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RE: Datasheet on Islam
(09-02-2019 12:52 PM)mikado Wrote:  
(09-02-2019 11:11 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 01:24 PM)mikado Wrote:  This conversation is pointless. No one is gonna bulge even for a little bit.

Wrong thread is why. Here you go

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-3335-page-264.html

...You're welcome

Hahaha, well played.

"To budge"!

But thanks for providing us a link to ... "help us consider what we want in a wife"

This is a thread about Islam, so clearly that is not what PapayaTapper is doing.

He is obviously trying to show us what Islamic Jihadists seek in a prostitute before they fly jet airliners into buildings. Duh. Tongue
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(08-29-2019 11:05 AM)Solitaire Wrote:  Yeah, this thread is getting worn out fast - was fun for a minute, but this guy isn't being genuine, and isn't actually responding to any criticisms except to say it's a criticism, no rebuttals.

A muslim being disingenuous with nonbelievers? Man it's almost like they have a moral get out of jail free card for that.

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(09-01-2019 11:55 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  OP:

Please give your commentary on this video..

Like you. she is seeking to explain Islam.




TLDR:

Did Muhammad marry Aisha at 6 and then spork her at 9?
She goes through the sources and says yes, none of the revisionism trying to reinvent her age stacks up.

Was it Ok?
She points out the no-one, not Aisha nor even Muhammads enemies had a problem with it, so..
Green Light in Islam on all nine yea----

No, wait.. Huh
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I saw a Muslim stall on a high street in the UK, run by Muslims seeking to increase awareness of Islamic beliefs.

I picked up one of their pamphlets.

To prove what a benevolent religion of peace it truly is, they chose this quote from the Qur'an;

'God does not FORBID you from befriending non-believers'

That's a little different from 'Love thy neighbour'. In fact it's closer to a Satanic tenet.

It's very difficult to get an objective overview of Islam, because the teachings are spread over three (four?) books, and people select quotes to support their case.

But the fact that quote was the best THEY could do says everything for me.
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< It's actually not that difficult to understand Islam. 90%+ of Muslim scholars pretty much are down with all the main violent causes. Imam Tahwidi who is a reformer hopes that Islam may change within centuries due to the contact with the more peaceful West and Far East. He still admits that Islam is incredibly brutal and bloodthirsty on all accounts.

All the verses in the pamphlet mentioned are superseded by younger verses in the Quran that tell you to slay and convert the unbelievers, because Islam in the Quran had 2 phases - one of quiet population growth and then one of full-on war. The phase of full-on war is initiated whenever they think that they can win - in Europe that will be whenever they reach 30-40% of the population.

Though in our times Muslims are just being used to damage and destroy the West. Not that this makes them Dindus.
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I think Trump's recent agreement to pull out of Afghanistan in exchange for the Taliban promising not to harbor terrorists is a pragmatic model for interfacing with the Islamic world. All we should want from the Taliban is that they don't harbor those trying to attack us, and in return we don't try to interfere with their nation, building democracies, women's rights, etc. Thankfully, Trump is pragmatic and doesn't have a theological bone in his body. Westerners pretending they understand the Koran is a fool's errand. Good fences make good neighbors.

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(08-27-2019 10:33 AM)Manbeline Wrote:  
(08-26-2019 10:20 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  
(08-26-2019 05:05 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  
(08-26-2019 04:58 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  If you have money, there are two ways to invest it. One is in equities, which is ownership shares in an ongoing enterprise. The other is debt investment, which is either bonds or direct loans to ongoing enterprises or individuals. The appreciation of the capital investment is the return on the first. Interest, often called the "time value" of money, is the return on the second form of investment. If interest is banned, as is the case with Islam as well as traditional forms of Christianity, then equity investment is the only form available. This works fine for investing in business enterprises. But is rather difficult for consumer finance, especially big ticket items such as housing. Perhaps, in a system where compound interest is banned, we could go back to the days where there was no consumer finance. We paid cash for everything. Since housing is inherently expensive relative to income, assuming no technology breakthrough like 3-D printing or molecular nanotechnology that makes housing as cheap as, say, a happy meal, I don't really see any alternative to debt finance unless we accept a system where only the wealthy can afford to buy their own houses outright with cash. Afterall, if I have money, or run an institution with money, why would I lend it out (e.g. debt finance) if there is no way for me to earn a return on that money? If course I would never do that.
You do what you did before interest rates. You saved your own money and bought it. The banks were the one who didn't want people saving money on their own instead of loaning it from them. So they did the most devious trick in the world and now force you to have to loan in order to buy a house or to start a relatively small business. Online businesses have helped curve that scam, but I won't be surprised if they come up with a new way to stop people from avoiding bank loan funding.

That's fine and dandy, and I've paid cash for my last three cars. However, it makes it rather difficult to buy a house. On the other hand, if there was no financing for home ownership, it is quite likely that real estate would be a lot cheaper than it is.
The reason is because of this: when you buy out a house, who owns it? You, who would save money and buy it straight cash? Or the bank that you take a loan out with to get it? Guess who the assets goes to if you go into default?

Now you see the grand scheme of banking.

This is only half true. The bank doesn't own the home, you do but you've pledged it as collateral against the money you've borrowed from them. If you default you lose the house but you retain any equity you had in it after the bank sells it.

Say you buy a 250k house and put the standard 20% down so you take out a 200K mortgage, after a few years you've paid it down to 150K of principal remaining but then lose your job and default. The bank forecloses on the house and sells it, in the meantime the market has appreciated so the house now sells for 300K. The bank takes 150K to cover the remainder of your debt and you get* the remaining 150K.

Asterisk because there are all kinds of fees, attorneys and hangers-on who will take a cut of your check. But the general point remains, even if you get foreclosed the equity you had built the house to that point (which includes not only the principal you had paid off but also any appreciation in its value) is yours.

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RE: Datasheet on Islam
I have not posted for some time because I have been reading E. Michael Jones. I have gotten a better understanding of the Trinity as a result. This does not mean that I do not disagree with him, in fact, there is a lot that I disagree with him in.

There are many parts to Islam that just do not get mentioned. Banning some things gets Islam opponents.

I would like to bring to attention to some of these in Islam:

On interest
Firstly, that compound interest redistributes wealth unjustly is only half the story.

The money that one invests in a bank account does not sit still. It is working in one's absence, investing, re-investing, loaning and re-loaning accruing interest all the while. It could be invested in dubious and likely sinful industries. Your wealth is not yours.

On degeneracy
The standards required for convicting these sorts of crimes are very high, four eye-witnesses for the same act.

It is difficult to incur the full punishment through ones own personal sins and drama.

People will stop showing off with their sins.

The porn business model is made impossible.

On intoxicants
Islam bans harmful substances and intoxicants.

Those industries do not like that. They are having success in banning vapes which look like the lesser evil to me.

Answers to some points raised

Banu Quraithah
(08-28-2019 10:50 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys (in table)

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TLDR:
  • The Jews committed treason and broke treaties
  • The Jews involved were judged
  • Some say Deuteronomy

Firstly one must acquaint oneself with Ancient Tribal Warfare.

All able-bodied men were considered combatants and contributed to the survival and the honor of the Tribe. What we consider boys were initiated into the tribe as men at a young age.[1]

Banu Quraithah (also spelled Quraiza, for ease of searching) was a Jewish tribe in Medina. They had a truce with the Muslims.

There was a war between the Medinan Muslims and the Meccan Pagans and Medina was under siege.

They committed treason and intended to destroy the Muslims from within during this siege. Some of the tribe disagreed with this and left and sought refuge in the Muslims early on, and got it.

The siege was a failure and the Muslims won leaving them with the Jews.

This was also their second treason.
Saheeh Bukhari 4028, Book 64, Hadith 77

The Jews agreed for a Muslim, Sa'ad Bin Mu'adh, to judge them.
Sahih Bukhari 4121, Book 64, Hadith 165

He judged that all combatants be executed and that women and children be taken as captives.

Some say that this was Deuteronomy 20:12-14.[1]

[1] IslamQA.Org
[2] IslamQA.Info

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There is too many quotes being taken out of context, I do not want to play fetch.

I could misquote the Bible to prove silly theories and troll (and misinform). This would not be just.

Christoph Luxenburgs theory of Syriac-lectionaries has been refuted by numerous Western and Muslim scholars.

He says a lot, but has no evidence. His methods lead to silly mistranslations of the Qur'an.
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(08-28-2019 06:19 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 03:58 PM)OskuroPekenyo Wrote:  They had different situations and different people, but taught the same message of Monotheism, and Divine Law.

You didn't answer my question. The Anointed One doesn't teach the "same" message of Monotheism or Divine Law as Muhammad either.

If Muhammad is the "uswa hasana" and "al insan al kamil"*

***please see that even the WikiIslam link (explaining the terms and their exegesis) which does not agree with you here***

how do we rectify their completely antithetical actions?

If Christians are liars or corrupters of "the faith" then they certainly "invented" an amazing man by all stretch of the imagination according to time, history, and nearly every culture that we know of. Yet, you call someone (Mo) who is not like this person at all, "the complete man"?

You should think long and hard on this topic, it is actually this simple to show you who God really is. You did come to a red pill forum. Please note that the argument speaks for itself, I'm just the Morpheus messenger on this one.

Yet you still can't tell us how Muhammad is what Islam says he is, a good example, even "the perfect human" --- as I have already noted previously.

On this hang all the distracting details above.

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RE: Datasheet on Islam
I'll post a 5 minute video below about one of the biggest contradictions in the Quran and exposing Zakr Naik, Muslim defender extraordinaire, as a complete liar. Worth a watch. Aside from the Quran itself being a jumbled incoherent mess, one of the greatest proofs Islam is a false religion is that it's being used as a battering ram for civilization and Christendom by the globohomo elites. If Christianity was being used the way Islam is being used, I would begin to seriously question what I believe. One time when I was in Australia, there was some big far left type street parade. Can't remember what exactly it was, wasn't a pride parade, but something else, but it attracted a lot of blue haired freaks. At the same time Muslims had there dahwahs setup on a nearby busy street passing out free qurans and pamphlets that say "we believe in Jesus too". But anyway, I always enjoyed talking to them, and learning a thing or two about Islam and talking about the Bible, the Gospel, and why Christianity has turned into a disaster. But I was talking to this one Muslim at his stand. And as we were talking, all these far left degenerates keep passing us on the way to this event. And I'm like man, do you see these people walking by? These are the same people who will spit on me for what I believe, but welcome you with open arms and never ever give you an ounce of disrespect because you're religion is being used as a weapon by some pretty dark people. Is that not a telling sign that there's something going on here that ain't right? I could tell he was perterbed by what I said and maybe never thought of that. He never did an answer as to why that was. But it's the truth.

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"After his marriage to Khadijah, the Prophet Muhammad became very reflective. He used to retire to a cave on Mount Hira and spend his time in meditation and seclusion. He sometimes spent many nights in this cave and on one of these occasions had an extraordinary experience. One night, in the year 610 A.D., he was lying, wrapped in a mantle, when the Angel Gabriel visited him. Four times the Angel embraced him tightly and said: “Read.” Each time the Prophet replied: “What shall I read?” Then the Angel replied: Read, in the name of thy Lord who created, Created man from a clot of blood. Recite, for thy Lord is most Beneficent; Who taught by the pen, Taught man what he knew not..."
https://www.alislam.org/book/book-religi...evelation/

If you don't like Islam and wanna learn something, whether your Ortho, Catholic, a Prot or whatever, this is worth a watch.



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RE: Datasheet on Islam
(08-27-2019 01:19 AM)Mage Wrote:  Every religion that denies individual liberation trough perfection of character, meditation and mindfulness and claims God can be reached only trough proxies like scripture, priesthood, scholars or membership to some group like Church or Ummah is wrong and exists to:
a) derail your spiritual quest from introspection to arguing about scriptures and history [is torah].
b) make you a pawn in the political games.
c) gain power and money at your expense.

Good post.


(09-03-2019 02:41 PM)Sherman Wrote:  I think Trump's recent agreement to pull out of Afghanistan in exchange for the Taliban promising not to harbor terrorists is a pragmatic model for interfacing with the Islamic world. All we should want from the Taliban is that they don't harbor those trying to attack us, and in return we don't try to interfere with their nation, building democracies, women's rights, etc. Thankfully, Trump is pragmatic and doesn't have a theological bone in his body. Westerners pretending they understand the Koran is a fool's errand. Good fences make good neighbors.

Exactly.

Let everyone build for themselves the society they want.

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OP's defenses of Islam are like those of hardcore communists who says what great thing communism has done for this person or that person or how in theory it sounds so great. The practice however - is pure crap. And on top of it - the more you study it, the worse it gets. Only highly selective research as done by OP comes out in any Religion of Peace - bestest religion evar mantra. The SJWs support it becuase they don't know jack shit about it, but somehow this offends them:

[Image: maxresdefault.jpg]

Meanwhile the reality is what societies are being created, how the people behave all across the world, how many offensive wars they waged, how they held back even science and even raw genetics by fostering inbreeding. It's a shitshow of epic proportions and it will always be that way unless you redesign it like the Chinese.

[Image: 1568921263146.jpg]

Though - as we noted here. You can believe in whatever you want to believe. In all likelihood you are hardly a "revert", but you were born in Islam and now are doing mental gymnastics to justify your belief. So be it. I find Christians or Buddhists much more believable on that becuase at least their founders were clearly saints and their religions are indeed espousing many positive aspects. No one could ever claim this of Mohammed - the insane lunatic psychopath murderer & pedophile.


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SS, did you make that NPC graphic? That short circuit fire was quite amusing.

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It’s from 4chan

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Quite aside from the discussion about Islam itself, I think Black Pigeon summed up the story behind that troll job pretty well.




TLDR: the news couldn't come right out and call it Islamophobic, nor could it say it was misogynistic. All they could do was put the mic in front of cat ladies and listen to them point & sputter.

Checkmate.

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Definitely watch the video before reading what I am about to post and then after.

(09-21-2019 11:34 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  I'll post a 5 minute video below about one of the biggest contradictions in the Quran and exposing Zakr Naik, Muslim defender extraordinaire, as a complete liar. Worth a watch.

...

If you don't like Islam and wanna learn something, whether your Ortho, Catholic, a Prot or whatever, this is worth a watch.



What does the context mean when a Muslim says context:
  • The verses before and after
  • The chapter
As the pastor said but not only that. Context also includes:
  • The circumstances of revelation
  • The application and the explanation of the Prophet (pbuh)
  • The opinions and explanations of the Muslim scholars (emphasis on the contemporaries and the few generations after)

The audience member attempts to take the two verses out of context.

Zakir Naik shuts this down.

Quote:Commenting on the aayah in Soorat al-Baqarah, Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“What is meant is that every group believed in Allaah and the Last Day, which is the appointed Day of Reckoning, and did righteous deeds. But after Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sent to both mankind and the jinn, true belief can only be in accordance with the way of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Whoever follows his way will not fear the future or grieve for what they leave behind.
From IslamQA.info

Watch the video again paying special attention to the facial expressions of the pastor as he says has the context. Worth a watch.

"He tells an outright lie" ... "so he just tells a bold-faced lie" ... "There is no such context"

He distracts the viewer with the etymology of the word "context". The definition is not completely limited to the etymology. He distracts you from the fact that the verses have circumstances in which they are revealed, which, going by the Oxford dictionary, is also context.

So pastor, did Zakir Naik make this up?

My personal question:

Can he not properly represent the Muslim argument and then argue against it, instead of lying and depending on the audience not doing their research? This would be airtight and effective.

Why does he misrepresent and then call Zakir Naik an outright liar?
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About that link you posted that references the contradiction mentioned in the video..it says .

"In order to understand these aayaat correctly, we need to refer to the scholars of Tafseer (Qur’aanic commentary). " Translation=we need to come up with excuses fast!

It's not that difficult to understand at face value and it's a huge blow to the Quran. It says what it says. So in order to get around this Muslims have to "refer to the scholars" to come up with outlandish rationalizations. That's like most Christians not understanding something in the Bible and resorting to leaning on interpretations from "saints" or whatever when the answers can always be found in the Bible. But whats interesting about this, is that the Quran is supposed to be the final revelation from God. In Surah 39:1 the Quran reads "the rrevelation of the Qur'an is from Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise." Muslims say Mohammed was chosen to be the final messenger because the Bible couldn't be trusted. Islam teaches the Quran is the literal word of God given to Mohammed from the angel gabriel. So when even Muslims resort to leaning on outside teachings to interpret the Quran, what you're really saying is that the Quran is not correct and that God still managed to screw up his supposed final Revelation. And if it isn't correct then it really can't be from God. It came from Mohammed's mind and whatever demon possessed him like what was mentioned in Galatians. If it really was from God, the Quran would be enough and sufficient as it is. But it isn't.
(09-21-2019 07:20 PM)OskuroPekenyo Wrote:  Why does he misrepresent and then call Zakir Naik an outright liar?

Because Zakir Naik is a liar.



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RE: Datasheet on Islam
(09-21-2019 10:56 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Yet you still can't tell us how Muhammad is what Islam says he is, a good example, even "the perfect human" --- as I have already noted previously.


(In the name of Allah, the All-Compassionate, the Specifically-Compassionate)

Firstly, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):
  • Was a leader of a community
  • Was available to the people
  • Had family
  • Sacrificed for his mission

He believed 100% in the message
Quote: Quraysh sent ‘Utbah ibn Rabee‘ah, who said to the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): O son of my brother, you are, as you know, of noble descent and you have brought your people a grievous matter because of which you have divided their community. Listen to me; I shall give you some options, so that you may choose one of them. If you want wealth, we will collect money from our wealth so that you may be the wealthiest of us. If you want honour, we will make you our leader, and we will not decide any matter without you. If you want sovereignty, we will make you our king. If what comes to you is something caused by the jinn, and you think that you cannot rid yourself of it, then ask us for medicine, and we will spend our wealth on it until you are healed.

When he had finished speaking, the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) recited to him the beginning of Soorat Fussilat, up to the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“But if they turn away, then say (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)): ‘I have warned you of a Saa‘iqah (a destructive awful cry, torment, hit, a thunderbolt) like the Saa‘iqah which overtook ‘Aad and Thamood (people)”

(Quran 41:13)
Narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah in his Musannaf (36560); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh as-Seerah (p. 159)
Source IslamQA

He was offered:
  • Wealth
  • Honor
  • Kingship
If he abandoned the call of Monotheism.

He did not take the offer.

Being kind to every living creature
Quote:Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "While a man was walking on his way he became extremely thirsty. He found a well, he went down into it to drink water. Upon leaving it, he saw a dog which was panting out of thirst. His tongue was lolling out and he was eating moist earth from extreme thirst. The man thought to himself: 'This dog is extremely thirsty as I was.' So he descended into the well, filled up his leather sock with water, and holding it in his teeth, climbed up and quenched the thirst of the dog. Allah appreciated his action and forgave his sins". The Companions asked: "Shall we be rewarded for showing kindness to the animals also?" He (ﷺ) said, "A reward is given in connection with every living creature".
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Source Sunnah.Com

We are taught that Allah appreciates when we are kind to his creatures.

I remember when this hadith was taught to us in classroom.

He suffered for the message and forgave
When Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) visited Ta'if he was treated very badly and abused.

He forgave those who abused him.

He was:
  • Ridiculed
  • Attacked
  • The people sent the vagabonds and children to follow him attacking and ridiculing
  • Stoned such that he bled to his shoes

He sought refuge in a nearby garden and prayed:
Quote:"O Almighty! I raise unto you, my complaint for my weakness, my helplessness, and for the ridicule to which I have been subjected. O Merciful! You are the Master of all oppressed people, You are my God! So to whom would You consign me? To the strangers who would ill-treat me, or to the enemies who have an upper hand over me? If whatever has befallen me is not because of Your wrath, then I fear not. No doubt, the field of Your security and care is wide enough for me. I seek refuge in Your light which illuminates the darkness and straightens the affairs of this world and hereafter, that Your displeasure and wrath may not descend upon me. For the sake of Your pleasure, I remain pleased and resigned to my fate. No change in this world occurs without Your Will."

Angel Gabriel came to the Prophet and asked him if he so wished Gabriel would give the command to bury the city between two mountains.

The Prophet (pbuh) chose to forgive.

Source: IslamiCity.Org

Again, when Mecca was conquered, and it was all over, the people were forgiven.


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But did he have sex with a 9 year old?
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...and did he lead armies and kill people (or order the killing thereof, including other soldiers)? In other words, was he a military leader? If so, the actions of a lot of Muslims today make sense.

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(08-28-2019 07:01 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  You lost me at “literal word of god” Dodgy

If someone said to me out of nowhere, "the literal" X "of God", I would be tempted to go and look. It would pique my curiousity.





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(09-21-2019 09:27 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Because Zakir Naik is a liar.



Notice how the Indian media is repeating that he is a 'radical' and a 'controversial' speaker without actually mentioning what he is teaching.

Also notice that the Indian Government is claiming that he is a money launderer and strangely, this fits in the chaotic nature of events with large audiences. Cannot prove either way.

Notice that terrorists under captivity are releasing to the Media that they were 'influenced' by him, despite it not being mentioned what it was that 'influenced' them.

I do not care about Zakir Naik here, I am pointing out the behaviour of the Media here.

Anyone speaking against the status quo is radical. Anyone who causes a lot of heated discussion is controversial.

Jesus (pbuh) was a radical controversial preacher whom the Government at the time sought to arrest and execute. This is verbally and technically correct but it is still misleading. It does not mention what was so radical and controversial and associates him with other unpopular speakers without mentioning what he taught.

On one side, when Muslims oppose Globo-Homo, oppressive governments or even ignorant superstitions, the labels 'radical' and 'controversial' are slapped on them.

On the other side, if a Muslim publicly condemns terror groups by name and refutes them in way that damages them, they get put in a kill list along with their families. The best we can say is that "we have nothing to do with them".
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I don’t know. Islam is starting to grow on me. Tight-knit families, no promotion of gays or degenerate lifestyles, covered-up women. What’s not to like? Isn’t this what the right has been begging for? Laugh
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(09-22-2019 01:43 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  But did he have sex with a 9 year old?

Yes, he did. And I wish Muslims would just admit it. Lots of European kings etc had incredibly young sex slaves etc, but because we don't hold these people as sacred we have no problem acknowledging it.

Islam has it right on LGBT and feminism though, so I'm not knocking it in the way I used to a few years ago. I'll stand alongside the Muslims in Bradford and Birmingham against the tranny freaks trying to poison their children.

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(09-21-2019 11:34 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Galatians 1 6-8
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Great post by Spectrum.

St. Paul nipped it in the bud for everyone, it's as if he actually knew it was coming (or was already happening around his time).

The Satanic verses are what Rushdie got in trouble for exposing (and fatwas of course came out against him) because it is also known that Mo thought he was in fact visited by a demon. Khadijah liked the idea of a strong man leader, so convinced him that the "angel" was not a demon.

This will be my last post here. Don't feed the troll.

You shall know them by their fruits. The equivalent of the "Holy Apostles" of Islam killed one another for power after Mo died. Think of it. That was the "fitnah" ... this unholy tribal mess is so obvious it's pathetic. It does show you how strong the religious impulse for people is, though.
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