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American woman in S. Arabia loses custody due to being "too Western to raise child"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...Islam.html

Quote:A Washington mother, who moved to Saudi Arabia to teach at a university, lost custody of her daughter after divorcing her husband because she was too Western to raise the child, according to a Saudi court.

Quote:Vierra's ex husband used her social media as evidence that she was allegedly living a non-Islamic lifestyle.

His lawyers used her trip to Burning Man in their argument, dubbing it 'the world's strangest festival' where attendees 'appear in crazy clothes and stay awake all night dancing and surrounded by people wearing only shoes made of fur, or drinking drugs (sic) or cold drinks.'

Her ex-husband's lawyers also contended that her social media was 'full of nudity, intermingling of the two sexes and a lot of things and actions contrary to our religion and customs and traditions.'
08-20-2019 06:44 PM
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Based Saudis.
08-20-2019 07:16 PM
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RE: American woman loses custody due to being "too Western to raise child"
On the upside, now that she's freed from the burden of child rearing, she can spend more time getting shit on by the Sheikhs.

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08-20-2019 08:24 PM
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Quote: She plans to appeal the decision.

She better figure a way out of the country before she goes missing. They already banned her from travel and have a warrant out for her arrest for missing a scheduled visitation that she claims she didn't know about. Or she's just a flake, most of her pics are yoga-related.
08-20-2019 08:36 PM
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I know we are going to laugh at this but men are living in a similar reality in the West.
08-20-2019 08:41 PM
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(08-20-2019 08:36 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
Quote: She plans to appeal the decision.

She better figure a way out of the country before she goes missing. They already banned her from travel and have a warrant out for her arrest for missing a scheduled visitation that she claims she didn't know about. Or she's just a flake, most of her pics are yoga-related.


That was going to be my next question... how much patience do they have for her living a lascivious lifestyle before she's stoned to death, and not by cannibis

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It's another case of a woman not knowing jack-shit about Islam. Not only Saudi Arabia does this, but every bloody Muslim country in the world gives the father full control over the children. That this even had to go to court is likely based on her being American while Saudi Arabia is a bit cautious around Americans. Also it's telling that the father did not get parental rights - could be because of his wishes or because he was known to take drugs and have a rather non-religious deviancy-prone lifestyle.

Any woman letting her husband take her kids to a Muslim country should know that she has zero rights over the kids. Even if they are Western-born and raised, but then visit Pakistan with the father, then there is little a woman can do. If the dad wants the kids to be raised Pakistani, then it's a done deal. All Muslim countries consider the children of Muslim fathers Muslims by default.

There is zero legal means of her making it - and as her parents said it - she risks her own life.

Personally I am all for Muslim-level father-rights and would be all for it were Islam not sucha a shitshow on many levels. That girl may be forced to marry her own uncle when she is 18, so strong rights of fathers are a bit tainted.

Oh - and the Saudi father certainly was no religious man. He knew that he married a strong empowered Western woman. He did not object to her nudity and lifestyle before. Though obviously he mistrusted her, but I guess that she wanted the divorce because she did not know that men can legally beat their women in Islam even if they are drug-addicted psychos. So I could bet that all the "Western lifestyle" reasons were just given before the court. The father is as degenerate if not more than her.
08-22-2019 12:52 PM
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(08-22-2019 12:52 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's another case of a woman not knowing jack-shit about Islam.

Women never do research, before a decision to commit to a relationship, lifestyle, religion or whatever. They just fallow the whatever authority that makes them tingle at the time and tunnel vision only positive things about it.
08-22-2019 01:40 PM
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(08-22-2019 01:40 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 12:52 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's another case of a woman not knowing jack-shit about Islam.

Women never do research, before a decision to commit to a relationship, lifestyle, religion or whatever. They just fallow the whatever authority that makes them tingle at the time and tunnel vision only positive things about it.

I recently advised a girl I know about her prospective Muslim fiance. He is a smart guy from a well-off secular Pakistani family living in the West. I informed her about all the rights that he has in Islam and especially in Pakistan with regard to their future children. She knew about most of it, but trusted the guy. Said to her that the worst thing that could happen is that he becomes more religious suddenly and takes the kids away from her.

But due to her having limited options - being overweight and over 30, him being quite well-off and loving her, even saying to her that he would not mind to convert to Christianity - then I said that the risks are worth the potential rewards so long as his intentions are honest with her. I wished her good luck with her Pakistani future husband.

Though this is a special case - a non-drinking, ethical, smart, well-off, secular Pakistani is not compared to a Saudi who was likely as degenerate as most coke-sniffing British guys - likely more, because the constraints for men are almost completely off. No one in his sane mind would have recommended her to marry that Saudi bloke all while living in Saudi Arabia.

At least the girl I advised knows about the potential however unlikely risk of losing her kids. There are plenty of good Muslim men out there - and 5% of Muslim-men-non-Muslim-women marriages are happy - that Pakistani guy fits the bill so far and her options are not the ones of a 21yo hot girl, so it's fine. Also that Pakistani guys entire family is secular and upper-middle class, even upper class - so he has zero pressure from the family to wear a Hijab or "act more like a proper Muslim". At worst daughters will be judged more harshly if they want to be sluts, but that is frankly something I recommend anyway.

Oh and the stats according to Ex-Muslim groups of marriages of Muslim-men Western women are:

90% divorce rate
5% happiness in marriage rate
1-5% chance of ending up dead or injured
10-20% of women report their kids getting taken by the husband after divorce

These are the stats concerning a group of UK Muslim-converted women. It was founded by a girl who wanted to be around other such women who married Muslims. After 5 years most of the marriages were gone and she later started helping the women to get at least their children back. The organisation Estera as well as others have helped thousands of women around the world to flee from their ex-husbands while getting the kids back is usually a lost cause unless you resort to highly expensive illegal means like mercenary groups to extricate your kids.
(This post was last modified: 08-22-2019 02:13 PM by Simeon_Strangelight.)
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I don't see this as a bad thing! Just look at how the kids today are turning out by being raised by single mothers compare to being raised by men!
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08-22-2019 04:19 PM
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I learned as a ten year old, due to the Nicole Kidman movie - Bangkok Hilton; you DO NOT smuggle drugs through South East Asia.

I also learned as a twelve year old, due to the Sally Field movie - Not Without My Daughter; you DO NOT get involved with an Arabic / Persian national & have kids as a woman.

Simple lessons. Not that difficult...
08-22-2019 06:07 PM
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I have no sympathy for this woman. Everyone with a room temperature and above IQ knows that Saudi Arabia is a socially conservative country, and that's putting it mildly. You have to expect to fit in if you marry into this culture. This lady did not think so, and now she's paying the price for that.
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(08-22-2019 01:40 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 12:52 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's another case of a woman not knowing jack-shit about Islam.

Women never do research, before a decision to commit to a relationship, lifestyle, religion or whatever. They just fallow the whatever authority that makes them tingle at the time and tunnel vision only positive things about it.

Such truth. Even the "successful" and "educated" women I know are mostly trainwrecks of poor decisions behind the facade of their corporate credentials and material life. It will only get worse though, because modern western women are given carte blanche to blame everyone but themselves for their own decision making.
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