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Hong Kong protests 2019
Surprised there isn't a thread on this here.

Protests have already been going on for a few months now and show no sign of letting up.


Here's 2 maps for those unfamiliar with the geography of the various small territories and islands that make up Hong Kong. Helps to know what it means when someoe says something like "Lantau" or "Kowloon". Population is over 7 million people.


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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
Hong Kong airport has cancelled all departing flights for 2nd day in a row.
Not sure about arriving flights though.

If you want to get out of the city...better find another way.




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Hong Kong police chase protestors into "Tai Koo" MTR metro station yesterday.
Tear gas and beatings follow:



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A color revolution in the making sponsored by the US and the UK.

Chinese Goverment is going to let the place to rotten.

Just don't complain when China hits back... It knows how to play hard too... Payback time is a bitch

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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
This has been briefly discussed on the Trump China Policy Thread, and here are some of my takes posted on that thread that I'm gonna repost:

Quote:1. HK is not Crimea. And while its less geopolitically important, it is much, MUCH more important for the global economy. The Asia Pacific headquarters of most foreign companies (US or otherwise) are in Hong Kong. The overseas headquarters of all Chinese SOEs and Chinese firms in general are also in Hong Kong. It is the world's #3 finance and banking center right after London and NYC. Overall, the stakes are MUCH higher in Hong Kong than in Crimea.

2. Hong Kong is really important for China. For the above reasons, it is an indispensable conduit for China with the rest of the world. There are no Chinese cities that is a separate customs and immigration territory, runs on a common law system, and has uncensored internet. Furthermore, China is subject to tariffs abroad and also imposes tariffs on foreign companies in China. Likewise, the yuan is NOT freely convertible. Hong Kong is not subject to any tariffs, doesn't impose tariffs, and the Hong Kong Dollar is freely convertible. Hong Kong also uses common law arbitration for business disputes that both Mainland and Western companies need as well. In a nutshell, China needs Hong Kong to get around all kinds of restrictions.

3. To turn HK into a Mainland city, China will lose all of its advantages AND get sanctions imposed on it. The last thing China wants to be is turn into an autarky, especially with the ongoing trade war.

4. Hong Kongers are ethnically Chinese but its hard for them to identify with the PRC, even harder than Taiwanese. The culture of Hong Kong is fundamentally as an outpost of the British Empire in China. To this day, it is likely the most British place outside of the UK. Even the HK local govt itself, inept as it is, is a holdover of colonial times. At the moment, PRC values are incongruent with Hong Kong values. Anyone who has been to both places would know that stepping into Hong Kong from anywhere in the Mainland feels like you are instantly in a foreign country, and vice versa. The infrastructure, linguistic situation, down to the uniforms of customs officials and the general culture is different. If anything, Taiwan feels less foreign from the Mainland than Hong Kong. To give you an idea, only about half of Hong Kong is able to speak good Mandarin.

Integrating Hong Kong with the Mainland will not only require massive changes to Hong Kong's culture, way of life and social hierarchy, but also the Mainland will have to completely re-evaluate how they engage with the world.

5. The pro-Beijing camp are a disunited bunch with significant infighting. There is the pro-business parties who are just pro-status quo and doing business with the Mainland, there are the trade unions who sympathize with the Communists, there are underground CCP members, there are just people who want stability, and finally there are some redpilled Chinese nationalists.

6. The social situation in Hong Kong. This is an overtouristed Dickensian place. The economy failed to diversify into healthcare, IT, or advanced manufacturing. Low cost labor intensive work has moved into Mainland China long ago. Rent is THE highest in the world, with middle class families packed into 30 square meters. Your average middle class single has to live with parents. Streets are packed 24/7, people live like rats, and majority of restaurants have a permanent line out by the door.

7. Cross border retail tourism has really strained infrastructure, directly denting quality of life. Stores that used to cater to locals now cater to Mainlanders. This disproportionately affects locals in working class and lower middle class areas near the border.

8. Hong Kong's political system is designed in a way that the elite tycoons, all of whom have secondary passports in the Anglosphere and whose main cash cow is Mainland China in fact, blatantly control the government in plain sight.

9. China doesn't see itself as a based and redpill country that you disgruntled Westerners so badly want it to be. The CCP itself actually believes in Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and it is fundamentally a Communist country, just reformed appropriately to get on with the times and stay in power. It has its own agenda, namely to stay in power: Chinese nationalist rhetoric in China is just a tactic to shore up and maintain power. In fact, the late USSR under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Andropov was very much "based and redpilled" too.

Overall, those riots in Hong Kong are what you get when you have an out of touch elite that completely ignores public opinion: the middle class youth in Hong Kong have been completely, and utterly failed by the system. The situation is much more like the GJ France if anything. Except the youth have "democracy" as a blind ideology to fight for, and the HKPF and the CCP, rightfully or wrongfully, as their scapegoats.

Not everything is US = Bad. China = Good. The world is a lot more nuanced than that.

to be continued...
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Quote:there is indeed a massive generational divide in HK. From what I'm seeing, the riots are backed by most millennials but most boomers are anti-riots. Its a mixed bag among Gen X.

The problem is that the boomers didn't leave much opportunity for the youth. While the boomers in Hong Kong are extremely hardworking, they also had several advantages stacked in their favor.

1. They bought their first homes before asset inflation became a big issue. Most actually saw their property values boom and have gotten quite wealthy from it. They don't want property values to cool off. A lot also benefit from the cross border retail industry if they work for or own anything from a standalone pharmacy to a mall-owning conglomerate.

2. When the boomers came of age, the Mainland was booming yet had zero capital or skilled experts. Hong Kongers back then could open up labor intensive sweatshops and all sorts of small and medium sized enterprises. There was also so much property to develop that Hong Kong developers were having a field day developing the first batch of first world-standard buildings on the Mainland. And when multinationals first opened up representative offices on the Mainland in the early 1990s, the entire management were Hong Kongers. Not just all those opportunities on the Mainland, but Hong Kong itself was booming: The economy was growing gangbusters, people were fearful of 1997 yet very optimistic both by the HK economy and China's reform and opening up, and there was ample opportunity and jobs. In fact, there seemed to be slightly more expats then than now based on various sources.

Today what do the millennials have? The Mainland is out of the question for most millennials: There are more than enough Mainland millennials who can fill all the middle class office jobs at multinationals or any role that deal with foreigners. In 1990, only Hong Kongers were able to deal with foreigners in any sort of capacity, not today. And most Hong Kong millennials resent the Mainland anyways, as the majority feeling on the ground that the CCP is an evil entity trying to destroy their way of life in every way possible. There's no way you can get them to move in this kind of social environment. Obviously the reality is way more nuanced than that.

Also, the boomers do not trust the CCP either, but the boomers have more fear for the CCP while for the millennials, its more resentment. For example, the June protests specifically calling for the extradition bill to be suspended/withdrawn had significant boomer support: trust for the mainland legal system was low enough that for the extradition bill itself, it was largely divided into anti-bill and neutral. Pro-bill sentiments seemed almost nonexistent.

The boomers want to work with the CCP to take advantage of China's growing strength as much as they can while keeping as much of the current system as they can. On the other hand, the boomers are definitely not truly comfortable with the current situation: Pretty much all boomers who can qualify to emigrate have gotten a second passport: The majority returned from abroad immediately after acquiring their passports.

Because the boomers legitimately fear the CCP, they are angry at what the youth is doing. At best, Hong Kong will enter a deep recession. At worst, the CCP will have to intervene, the boomers' worst nightmare come true, and Hong Kong's status and its relations with the world will forever change.

Also keep in mind that due to the poverty many grew up with, and with many witnessing and sympathizing with the 1967 riots, its not hard to muster up anti-British, anti-Western Hong Kong boomers. Keep in mind Hong Kong is NOT monolithically anti-China. Various pro-Beijing parties have about 40% of the vote in Hong Kong consistently. My estimate is that about/at least 15% of the population, mostly boomers, have a grievance against the British colonial government and dim views of the Western government that many forum members here can relate to.

I have already discussed how Hong Kong's insane rents and lopsided, un-diversified economy that favors boomers and to a lesser extent, expats and overseas-educated Mainlanders. Hong Kong youth are likely Asia's most underemployed. Only Taiwan comes close.

to be continued...
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Quote:Yes, Hong Kong's GDP is only about 3% of China's now, and today, the Mainland is more than capable of conducting international trade on its own. There are plenty of multinationals, international flights, and busy cargo terminals all over the Mainland.

However, Hong Kong, that city with just 3% of China's GDP, can do so many things that the Mainland can't or won't do, that directly stems from Hong Kong's British-style laws, international reputation, and its free port tax haven status. I've mentioned a lot of examples in a previous post. China will still survive obviously, but closing Hong Kong as a window will definitely not keep international trade in the rest of the Mainland unaffected: It will have to become a lot more autarkic in that case. If push comes to shove, China can do this, but does it actually want to do so? Hell no.

to be continued...
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Quote:The millennials definitely drank the democracy koolaid thinking that they can vote out the system. A lot also feel like they have nothing to lose: They resent the Mainland and there are no longer opportunities for them there anyways. Life in Hong Kong for them is just a depressing mixture of Dickensian economics, overcrowding, and China's shadow becoming ever stronger by the day with no end in sight. There is legitimate fear that the rights they have today will be taken away. This is a powder keg that can make anyone stuck in such an environment depressed and angry.

Another important fact is that peaceful protests have already occurred in Hong Kong: In 2014, there was Occupy Central, where streets in Hong Kong Island were shut down for 79 days in a peaceful protest. About 60% of the current rioters were also participants in 2014. What we are witnessing in 2019 is pent-up anger simmering below the service left over from 2014, where the government refused to give any concessions to the 2014 protesters and took no concrete steps whatsoever in improving youth living conditions. In fact the CCP stepped into disqualify elected members of the LegCo, arrested a some booksellers, while the Hong Kong courts sentenced the Occupy leaders to prison. None of that helped youth anger or China's soft power in HK at all.

In a nutshell, this is a critical 1967 moment for the HKSAR. In fact the timing was uncannily similar: the second iteration of Hong Kong as a British colony started in 1949 and ended in 1997. 1967 was 18 years after the start and 30 years before the end. 2019 is 22 years after 1997 and 28 years before 2047.

Hong Kong will eventually get back to normal after this summer, but it will be a new normal. The HKSAR as we knew it will definitely be changed, but given the resilience of the place, it won't be doomed either. What is likely is that the CCP will have a more direct say in the everyday governance of Hong Kong. The youth of Hong Kong are the most left-behind in Asia, and the local government is poor in communicating with locals.

How China deals with both ending the protests and the programs it directly or indirectly implements in the aftermath will not only chart Hong Kong's path for the next several decades, but also it will play a pivotal role in China's growth trajectory, soft power implications, and international relations for the rest of the century too.

For China, this is now a bigger test than the US trade war. It might even be a make or break moment for China's future geopolitical and international ambitions.
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Its a case of people wanting a free vote vs Communists who say otherwise. The commies have the guns and thats all that matters.
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Thanks for the information, Aquarius. No news media is covering it, so I didn't know how I was going to get some knowledge on the situation. I am not Chinese, so I don't have a lot of investment in this, but considering that our economy in America is global, what happens there could affect markets in the future for everyone.

My one problem is that revolutions tend to be backed by a certain ((nose)), and if anything, seeing the people want to be free could just be a disguise to something else.
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(08-13-2019 10:37 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Its a case of people wanting a free vote vs Communists who say otherwise. The commies have the guns and thats all that matters.

Yes a lot of the protesters/rioters (its approaching an insurgency, albeit unarmed, at this point) are indeed mislead by democracy as I mentioned, but fundamentally its not about Communism vs democracy. Its about the youth releasing pent-up anger at a society that left them behind, and waging essentially a rebellion against the government as a method, whether justified or not, to achieve their means.
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I've seen some post on /r conspiracy saying reddit is scrubbing all videos and pictures of large movements of PRC into HK from the neighbouring area. Reddit is also bought and paid for by China as well if you didn't know, like SHareblue on the USA side.

Link: https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...g_chinese/

There is a short twitter video showing a LOT of troop trucks. The time is short at hand and these protests will be put down with overwhelming force. Nobody sticks two fingers up at Reds and lives to tell the tale.
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Now that it's night in Hong Kong, police are trying to clear the airport...they are meeting some tough resistance.
Protestors have made barriers with luggage trolleys near entrances and are holding positions.







Police try to enter airport @ minute 4:00 in the video below, but protesters shine hundreds of laser pointers in their eyes and police retreat.







Apparently, all the chaos is on the departures level on the upper floor. If you skip to minute 8:08 in the above video...you can see the lower arrivals level showing passengers with luggage and small children calmly exiting the arrivals area at a leisurely pace. Laugh
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My Dad was involved in the riot suppression in 1967. Had to go to work in the back of a car under a blanket.

One riot the marchers put all the women and kids at the front shouting slogans. When they reached the police line the women and kids ducked on-signal and the men behind threw acid in the police officers faces.

These kids seem to have inherited the same kind of tactics. (laser pointers etc.)
But they are faggots-ville compared to the rioters of 1967. And its not like those people were Action Men or anything.

My Dad and his buddies would find themselves regularly handcuffed to outside railings by pissed off bar owners in Wan Chai or absolutely battered by gangs of locals with sticks down back alleys.
It was all part of a night out in those days.
Given that their Saturday nights seem to involve playstation and watching Premier League football on flat-screen TVs I don't think that these Millenials would do very well if the CCP did decide to flex its muscles.

Aquarius offers some good insights.

I just think that all the CCP needs to is slowly slowly ride this out.
In the absence of any heavy handed Tianamen-style crackdown these kids are slowly going to lose any support in my view.
Just spoke to a HK Chinese friend in his mid-40s, he just got back from holiday and for a moment it looked dicey as to whether he and his family could land and transit customs.
He says that the problem at the moment in his friends' view is that these riots are popping up at random, even in residential areas, and so people find themselves caught up in it as it is harder to plan and keep away from them. Those that do get engulfed mightily resent the stress and hassle involved.
Thats the mid 40s view.
Not exactly Fight the Power.

This reminds me of the Fire Brigades Union Strike in the UK in 2002-3. The Firefighters were cocky and believed that the wider British public would back them up. But both the public and the media were both skeptical and then increasingly resentful of their presumptive attitude that just assumed public support.
They never tried to involve the public or, more importantly, ask them what they thought about it all.

It backfired on the FBU, weakened their position, and they ended up having to settle for less in negotiations.
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It's amazing how much more subdued and civil Chinese police have been with protestors compared with Macron's goons very violent repression of the Gilets Jaunes, who have been mercilessly crushed despite confining their demos to marching in the streets; several killed, hundreds shot in the face with rubber bullets, with dozens losing eyes and getting disfigured, while doing nothing close to blocking major airports.





(This video is actually very mild compared to the compilations of GJ violence that were circulating earlier this year, which it seems were scrubbed out of the internets.)

China's leaders are smart, they are giving the millennial protestors enough rope for them to hang themselves. Images like HK protestors ganging up and pummeling passive policemen or marching down the street with American flags are terrible optics that will lose them any support or sympathy from the mainstream mainland public. As long as that is the case, they won't even need to suppress the protests violently, they will just arrest a few hundred leaders, slap the rest with social credit pariah status and will ride this through like they did with the Tiananmen protests two decades ago.

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Nobody in Asia likes mainland Chinese. These riots were long overdue, and were a culmination set by smaller events over the years. HK folks are just fed up with them coming in and pushing them around, [literally] shitting and pissing in their streets, buying up property and creating an unaffordable housing market, etc etc. The introduction of the extradition law was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Xi Jinping fucked up big time. If he intervenes, he'll look like a monster in the eyes of the rest of the world, and will lose support. If he doesn't do anything, he'll look like a big pussy. He and the CCP are fucked either way, and they can't get out of this situation easily.

Edit: Lots of people commenting that don't actually know what's going on, lol. The HK police ARE shooting the protesters with rubber bullets and tear gas canisters. Also, the mainland is sending thugs down to attack random civilians in the subways. They have tanks and soldiers ready to go on the border of Shenzhen for Tiananmen Square Part 2, you moron. And yeah, nah, they won't be able to "ride this one out." Even the EU and UN are taking HK's side.
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(08-13-2019 01:07 PM)911 Wrote:  It's amazing how much more subdued and civil Chinese police have been with protestors compared with Macron's goons very violent repression of the Gilets Jaunes, who have been mercilessly crushed despite confining their demos to marching in the streets; several killed, hundreds shot in the face with rubber bullets, with dozens losing eyes and getting disfigured, while doing nothing close to blocking major airports.





(This video is actually very mild compared to the compilations of GJ violence that were circulating earlier this year, which it seems were scrubbed out of the internets.)

China's leaders are smart, they are giving the millennial protestors enough rope for them to hang themselves. Images like HK protestors ganging up and pummeling passive policemen or marching down the street with American flags are terrible optics that will lose them any support or sympathy from the mainstream mainland public. As long as that is the case, they won't even need to suppress the protests violently, they will just arrest a few hundred leaders, slap the rest with social credit pariah status and will ride this through like they did with the Tiananmen protests two decades ago.


Your anti-EU rethoric seems to be blinding you (if you allow me the pun).

Do you have any proof of the numbers you are giving? I live in France and the casualties have been nowhere close to what you are pretending.

By the way do you know about the black blocs, and the many people who have been destroying historical places AND stores owned by people who were just making a living? EVERY SINGLE SATURDAY the black blocs made several stores close business because they lost either customers or had their local destroyed.

The main problem of that movement lied in the fact that under the pretense of protesting against the government, radical left members exploited every saturday to carry out thefts and other violent acts.

The latest reports have showed the Gilets Jaunes have cost the economy several billions!!!
Article in French about the costs

Tourism, economy, everything has slowed down thanks to them, especially the small businesses who could not afford to lose every Saturday. And frankly the "violences" you are talking about have been pretty mild compared to everything the black blocs have dished.

I have been living here for more than 10 years and I know what a violent manifestation is (hint: my birth country). You are just taking this opportunity to bash Macron.

The GJ could have achieved much better results if they did not let the black blocs infiltrate them. As far as I know, it's not the case in Hong Kong.





Edit: for those who care, I am pro Macron indeed and also pro Hong Kong (and don't give me shit about illegal immigration, I want to send all refugies back). Whereas the people in Hong Kong are asking for more democracy and autonomy (which is totally commandable), most of the Gilets Jaunes (outside of legitimate concerns like too expensive oil, too many taxes and also TAXES ON TAXES) can't understand why their lifestyle choices and career work can't allow them to live the same as people who took courses to get a degree allowing them to be paid better.

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I'm not sure.

I don't trust the likes of the UN or the EU or Western indignation. See the Rohingya Muslims in Burma.

rubber bullets and tear gas unfortunately doesn't come across as excessive in this media-saturated day and age.

The student fee riots in 2010 in London got violent over a few hours. No one gave a shit.

A better example would be Mikado's dismissal of violence against the GJ's antics just above. ^Case. In. Point.

There is a forum member and fellow citizen (steady Simeon Wink ) getting mightily fed up with protesters' antics.

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China's leaders are smart, they are giving the millennial protestors enough rope for them to hang themselves
. Images like HK protestors ganging up and pummeling passive policemen or marching down the street with American flags are terrible optics that will lose them any support or sympathy from the mainstream mainland public. As long as that is the case, they won't even need to suppress the protests violently, they will just arrest a few hundred leaders, slap the rest with social credit pariah status and will ride this through like they did with the Tiananmen protests two decades ago.

If they're smart this is exactly what they will do. Amassing Tanks and Troops remains merely that until they actually employ them.

Holding their fire... Thats what happened during the London Riots.

For 1 or 2 days it was mayhem. Pillars of smoke on the skyline, power cuts, people smashing the place up, my mate was rugby tackled off his scooter by roving gangs. It was adrenaline fuelled and scary.

The Police and authorities? Crickets.

Another day goes past. Still crickets..

Everybody at work starts comparing safe routes home, googling for updates, no real official advice, so they start self organising into how to negotiate things like grocery-shopping trips, bitching about the police "When are they going to do something?"

By day 3 or 4 the hardest core, ghetto-residing, police hating, self-appointed-gangsta people I knew were saying "forget the police, send in the fucking army, I hate these people.."

The authorities deliberately held their fire and gave the rioters the time to demonstrate that they had no ideas, grand ideals or anything to contribute to other Londoners, they gave them the rope with which they hung themselves.

At the same time I was reading the Washington Post and NYT forums where people were saying shit like "the British people are finally rising against their evil Oppressors and embracing revolution!"

Um...? nope.

When the crack down came we were clapping the police and giving them the thumbs up whenever we saw them.

The authorities massive legal crackdown with the stiffest sentences London had seen in decades for "public disorder" offences were actually welcomed.

Same thing could happen in HK as I see it. Lots of HK'ers are ambivalent to say the least about these millennial rioters.

If the CCP allows this to simmer and doesn't crack down hard then the rioters risk losing the societal support that they need.
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Well, as long people protest peacefully, they can achieve the desired results.

Break my store or my business, you can fuck off. That's the french spirit.

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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
(08-13-2019 02:02 PM)mikado Wrote:  Funny that the police is always blamed whereas the violences commited by the protestors get swept under the rug.

Case in point: Bienvenuto's response above.
Read the part about the black blocs again please. Thank you.

The Black Block are antifa trotskyiste scum who are working hand in glove with the Macron goons to sow chaos and discredit the nationalist Gilet Jaune movement. I doubt your IQ is actually low enough to not be aware of this. At least, I think not.

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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
(08-13-2019 02:10 PM)911 Wrote:  
(08-13-2019 02:02 PM)mikado Wrote:  Funny that the police is always blamed whereas the violences commited by the protestors get swept under the rug.

Case in point: Bienvenuto's response above.
Read the part about the black blocs again please. Thank you.

The Black Block are antifa trotskyiste scum who are working hand in glove with the Macron goons to sow chaos and discredit the nationalist Gilet Jaune movement. I doubt your IQ is actually low enough to not be aware of this. At least, I think not.

Possible, and very likely. However it's not our business to sort this out. The Gilets Jaunes can handle this problem, for all I care. The only thing that matters is that the Gilets Jaunes failed us economically. Which is, ironically, what they were protesting against.

Anyway I will likely vote for Macron in 2022 because he is the least worse economically for my socioeconomic status, and my living conditions. Same as those of you who voted Trump for economic reasons. The Gilets Jaunes can get lost for all I care.

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Quote:The only thing that matters is that the Gilets Jaunes failed us economically.

There are things far more important than the GDP.
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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
(08-13-2019 02:02 PM)mikado Wrote:  Funny that the police is always blamed whereas the violences commited by the protestors get swept under the rug.

Case in point: Bienvenuto's response above.
Read the part about the black blocs again please. Thank you.

Au contraire Mikado, I read it.

You made my point perfectly.

I don't have a view on the GJ but...

You as a Bona-Fide Frenchmen Smile are more ambivalent about the virtues vs faults of the protestors.

Exactly what I am seeing with Generation X and older Chinese in HK. They don't see it as just Bad Police/ Good Protestors. They don't..

in much the same way that you Mikado similarly don't see the GJ simply as Bad Police/ Good Protestors.

Edit: Holy Fuck. As I type this, (((Ben Shapiro))) (I know, I know) is saying "by the way they are waving the American flag, that is for a reason, America symbolises freedom around the world" "Donald Trump needs to tell the Chinese to back off and leave the protestors alone" "Donald Trump needs to speak out and speak out now, he needs to make any resources that are available, available to the protestors .. short of Heavy Weaponry"

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Alleged video from Shenzhen China, just across the border from Hong Kong showing very long line of military trucks.
Unverified.



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RE: Hong Kong protests 2019
(08-13-2019 02:16 PM)mikado Wrote:  
(08-13-2019 02:10 PM)911 Wrote:  
(08-13-2019 02:02 PM)mikado Wrote:  Funny that the police is always blamed whereas the violences commited by the protestors get swept under the rug.

Case in point: Bienvenuto's response above.
Read the part about the black blocs again please. Thank you.

The Black Block are antifa trotskyiste scum who are working hand in glove with the Macron goons to sow chaos and discredit the nationalist Gilet Jaune movement. I doubt your IQ is actually low enough to not be aware of this. At least, I think not.

Possible, and very likely. However it's not our business to sort this out. The Gilets Jaunes can handle this problem, for all I care. The only thing that matters is that the Gilets Jaunes failed us economically.

I always chuckle when seeing other members who know you better rip into you. Just reading this crap you typed over and over again..

>The only thing that matters is that the Gilets Jaunes failed us economically.

> The only thing that matters

> failed us economically.


> Supports Macron - A Rothschild banster who is helping to destroy France.

You should write comedy someday.
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