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Can confirm Peruanas and the speed at which their feelings will escalate for you. Wasn’t there long enough to see how that would materialize but there were several good looking women who said they couldn’t wait for me to visit again so they could cook for me. I was floored. I can count on 2 hands the number of times my ex-wife cooked for me in 3 years.

Can anyone confirm how divorce typically plays out for men in countries like Peru/Chile/etc?
09-14-2019 01:40 PM
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(09-14-2019 11:13 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 11:09 PM)Cortés Wrote:  With the trip I did, my idea eventually once I have some income stream is to find a small south American town with a religious population. Buy land/house and a truck. Spend significant time there, make friends go to church and become a part of the community, and you will eventually come across a good woman.

This is the kind of idea that is smart, actionable, and something most people won't do = success. Why won't most do it? It's dependent on time, discipline, and has the right priorities assigned to it.

The issue with almost all of the "traveling" and arbitrage of women ideas on the forum is that it takes time. I think everyone knows this deep down and understands it, but too many are focused on short term gains, being from the West. Especially in 2020, it increasingly won't work that way. If you want quality and don't want to "pay."

I put alot of thought into how I want my life to be within the next ten years or so. I'm trying the make this plan happen, leading to real fulfillment in life. Finding a wife and raising children in today's world will be difficult, but I think it's still very possible.

I think alot of guys on this forum are rather pessimistic about the quality of women out there. It's mostly about how you go about finding them. Because this forum had been mostly focused on notch count for so long, the ways that most dudes went about it put them in contact with girls who arent traditionally minded, no matter where in the globe

For example, in the last 5 years, most dudes looking to get theirs would use tinder. Girls who are looking for something similar to what her grandparents had are not on tinder. So then you're only meeting girls who talk about their career, spend every open moment on Instagram, this giving a dismal outlook.

Even in the west, there are good women to be found. Its definitely true that there are less of them than there used to be, but if you put some effort towards it, you can find her. You probably aren't going to meet her by cold approaching her after Mass and going for the insta-date. If youre in that church every Sunday, participating and meeting people in the church, then your chances have skyrocketed.

Also I think it's important to plan to move (or at least spend significant time in) your wife's country. My former 55y/o boss married a 22y/o Dominican girl and brought her to the states. On paper, the marriage should have worked out-he was in great shape, very masculine, nice house and car, and made great money. However it failed within a year of her arriving to the states. He worked 60+ hours per week while she sat at home bored and alone for a year before she had his kid. She wanted to start working. He tells me that while dating, she wanted to be a home maker, raise the kids, cook etc. But her Dominican friends in USA changed her, on top of that they hardly saw each other!

I think it would be much better to figure out a way to stay in the country of your wife. It's a priority for me to really like the country I would find my wife. Life in the US wears on me, and keeping your wife around her family and upbringing will be ideal to making sure she doesn't change for the worse

Edit- Hot take: don't give too much weight on divorce laws in the country of choice. Going into it with that mindset will start off on the wrong foot. Chances are in the event of divorce you would be better off than in the west anyways. Keep most of your assets outside of that country and nothing bad will happen

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RE: Best Countries to Get Married
Imho, you should live in the country and have normal relationships with local friends. If you do send her money, video calls and visit once every month or more, it’s not a typical relationship. Imho, you need to see the person regularly, see their ups and downs of daily life.

Reading and researching is great, so at least you can narrow the places down. However, spending time in said countries is another step. Only YOU can answer which country is the best for YOU.
09-29-2019 11:08 AM
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I think that I sort of have the best of a few possibilities. I am a Canadian ex-pat living in China and married to a Filipina. I met my wife online but she was working, one city over, rather than being in the Philippines. We got married in Hong Kong a there is no residence requirements.

A sample size of one has its limits, but Filipinas are known for their traditional outlook on marriage. Filipinos in general are fairly westernized - in the good ways. On an individual level, my wife had the wherewithal to travel overseas to make more money and by the time we met she was constructing a house back in PH.

The Philippines itself has no divorce laws (although I have heard there is something in the works) so the only option is a long, drawn-out and complicated annulment procedure. AFAIK, no Chinese court will accept a divorce application from a pair of foreigners who are not permanent residents, and Canadian courts have a residence requirement to apply for divorce. Not sure about Hong Kong, but there seems to be no way to actually get divorced under current circumstances, even if we both agreed to it.

The province in China where we live has a GDP/capita about 4 times that of the Philippines, and a good 30% higher than Manila. I live in the suburbs of the provincial capital which probably has a standard of living even higher than that. I teach ESL and, after a few years of doing it, make reasonably good money. Plus, I don't actually work that hard so I am looking at making money on the side in a location-independent manner to have something when I leave China several years down the road. There just isn't any similar job market in the Philippines. Meanwhile, Chinese women have their upside but you are still facing a higher, steeper cultural and language barrier.

I am two years into the marriage and now have a two-week old baby, so ask me again how it all works out in another 15 to 20 years. ;-) It seems like a good deal overall, but frankly if circumstances were different I would not have moved so quickly into getting married and having a kid.

And of course, if six-foot blondes are your thing, then EE is a better option and this is more for LBFM lovers.

Still, anyone wanting to explore a similar route can find themselves a gig in Guangzhou or thereabouts as there is a large Filipino community in that area.
09-29-2019 11:06 PM
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Career is the biggest limiting factor for going overseas for wife hunting. There's no way I would be paid the same overseas as I am making now.
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Having a good job stateside and reaching out through the internet to find a foreign wife is at least as hit or miss as finding an American chick who is worth the effort presently but won't divorce rape you in the future. You have perhaps five options as I see it.

First is that you are relatively young and get into the ESL game long enough to find the right girl.

Second is to build a location independent business that you can run anywhere with an internet connection. You only need about a thousand a month to support yourself outside of North America, Western Europe or ANZ.

Third is to cultivate skills that can land you an overseas job. You can get this from international sales or in coding (I met a bunch of ex-pats from all over in Shanghai who worked for Ubisoft). There are other possibilities but I can't pinpoint them here.

Fourth is that you could just fall into it like I did. I started teaching economics and that morphed into teaching English. It's different than the first option because I have more experience and get paid better, and it is different than the third option because it was completely unintentional.

The fifth is to work your ass off for 10 years or so and bank at least $100k but preferably $1MM. Without daytrading, a quarter million in a market index fund would allow you to pull about fifteen hundred a month over the long term. As with the second option, you will have enough to move about in a modest fashion to find what you are looking for.
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RE: Best Countries to Get Married
sorry for my English. not my first language.

Just in order to set up some criteria for a "good" country.. first I would not take in consideration the number of divorce or ratio of marriage/divorce :
1- some countries with good family values do have a high number of divorce (ex : Russia)
2- divorce can happen for many reasons other than promescuity (like war, shity economy..)

in my viewpoint, here some good indications :
- number of sexual partners for women in the country before marriage (negative corelation)
- how much society tolerate deviant sexualities and homo (negative corelation)
- promiscuity between gender : do women tend to gather with other women or do you see a mixte crowd of "friends" including married women ? (again, negative corelation)
- is divorce advantageous for women in that country ? (alimony, status of a single mother..)
- do women tend to marry early in that country ?

I live in France and I would say that this country is one of the worst places to get married :
- women marry late : you can spot many 37 or 38 years old women still travelling, partying and getting crazy about italians.. while day dreaming about how they can always have babies or adopt later.
- Cuckoldry : high to the roof. There was a website called "Gleeden" with this business model of "extra marital encounters" (how about that) .. France was the first nationality in Europe. 1 million French subscribed on it!
- promiscuity : everywhere. women having lunch with their male "friend", kisses in the cheek between collegues, sexy jokes in the workplace..
- lack of honor : French people ignore honor. they don't feel jaleousy and they don't mind seeing their mums or sisters having extremely decadent way of life. they confuse freedom with subversion.
- globohomo : gay pride, gender theory in schools, prints and commercials with dudes embracing.. you name it. it's getting worse each year.


good countries : Russia for sure, Poland, Greece..
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I believe the Middle East
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I think it's more nuanced too look at countryside vs. city life, than it is about just looking at the countries.

You have tons of crazy feminists in Scandinavia but if you go up North in for example Sweden you'll find many women in their early 20's who have kids with their high school sweetheart. And Hungary might sound good on paper but many women in Budapest are influenced by all this social media lifestyle there too. In the same way I would speculate that there are some villages in the US where it's possible to find more quality even though the cities seem to be filled of low quality women.
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Certain countries I visited when i was very young so I won't mention those.

In the past 5 years I have spent 14 weeks in Peru, 6 weeks in Colombia and 12 weeks in Chile. I live in Australia and have been to New Zealand twice so I will mention those countries too.

Here are my impressions:

Peruvian women: The average Peruvian woman is not very attractive and the few attractive ones seem to have a lot of attitude. Quite serious and unhappy people in my opinion, Also its a very racist and closed minded culture. To the extent that an attractive Peruvian girl is interested in meeting foreigners she is most likely looking for "white" European looking foreigners (they will never admit it though). Also Peruvian women are very flakey and there was a noticeable amount of moderate gold digging behavior (i.e. girls only going on dates with you to get free dinner and gifts, etc). That being said its still better than Anglosphere countries to find a woman. And at least the women here are not that big on drugs, alcohol and smoking like Chilean women. Besides the women its not a country I would personally want live in as I did not like their culture. Peruvian women generally seemed dishonest and untrustworthy to me.

Chilean Women: The typical Chilean girl is not very attractive and is cold as ice and flakey as hell as well as having feminist attitudes. They are nearly as bad as western women in terms of attitude. They are also racist as hell, so you should expect to be treated like dirt by women if you don't have that "white" European look. Chilean women hit the wall very quickly due to bad diets (lots of bread, empanadas, hot dogs, etc), smoking, drugs (weed, etc) and drinking. Also Chilean women seem to be attracted to scumbag loser men and don't value quality guys. The youth in Chile seem to be degenerate and its very common to see depressed young people. The whole country had a rather unhappy vibe to me. It was also extremely common for me to meet girls with family problems (e.g. girls that don't get along with their parents, their father is a drunk, etc). Chilean women seemed rather dishonest and untrustworthy to me. Also for various reasons not a country I would want to live in. Western degeneracy and globo-homo seem to be firmly entrenched in Chile. Also I am not sure what Cortes was on about but I sure as hell did not meet a single Chilean girl with the so called Latin charm that is in abundance among Colombian or Venezuelan women.

Colombian Women: Very sexy and beautiful. Long straight hair, cute faces and curvy bums are the norm in Colombia. You will find a good mix of looks from sexy big bum black girls, tanned/mixed girls and white girls. Its very easy to find Colombian women who are very charming, feminine and sweet. Colombian people are generally friendly and really seem to love their families. Young women babysitting their kid sisters or visiting their elderly grandparents, etc seems to be the way of life here. In certain cities such as Medellin and Cartagena (due to a mixture of tourism and crime) there seemed to be a lot of gold diggers and fake (plastic surgery, etc) women along with higher bitch shields. But Bogota as well as some of the small towns seemed like good places to meet quality women.
I really feel like Colombian women value a quality guy who has shit together. If you have decent income/wealth, approach girls, charm them, take an interest in their life and be nice to their family and friends they really appreciate it and understand the value of it. Unlike Chilean or Peruvian girls I feel like Colombian girls actually prefer quality guys over losers and scumbag men. Also they generally seem open minded and don't seem racist like Peruvian or Chilean women and hence foreigners of all types and looks can do well in Colombia. The only bad thing I would say about them is that its common for Colombian women to like sex too much often to the point of being promiscuous/unfaithful, but there is still an ample supply of faithful (and even virgin) women if you are not in too much of a hurry to find one. I rather liked the country and wouldn't mind living their for a few years at some time in the future if I have the opportunity. Its a county with good climate, amazing scenery and beaches/islands, friendly people, beautiful women and very cheap. Of course no country is perfect and it has many of the typical developing country problems such as poor infrastructure, bad customer service, high levels of bureaucracy, safety issues/crime, etc.

Australian women: Nothing to see here, move along.

New Zealand (Kiwi) women: Nothing to see here, move along.

Out of the countries I have visited so far since I became an adult I would rate Colombia as the best for finding a wife.
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Any capital/major city in the world will have globo homo feminist women. Did you go to Chiclayo in Peru? Did you go to La Serena or iquique in Chile? Of course Chilenas (esp in santigo) are a bit colder, that is their reputation. The closer you get to Peru the warmer and more latin they get. It's crazy that you think Colombianas are more trustworthy and faithful than Chilenas. Literally every Colombia blantatly lied to me at some point, whether low class or upperclass girls. Maybe Colombianas seemed like good wives to you because they were getting with other men on the side! If any country in the world prefers alpha degenerate types it's Colombianas!

Chilean people can be a bit more globo homo than other latin countries but GTFO of Santiago and they have better attitudes.

How old are you? As a 20 year old, I noticed there was less acceptance for age gaps, but at my age there were plenty of good women receptive to me.

Peruvians aren't as unattractive as this forum would have you think, but I only spent time in the cities in the north of Peru. Peruvianas are much more loyal and honest than any other country in Latin America I have been to.

Thankfully you never ended up buying property in Chile after you spent a day there, your first impression about how much you would like the women was wrong ( to you). Are there better countries for a wife? Sure. I strongly disagree that Colombia is one of them.

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@ Cortes-

100% agree. Colombians strike me as the most flakey and the least trustful. And I was pleasantly surprised by Peruanas. Bolivians too.

This is simply based on my experiences and others may have had completely different interactions. The only country that I feel that I can accurately comment on as a whole is USA. And it’s a trainwreck here.
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My wife is from Central America. We've been married for while but I believe Central America, especially the northern triangle countries (Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador) are still among the best places to look for a wife in Latin America, as long as you're willing to go to church and hold off on sex for a few months. The downside is dealing with the danger in those countries themselves.

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Cortes I did not go to Chiclayo (or not that I remember anyway) in Peru but I did visit many smaller places like Puerto Maldonado and Piura, etc. Yes I went to La Serena and Iquique when I was in Chile. The women were more attractive and bustier than in other parts of Chile but they still had horrendous amounts of attitude and were un-dateable. I still did not see any Latin warmth to speak of. The point is I am writing about these 3 countries where I visited a multitude of cities and towns not just the capital. I still stand by my judgement but feel free to disagree. I explored every region of Chile and still managed not to meet a single woman without attitude. Chile may as well be a "western" country. Its already in the OECD. In Peru I did meet the extremely occasional sweetheart girl but they were few and far between. I found Colombian girls to be very affectionate. Again guys its just my personal opinion and we can agree to disagree.

I actually remember when I was doing a day hike near Iquique on the way back it was starting to get dark so I tried to hitch hike. Nobody stopped for me for a long time. Finally a small truck pulled over. Inside the truck were two guys, a Colombian and a Peruvian...... I actually remember one girl I approached in Iquique after I got her number I found out she had a boyfriend and I asked her why she didn't tell me from the start. She tried to friendzone me and then said if I was looking for a girlfriend why didn't I just try Tinder?? Really Tinder? And coincidentally when I approached her one of her friends turned up. The friend had actually spent some time living in Sydney in an area just a few kilometers from my house. Predictably that girl was a bitch.......
Very occasionally I did meet a Chilean girl who had a foreign boyfriend from Europe. None of these girls were above a 6, which seems to indicate to me that most western guys in Chile are dating down.

Just in general I found Chileans to be like a downgraded version of westerners. All of the negative traits of westerners cold, individualistic, unfriendly, consumption oriented) except without the work ethic of westerners and much more dishonest to boot. And don't be fooled the fact that Chile is safer and has less petty crime than the rest of Latin America is due to the fact that they have a more effective and better paid police force and less poverty. It has nothing to do with the culture of Chileans.

Cortes you say you were well recieved in Peru and Chile. Are you "white" and "European looking"?

I found Chileans to be very consumerist. The banking system has really opened up in Chile with access to credit becoming increasingly common and young and middle aged people alike flocking to buy iphones, cars and tvs on credit with loans which will take them many years to pay back. Every corner of Chile I went to girls had extreme smart phone addiction and attention whoring. Instead of seeing girls dancing or joking/laughing with their friends as you commonly see in Colombia you see girls continually glued to their smart phones. To me Chilean girls are basically a somewhat financially poorer version of western women who speak Spanish instead of English.

In my eyes Chilean women are just completely degenerate and individualistic. I wouldn't touch a Chilean girl with a 20 foot barge pole. Not even ones from smaller towns and cities like Frutillar or Osorno let alone the girls from Santiago.

Cortes I won't say my exact age but sufficient to say that I am considerably older than you but not yet middle aged. I do not think age was my problem.

As for Peruvians being the most honest in Latin America everyone in the country tries to rip you off for everything including the girls who will try to extract free dinners, etc from you.

As for Colombian girls preferring degenerate/loser guys its a different scenario to Peru or Chile. In Medellin and Cartagena I noticed a lot of gold digger looking girls with scummy drug dealer/pimp, etc seeming dudes. But those certain types of Colombian girls are just gold diggers. And in most towns/cities I visited in Colombia I did not see much of that anyway just in some key hotspots like Cartagena and Medellin. But in Chile and Peru you see a lot of girls who actually seemed threatened by successful guys and won't give you the time of day but are happy to date an ugly, short, uneducated broke loser guy who is an alcoholic and works as a waiter. Or alternatively you get the ones that just want a one night stand with a tall German dude with blonde hair and blue eyes.

In Peru and Chile I pretty much never got compliments from girls on my looks because I am not "white" or "European looking". But in Colombia I found there were a lot of girls who were attracted to me and I got more compliments and looks from girls.
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Cortes you say you were well received by the girls in Peru and Chile. Are you "white"/"European looking"?
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