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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
(10-15-2019 03:33 PM)eradicator Wrote:  China also has a social credit system. If you jwalk you end up on the no fly list. If you wrote a tepid article in your youth about a problem in China you are blocked from getting a job other than shoveling shit and your children are blocked from university and cannot work anything but the most menial jobs.




That's effin' scary. It makes me wonder how long it would take something like that to come to the West. I'm guessing it would start first in the UK.
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(10-15-2019 09:55 PM)Salinger Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 03:33 PM)eradicator Wrote:  China also has a social credit system. If you jwalk you end up on the no fly list. If you wrote a tepid article in your youth about a problem in China you are blocked from getting a job other than shoveling shit and your children are blocked from university and cannot work anything but the most menial jobs.




That's effin' scary. It makes me wonder how long it would take something like that to come to the West. I'm guessing it would start first in the UK.

It's already here - they just aren't as open about its use.

What do you think the Utah Data Center is used for?
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It's just anti China propaganda by globalists as they always need to distinguish their end game from an allegedly even worse endgame.

All the social credit hysteria can be traced back to some mayor in some no name city who allegedly came up with a plan to implement it locally.

Yes there is machine learning, yes there are creditworthiness algorithms in order for people to get financial credit for shopping, yes there is mass surveillance just like in London but nothing worse than in western countries has been implemented so far.

Unlike in London you can walk around anywhere in a major chinese city without getting robbed, harassed or beaten up and the police will actually help you if you have issues, so I will take that any day over total surveillance by globohomo that is selectively used to crush straight white males and probably straight males from every race thereafter.

It's a low trust country with a notoriously difficult to manage population that always tried to get around rules and tried to see what is really enforced and what is just for show.
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(10-16-2019 12:29 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  It's just anti China propaganda by globalists as they always need to distinguish their end game from an allegedly even worse endgame.

All the social credit hysteria can be traced back to some mayor in some no name city who allegedly came up with a plan to implement it locally.

Yes there is machine learning, yes there are creditworthiness algorithms in order for people to get financial credit for shopping, yes there is mass surveillance just like in London but nothing worse than in western countries has been implemented so far.

Unlike in London you can walk around anywhere in a major chinese city without getting robbed, harassed or beaten up and the police will actually help you if you have issues, so I will take that any day over total surveillance by globohomo that is selectively used to crush straight white males and probably straight males from every race thereafter.

It's a low trust country with a notoriously difficult to manage population that always tried to get around rules and tried to see what is really enforced and what is just for show.

Yeah!

Fuck it! China's alright.. Smile

No such thing as social credit, that Chinese MMA wrestler never had his score lowered such that he cant get a flight or travel.
That chick in California doesn't have to walk to work every day in order to get her credit score up.
Never happened.

There was just one mayor.. somewhere...thats all.

If anything, its all just jews and lib-tards in the west. Two wrongs make a right in this one .. glorious .. CCP instance.

And those HK Chinese are So Fucking Stupid not to see that this is all just a CIA-Mossad Boss-Jew conspiracy with strings attached to their HK Chinese legs and arms.

Stupid Cantonese..
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(10-16-2019 12:47 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  No such thing as social credit, that Chinese MMA wrestler never had his score lowered such that he cant get a flight or travel.

If you end up pissing of high level people with the wrong remarks you might end up on a no fly list.

TSA and immigration harassment the US is pretty bad and people end up on some terrorist watchlist all the time because their names are similar or w/e and can't board flights and get interrogated for hours.

I have never been bothered by immigration in China for what it's worth.

Quote:That chick in California doesn't have to walk to work every day in order to get her credit score up.

If you are referring to US credit scores, I imagine it can be hard to rent anything non privately owned with bad credit and even then you better be super presentable and pay a lot upfront / multiple months in deposit.

In China nobody cares about your history as long as you have money for rent and two months deposit you are good to go.

Even if you are some broke peasant from the countryside without ID or anything you can get some dorm bed / room easily.

Meanwhile in the US even normal lower class working people end up living in their car permanently.
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If China is so awesome then why don't you posters who say so move there?

I heard Iran was pretty awesome also, why not Iran?





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10-16-2019 01:28 AM
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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
(10-16-2019 01:09 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 12:47 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  No such thing as social credit, that Chinese MMA wrestler never had his score lowered such that he cant get a flight or travel.

If you end up pissing of high level people with the wrong remarks you might end up on a no fly list.

TSA and immigration harassment the US is pretty bad and people end up on some terrorist watchlist all the time because their names are similar or w/e and can't board flights and get interrogated for hours.

I have never been bothered by immigration in China for what it's worth.

Quote:That chick in California doesn't have to walk to work every day in order to get her credit score up.

If you are referring to US credit scores, I imagine it can be hard to rent anything non privately owned with bad credit and even then you better be super presentable and pay a lot upfront / multiple months in deposit.

In China nobody cares about your history as long as you have money for rent and two months deposit you are good to go.

Why does whenever someone tries to defend China's flaws, they always have to point out, and then exaggerate, flaws in other countries? Let's be real, every country has pros and cons, and whataboutism doesn't strengthen your arguments.

The social credit system hasn't been fully implemented yet. Its still a work in progress and its getting implemented piecemeal. Remember that China implements everything in a piecemeal fashion, including the original Reform and Opening. Don't tell me cashlessness, Beijing requiring facial recognition to install internet starting in December, the whole system in Xinjiang aren't segments/trials-and-error of the social credit system.

And don't forget some of the strictest internet censorship in the world and in-your-face Communist slogans being displayed everywhere. The equivalent of this website in China wouldn't even be allowed to exist and accessible only via VPN if not the Dark Web.

Paying rent is simple in China because not everything goes through the system unlike the US. You can just have an agreement with the apartment owner and pay rent directly. And no, the US credit score is not that scary. You don't really need credit to rent an apartment: For many if not most apartment complexes, just a social security number and/or drivers license, and the ability to pay rent upfront suffices.

Chinese customs tend to be chill because there's really no point for them to be rude to foreigners at the border. Its not like most people get detained for hours at US customs. Tens of millions of foreigners arrive in the US every year, and tens of millions of Americans travel abroad every year, with no problems whatsoever.

Based on what your describing, China is the pinnacle of clean governance and rule of law while the US is some totalitarian prison with an arbitrary rule-by-law/terror system. Anyone who has been to both that this is not true. Yes the US is globohomo and a decaying civilization, but its definitely not a totalitarian prison with arbitrary law enforcement yet. And if China is so great, there's a reason why wealthy Chinese consider having a second home abroad as a status symbol. And if China is so great, why do most countries, even supposedly "allies" like Russia, still require its citizens to apply for visas when traveling?

Also, have you actually been to, let alone lived, in the US before?
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(10-16-2019 01:33 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  Also, have you actually been to, let alone lived, in the US before?

Been to yeah, lived there no, as straight white males are to be kept out by the powers that be in favor of 3rd world "diversity". (globalists are pros at managing racially and culturally divided environments while coming out on top)

Whenever I went I felt harassed by immigration, who were unfriendly and asked intrusive questions and got pissed at me for breaking their shitty fingerprint equipment.

Then I took a ghetto ass train full of ghetto ass people from Newark to Grand Central in Manhattan where hustleres asked me for fiddy cent. (is that how the rapper got his name? Big Grin)

I took ubers and lyft and drivers were sketchy Indians and pakis with often shitty cars and driving with them only felt slightly better than walking sketchy streets at night in the gentrified parts of Brooklyn.

I went back to the airport with an egyptian who openly mocked me to his friend on the phone. (3rd world people sure love their loud ass non stop phone calls)

Yay diversity, yay land of the free...

Chinese people are bit rough around the edges but hostility is pretty damn rare and shit talking people is extremely uncommon and seen as lowly behavior.

Meanwhile in Beijing I take the Beijing Airport Express or the Maglev in Shanghai. No sketchy people, no fights in the air.

Afterwards I get a cab from the street where a driver that is always Chinese takes me where I want to go without shit talk, hostility or unpredictable behavior of random illegal 3rd world immigrant ride sharing drivers.
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(10-16-2019 01:49 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 01:33 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  Also, have you actually been to, let alone lived, in the US before?

Been to yeah, lived there no, as straight white males are to be kept out by the powers that be in favor of 3rd world "diversity". (globalists are pros at managing racially and culturally divided environments while coming out on top)

Whenever I went I felt harassed by immigration, who were unfriendly and asked intrusive questions and got pissed at me for breaking their shitty fingerprint equipment.

Then I took a ghetto ass train full of ghetto ass people from Newark to Grand Central in Manhattan where hustleres asked me for fiddy cent. (is that how the rapper got his name? Big Grin)

I took ubers and lyft and drivers were sketchy Indians and pakis with often shitty cars and driving with them only felt slightly better than walking sketchy streets at night in the gentrified parts of Brooklyn.

I went back to the airport with an egyptian who openly mocked me to his friend on the phone. (3rd world people sure love their loud ass non stop phone calls)

Yay diversity, yay land of the free...

Chinese people are bit rough around the edges but hostility is pretty damn rare and shit talking people is extremely uncommon and seen as lowly behavior.

Meanwhile in Beijing I take the Beijing Airport Express or the Maglev in Shanghai. No sketchy people, no fights in the air.

Afterwards I get a cab from the street where a driver that is always Chinese takes me where I want to go without shit talk, hostility or unpredictable behavior of random illegal 3rd world immigrant ride sharing drivers.

Sounds like you complain a lot
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(10-15-2019 03:33 PM)eradicator Wrote:  China also has a social credit system. If you jwalk you end up on the no fly list. If you wrote a tepid article in your youth about a problem in China you are blocked from getting a job other than shoveling shit and your children are blocked from university and cannot work anything but the most menial jobs.




Will you get fired for going on twitter and saying that a man dressing up as a woman is not in fact a woman?

How about this. Will you get beat up by anti-China protesters for attending a pro-China rally and then get tossed in jail for knocking out an anti-China protester in China?

Will doctors give your son gender reassignment surgery on the say-so of your ex wife who got custody and have you arrested for trying to intervene?

What is worse? An authoritarian nationalist nation or an authoritarian satanic nation?

Someone Chinese can at least tow the party line of nationalism towards a strong China. In the West you are fast approaching it being functionally outlawed as racist to even say you love your own country.

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^This sounds alot like whataboutism .

If it was Sikhs getting murdered in the Punjab I wouldn't go to them and say "well..? Have you SEEN the Clown World the West has become?

Different forms of oppression can exist on the same planet and I don't see a problem with calling these different things for what they are.

After all, this is a thread ABOUT the Hong Kong Protests 2019. Unless people are arguing that the CCP is totally in the right and that there is no oppression whatsoever or attempts to deny rights?
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Are you reasonably weighing up the pros and cons of this tyranny or are you simply going with "liberalism good, rules bad"?

If you could retake your homeland and cast out all foreign interference, but the cost was a decade or two of totalitarianism, would you choose the current "free but not really free" decline into globalist hell?

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A fractured country is ultimately hard to manage, hence forced integration and lets face it: There is no future for most HK locals there anyway that live like caged animals. It's owned by the wealthy these days and average Wong will be better off if they can freely move to Guangdong or wherever, although they obviously would want to live a middle class life in HK instead and nobody likes change.

The disenfranchised are being played by globalists against China as if China is responsible that they are a no future generation relying on social housing.
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For the people looking at this only from the perspective of pampered Westerners who cannot seem to square that their freedoms are directly related to the strategies used to subvert their nations, let me ask you.

I want you to imagine that you were the sole sovereign monarch of a vast, largely homogeneous nation. All power to grant or remove freedoms, all power to monitor the citizenry or turn a blind eye were yours to decide.

How far would you be willing to go to retain heritage domination of the nation and ensure that your nation was not subverted by outside forces?

"Hands off and hope for the best"?

Neither the Chinese nor anyone else are operating in a power vacuum. The Western balance of rights and responsibilities has already proven itself incapable of protecting the future of its heritage peoples. We did it our way and we lost, provably and blatantly.

Where does the presumption spring from that Hong Kong is right to pursue the Western way when we are already a diseased shambles?

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world...-w85r6nz6t

Quote:President Xi has warned that those who seek to divide China will suffer “crushed bodies and shattered bones”, in a thinly veiled threat to protesters in Hong Kong.

“Any external forces backing such attempts dividing China will be deemed by the Chinese people as pipe-dreaming,” he said
during a state visit to Nepal on Sunday.

Speaking at a news conference today, Carrie Lam, Hong Kong’s leader, said livelihood issues were the most important issue for her administration and said the government should consider “every means” to end the violence.

The president’s comments came after protests in Hong Kong descended into further violence yesterday, with one police officer stabbed in the neck. Several videos of clashes between police and demonstrators were broadcast on social media.

I'm surprised no one bothered to pick up on this here in the thread. It looks like the party's going to be over very soon ...

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(10-16-2019 06:47 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  A fractured country is ultimately hard to manage, hence forced integration and lets face it: There is no future for most HK locals there anyway that live like caged animals. It's owned by the wealthy these days and average Wong will be better off if they can freely move to Guangdong or wherever, although they obviously would want to live a middle class life in HK instead and nobody likes change.

The disenfranchised are being played by globalists against China as if China is responsible that they are a no future generation relying on social housing.

I don't know where to start. Have you even been to Hong Kong?

Hong Kong is in this type of shitty situation precisely because there is NOT an adequate supply of social housing.

And suppose we institute a One Country One System. What do you expect the majority of Hong Kongers do in Guangzhou? Most don't have the connections, educational background, or specialized skills to make living in Guangzhou work. In Mainland China, they are competing against 1.4 billion people here. Guangzhou and Shenzhen are highly competitive cities full of transplants. However, their education and connections are relevant for Hong Kong.

And now with the protests, Mainland Chinese are starting to no longer see Hong Kong youth as cousins as they used to, but as enemies. And the Hong Kongers' opinions on Mainland China have only hardened. It has definitely boiled over into a clash of 2 opposing nationalisms now.

Talking about nationalism, keep in mind that even from a nationalist, anti-globohomo perspective, Chinese nationalism and Hong Kong localism have different objectives built on very different creeds and histories, and expectedly those 2 ideals clash. This is how wars in Europe in the past have occurred: Two neighboring nationalist countries declare war whenever their core interests collide head-on. Two countries align whenever their core interests match.

Quote:Someone Chinese can at least tow the party line of nationalism towards a strong China. In the West you are fast approaching it being functionally outlawed as racist to even say you love your own country.

You are moving goalposts here. You definitely have the option of towing the party line and reap the resultant benefits in the West too: Join Globohomo, perhaps start by becoming homo yourself and parrot the (((media)))'s talking points verbatim. "Globohomo" can definitely be seen as an Empire/nation, and no one is stopping you from swearing allegiance to it.

Quote:If you could retake your homeland and cast out all foreign interference, but the cost was a decade or two of totalitarianism, would you choose the current "free but not really free" decline into globalist hell?

Integration with China isn't in the interests for those who want to Make Hong Kong Great Again.

Let's hypothetically assume that Hong Kong does get subsumed fully into China. In the current One Country Two Systems state, at least Hong Kongers can leverage stuff their special trading status and the British common law system that separates them from the rest of the Mainland. What if Hong Kong becomes a part of the Mainland? The Mainland has at least a dozen cities with over 7.5 million people. Hong Kong will just be one of them, and all of its advantages would be lost. There will be no more leverage over the Mainland, its ties with the rest of the world will be severed as Hong Kong will be rendered useless by Western and even some Chinese corporations, and can you name me a single person who would willingly swap a Hong Kong passport for a PRC passport? Becoming just another city, perhaps one ranked on par with Xi'an doesn't sound palatable to Hong Kongers. Not to mention that there will be a radical cultural change that the CCP will enforce once it becomes just a Mainland city.

The Chinese nationalist standpoint on Hong Kong is wanting Hong Kong civic society to resemble the current Shanghainese one, but built on a Cantonese instead of Jiangnan base and an economy driven by China-backed companies/SOEs. All of this while keeping the special trade and customs statuses intact.

But we all know this won't happen, as the West control Hong Kong's special status, which is the single most important value Hong Kong provides to China. They're the ones who allow Hong Kongers visa free, or in the case of the US significantly smoother visa application processes, while subjecting Chinese to visas. They're the ones who maintain different trade policies with Hong Kong and China. They're the ones who fuel the Hong Kong economy.

The Hong Kong localist standpoint is as follows:

1. Reduce overt Mainland influence in civic society, unless Hong Kong locals specifically welcome it (which they won't for the foreseeable future)
2. Make housing affordable again
3. Develop other economic sectors besides just finance and asset inflation
4. Turn over vetting of Mainland immigrants from the Chinese Public Security Bureau to the HK Immigration Dept, and reduce their daily quotas from 150.
5. Cap the amount of Mainlanders crossing the border for shopping/tourism.
6. Maintain and enhance the way of life partially left behind by the British
7. Maintain the separate trade/customs situations by deepening ties with the rest of the world, especially the Anglosphere.

This can even be negotiated with Chinese nationalists/the CCP where they continue to maintain sovereignty over Hong Kong.

Of course, the Hong Kong people currently have a mob mentality fighting whats essentially a semi-hot civil war, so this chaos has reduced their demands for now to the "Five Demands". This is no different from the Gilets Jaunes, which was even less organized in its demands. If French nationalists on this forum and elsewhere can call the HK protests a CIA-backed globohomo coup, I can call the Gilets Jaunes a FSB-backed coup to overthrow the Macron government. . Oh wait... the (((media))) have attempted just that to smear the Gilets Jaunes.

Also can't we not recognize that the CCP is not Globohomo and has generally done a good job in Mainland China since 1979, while also recognizing that subsuming Hong Kong into the Mainland system is not in the interest of most Hong Kongers, whether the commoners or the elite?

Can't we not recognize that different groups of people have different interests? I thought acknowledging that forms the basis of nationalism. The world is not a black or white place. When different nationalists representing the interests of different groups of people clash, we get war: This is human history in a one-sentence nutshell.

Asking Hong Kong to be subsumed by the PRC is akin to asking European countries to be subsumed by the EU. And yes there are some nationalists who should be naturally pro-EU: For example, the Turkish nationalists. They can not only expand their demographic footprint into first world countries, but also they get the added benefits of trading with 28 countries all at once with Schengen instead of each one individually. The potential military threats also neutered, plus a good dumping ground for unwanted excess population.

If I were a Turk, I'd support the EU wholeheartedly. But if I were an Italian, I'd have the EU dismantled ASAP. The same can apply to the PRC. For certain nationalities, China is a force of good. For others, China should be a force that needs to be contained.
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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
I've yet to hear this perspective - Gordon Chang suggests this is an "unfair" fight with mainland China at the short end of the stick. He suggests they cannot bring in the troops, because militarily speaking the terrain in Hong Kong favors the defenders and they could possibly use guerilla warfare tactics.

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United States Congress passes resolutions to back the "democratic protestors"
(Or "violent terrorists" if you side with mainland China)



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Things are getting a bit more serious now.

Looks like the conflict has even arrived inside the walls of the official Hong Kong government.

10 members of opposition parties inside the Hong Kong government were thrown out by force for holding signs and shouting insults. These aren't young kids who are breaking stuff on the streets for fun....these are official members of the HK government. Of course one must keep in mind that whether or not they are being sincere, (or are being paid to cause trouble) is another matter.



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(10-17-2019 09:17 AM)Sosa Wrote:  I've yet to hear this perspective - Gordon Chang suggests this is an "unfair" fight with mainland China at the short end of the stick. He suggests they cannot bring in the troops, because militarily speaking the terrain in Hong Kong favors the defenders and they could possibly use guerilla warfare tactics.

There would be nothing left to fight over. Hong Kong's value isn't the land it is situated on or its port. The Mainland has plenty of under-populated land and plenty of ports that have room for more additional bandwidth than Hong Kong's could offer them.

Hong Kong's value is its ability to attract investment, the existing capital of its millionaires, its connections and its prestige. If there's anything resembling an armed conflict between the PLA and the Hong Kong people, outside investment will dry up, the millionaires and their money will flee, no one will be interested in doing business there and the its prestige will be replaced with a dumpster fire. Another Tiananmen Square that will be far more damaging to the Mainland's economy than the original Tiananmen could have been.

It's not that the PLA couldn't necessarily win the battle, but there would be nothing of value left once they had and the long term economic costs to the mainland would be devastating.
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(10-16-2019 01:49 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Chinese people are bit rough around the edges but hostility is pretty damn rare and shit talking people is extremely uncommon and seen as lowly behavior.

Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about.
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(10-16-2019 06:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I want you to imagine that you were the sole sovereign monarch of a vast, largely homogeneous nation. All power to grant or remove freedoms, all power to monitor the citizenry or turn a blind eye were yours to decide.

How far would you be willing to go to retain heritage domination of the nation and ensure that your nation was not subverted by outside forces?

Except China is one of the least homogeneous countries in the world.

Additionally, the CCP's priority is not to avoid China being subverted by outside forces. It's main priority is to increase its own power, even if this is a net negative for the Chinese people. The ONLY reason they adopted the current model of letting the common people have relative freedoms was because trying to control every aspect of everyone's lives didn't work.

You can be sure that the moment they think they can swing it while maintaining their power and their wealth, they'll take away everyone's freedoms again. In fact, they are busy figuring out how to do that right now.

Your envy in the Chinese people and their government is unrealistic, uninformed and certainly misplaced.
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I lived in China for 3.5 years and in HKG the past year. I might do a post on that in the future. Or I might not. I can see that the 50 cent army is strong even in here!

Watch this guys, it will make things really clear.
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(10-17-2019 02:04 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  I lived in China for 3.5 years and in HKG the past year. I might do a post on that in the future. Or I might not. I can see that the 50 cent army is strong even in here!

Now that you've left the mainland, how would you say that these predictions worked out?

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50551.html

Quote:China is THE land of opportunties par excellence, in every aspect.

Quote:China is a mid-long term investment (think 3-5 years) that will yield very handsome dividends for anyone willing to put in the time.
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(10-17-2019 12:28 PM)Suits Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 06:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I want you to imagine that you were the sole sovereign monarch of a vast, largely homogeneous nation. All power to grant or remove freedoms, all power to monitor the citizenry or turn a blind eye were yours to decide.

How far would you be willing to go to retain heritage domination of the nation and ensure that your nation was not subverted by outside forces?

Except China is one of the least homogeneous countries in the world.


Additionally, the CCP's priority is not to avoid China being subverted by outside forces. It's main priority is to increase its own power, even if this is a net negative for the Chinese people. The ONLY reason they adopted the current model of letting the common people have relative freedoms was because trying to control every aspect of everyone's lives didn't work.

You can be sure that the moment they think they can swing it while maintaining their power and their wealth, they'll take away everyone's freedoms again. In fact, they are busy figuring out how to do that right now.

Your envy in the Chinese people and their government is unrealistic, uninformed and certainly misplaced.

China is a very homogeneous large country, 91% Han Chinese.


As to the rest, I will simplify things for you and the other "Chicom" fearmongers. Here's a basic fact for you to chew on:

-Since the 1960s, every generation of Chinese people is better off than its parents' generation, and this will be true for the foreseeable future.

-Since the 1960s, every generation of American, Canadian and Western European people is worse off than its parents' generation, and this will be true for the foreseeable future. Not just this, but in fact most of our original peoples are being replaced.


Most of the guys who lived in China on this forum lack a complete historical perspective on China, they've only been there in the last 10-20 years. China was a third world country in the 1980s.


More facts about China:

-Hong Kong is a Chinese city. It was officially taken over by the Brits after the Opium Wars, when Chinese coastal cities were turned into drug-infested ghettos with a quarter of men hooked on opium, with the huge profits siphoned by the (((bankers))).

-What happens in HK or the Mainland has no impact whatsoever on our daily lives, at least in terms of our rights and freedoms, which are increasingly threatened by our own governments. This forum will be shut down in the next couple of years if Warren is elected. It could also be shut down under Trump. Guys like Roosh are officially political dissidents who are getting obstructed and banned from traveling abroad.

-The kind of repression we see in HK is no different than what is already happening in parts of the West. In fact, those evil ChiComs have been far more lenient so far on HK protestors than the French government on theirs.

All of these are simple, undeniable facts that should put things in perspective here.

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