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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-15-2019 09:18 PM)king bast Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 12:18 AM)Kungfu Wrote:  
(08-13-2019 10:20 PM)king bast Wrote:  Are any of those with the canned anti-marriage answers actually married themselves? Ive been married for almost 10 years, and the answer to the question "are you happy" would not have been the same throughout that time, but right now the answer is absolutely yes.

In this political and spiritual climate, I cant imagine what would keep me going if not my family. Family has given men purpose from time immemorial, so if youre one of the "never getting married, never having kids" crowd, good luck to you all finding something else, but I'd advise you not to try to reinvent the wheel. Your nihilistic, defeatist attitudes will make your unhappiness a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I upvoted your comment cause it makes sense, but at the same time I can't accept it.

I have seen how women act around super alphas and there's no going back. Women of all ages, races, and socioeconomic backgrounds. All willing to dump their husbands or boyfriends in the trash in a heartbeat.

There's nothing more eye opening.

That seems weak as fuck. Your attitude is that bullies can't steal your lunch money if you don't have any, so you spend your whole life going hungry.
There are no "super alphas" lurking in the shadows, waiting to steal my wife, and if I thought there was, I'd back myself to take care of it. Have some belief, don't just give in to a fear of your own making.

I've seen it with my own eyes. "Super alpha" doesn't mean jet setting CEO billionaire.

Saw some young guy that was 5'9 at most and groomed by management from the beginning of his career to climb way up the corporate ladder, and with super speed.

And not because of any noticeable skills, but because of his supreme arrogance and irrationally high self confidence.

Got way more credit than he deserved, and all his mistakes were forgiven that others would get shit for. And every woman around him was gushing for his attention. "Stud", they called him. And he fucked everyone.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-15-2019 09:18 PM)king bast Wrote:  That seems weak as fuck. Your attitude is that bullies can't steal your lunch money if you don't have any, so you spend your whole life going hungry.

My attitude is that bullies won't steal my lunch money if I don't appear to have it.
I can eat when they're not around.

Hide your assets where she can't find them, and never boast about how much you have saved.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-13-2019 10:09 PM)Kungfu Wrote:  Quick math...

Women hate beta providers.

Women can only marry beta providers.

Therefore they hate their husbands and both live a miserable marriage.

So yes to the question.

This is exactly right. A man would be a fool to sign a marriage contract in modern society, and this is obvious to women on an instinctive level. They know they own the man like a slave once they are married, and have legal ownership of his assets and future income, even if they leave him. They know his children aren't his, even if he was the "sperm donor".

Therefore, they feel contempt for any fool that would agree to such a horrible deal, and obviously lose their attraction and affection for the sucker that married them. The sight of such a loser incites the wife to fleece him as he deserves.

Sometimes, if a woman has a good upbringing, it takes longer for society to instill this thinking into her, but it happens eventually.

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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-13-2019 10:20 PM)king bast Wrote:  Are any of those with the canned anti-marriage answers actually married themselves? Ive been married for almost 10 years, and the answer to the question "are you happy" would not have been the same throughout that time, but right now the answer is absolutely yes.

In this political and spiritual climate, I cant imagine what would keep me going if not my family. Family has given men purpose from time immemorial, so if youre one of the "never getting married, never having kids" crowd, good luck to you all finding something else, but I'd advise you not to try to reinvent the wheel. Your nihilistic, defeatist attitudes will make your unhappiness a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The OP specifically asked about our thoughts on getting legally married. Not having a family (partner and/or children).

That is fantastic that you've had an overall positive experience thus far (so far, so good).Banana

The wheel has ALREADY been reinvented. Marriage is a man made technology that at one time served a purpose. That purpose is now largely kaput. If its working so well then why do so many people get divorced every year??

Specifically designated gender roles don't typically hold up in most relationships and a woman can up and leave you at any time and take your kids and most of your stuff for any reason or simply no reason at all ... Or do a complete personality 180, and nag/cajole you into an early grave.

Most married guys I come across have literally had the life sucked completely out of them and display little desire to gone on ... Showing far more anger, bitterness and a defeatist attitude then that of any single guy I have ever met.

Specifically, guys in my family have spent literally decades correcting and cleaning up the disgusting mess their wives caused through acting out on a few emotional whims and tantrums ... And for the marriages that have "lasted" (mostly just on paper), most of the men are constantly stressed to the brim and on the edge of despair.

I've always found it ironic that the "man up", "do the right thing", "this is what the Bible says is so" crowd is suddenly silent and no where to be found to lend a helping hand or provide any support whatsoever when a man is being financially and emotionally demolished by his harpy wife, yet so quick to tell other guys how to spend their time and money.
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(08-15-2019 05:36 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  There is lots of anti-marriage propaganda in the media - don't believe it. The happiness ratio especially of women has been going down strongly. We men do better without marriage than women, but that's about the full extent of it.

Whats your source?

Come to California and spend five minutes consulting with any reputable family law attorney that primarily represents men and you would change your mind completely.
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(08-16-2019 06:31 PM)MyFabolousLife Wrote:  I've always found it ironic that the "man up", "do the right thing", "this is what the Bible says is so" crowd is suddenly silent and no where to be found to lend a helping hand or provide any support whatsoever when a man is being financially and emotionally demolished by his harpy wife, yet so quick to tell other guys how to spend their time and money.

I was asset stripped by the 19yo Christian virgin, that everyone on here wants to marry, after 30 years of marriage and 4 children. Her Christian parents certainly didn't give me any support when she decided to try banging other guys (in her 50s), and neither did God. Never saw the kids again (10 years now), God didn't stop her teaching them to hate me. So much for Christian love, I've only been shown his hate.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
I won't preach to you in a tough situation, but there are answers. John, are you yourself a christian man?

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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-16-2019 06:43 PM)MyFabolousLife Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 05:36 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  There is lots of anti-marriage propaganda in the media - don't believe it. The happiness ratio especially of women has been going down strongly. We men do better without marriage than women, but that's about the full extent of it.

Whats your source?

Come to California and spend five minutes consulting with any reputable family law attorney that primarily represents men and you would change your mind completely.

Those are localized problems - most of it due to the insane divorce laws. Take a different country - Sweden. Sweden has sane divorce laws and it's almost impossible for women to take a guy to the cleaners. Even if the divorce rate is high, the couples have an amicable relationship afterwards - most remarry later.

And yes - the happiness ratio for women was over 80% in the 1950s and 60s.

That said - I would not marry in the US unless I were a powerful billionaire and had a legal team working on the prenup.

I agree on that, but for many countries it's not the same.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-16-2019 07:09 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 06:31 PM)MyFabolousLife Wrote:  I've always found it ironic that the "man up", "do the right thing", "this is what the Bible says is so" crowd is suddenly silent and no where to be found to lend a helping hand or provide any support whatsoever when a man is being financially and emotionally demolished by his harpy wife, yet so quick to tell other guys how to spend their time and money.

I was asset stripped by the 19yo Christian virgin, that everyone on here wants to marry, after 30 years of marriage and 4 children. Her Christian parents certainly didn't give me any support when she decided to try banging other guys (in her 50s), and neither did God. Never saw the kids again (10 years now), God didn't stop her teaching them to hate me. So much for Christian love, I've only been shown his hate.

I know you are going to hate me for this, but the marriage fully served its purpose. Didn't it?

You got asset stripped when the first child arrived. The marriage got consummated and that is what it means. Most husbands don't realize this and live for decades in the delusion that they actually still own something. Being Christian means giving up worldly things.

My guess is that you married young and had no idea of the consequences of your decisions. Young guys marry for a bunch of reasons: hope of exclusive access to sex, a trophy to show around, some kind of picket fences dream of getting old together.

But the purpose of marriage is creating and raising children.

Kid Twist's question is justified as well. When a Christian marries a Non-Christian, their faith doesn't grow together. Instead the Christian part of the marriage loses it. And guess what: Starts behaving like it. This is why the Bible bans such marriages in 2 Corinthians 6:14.
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(08-16-2019 09:31 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I won't preach to you in a tough situation, but there are answers. John, are you yourself a christian man?

Not any more.
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(08-17-2019 04:02 AM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:31 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I won't preach to you in a tough situation, but there are answers. John, are you yourself a christian man?

Not any more.

Honest question: Did your life improve by it?
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-17-2019 04:12 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 04:02 AM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:31 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I won't preach to you in a tough situation, but there are answers. John, are you yourself a christian man?

Not any more.

Honest question: Did your life improve by it?

My life has improved immeasurably since I walked away from the red pill 'Christian virgin' fantasy. In the past 10 years, I've married an Asian girl half my age, we've had a child, and I've taken in her daughter. She's a (twisted*) Buddhist, I'm not required to participate. And she isn't entitled to anything I own if it all goes wrong, the 3rd world doesn't give guys assets away to women they've slept with.

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She worships Buddha in the incarnation of Kali, chanting, spells, possession and occasional blood sacrifices, more like Voodoo IMHO.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-17-2019 02:15 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 07:09 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 06:31 PM)MyFabolousLife Wrote:  I've always found it ironic that the "man up", "do the right thing", "this is what the Bible says is so" crowd is suddenly silent and no where to be found to lend a helping hand or provide any support whatsoever when a man is being financially and emotionally demolished by his harpy wife, yet so quick to tell other guys how to spend their time and money.

I was asset stripped by the 19yo Christian virgin, that everyone on here wants to marry, after 30 years of marriage and 4 children. Her Christian parents certainly didn't give me any support when she decided to try banging other guys (in her 50s), and neither did God. Never saw the kids again (10 years now), God didn't stop her teaching them to hate me. So much for Christian love, I've only been shown his hate.

I know you are going to hate me for this, but the marriage fully served its purpose. Didn't it?

You got asset stripped when the first child arrived. The marriage got consummated and that is what it means. Most husbands don't realize this and live for decades in the delusion that they actually still own something. Being Christian means giving up worldly things.

My guess is that you married young and had no idea of the consequences of your decisions. Young guys marry for a bunch of reasons: hope of exclusive access to sex, a trophy to show around, some kind of picket fences dream of getting old together.

But the purpose of marriage is creating and raising children.

Kid Twist's question is justified as well. When a Christian marries a Non-Christian, their faith doesn't grow together. Instead the Christian part of the marriage loses it. And guess what: Starts behaving like it. This is why the Bible bans such marriages in 2 Corinthians 6:14.

Good God you are as beta as they come. And your reasoning is suppose to convince men to marry? Jesus.
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(08-17-2019 08:45 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  Good God you are as beta as they come. And your reasoning is suppose to convince men to marry? Jesus.

We progressed so far in civilization that the most life-threatening thing a man can encounter in the West is civil marriage. Wink

It's not about "convincing". It's not about tricking young inexperienced men with wrong promises into marriage. I'm all in for being openly honest about the huge risks, because that makes husbands a more valuable resource again instead of the current abundance.

One thing not to do is to blame the effects of divorce on women. Women have no power. It's the state stripping you from your assets to redistribute it to women. But it's doing so anyway all the time. It just becomes more obvious and "personal" with a divorce.

But the main fact to accept is that one cannot predict the future. Third world country not stripping assets from "rich" Westerners might suddenly decide to do so.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
When it really comes down to it, most people are nominal believers, at best, in anything they spew. I'm not trying to go "No true Scotsman" fallacy with this, I'm just stating the real world examples that all of us know. This is why "identity" and thus self-ID, is bullshit: look at someone's actions.

If someone is devoted, honest and at least tries to be genuine to his faith, then on one level I consider it a win. The problem is that one hold may hold this consistency with asinine religions, thought to be certain most are pagan voodoo stuff at root. But back to what the issue at hand is, and as wwtl points out, how could you expect things to go right in a subverted culture, and particularly if you aren't both the same religion supporting one another as a function of the way that you believe life should be?

With good or decent culture, people didn't realize how they fell into it by pure chance. At this point, it's beyond a bad casino bet to expect good outcomes without such a strategy. I don't think this is very controversial, given the data and looking around at this society.

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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
American, been married 20 years to a great Christian woman. You never know for sure since you aren't in their home, but most Christians I know seem happy in their marriages. Don't believe the MGTOW stuff that all women are slags. They're all sinners, but they aren't all slags.

There are tradeoffs in that you can't chase after the latest cutie, but that's emptiness anyway, just as you've found. Lewis: “I believe, to be sure, that any man who reaches Heaven will find that what he abandoned (even in plucking out his right eye) was precisely nothing: that the kernel of what he was really seeking even in his most depraved wishes will be there, beyond expectation, waiting for him in 'the High Countries.'"
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-17-2019 09:17 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:45 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  Good God you are as beta as they come. And your reasoning is suppose to convince men to marry? Jesus.

We progressed so far in civilization that the most life-threatening thing a man can encounter in the West is civil marriage. Wink

It's not about "convincing". It's not about tricking young inexperienced men with wrong promises into marriage. I'm all in for being openly honest about the huge risks, because that makes husbands a more valuable resource again instead of the current abundance.

One thing not to do is to blame the effects of divorce on women. Women have no power. It's the state stripping you from your assets to redistribute it to women. But it's doing so anyway all the time. It just becomes more obvious and "personal" with a divorce.

But the main fact to accept is that one cannot predict the future. Third world country not stripping assets from "rich" Westerners might suddenly decide to do so.

Bullshit, tell that to the good men thrown in jail and treated like criminals because they can't pay their support to the wife, or the men that off themselves when their wife takes the kids, takes everything and leaves them with literally nothing. Yes, it is actually life threatening for many men.

Don't deflect the responsibility of women all to the state, that's a complete cop out. The state gives the women the power to strip men bare of their livelihood but it's still up to the woman whether or not she decides to pull the trigger and invoke the powers of the state.

I'm not satisfied with MGTOW answers but in this climate tradcons really do a shitty job of selling marriage to men with a straight face. Some of these answers almost sound like they come out of PragerU
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
I just think of that Bill Burr joke;

"If they told you 50% of the parachutes weren't going to open, I'd say 'Fuck that, I'm not going!'"

And of the 50% that don't break, 40% won't open completely?

Pfff...

I was listening to a Jordan Peterson audiobook this week too, where there's a whole section on how not to end up like 'two cats in a barrel'.

A horrible, horrible reality that too many guys live with, I'd bet.

'Are any couples happily married?'

People's expectations are different now. I'd say it used to be that most were, because it was expected to become a balanced partnership, the woman was expected to support her man, no-one got divorced just because romance had died... but now, it's such a shit deal for a guy.

She can take off with half your assets and your kids at any time for no reason? She can deny you everything for decades and then take off 'cos its easier? Why would a woman suffer ANY irritation and NOT just do that.

Especially later in life. For a girl 30+, there's no risk just to sign up with a guy, knowing either way you've won.

Makes no sense to me.

Maybe I'm wrong though.
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(08-18-2019 12:39 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 09:17 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:45 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  Good God you are as beta as they come. And your reasoning is suppose to convince men to marry? Jesus.

We progressed so far in civilization that the most life-threatening thing a man can encounter in the West is civil marriage. Wink

It's not about "convincing". It's not about tricking young inexperienced men with wrong promises into marriage. I'm all in for being openly honest about the huge risks, because that makes husbands a more valuable resource again instead of the current abundance.

One thing not to do is to blame the effects of divorce on women. Women have no power. It's the state stripping you from your assets to redistribute it to women. But it's doing so anyway all the time. It just becomes more obvious and "personal" with a divorce.

But the main fact to accept is that one cannot predict the future. Third world country not stripping assets from "rich" Westerners might suddenly decide to do so.

Bullshit, tell that to the good men thrown in jail and treated like criminals because they can't pay their support to the wife, or the men that off themselves when their wife takes the kids, takes everything and leaves them with literally nothing. Yes, it is actually life threatening for many men.

Don't deflect the responsibility of women all to the state, that's a complete cop out. The state gives the women the power to strip men bare of their livelihood but it's still up to the woman whether or not she decides to pull the trigger and invoke the powers of the state.

I'm not satisfied with MGTOW answers but in this climate tradcons really do a shitty job of selling marriage to men with a straight face. Some of these answers almost sound like they come out of PragerU

The typical MGTOW proposes building up wealth and then keep it by not marrying and not reproducing, while "having fun" with that nihilistic-hedonistic outlook. An outlook which - at my mid 30s - spiritually started to look like being a divorced man without having had a marriage beforehand.

Fact is: You lose your pre-martial wealth by marrying (not by divorce). That needs to be communicated clearly. And the correct answer to that assessment is that building up pre-martial assets has become entirely pointless. Which is the reason why I chose not to do so. The Black Pill turned me into a frugal lifestyle, because I realized without a LTR I don't need to participate in the rat race at all. Only produce the minimum to survive, then spend most of my time with spiritual search (which lead to Christ).

So, that means I'm not a really good deal for a gold digger now without a house, a car and a boat to put a wife in it. But it also means that I don't have to give a fuck about protecting my assets from divorce, because all my assets are a rental apartment, a car sharing ride and a little pile of cash. A nightmare to consumerism.

For me the work supporting a family starts with the marriage being consummated and the first child being born. Not beforehand.
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(08-18-2019 08:06 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 12:39 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 09:17 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:45 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  Good God you are as beta as they come. And your reasoning is suppose to convince men to marry? Jesus.

We progressed so far in civilization that the most life-threatening thing a man can encounter in the West is civil marriage. Wink

It's not about "convincing". It's not about tricking young inexperienced men with wrong promises into marriage. I'm all in for being openly honest about the huge risks, because that makes husbands a more valuable resource again instead of the current abundance.

One thing not to do is to blame the effects of divorce on women. Women have no power. It's the state stripping you from your assets to redistribute it to women. But it's doing so anyway all the time. It just becomes more obvious and "personal" with a divorce.

But the main fact to accept is that one cannot predict the future. Third world country not stripping assets from "rich" Westerners might suddenly decide to do so.

Bullshit, tell that to the good men thrown in jail and treated like criminals because they can't pay their support to the wife, or the men that off themselves when their wife takes the kids, takes everything and leaves them with literally nothing. Yes, it is actually life threatening for many men.

Don't deflect the responsibility of women all to the state, that's a complete cop out. The state gives the women the power to strip men bare of their livelihood but it's still up to the woman whether or not she decides to pull the trigger and invoke the powers of the state.

I'm not satisfied with MGTOW answers but in this climate tradcons really do a shitty job of selling marriage to men with a straight face. Some of these answers almost sound like they come out of PragerU

The typical MGTOW proposes building up wealth and then keep it by not marrying and not reproducing, while "having fun" with that nihilistic-hedonistic outlook. An outlook which - at my mid 30s - spiritually started to look like being a divorced man without having had a marriage beforehand.

Fact is: You lose your pre-martial wealth by marrying (not by divorce). That needs to be communicated clearly. And the correct answer to that assessment is that building up pre-martial assets has become entirely pointless. Which is the reason why I chose not to do so. The Black Pill turned me into a frugal lifestyle, because I realized without a LTR I don't need to participate in the rat race at all. Only produce the minimum to survive, then spend most of my time with spiritual search (which lead to Christ).

So, that means I'm not a really good deal for a gold digger now without a house, a car and a boat to put a wife in it. But it also means that I don't have to give a fuck about protecting my assets from divorce, because all my assets are a rental apartment, a car sharing ride and a little pile of cash. A nightmare to consumerism.

For me the work supporting a family starts with the marriage being consummated and the first child being born. Not beforehand.

So you are essentially advocating a missionary type of lifestyle. I've encountered couples and kids of those people and they seem happy on the whole. This might be a strategy to pursue for some, but it might make for difficult living conditions which few women would sign up for, not to mention many men.

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08-18-2019 05:58 PM
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
(08-18-2019 05:58 PM)bacon Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 08:06 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
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(08-17-2019 09:17 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:45 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  Good God you are as beta as they come. And your reasoning is suppose to convince men to marry? Jesus.

We progressed so far in civilization that the most life-threatening thing a man can encounter in the West is civil marriage. Wink

It's not about "convincing". It's not about tricking young inexperienced men with wrong promises into marriage. I'm all in for being openly honest about the huge risks, because that makes husbands a more valuable resource again instead of the current abundance.

One thing not to do is to blame the effects of divorce on women. Women have no power. It's the state stripping you from your assets to redistribute it to women. But it's doing so anyway all the time. It just becomes more obvious and "personal" with a divorce.

But the main fact to accept is that one cannot predict the future. Third world country not stripping assets from "rich" Westerners might suddenly decide to do so.

Bullshit, tell that to the good men thrown in jail and treated like criminals because they can't pay their support to the wife, or the men that off themselves when their wife takes the kids, takes everything and leaves them with literally nothing. Yes, it is actually life threatening for many men.

Don't deflect the responsibility of women all to the state, that's a complete cop out. The state gives the women the power to strip men bare of their livelihood but it's still up to the woman whether or not she decides to pull the trigger and invoke the powers of the state.

I'm not satisfied with MGTOW answers but in this climate tradcons really do a shitty job of selling marriage to men with a straight face. Some of these answers almost sound like they come out of PragerU

The typical MGTOW proposes building up wealth and then keep it by not marrying and not reproducing, while "having fun" with that nihilistic-hedonistic outlook. An outlook which - at my mid 30s - spiritually started to look like being a divorced man without having had a marriage beforehand.

Fact is: You lose your pre-martial wealth by marrying (not by divorce). That needs to be communicated clearly. And the correct answer to that assessment is that building up pre-martial assets has become entirely pointless. Which is the reason why I chose not to do so. The Black Pill turned me into a frugal lifestyle, because I realized without a LTR I don't need to participate in the rat race at all. Only produce the minimum to survive, then spend most of my time with spiritual search (which lead to Christ).

So, that means I'm not a really good deal for a gold digger now without a house, a car and a boat to put a wife in it. But it also means that I don't have to give a fuck about protecting my assets from divorce, because all my assets are a rental apartment, a car sharing ride and a little pile of cash. A nightmare to consumerism.

For me the work supporting a family starts with the marriage being consummated and the first child being born. Not beforehand.

So you are essentially advocating a missionary type of lifestyle. I've encountered couples and kids of those people and they seem happy on the whole. This might be a strategy to pursue for some, but it might make for difficult living conditions which few women would sign up for, not to mention many men.

Of course, that separates the wheat from the chaff. Which is kind of the point. There are only a few women and men actually fit for marriage.

I'm not proposing going as far as I did for everyone, but the typical beta provider tries the opposite extreme: Working his ass off to produce as much pre-martial wealth as possible to look like a good provider to a woman finished with the carousel. And then complains when it's all stripped from him.

There is nothing wrong with working your ass off once you have large family to support. But as a bachelor IMHO it makes no sense. And it can only happen, because in the West marriage gets delayed over a decade from when it's supposed to happen. While both young men and women are encouraged stay single with casual sex, so they can have a "career" to support that doomed lifestyle.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
What we actually need is a new, standardized, non-state sanctioned, 'marriage' contract for red-pilled men.

Such a contract would replace state marriage, so it is a form of private marriage, just like many muslims do in the UK, where they do the religious ceremony but the state registration may happen later (or not at all).

This contract would set out the terms of the 'marriage' and what is expected from both sides (raising children, in case you there is any confusion).

Basically, western man is too soft, and not willing to fight enough the system, this is a war and men need to be putting in more effort to make their voices heard and their views represented. Men need to fight each step of the way. Too many men think life is just about making money and then 'being set'.

The best thing any man can do right now is undermine the system as much as possible.

If your a high value, red-pilled man, then prove it. Get your girl to sign that new marriage contract.

I see a lot of men in the community (and outside) bragging about their alphaness and how many notches they got. I see few men bragging about that marriage contract they got their wife to sign that basically has the marriage on our, red-pilled terms.

Men should opt-out of state marriage and only take part in 'private' marriage contracts.
08-19-2019 05:09 AM
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^ Absolutely love the idea... but even a laymen like me can see the "she agreed to this contract under duress & emotional blackmail excuse". I will get married one day so I'm not a MGTOW... but a lot if their talking points are Bang On! If a man gets divorced... there's no way to escape a ugly split if the ex want it!
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
I would like to see a situation where male contraceptives are reliable, and nearly all men are aware of red pill truths about women's behavior and marriage risks.

In this environment, I'd like to see a new marriage contract that gives the man rights to custody of his children, and strong protections against divorce. In turn, the wife would be protected if he was the one who filed for divorce without just cause.

Now, with male contraceptives and a red pill understanding, men would refuse to impregnate any woman without having this new contract in place. If a woman wasn't willing to agree to the new terms, she could just go without bearing any children, because no man would willingly go off the male contraceptives with her in the absence of the contract.

This is my dream future, although I am too old to see it happen and reap the benefits.

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