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10 reasons you should never get a job
Years ago when I was at the worst point of my life after an ugly divorce and working a job I couldn't stand, this article really helped me move forward. Now I am self-employed and won't have it any other way.

Quote:1. Income for dummies
Getting a job and trading your time for money may seem like a good idea. There’s only one problem with it. It’s stupid! It’s the stupidest way you can possibly generate income! This is truly income for dummies.

Why is getting a job so dumb? Because you only get paid when you’re working. Don’t you see a problem with that, or have you been so thoroughly brainwashed into thinking it’s reasonable and intelligent to only earn income when you’re working? Have you never considered that it might be better to be paid even when you’re not working? Who taught you that you could only earn income while working? Some other brainwashed employee perhaps?

Don’t you think your life would be much easier if you got paid while you were eating, sleeping, and playing with the kids too? Why not get paid 24/7? Get paid whether you work or not. Don’t your plants grow even when you aren’t tending to them? Why not your bank account?

Who cares how many hours you work? Only a handful of people on this entire planet care how much time you spend at the office. Most of us won’t even notice whether you work 6 hours a week or 60. But if you have something of value to provide that matters to us, a number of us will be happy to pull out our wallets and pay you for it. We don’t care about your time — we only care enough to pay for the value we receive. Do you really care how long it took me to write this article? Would you pay me twice as much if it took me 6 hours vs. only 3?

Non-dummies often start out on the traditional income for dummies path. So don’t feel bad if you’re just now realizing you’ve been suckered. Non-dummies eventually realize that trading time for money is indeed extremely dumb and that there must be a better way. And of course there is a better way. The key is to de-couple your value from your time.

Smart people build systems that generate income 24/7, especially passive income. This can include starting a business, building a web site, becoming an investor, or generating royalty income from creative work. The system delivers the ongoing value to people and generates income from it, and once it’s in motion, it runs continuously whether you tend to it or not. From that moment on, the bulk of your time can be invested in increasing your income (by refining your system or spawning new ones) instead of merely maintaining your income.

This web site is an example of such a system. At the time of this writing, it generates about $9000 a month in income for me (update: $40,000 a month as of 10/31/06), and it isn’t my only income stream either. I write each article just once (fixed time investment), and people can extract value from them year after year. The web server delivers the value, and other systems (most of which I didn’t even build and don’t even understand) collect income and deposit it automatically into my bank account. It’s not perfectly passive, but I love writing and would do it for free anyway. But of course it cost me a lot of money to launch this business, right? Um, yeah, $9 is an awful lot these days (to register the domain name). Everything after that was profit.

Sure it takes some upfront time and effort to design and implement your own income-generating systems. But you don’t have to reinvent the wheel — feel free to use existing systems like ad networks and affiliate programs. Once you get going, you won’t have to work so many hours to support yourself. Wouldn’t it be nice to be out having dinner with your spouse, knowing that while you’re eating, you’re earning money? If you want to keep working long hours because you enjoy it, go right ahead. If you want to sit around doing nothing, feel free. As long as your system continues delivering value to others, you’ll keep getting paid whether you’re working or not.

Your local bookstore is filled with books containing workable systems others have already designed, tested, and debugged. Nobody is born knowing how to start a business or generate investment income, but you can easily learn it. How long it takes you to figure it out is irrelevant because the time is going to pass anyway. You might as well emerge at some future point as the owner of income-generating systems as opposed to a lifelong wage slave. This isn’t all or nothing. If your system only generates a few hundred dollars a month, that’s a significant step in the right direction.

2. Limited experience
You might think it’s important to get a job to gain experience. But that’s like saying you should play golf to get experience playing golf. You gain experience from living, regardless of whether you have a job or not. A job only gives you experience at that job, but you gain “experience” doing just about anything, so that’s no real benefit at all. Sit around doing nothing for a couple years, and you can call yourself an experienced meditator, philosopher, or politician.

The problem with getting experience from a job is that you usually just repeat the same limited experience over and over. You learn a lot in the beginning and then stagnate. This forces you to miss other experiences that would be much more valuable. And if your limited skill set ever becomes obsolete, then your experience won’t be worth squat. In fact, ask yourself what the experience you’re gaining right now will be worth in 20-30 years. Will your job even exist then?

Consider this. Which experience would you rather gain? The knowledge of how to do a specific job really well — one that you can only monetize by trading your time for money — or the knowledge of how to enjoy financial abundance for the rest of your life without ever needing a job again? Now I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have the latter experience. That seems a lot more useful in the real world, wouldn’t you say?

3. Lifelong domestication
Getting a job is like enrolling in a human domestication program. You learn how to be a good pet.

Look around you. Really look. What do you see? Are these the surroundings of a free human being? Or are you living in a cage for unconscious animals? Have you fallen in love with the color beige?

How’s your obedience training coming along? Does your master reward your good behavior? Do you get disciplined if you fail to obey your master’s commands?

Is there any spark of free will left inside you? Or has your conditioning made you a pet for life?

Humans are not meant to be raised in cages. You poor thing…

4. Too many mouths to feed
Employee income is the most heavily taxed there is. In the USA you can expect that about half your salary will go to taxes. The tax system is designed to disguise how much you’re really giving up because some of those taxes are paid by your employer, and some are deducted from your paycheck. But you can bet that from your employer’s perspective, all of those taxes are considered part of your pay, as well as any other compensation you receive such as benefits. Even the rent for the office space you consume is considered, so you must generate that much more value to cover it. You might feel supported by your corporate environment, but keep in mind that you’re the one paying for it.

Another chunk of your income goes to owners and investors. That’s a lot of mouths to feed.

It isn’t hard to understand why employees pay the most in taxes relative to their income. After all, who has more control over the tax system? Business owners and investors or employees?

You only get paid a fraction of the real value you generate. Your real salary may be more than triple what you’re paid, but most of that money you’ll never see. It goes straight into other people’s pockets.

What a generous person you are!

5. Way too risky
Many employees believe getting a job is the safest and most secure way to support themselves.

Morons.

Social conditioning is amazing. It’s so good it can even make people believe the exact opposite of the truth.

Does putting yourself in a position where someone else can turn off all your income just by saying two words (“You’re fired”) sound like a safe and secure situation to you? Does having only one income stream honestly sound more secure than having 10?

The idea that a job is the most secure way to generate income is just silly. You can’t have security if you don’t have control, and employees have the least control of anyone. If you’re an employee, then your real job title should be professional gambler.

6. Having an evil bovine master
When you run into an idiot in the entrepreneurial world, you can turn around and head the other way. When you run into an idiot in the corporate world, you have to turn around and say, “Sorry, boss.”

Did you know that the word boss comes from the Dutch word baas, which historically means master? Another meaning of the word boss is “a cow or bovine.” And in many video games, the boss is the evil dude that you have to kill at the end of a level.

So if your boss is really your evil bovine master, then what does that make you? Nothing but a turd in the herd.

Who’s your daddy?

7. Begging for money
When you want to increase your income, do you have to sit up and beg your master for more money? Does it feel good to be thrown some extra Scooby Snacks now and then?

Or are you free to decide how much you get paid without needing anyone’s permission but your own?

If you have a business and one customer says “no” to you, you simply say “next.”

8. An inbred social life
Many people treat their jobs as their primary social outlet. They hang out with the same people working in the same field. Such incestuous relations are social dead ends. An exciting day includes deep conversations about the company’s switch from Sparkletts to Arrowhead, the delay of Microsoft’s latest operating system, and the unexpected delivery of more Bic pens. Consider what it would be like to go outside and talk to strangers. Ooooh… scary! Better stay inside where it’s safe.

If one of your co-slaves gets sold to another master, do you lose a friend? If you work in a male-dominated field, does that mean you never get to talk to women above the rank of receptionist? Why not decide for yourself whom to socialize with instead of letting your master decide for you? Believe it or not, there are locations on this planet where free people congregate. Just be wary of those jobless folk — they’re a crazy bunch!

9. Loss of freedom
It takes a lot of effort to tame a human being into an employee. The first thing you have to do is break the human’s independent will. A good way to do this is to give them a weighty policy manual filled with nonsensical rules and regulations. This leads the new employee to become more obedient, fearing that s/he could be disciplined at any minute for something incomprehensible. Thus, the employee will likely conclude it’s safest to simply obey the master’s commands without question. Stir in some office politics for good measure, and we’ve got a freshly minted mind slave.

As part of their obedience training, employees must be taught how to dress, talk, move, and so on. We can’t very well have employees thinking for themselves, now can we? That would ruin everything.

God forbid you should put a plant on your desk when it’s against the company policy. Oh no, it’s the end of the world! Cindy has a plant on her desk! Summon the enforcers! Send Cindy back for another round of sterility training!

Free human beings think such rules and regulations are silly of course. The only policy they need is: “Be smart. Be nice. Do what you love. Have fun.”

10. Becoming a coward
Have you noticed that employed people have an almost endless capacity to whine about problems at their companies? But they don’t really want solutions — they just want to vent and make excuses why it’s all someone else’s fault. It’s as if getting a job somehow drains all the free will out of people and turns them into spineless cowards. If you can’t call your boss a jerk now and then without fear of getting fired, you’re no longer free. You’ve become your master’s property.

When you work around cowards all day long, don’t you think it’s going to rub off on you? Of course it will. It’s only a matter of time before you sacrifice the noblest parts of your humanity on the altar of fear: first courage… then honesty… then honor and integrity… and finally your independent will. You sold your humanity for nothing but an illusion. And now your greatest fear is discovering the truth of what you’ve become.

I don’t care how badly you’ve been beaten down. It is never too late to regain your courage. Never!

Still want a job?

https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/0...get-a-job/
08-25-2019 06:11 PM
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RE: 10 reasons you should never get a job
Thanks Romulus, now post some ideas other than having a job
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RE: 10 reasons you should never get a job
You can find your own ideas without my personal help if you are unhappy with your employment situation.
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Article is good, it covers many points in "rich dad, poor dad" and It's written in such a condescending way it feels like I wrote it.
08-25-2019 11:47 PM
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(08-25-2019 11:47 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Article is good, it covers many points in "rich dad, poor dad" and It's written in such a condescending way it feels like I wrote it.

Heh. Steve Pavlina had some good content, I have no doubt. I happened to see his social media a while ago and it turns out he's a literal cuck. And proud.

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Actually, I do not use any kind of social media and have rejected it from the start. The guy does have some good content indeed and has made a lot of money following his own advice. The thing with most of these motivational guys is that they make all their money from motivational speaking instead of actually telling you what to do and how to do it. Pavlina actually gives you a lot of very useful and applicable information. I have increased my wealth and happiness with some of his tips but yeah, he can be a bit too "free".
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(08-25-2019 11:47 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Article is good, it covers many points in "rich dad, poor dad" and It's written in such a condescending way...

I actually respect that. When you no longer answer to the man, you talk as you would please. No one tells you how much money you are allowed to make so why should you care if people think you are a dick? haha!
08-26-2019 02:12 AM
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RE: 10 reasons you should never get a job
I strongly disagree. The most fundamental law of finance is that reward is inversely correlated with risk. By happily accepting less risk of variability in your income, you get the security of a steady pay check, and needn't concern yourself with short term flucuations of the business, less stress, and less hassles in general. There are many, many times where that sort of security is worth the lessened returns.

This sort of article is somewhat useless. You've basically just said a dozen different ways that it's better to have a million dollar stock portfolio/small business someone else manages/Real Estate empire someone else manages, so that you can sit back and collect $50k tax advantaged income while not doing any heavy lifting vs selling women's shoes. No shit.

Case in point, I have probably about 10 friends along side myself who are doing well financially and could easily weather a decade with no employment income. The majority got there by having jobs. That is hands down the fastest and most certain way to accumulate significant assets out of school when you have none, or worse, significant debt. One you have that 6 figure nest egg, then you can worry about replacing earned income with passive. Mind you, this isn't easy, and these aren't $12/hr jobs at a car wash. These are professional level jobs where you will bust your ass, often work 100 hour weeks, many or which are away from home, but can lead to $200k+ salaries 5-10 years out of school (medical sales, IP lawyers, Oil & gas engineering, Investment banking etc). As long as you don't blow it all on stupid stuff and continue living like a normal person, you almost can't help but wind up with close to a million by mid 30s. You definitely put in your time and dues to get there though.

These sorts of jobs you can start with nothing aside from aside from intellectual capital and drive, and after a few years almost become more of a partner who is somewhat invested in the success of the company through performance bonuses, stock options etc. than employee who simply clocks out after his 8 and never thinks about work again until 16 hours later.

That said, my two friends who are doing the absolute best now, about 20 years out of high school did indeed start companies. One literally started with nothing mowing lawns at 17, reinvested, worked a ton, bought some equipment, expanded, higher guys, worked, worked worked, often 7 days a week 12-16 hr days. First 10 years were rough, lived like a pauper to invest in the business. Finnnnaly now after close to 2 decades he can sit back a bit. He built something great, but to get there was the exact antithesis of what you're talking about "getting paid while doing no work", and I'm not even sure how that pathway could materialize for an 18 yo other than this exact path he took. But he probably did 50 years of normal 40 hr weeks in those 20 years, and it took a toll on his family and social lives, not to mention I'm sure health, stress, never being off the clock etc.

Now the counter point. While those 2 friends are doing great, other entrepreneur friends are also the ones who are doing the absolute worst. Several years in, can't cover bills, every credit card maxed out, eeking out a survival salary so they don't starve, culminating ultimately in bankruptcy. Now they have no credit, a decent, respectable story for taking a shot, but are back doing the wage slave thing, but starting from not much above where us other "employee suckers" were 15 years ago.

From my perspective, the key point isn't deciding whether to work for yourself or someone else; it's that you need to bust your ass regardless, become so valuable that who pays you (employer or the public) must keep on paying you more. Live well below your means, invest in either our own company or other income generating assets until you don't need to work anymore.

And that's my whole issue with this whole post, you talk like there's some magic company you can start and be on easy street 6 months later. Yes it's better to get paid while not working, but to get a living wage requires an asset(s) worth ~$1m. What's the path way from broke ass high school/college grad, to a million dollar company/stocks/RE that doesn't involve tremendous hard work, sacrifice and a bit of risk? - The very thing you're espousing.

Ultimately I agree you want to get to a place where passive income pays the bills, but to say that no one anywhere should *ever* get a job seems myopic in the extreme.
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(08-26-2019 01:30 AM)RawGod Wrote:  
(08-25-2019 11:47 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Article is good, it covers many points in "rich dad, poor dad" and It's written in such a condescending way it feels like I wrote it.

Heh. Steve Pavlina had some good content, I have no doubt. I happened to see his social media a while ago and it turns out he's a literal cuck. And proud.

I doubt the content - sounds like a wannabe Tim Ferriss. But the cuck part he flat out admits. From the About section of his blog:

Quote:As my marriage concluded, I began exploring alternative relationship styles. I found the fluidity and flexibility of open relationships appealing. I'm not a jealous person, so exploring intimacy with other like-minded people seemed like a promising path to travel next, and it was indeed. Since 2010 I’ve been enjoying an open relationship with my girlfriend (now my wife as of April 2018). This has been a beautiful way to balance the love and intimacy of a long-term relationship with the flexibility, spontaneity, and playfulness of short-term connections.
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If you're still willing to look past that, type his name into a search engine and see how fast "scam" pops up right afterward. I'd find better mentors who can walk the walk rather than talk the cuck.

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(08-26-2019 07:14 PM)Seadog Wrote:  That said, my two friends who are doing the absolute best now, about 20 years out of high school did indeed start companies. One literally started with nothing mowing lawns at 17, reinvested, worked a ton, bought some equipment, expanded, higher guys, worked, worked worked, often 7 days a week 12-16 hr days. First 10 years were rough, lived like a pauper to invest in the business. Finnnnaly now after close to 2 decades he can sit back a bit.
Well, that is good for him if he likes it but that is not for me. Too much time and too much work and no freedom

(08-28-2019 05:23 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  If you're still willing to look past that, type his name into a search engine and see how fast "scam" pops up right afterward. I'd find better mentors who can walk the walk rather than talk the cuck.
He is not my mentor and I don't know anything about him besides that one article he wrote that was inspirational to me. What you are doing is creating a genetic fallacy. Just because he might not be a good guy in real life does not mean something he writes is not good or correct. John Lennon was an ass in real life but does that invalidate his music and lyrics?
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Dude, you gotta chill with all these new threads. I'm sure you're enthusiastic about these topics but it seems a lot of members don't share the same sentiments.

Lurk more before you spam the forum with clickbait.
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(08-29-2019 04:08 AM)newlife Wrote:  
(08-26-2019 07:14 PM)Seadog Wrote:  That said, my two friends who are doing the absolute best now, about 20 years out of high school did indeed start companies. One literally started with nothing mowing lawns at 17, reinvested, worked a ton, bought some equipment, expanded, higher guys, worked, worked worked, often 7 days a week 12-16 hr days. First 10 years were rough, lived like a pauper to invest in the business. Finnnnaly now after close to 2 decades he can sit back a bit.
Well, that is good for him if he likes it but that is not for me. Too much time and too much work and no freedom

Right, but now he's in his mid 30's sitting on 7 figures of assets so it worked out. As others' have proposed, what's the alternative path to get there? Coding over the internet? Yes you're "self-employed" but hardly living the "let other people work for you" mantra.

Without commenting on any of the finer points, you're basically saying the way to the land of milk and honey is:

-Start a business (where does seed capital come from?, At the outset, who sets it up and how do they get paid? Why would someone invest in you if you're only interested in letting other people work? Why would they even invest their time/money in some 18 yo out of HS with no life experience or track record?)

-Let others do the work (how do they get paid? Where did the contracts/customers come from since you're not doing the actual work? How did the business infrastructure and reputation develop?, Why are these people working for you vs going it alone? What specifically are you bringing to the table if not labour or capital?)

There's really only two paths there as far as I can tell. Either make a ton of money in conventional employment and buy someone else's contacts/infrastructure/intellectual property/equipment in the form of stocks or a small business, or develop all of that yourself slowly over the long haul. Both paths require a ton of work.
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I started off with one hotdog cart in LA that cost me $3500 and a soda vending machine. 3 weeks later I bought my second cart and had my friend kid brother work it. There is some prep before and clean up after but between that and going Costco twice a week to get supplies, worked about 40+ hours a week. The only time you can sell hot dogs is M-F 11am to 1:30pm and the 5-8pm. The weekends you have to find events such as card dealership stuff. It takes much less seed capital than you think to start something.

Seadog, if you decided that being an employee is the safest best for you then more power to you.
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I've worked in IT for the past 17 years and find it 'OK', it's a career I fell into rather than for the love of tech.

A few years ago I found a side hustle through an acquaintance and made a lot more through this than my day job. Sadly this is petering out due to regulation changes in the UK.

With the job and side hustle I;ve been working 60/70 hours a week minimum for the past few years non-stop.

I'd like to start a proper business but have no idea where to start. I'm more of a work horse than a creative type. Addictive personality, very strong levels of resilience and work ethic compared to most.

I'm considering stopping the side hustle if the value continues to drop and focus my energy on either climbing the corporate ladder or attempt to get some kind of business going.

Corp route seems slightly depressing as you have to put up with politics and the usual cr4p that comes with working in an office, but I'm not sure how realistic the business option is for myself.

I'll be 40 next year, so the high paying careers listed above - Dr, Lawyer etc are out of the question as well.
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(08-29-2019 04:08 AM)newlife Wrote:  He is not my mentor and I don't know anything about him besides that one article he wrote that was inspirational to me. What you are doing is creating a genetic fallacy. Just because he might not be a good guy in real life does not mean something he writes is not good or correct. John Lennon was an ass in real life but does that invalidate his music and lyrics?

A) What I am doing is pointing out that character matters. Doubly so when it comes to jorts wearing cucks giving advice over a meandering blog. It may have something to do with genetics but I never alleged that.

B) John Lennon sucked the minute the Beatles broke up.

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(08-29-2019 10:47 AM)B80 Wrote:  I've worked in IT for the past 17 years and find it 'OK', it's a career I fell into rather than for the love of tech.

A few years ago I found a side hustle through an acquaintance and made a lot more through this than my day job. Sadly this is petering out due to regulation changes in the UK.

With the job and side hustle I;ve been working 60/70 hours a week minimum for the past few years non-stop.

I'd like to start a proper business but have no idea where to start. I'm more of a work horse than a creative type. Addictive personality, very strong levels of resilience and work ethic compared to most.

I'm considering stopping the side hustle if the value continues to drop and focus my energy on either climbing the corporate ladder or attempt to get some kind of business going.

Corp route seems slightly depressing as you have to put up with politics and the usual cr4p that comes with working in an office, but I'm not sure how realistic the business option is for myself.

I'll be 40 next year, so the high paying careers listed above - Dr, Lawyer etc are out of the question as well.

Ask around. There are people here who could maybe help you come up with something. I've been trying for a long time myself. Think about what you're good at, what you like doing, and how you can turn it into a product or service. Start the brainstorming process now. Check out the link in my signature, I've put together lots of possibly useful resources that might help you get started.

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(08-29-2019 05:46 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 04:08 AM)newlife Wrote:  He is not my mentor and I don't know anything about him besides that one article he wrote that was inspirational to me. What you are doing is creating a genetic fallacy. Just because he might not be a good guy in real life does not mean something he writes is not good or correct. John Lennon was an ass in real life but does that invalidate his music and lyrics?

A) What I am doing is pointing out that character matters. Doubly so when it comes to jorts wearing cucks giving advice over a meandering blog. It may have something to do with genetics but I never alleged that.

B) John Lennon sucked the minute the Beatles broke up.
Again, I am not saying character doesn’t. I don’t want to be friends with many assholes but I do admire some of their accomplishments

(08-29-2019 10:47 AM)B80 Wrote:  I've worked in IT for the past 17 years and find it 'OK', it's a career I fell into rather than for the love of tech.

A few years ago I found a side hustle through an acquaintance and made a lot more through this than my day job. Sadly this is petering out due to regulation changes in the UK.

With the job and side hustle I;ve been working 60/70 hours a week minimum for the past few years non-stop.

I was in your position for even more years than you. Everyday before coming into the office I had to take a deep breath. And one day, I said enough is enough. I am not a slave and life is too short.

This morning I am sitting in a cafe typing this to you after 9 hours or great sleep and have no schedule for the day. The idea of going out on your own is only scary to think about but not to do. I wish you luck and am here to help if I can.

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(08-29-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Ask around. There are people here who could maybe help you come up with something. I've been trying for a long time myself. Think about what you're good at, what you like doing, and how you can turn it into a product or service. Start the brainstorming process now. Check out the link in my signature, I've put together lots of possibly useful resources that might help you get started.

Vlad, I respect you but I do not respect this advice. The worst thing I was taught in college is to follow my passion and I will be fine. Only less than 1% of us can do this since what if we are no good at what we like or that our passion is too hard to monetize or even worse, what’s if there are only 5 million others who have the same passion? NEVER follow your passion, follow the opportunity but ALWAYS bring your passion with you!
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(08-29-2019 08:03 PM)newlife Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Ask around. There are people here who could maybe help you come up with something. I've been trying for a long time myself. Think about what you're good at, what you like doing, and how you can turn it into a product or service. Start the brainstorming process now. Check out the link in my signature, I've put together lots of possibly useful resources that might help you get started.

Vlad, I respect you but I do not respect this advice. The worst thing I was taught in college is to follow my passion and I will be fine. Only less than 1% of us can do this since what if we are no good at what we like or that our passion is too hard to monetize or even worse, what’s if there are only 5 million others who have the same passion? NEVER follow your passion, follow the opportunity but ALWAYS bring your passion with you!

Oh no, I didn't mean it in a hippy "hey maaan, do what you like and the money will come" way. It's just that people are more likely to stick to things that they're either good at, or enjoy, or both. If you can turn something into a realistic, lucrative business then great, but if not, it should be abandoned no matter how much you love it. But ideally a business should be based on something that will not only make money, but also be satisfying and make good use of a strength or talent.

Not that I'm an expert, but I would also advise him to find out what is making money for other people (what is working, what is realistic), and pick one of those things, the one he likes the most, and maybe start there.

By the way seeing my username on your screen in that photo made me feel like I was actually there for a moment. It makes me even more keen to get my act together so I can travel.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(08-30-2019 03:24 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 08:03 PM)newlife Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Ask around. There are people here who could maybe help you come up with something. I've been trying for a long time myself. Think about what you're good at, what you like doing, and how you can turn it into a product or service. Start the brainstorming process now. Check out the link in my signature, I've put together lots of possibly useful resources that might help you get started.

Vlad, I respect you but I do not respect this advice. The worst thing I was taught in college is to follow my passion and I will be fine. Only less than 1% of us can do this since what if we are no good at what we like or that our passion is too hard to monetize or even worse, what’s if there are only 5 million others who have the same passion? NEVER follow your passion, follow the opportunity but ALWAYS bring your passion with you!

Oh no, I didn't mean it in a hippy "hey maaan, do what you like and the money will come" way. It's just that people are more likely to stick to things that they're either good at, or enjoy, or both. If you can turn something into a realistic, lucrative business then great, but if not, it should be abandoned no matter how much you love it. But ideally a business should be based on something that will not only make money, but also be satisfying and make good use of a strength or talent.

Not that I'm an expert, but I would also advise him to find out what is making money for other people (what is working, what is realistic), and pick one of those things, the one he likes the most, and maybe start there.

I agree. My advice is to make the money first and then use that money to pursue any kind of interests, hobbies or passion you want. Who knows, you might find something that you are really good at and will turn it into your life's work but none of that will be possible if you can't afford to see it through.

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Newlife, yes I agree. By the way I noticed some time ago someone told you to lay off making so many threads, either that or they said something about the types of threads you started. I can't remember exactly. I think you've got your head screwed on and I wouldn't want to see you get banned, so just be a bit careful. I myself had a shaky start here but somehow I managed to get past it. Maybe my username is just so amazing that it would break a moderator's heart to get rid of me.

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Dude, keep your fingernails trimmed. That's gross.
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It's scary for us to branch out on their own when we've been groomed to work a nine to five since five. Thankfully we have people that are willing to help us out of that hellhole on the internet.

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Probably one of the stupidest articles out there. It's marketing, short and simple, to make more naive people believe they can stop working.

Truth is that you can gain valuable experience from working. The more people you work with the more the value. The more professional the environment the more the value. The more skilled people you're around the more the value. These are sometimes the same individuals that will open their own shop or own and/or manage another company. Good people to know.

Over many years of work experience you can deduce cold hard facts about work environments and treating employees that you will otherwise screw up if you leave and start your own gig.

That being said if you're passionate about an idea or concept, go for it if you have the balls but don't expect some theories from this article to guide you. You will need to figure shit out on your own, piss people off in the process and learn the hard way. That's okay but most people are not cut out for it.

On the surface these threads can seem useful but it's just laziness disguised into a package of bullshit.

There are too many skilled professions you absolutely will gain nothing but valuable experience from. Don't be a pussy.

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(08-30-2019 04:57 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Probably one of the stupidest articles out there. It's marketing, short and simple, to make more naive people believe they can stop working.

Truth is that you can gain valuable experience from working. The more people you work with the more the value. The more professional the environment the more the value. The more skilled people you're around the more the value. These are sometimes the same individuals that will open their own shop or own and/or manage another company. Good people to know.

Over many years of work experience you can deduce cold hard facts about work environments and treating employees that you will otherwise screw up if you leave and start your own gig.

That being said if you're passionate about an idea or concept, go for it if you have the balls but don't expect some theories from this article to guide you. You will need to figure shit out on your own, piss people off in the process and learn the hard way. That's okay but most people are not cut out for it.

On the surface these threads can seem useful but it's just laziness disguised into a package of bullshit.

There are too many skilled professions you absolutely will gain nothing but valuable experience from. Don't be a pussy.

I can see where it seems like a lazy pov, but I feel like the article comes from a low-skilled labor point of view. If you don't have a skill that you can take out on your own, a skill where you can be easily replaced or a skill that might soon be worthless (driving jobs...) then you're fucked. An underwater welder is a lot harder to replace than a guy flipping burgers at McDonald's. Having multiple sources of income is always a plus too.

Trading time for money for sure isn't the worst thing in the world, as long as it's top dollar you're trading your time for. The far better plan is to get paid based on results though.

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