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US Dept of Education Opens Investigations Into Female STEM Admissions & Scholarships
Women-only STEM college programs under attack for male discrimination

Quote:Female-only science programs, launched by many universities to redress gender imbalance in such fields as computer science and engineering, are coming under growing legal attack as sex discrimination against men.

The U.S. Department of Education has opened more than two dozen investigations into universities across the nation — UC Berkeley, UCLA and USC as well as Yale, Princeton and Rice — that offer female-only scholarships, awards, professional development workshops and even science and engineering camps for middle and high school girls. Sex discrimination in educational programs is banned under Title IX, a federal law that applies to all schools, both public and private, that receive federal funding.

A new study released Tuesday found that 84% of about 220 universities offer single-gender scholarships, many of them in STEM fields: science, technology, engineering and math. That practice is permitted under Title IX only if the “overall effect” of scholarships is equitable. The study, by a Maryland-based nonprofit advocating gender equity on college campuses, showed the majority of campus awards lopsidedly benefited women.

In California, for instance, 11 colleges and universities reviewed offered 117 scholarships for women and four for men, according to the survey by Stop Abusive and Violent Environments. The group was originally founded to lobby for due process rights for those accused of campus sexual misconduct, who are overwhelmingly male — and launched the current project challenging single-gender programs in January.

“The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction,” said Everett Bartlett, the organization’s president who plans to file federal complaints against about 185 campuses if they don’t sufficiently respond to questions about the scholarship practices. “We’re not a society based on quotas, we’re a society based on fairness,” Bartlett said.


Emily Martin of the National Women’s Law Center argued that such female-focused programs are allowed under Title IX as permissible affirmative action to overcome conditions that resulted in “limited participation” of one gender in a particular educational program. She blasted the growing national wave of complaints alleging that men are being treated unfairly under Title IX — most prominently in sexual misconduct cases and now in STEM programs.

U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has proposed sweeping changes to Title IX rules that would bolster the rights of the accused in sexual misconduct cases and is expected to issue final rules this fall. The department could not immediately respond to questions about the single-sex investigations.


“There’s a pretty well-organized and well-financed movement that is pushing out the false narrative that men are the victims of feminism,” said Martin, the center’s vice president for education and workplace justice. “The Trump administration has emboldened those trying to use this moment and this Department of Education as a weapon against women’s advancement.”

One public college female professor disagreed. She filed a Title IX complaint against UCLA challenging two workshops for women held by the campus Institute for Pure and Applied Mathematics.


The January “Women in Mathematics and Public Policy” workshop focused on cybersecurity and climate change and specified on a flier that “only women will be invited to participate.” The “Collaborative Workshop for Women in Mathematical Biology” was held in June to focus on biological and medical questions. Its flier specifically welcomed female but not male graduate students, recent PhDs and other researchers. The Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights notified the professor in May and August that it was launching an investigation into both workshops, which were supported with federal funds.

The professor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared retaliation, said she worked with UC professors to file the complaint to push back against what she described as an erosion of meritocracy and growing favoritism of women in the sciences. As a mentor to college students of all genders, she said, she sees more men becoming discouraged about their chances of success in the field.

In university hiring, a 2015 study by Cornell University found that hypothetical female applicants for tenure-track assistant professorships were favored, 2 to 1, over male counterparts.

“I obviously want women to be able to have opportunities to further their education and have employment in STEM, but I feel everything is being pushed for women,” she said. “For me, Title IX is about being completely fair.”

UCLA did not exclude men from participating in the two workshops despite the focus on women, campus spokesman Ricardo Vazquez said. Moreover, he added, the institute has held 59 workshops over the last three years and the “vast majority” of participants were men.

“The workshops, though funded in part by federal monies earmarked for the career advancement for women through research-focused networks, did not exclude men either actively or through de facto exclusion,” Vazquez said in a statement.

Other California campuses also denied allegations of sex discrimination. UC Berkeley, under federal review for running a “Girls in Engineering” summer camp for middle school students, said the program was open to all genders. Officials could not provide data on the gender breakdown of the 356 students who participated in the last three years except to say they were “overwhelmingly female.”

Berkeley spokeswoman Janet Gilmore said the university launched the camp more than five years ago to draw more females into the field — only 29% of students enrolled in the engineering college are women. She said Berkeley would change its marketing materials to make clear the summer camp was open to all genders. But the camp will remain known as “Girls in Engineering” in order to specifically invite girls to attend, she said.

Since the late 1990s, women have earned about half of all science and engineering bachelor’s degrees overall, but their achievements vary widely by field. In 2015, they received more than half of all undergraduate degrees in biological sciences, but only 18% in computer sciences and 20% in engineering, according to the National Science Foundation. Women made up more than half of the U.S. college-educated workforce but filled only 28% of science and engineering jobs, according to a report by the NSF in 2018.

Officials at UC Davis, which has been hit with a similar Title IX complaint, believe their STEM programs for middle and high school girls are permitted under 2006 federal rules that widened the door for single-sex K-12 education. Under that expansion, a school may run a single-sex program if it is substantially related to an “important objective” to improve educational achievements, said Sheila O’Rourke, senior campus counsel.

O’Rourke said UC Davis launched the programs in part because research shows that a critical time to spark girls’ interest in STEM fields is middle and high school years. UC Davis offers nearly 100 programs open to all K-12 students — its College of Education runs about 55 of them focused on STEM — and just a handful are geared toward girls, she said.

Mark Perry, a University of Michigan-Flint professor who filed the complaint against UC Davis and 52 other universities, said offering other programs to all students does not justify closing even one to one gender or another. Perry, a self-described libertarian, first tackled the issue in 2016 with a state civil rights complaint against a women-only lounge at Michigan State University and has since been on a “one-man mission” against what he calls “gender apartheid.”

Erin Buzuvis, a Title IX expert and law professor at Western New England University, said she questioned whether the recent surge in complaints about single-gender programs was motivated by a larger desire to attack Title IX. But she said it was appropriate to review sex-specific programs to see if they’ve become outdated as women have advanced in higher education. She added that attention should also be given to increasing men in such female-dominated fields as nursing and K-12 education.

“We need to be skeptical ... of any segregation projects,” she said, “because the risk of treating people unequally on the basis of sex is promoting stereotypes.”
08-24-2019 06:21 PM
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RE: US Dept of Education Opens Investigations Into Female STEM Admissions & Scholarships
All women should go back to the kitchen, that is their natural place. A woman in any male dominated space will seek to subvert, infiltrate, corrupt and manipulate. It is in their nature!
08-24-2019 10:25 PM
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Women are collectively realizing that with a few exceptions, STEM ain't where they want to be.

The same kind of reaction is going to happen for military service.
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Quote:Since the late 1990s, women have earned about half of all science and engineering bachelor’s degrees overall, but their achievements vary widely by field. In 2015, they received more than half of all undergraduate degrees in biological sciences, but only 18% in computer sciences and 20% in engineering, according to the National Science Foundation. Women made up more than half of the U.S. college-educated workforce but filled only 28% of science and engineering jobs, according to a report by the NSF in 2018.

Seems like it's easier to force universities to give women STEM degrees than it is to force companies to hire these women.

And, as KMK said, if they manage to get the STEM job, they quickly realize it's difficult, often tedious and sometimes boring.
08-25-2019 12:50 AM
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I don't think women need to just stay at home and be housewives but most women don't choose engineering majors even if the scholarships were unfair.
08-25-2019 01:17 AM
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(08-25-2019 12:50 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  And, as KMK said, if they manage to get the STEM job, they quickly realize it's difficult, often tedious and sometimes boring.

I work in the oil/gas industry, electrical engineering side. It's about as technical as one can get - the field is very old, and there is zero room for glossing over technical material. It must be understood completely which requires significant time investment. There is no fancy marketing, politics, literature, sales, etc. Just pure logic.

And that's why the vast majority of women fail at it. I love that part. They should stick to sales/medicine/law/business. Leave the technical jobs to men.
08-25-2019 02:19 AM
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Quote:“There’s a pretty well-organized and well-financed movement that is pushing out the false narrative that men are the victims of feminism,” said Martin, the center’s vice president for education and workplace justice. “The Trump administration has emboldened those trying to use this moment and this Department of Education as a weapon against women’s advancement.”


Financed by who you stupid bitch? What anti-feminist narrative if financed and organized?


It reminds me also of this meme of the "well-financed and organized" oppressor against the poor feminist rebels. The reality is that the only reason why it's making any progress is because we have truth on our side while they are just filled with crap and lies. It's akin to communist propaganda - everyone knew that they were only telling lies so they had to ban any dissenting opinions - and even then it did not help because 90% of the population knew that they were full of shit.

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It doesn't make sense to push American women into STEM in the first place since only 50% of STEM majors actually get STEM jobs due to the flood of diploma mill visa workers. Who knows how many of those 50% eventually get displaced by said visa workers as well.
08-25-2019 10:58 PM
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(08-24-2019 10:25 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  All women should go back to the kitchen, that is their natural place. A woman in any male dominated space will seek to subvert, infiltrate, corrupt and manipulate. It is in their nature!

Agree

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(08-24-2019 10:33 PM)KMK Wrote:  Women are collectively realizing that with a few exceptions, STEM ain't where they want to be.

The same kind of reaction is going to happen for military service.

Honestly I'm all for equality of opportunity, and something as contrived as "get back to the kitchen" strikes me as equally absurd as the current levels of promotion of women in STEM fields.

Having worked as an Oil and gas field engineer for one of the majors, I can tell you first hand the work is not fun. But on the other side of the coin, you get paid well, and go on cool adventures, and get big blocks of time off. Most people, regardless of sex aren't cut out for it, but less women than men.

Regardless, they had a target, which managers and recruiters would get bonuses for hitting, if they had 33% women in the field. This is roughly double the percentage that graduated in my Mech Eng class. To think that this alone isn't going give a huge advantage to women is ludicrous. Women were golden, as if one quit, it was literally dollars our of your pocket, so I've seen some pretty ridiculous accommodations for them. Not only this, but pretty much every major company since jumping on the equality bandwagon to show how non-sexist they are has similar targets. You simply can't have 1/3 females at every company, when only 1/6th are graduating, and on average have shorter career spans than men.

Study after study show that women flock to things like comfort, safety, and predictability more than men, and like the military many of these jobs simply don't operate with things like "normal working hours" or climate controlled comfort. Women could basically name their terms. I worked with some kick ass women who could easily hold their own, but one particular was the opposite of that. She ended up getting moved around 4 times to different bases at company expense in about 2 years because she had one issue or another with every place she worked. She eventually quit after realizing that her issues actually revolved around the fact that the hours were long, work conditions dirty, and jobs incredibly stressful. But like many people, they assume there's some golden goose of a job that has above average pay for below average hours and effort. They see the pay and travel opportunity, but then realize they don't want to work the 50 hour "days" that go with it. Any man with these issues save him being a superstar is basically told there's the door.

I was thinking about this the other day actually after seeing an ad for something similar for a mining company. I got into an active mine about 15 years ago, and damn near all the operation was mechanized then, so even more so now I'm sure. Physical strength is no longer a hindrance, so presumably the work force should be half female no? There's special hiring programs for them left, right and center, and presumably they also have no problem spending 12 hours a mile down with a billion tons of rock over their head, getting covered with sulpher bearing ore dust while never seeing the sun, so what's the hold back? Or maybe, just maybe, that no matter how much money you throw at them, most women actually will always have a problem with that.
08-26-2019 06:47 AM
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I was once like you, Seadog, but I no longer hold the same attitude as giving women chances. I, too, live in the STEM field and have seen women who are working with us. But I will not say they equal the output of the man around me. Even the highest performing one still had women tendencies that decreased her work, not by any fault but her own. In a field where logic and perfect concentration is required, I cannot trust a human that is not made for the sacrificing work STEM demands. At least in the kitchen, all you have to learn is how to operate a knife and a cleaning rag. Maybe wear an apron and nothing else for when I get home.
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(08-26-2019 06:47 AM)Seadog Wrote:  Honestly I'm all for equality of opportunity, and something as contrived as "get back to the kitchen" strikes me as equally absurd

It isn't contrived. For nearly all of human existence, it was reality, because it mirrors our natural abilities and instincts: Women for nurturing & "nesting", men for pursuing objectives and competing. The only thing that is contrived is the last 50 years of indoctrination that says 2 million years of evolution, going back to homo habilis, is "oppression". Fine, but if so, gravity is oppressing me, physics is oppressing me, all reality is oppressing me.
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There really is no excuse any longer for maintaining the delusion that women are equally capable as men. Women are vastly less strong than men, less physically capable in a wide range of ways. Women are also on average less intelligent than men, and their intelligence trends towards being more average. Women are more risk averse and are less likely to be innovative or demonstrate leadership.

A woman pretending to work is like a CEO in a reality TV show pretending to be one of his own underlings. He might put a show on, and occasionally contribute, but at the end of the day he can still take his disguise off anytime he likes and go back to another life. Women don't have nearly the need or drive to work hard when it's required, or to make sacrifices to advance in a job.
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Women work less hours and care less because money is less valuable for them.

Money simply doesn't increase their SMV the way it does for men so they have less incentive to suffer for it - period.
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