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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
I’ve never heard of premarital assets being stripped or shared. Can you elaborate where you heard this?

The typical in California is to split post marital assets 50/50 and pay alimony for half the marriage length if the marriage is under 10 years. If the marriage is over 10 years then the length is the judges descretion. This is standard.

As to the thread title, there are plenty of happily married people. Marry for character not looks. Make sure you fully vet them. It’s not rocket surgery.
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(08-19-2019 07:30 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  I would like to see a situation where male contraceptives are reliable, and nearly all men are aware of red pill truths about women's behavior and marriage risks.

In this environment, I'd like to see a new marriage contract that gives the man rights to custody of his children, and strong protections against divorce. In turn, the wife would be protected if he was the one who filed for divorce without just cause.

Now, with male contraceptives and a red pill understanding, men would refuse to impregnate any woman without having this new contract in place. If a woman wasn't willing to agree to the new terms, she could just go without bearing any children, because no man would willingly go off the male contraceptives with her in the absence of the contract.

There already is a perfect "male contraceptive": It's called abstinence.

Male self control is the key to not get fucked over. Before or within marriage.

Beta men are controlled with sex.
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RE: Are most married couples unhappy?
Someone here doubted the happiness studies they had over the decades:

Quote:By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women's happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women's declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging -- one with higher subjective well-being for men.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

There were not long ago great graphs on google going back to the 1950s, but Google seems to have scrubbed the data, but even in the 1970s it was better.





Bit this is how it went down - relentless programming to tell women that they missed out on something for not getting a "career", for being kept in marriage hell, for not having the hotter more successful husband!

It was all a ruse just as they knew exactly how no-fault divorce would destroy marriage giving women way too much power - this all coincided with the relentless propaganda, with the call to jump on the sex carousel until the end 20s.

Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Obviously now they have destroyed the institution so that Red Pilled men cannot really get married in many Western countries, but this frankly is just a by-product. The bigger destruction happend in the female mentality while the legal issue is just the tinder to the bonfire.

Go and watch that takedown of the movie Stepford Wives - the title is fitting.

It's really telling that the hostile elite says: "Trust us, you are unhappy! You will be much more happy as a strong independent woman hopping on the carousel until your 30s and then divorcing your husband in your late 30s!" They mainly had to convince the women while giving them also the legal power to blow up marriages and cripple husbands. The men went along initially thinking that free love would men more sex for them while in reality only the 10-20% got far more sex with women who they would have had married before in their prime in the 1960s. Later it was too late to stop the genie as more and more men got gang-raped and women suddenly were dissatisfied with everything. The elite also got their will and could finally lower the real wage costs as women pushed into the labor force and undercut male labor before mass migration could do it stronger in the coming decades.

There is nothing wrong with the original marriage institution - however this kind of marriage is akin to shitty gay marriage which is more like room-mates sharing rent and fucking constantly on the side.
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(08-21-2019 05:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Someone here doubted the happiness studies they had over the decades:

Quote:By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women's happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women's declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging -- one with higher subjective well-being for men.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

There were not long ago great graphs on google going back to the 1950s, but Google seems to have scrubbed the data, but even in the 1970s it was better.





Bit this is how it went down - relentless programming to tell women that they missed out on something for not getting a "career", for being kept in marriage hell, for not having the hotter more successful husband!

It was all a ruse just as they knew exactly how no-fault divorce would destroy marriage giving women way too much power - this all coincided with the relentless propaganda, with the call to jump on the sex carousel until the end 20s.

Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Obviously now they have destroyed the institution so that Red Pilled men cannot really get married in many Western countries, but this frankly is just a by-product. The bigger destruction happend in the female mentality while the legal issue is just the tinder to the bonfire.

Go and watch that takedown of the movie Stepford Wives - the title is fitting.

It's really telling that the hostile elite says: "Trust us, you are unhappy! You will be much more happy as a strong independent woman hopping on the carousel until your 30s and then divorcing your husband in your late 30s!" They mainly had to convince the women while giving them also the legal power to blow up marriages and cripple husbands. The men went along initially thinking that free love would men more sex for them while in reality only the 10-20% got far more sex with women who they would have had married before in their prime in the 1960s. Later it was too late to stop the genie as more and more men got gang-raped and women suddenly were dissatisfied with everything. The elite also got their will and could finally lower the real wage costs as women pushed into the labor force and undercut male labor before mass migration could do it stronger in the coming decades.

There is nothing wrong with the original marriage institution - however this kind of marriage is akin to shitty gay marriage which is more like room-mates sharing rent and fucking constantly on the side.
A while back I posted about our wild parties in the 1970's which was the decade when things really began to cut loose, not the 60's. Before the so called sexual revolution began in earnest a kind of reverse 80/20 rule was in effect. For generations the worst thing that could happen to a "good girl" was to lose her reputation. You had to be going steady if not engaged (still lots of young marriages back then) to have a chance. Even then sex was doled out in slow steady increments, often stopping short of going "all the way." The 20% or so of young women who would "put out" were still for the most part not wildly indiscriminate. The 70's began to chip away at that but even then no one was accumulating triple digit notch counts and eventually almost everyone got married and at least tried to settle down. I actually think the 80's was in some ways a bit more conservative than the 70's, the AIDS scare having more than a little to do with that. In the 90's I believe is when things really started going crazy. Despite it all many Boomers had Gen X and even Millennial kids who followed a more or less traditional path to marriage. I know a lot of these kids that are now adults making their way in modern day America. As for your pro traditional view point I am in now way criticizing or disagreeing. Yes today's modern women is much less happy than their mothers and grandmothers were.
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(08-21-2019 05:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.
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(08-21-2019 02:55 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 05:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.

Yeah - most of it was done silently with lies and stealth. The repercussions of feminism and no-fault divorce was not clear just as the immigration change of 1965 was not clear - plus they lied through their teeth.

Still - the conditioning via media and entertainment shaped and changed Boomer behavior tremendously even if they could not manifest most of the crap until the next generation came into being. The full destruction was only apparent among the Millennials. And even they are hardly the end-stage.

You are right however - this blaming on the boomers for everything is ridiculous. Generation X or the Millennials wouldn't have behaved any differently if they were born then instead of the Boomers.
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(08-21-2019 03:05 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 02:55 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 05:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.

Yeah - most of it was done silently with lies and stealth. The repercussions of feminism and no-fault divorce was not clear just as the immigration change of 1965 was not clear - plus they lied through their teeth.

Still - the conditioning via media and entertainment shaped and changed Boomer behavior tremendously even if they could not manifest most of the crap until the next generation came into being. The full destruction was only apparent among the Millennials. And even they are hardly the end-stage.

You are right however - this blaming on the boomers for everything is ridiculous. Generation X or the Millennials wouldn't have behaved any differently if they were born then instead of the Boomers.

I was married throughout the whole process.
In the 1990s my wife became entitled to half my pension and my inherited house on divorce.
In 2003 I could suddenly 'rape' my wife.

None of it was done with my consent, or even the chance for me to opt out of the marriage.
In 2009 she divorced me taking everything she could and claiming I had been raping her for 20 years. (The judge had to point out she could only claim rape for 6 years)
50% of women applying for divorce now claim rape, It gets the husband excluded from the family home, and 100% child custody immediately.

At no point in time was I given any choices.
The only choice a man has, is not to get married.
Did it matter that I married the mythical 19 year old Christian Virgin from a good Christian family? not one bit!
Don't do it guys, marriage in the western world is a lose lose contract for men.
At least you millennials have been given the information, if you still decide to get married, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

In the immortal words of WOPR, "The only way to win this game is not to play"
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Yeah - they changed the game in the end. Rollo Tomassi despite being happily married recommends no marriage for young men in our current times and especially in the US. Maybe if you are high-networth you can afford the best prenups and lawyers so that even a rape allegation does not fly.

Even in terms of Game awareness you have to realize that marriage just gives women more mental power as well and the women certainly don't need that anymore in our times.
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Though obviously there are plenty of exceptions.

PewDiPie married a virgin/near-virgin girl that he knew since she was 18, he is Red Pilled to some degree and has even some Game.

Plus a divorce wouldn't hurt him since he is worth tens of millions - going into hundreds of millions in the future.

On top of it - he does not marry in the insane US legal climate, my guess is that it's Sweden which have quite amicable divorce proceedings.

There are also other caveats - you absolutely have to make sure to get a woman that is immunized against the constant relentless propaganda, essentially also accepting the Red Pill with you. Otherwise due to the relentless programming of feminism and empowerment, she is going to change over time. Now obviously no one knew much about it in the 1950s except for a few dozen people who found about the details in documents like the Reece Congressional Committee, but this still worked on the people.

In a way you need to get a woman who is detached from the mainstream programming and even entertainment. PewDiPie's wife fits that bill to a great degree - you can find other such women who don't give a rat's ass about the mainstream, think they are all liers as well and who hate most modern entertainment. However if you don't do that, then you will rue the day - the media will reprogram your little darling over time. Plus her friends will do the rest as they are getting the same job done on them.
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(08-12-2019 11:13 PM)Zenta Wrote:  As I get more and more burned out from each random lay or from attempting to constantly keep plates spinning I keep turning back to serious monogamous relationships. My only real hiccup here is that I find that hard to fit into my plans of wanting to travel much more often in the near future(within the next couple of years) and I'm not sure if I want kids or not(I think life may be more fulfilling with them), but thats a whole separate discussion.

Oh and the fact that I feel like almost every married couple I know is either miserable or two closer friends I know that are married to women from SEA and appear to be happy are also quite blue pilled and live a more "yes dear" life and are eventually going to end up bring their families over. Sometimes I do envy their ignorance but its also sad at the same time. However I honestly expect their relationships to last as the women seem caring and appreciative towards them.

Any other couple I know have nothing but constant problems or are quite unfaithful. I feel like I watch more and more relationships unfold than come out successful these days. Red pill knowledge tells me to never get married because it is a losing game and that I don't disagree with, but its also unrealistic if you're trying to start a family with a women overseas unless you move to her place, and even then marriage there might be more convenient for citizenship.

I'm on the fence about marry in the US, it seems to be a zero sum game here. Not even for the financial risk but just the simple fact that everyone seems damn miserable. Curious to hear others opinions though and if my sample I'm looking at is just a miserable bunch.

From someone who is divorced...

I think the man is to blame for the misery 3/4 of the time. If you're able to see ahead into the future and keep things spicy, you can have a happy marriage.

Without kids, marriage is very pointless and becomes more empty and lonely over time. My old boss just let me know his wife divorced him at 55. They were growing apart, and the big hanging chad was he knocked up some chick overseas and has a 4 year old kid. He told me the main reason they grew apart was a lack of children in their 50s. Makes sense... He seems happier divorced with a bastard kid overseas than he was before lol. I was smart and got out of this situation before I turned 30.

With kids, the main issue is the numale relationship to parenting that is a disease amongst the millennials. It's very unattractive for a woman to see a man acting like a mother. These behaviors: kissing/hugging kids excessively, pushing a baby stroller, a man wearing an Indian bupta pouch with a kid in it, a man being overly involved in things like changing poopy diapers and PTA meetings, ect. I see it all the time at work, my male coworkers with kids have fear if they don't return home from work before their wives do, the kids will be permanently damaged - or the wife will be mad. Either or both. I always ask these guys when they can't hang out after work because of kids, "where's your wife?".

If you want a good example of a man who raised his kids appropriately, Don Draper from Mad Men. He wasn't around often, he was working and philandering. But when he was, it counted a lot. The kids respected him. What Don Draper didn't do right though was keep his marriage spicy. He neglected it too much. It's okay for a man to neglect his kids, but it's not okay for a man to neglect his wife...

Modern men neglect their wives and care for their kids (out of fear of their wives). It's sad. I will never have that relationship, I'd rather be alone forever.

So when choosing a wife, you've gotta find one comfortable for taking the lead in parenting, with you as the assertive hell raising backup. Your job is to provide and defend, hers is to raise the kids. I swear, even modern couples I know that have this arrangement (including boomers) are way happier.

Honestly, no chick is "immune from propaganda" and you can't control what they think, but the likelihood you turn some kind of Tinder or bar hoe into a good mother is pretty slim. Most of you guys, if you want this, should probably go to church.
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(08-24-2019 12:06 AM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 03:05 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 02:55 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 05:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Babyboomer men were just convinced with the stupid free love mantra while in reality they had way more power and satisfaction in the monogamous marriage bond as well.

Boomer here .........
Nobody convinced me of anything, I complied with the laws, or I went to jail.
No free love or sex parties either.

Yeah - most of it was done silently with lies and stealth. The repercussions of feminism and no-fault divorce was not clear just as the immigration change of 1965 was not clear - plus they lied through their teeth.

Still - the conditioning via media and entertainment shaped and changed Boomer behavior tremendously even if they could not manifest most of the crap until the next generation came into being. The full destruction was only apparent among the Millennials. And even they are hardly the end-stage.

You are right however - this blaming on the boomers for everything is ridiculous. Generation X or the Millennials wouldn't have behaved any differently if they were born then instead of the Boomers.

I was married throughout the whole process.
In the 1990s my wife became entitled to half my pension and my inherited house on divorce.
In 2003 I could suddenly 'rape' my wife.

None of it was done with my consent, or even the chance for me to opt out of the marriage.
In 2009 she divorced me taking everything she could and claiming I had been raping her for 20 years. (The judge had to point out she could only claim rape for 6 years)
50% of women applying for divorce now claim rape, It gets the husband excluded from the family home, and 100% child custody immediately.

At no point in time was I given any choices.
The only choice a man has, is not to get married.
Did it matter that I married the mythical 19 year old Christian Virgin from a good Christian family? not one bit!
Don't do it guys, marriage in the western world is a lose lose contract for men.
At least you millennials have been given the information, if you still decide to get married, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

In the immortal words of WOPR, "The only way to win this game is not to play"

Rape Your Wife????

   

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(08-25-2019 12:10 AM)FullThrottleTX Wrote:  Honestly, no chick is "immune from propaganda" and you can't control what they think, but the likelihood you turn some kind of Tinder or bar hoe into a good mother is pretty slim. Most of you guys, if you want this, should probably go to church.

Immunity from propaganda comes by you being fully updated on all the globalist scams and talking about that to your woman. It also comes with her accepting and following your lead on those topics. It's not that uncommon frankly, but it takes a thorough investment of yours into all areas.

Women usually follow the lead of their men. I know a champagne-socialist woman who became an outright champagne-communist because her new husband was a smart guy all being into it.

My own girl not only accepted all my non-mainstream political awareness even if she does not care about them too much as women simply don't. But it was funny when I told her about Game and Red Pill. She began to notice interactions of couples she met and witnessed even in the streets. She realized when a man behaved too Beta, she became aware of good and bad Game etc.

Obviously that cannot be done with all women and it probably depends on the strength and depth of your persuasions. Though the elite knows that married women do vote very similar to their husbands, so if it works on the Democrat-Republican spectrum, then it works also on a metric beyond that mainstream dichotomy.
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(08-25-2019 03:07 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Rape Your Wife????
Clown World is Firmly Here Folks!

In the UK
Before 2003 consent for sex was considered implicit in the marriage contract. If you were married, she had already given consent, no need to ask again, she can't call the police.
After 2003, the marriage contract was no longer considered consent, and she could claim rape if she felt like it, same as a girl you met the night before on a date.

What actually didn't you understand?
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