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(12-02-2019 01:56 PM)Goni Wrote:  I agree 100% with you 911.

Most people are entirely ignorant about history and religion and in this case their bain is washed up by jewish propaganda that control media and most books published.

Anyway, what is the evidence that the Islamic Regime in Iran was set up by CIA?

It strange to me because the Islamic Regime was a direct reaction to the corrupted and inefficient regime of the Shah, who also had all the natural resources of Iran given to America.

He was basically a puppet of zionists.

Why would he be replaced with another regime, which is even hostile to Jews?

Puppets like the Shah and Saddam who were set up by CIA coups often turn into nationalist leaders who outgrow their usefulness, because once absolute rulers like the Shah and Saddam settle in and have their billions, they aspire to a greater legacy and want to be respected, not just feared by their people. Iran was becoming a strong regional power under the Shah, which threatened zionist hegemony over the region.

Khomeini was set up to take Iran back a few decades, and to waste away his country's resources and those of neighboring Iraq, in a ruinous bloody trench war straight out of WW1.

The Shah was originally a US puppet, set up to rule Iran after the CIA overthrew the democratically elected, secular government of Mossadegh ("Operation Ajax").





But much like Saddam Hussein, another CIA puppet installed after the overthrow of a secular democracy in Iraq, the Shah had outgrown his usefulness by the 1970s, he actually provided stability and modernized the country. Under his rule, Iran was poised to become a great modern regional power. That's why the mullahs, with their medieval islamic theology and endless wars, had to be brought in.










Most radical muslim political movements in the region, including Wahhabism, the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS/AQ and the mullah revolution in Iran were set up by the (((Empire))). In Iran though, the mullahs are probably no longer under complete control.

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911 - you still haven't even fucking read the Quran or a good portion of the strong Hadiths. You know nothing of Islam.

It doesn't matter if the Saudis and Iran are globalist creations. Islam is Islam even if led by the same guys in some parts. The 1940s to 70s were top-down controlled secular reforms that all faltered from the 1970s onward returning to the old bloody ways of Islam.

I told you again and again that the top leadership is irrelevant, when Muslims the world over do a shit-ton of rapes, crimes and are 80% eternally unemployed in Europe. The daughter killing is part and parcel of Islam as well backed up by choice Hadiths on top of it. No one forces them to fill Western prisons at rates of 40-50% while being less than 10% of the population. This is not Zionist propaganda - this is a fact. The Zionists actually love and use the violent inbred Muslims to destroy Europe long-term.
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It isn't Jewish propaganda that Muslims are the #1 direct enemies of Christians throughout the world today. Missionaries operate in secrecy in Muslim lands for a reason. Yes, Israel is unfriendly to the church and discourages missionary work, but not at the level of Pakistan or Saudi. Even the Christians in much less dangerous lands like Turkey know they are at risk. While I can agree that neocons wars have themselves been destructive, it's untrue that Islam is tolerant of Christianity. Yes, they consider Jesus a prophet but they deny His sonship and deity. You can believe one without denying the other.
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(12-01-2019 04:46 PM)bk19xsa Wrote:  ...

There was a post on this thread that was deleted that the quoted post is responding to. The post was very similar to the one posted on the God-pill thread:
This Post

The post includes:
  • Chapters of the Qur'an under 30 minutes with their subtitles
  • A lesson from the Qur'an on Time
  • A small article on misrepresentations of Islam

I would like to repeat for one last time: In Islam, killing innocent civilians and committing suicide are mortal sins, plenty of hadith and verses to back this. The terrorists heresied and said that there are OK contexts for these. It was never OK to kill an innocent nor to commit suicide! There is no abrogation to legalize this anywhere at all whether in the Qur'an or the Sunnah (hadith)!

This is not the only place I have tried to resist people misrepresenting religions and I have lost some friends IRL over this (both Muslims and non-Muslims). Defaming people with inaccurate information is never cool and has consequences.

Again, not trying to convert here, just attempting to represent my faith properly.

Thank you for your time, and good bye (even to those who had a beef with me)
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911 is my mate and I think he's great but he does have a blind spot when it comes to Islam. Probably why we clashed heads so often on ol' Tommy boy.

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The muslims are enemies to us now more-so than they have been in a long, long time, but largely for the reasons 911 lays out.

Those reasons don't make them not our enemy. It just means we have to be realistic about who is pulling the strings from above. If hostile muslims arrived in my suburb am I going to turn my back to them "because it's not really their fault"?

Heck no. I'm going to do my best to be rid of them and at least take strong measures to protect myself from their predations.

What 911 and Simeon would probably both agree on is that regardless of who's to blame for weaponizing Islam, it would be for the best that none of them remain in Christendom for one second longer than it takes to remove them. They to their lands and we to ours.

After that? A healthy dose of non-intervention will over time make it clear how much of their problems are elite driven and how much is scriptural, not that we should particularly have to care at that point.

What's clear is that once again biology trumps ideology as certain groups clearly thrived under(despite?) Islam while others have remained a backwards shitshow. It's obviously a complex issue though the solution is quite simple.

Christendom for the Christians (and I suppose their wayward blood relatives to be reasonable).

Everyone else out.

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(12-03-2019 09:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The muslims are enemies to us now more-so than they have been in a long, long time, but largely for the reasons 911 lays out.

Those reasons don't make them not our enemy. It just means we have to be realistic about who is pulling the strings from above. If hostile muslims arrived in my suburb am I going to turn my back to them "because it's not really their fault"?

Heck no. I'm going to do my best to be rid of them and at least take strong measures to protect myself from their predations.

What 911 and Simeon would probably both agree on is that regardless of who's to blame for weaponizing Islam, it would be for the best that none of them remain in Christendom for one second longer than it takes to remove them. They to their lands and we to ours.

After that? A healthy dose of non-intervention will over time make it clear how much of their problems are elite driven and how much is scriptural, not that we should particularly have to care at that point.

What's clear is that once again biology trumps ideology as certain groups clearly thrived under(despite?) Islam while others have remained a backwards shitshow. It's obviously a complex issue though the solution is quite simple.

Christendom for the Christians (and I suppose their wayward blood relatives to be reasonable).

Everyone else out.

I agree, I have read these arguments before that current ISIS style radicals, saudis etc. 'arent' real muslims'

That argument isn't the same as saying "Westboro baptists aren't real Christians"

Radical Muslims and their holy wars have been going on since the prophet himself led them. This isn't like one mosque going off the reservation.

ISIS/Iatolah style Muslims are in charge. Like that pirate meme "I'm the captain now" They own Islam now. The 'real' and peaceful muslims would just be better off renaming themselves at this point. "We aren't Muslims, we are zoroastiranists"...oh wait, can't do that because that was the first religion that Islam murdered out of existence. Maybe "Mosqovites"

If a Mosqovite wanted to tell me about the peaceful practice of worshiping Mohamed and how they have turned their back on "Islam" I'd be a lot more willing to pay attention.

Otherwise, the fruits that Islam has borne are pretty clear, no matter what the texts may say.

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Even having to defend or defame Islam is besides the point, really.

Make them go home and they can do as they please. I don't care if they're peaceful or violent. Go home, muslims. I don't care if they're secular or fanatical. Go home muslims.

You have your lands and we ours. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever by intermingling our peoples and "trying to make it work".

Why? For what?

I'm tired of having to make the case as to what thresh-hold of asshole-dom a peoples has to reach before you're allowed to write them off and want them gone. In the UK 25 percent of polled muslims said that violence was a reasonable method of establishing a worldwide caliphate. 25 percent. If 25 percent of whites were polled as saying that violence was a reasonable method of establishing a literal world-spanning Nazi regime then every emergency department in the West would be filled with Jews and white liberals having conniptions.

Yet can we imagine what an honest poll would look like among Jews asked the same question?

Put a Holy Cross on every street corner and let anyone who complains be deported. Let anyone who blasphemes Christ be deported. Let anyone who complains about Christian culture "not being inclusive" be deported.

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You have worn out your welcome. Get out. If you wont, then don't bother getting comfortable. You can do it with all your stuff now, voluntarily, or later, with the shirt on your back and your suitcase in hand, as is the tradition of your insufferable, hateful, backstabbing people and their mohammedean cousins.

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(12-02-2019 11:45 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  It isn't Jewish propaganda that Muslims are the #1 direct enemies of Christians throughout the world today. Missionaries operate in secrecy in Muslim lands for a reason. Yes, Israel is unfriendly to the church and discourages missionary work, but not at the level of Pakistan or Saudi. Even the Christians in much less dangerous lands like Turkey know they are at risk. While I can agree that neocons wars have themselves been destructive, it's untrue that Islam is tolerant of Christianity. Yes, they consider Jesus a prophet but they deny His sonship and deity. You can believe one without denying the other.

It totally is zionist propaganda. The main way muslims threaten us today is through zionist-enabled mass immigration, period. The threat is the same whether they bring in 50 million muslims or 50 million non-muslim Nigerians, or to put it in an American context, another 50 million central American Mestizos.

For zionists, muslim mass immigration can be weaponized to promote conflict between the West and the Muslim world, this has been the bread and butter playbook of neocons going back to the Rothschild British sponsorship of the Wahhabi salafists and crypto-Jewish Sauds in Arabia. That's why they bring in Syrians and Afghanis in Germany instead of Filipinos and Indians.

American Evangelicals are the least capable of seeing through this agenda, because they have been successfully targeted and pozzed on zionism at the very root of their faith, going back to the Scofield bible. You start from this, to which you add a lifetime of Hollywood propaganda, and the whole network of billion dollar (((foundations))), PACs and astroturfed zioright media, dozens of outlets like Gates of Vienna, Prager, Breitbart, then you have people who become obsessed with muslims on an emotional level, fixating on the red cape, ignoring the bullfighter who is shaking that cape in their face.

And on missionaries: just what the hell are kids from Houston or Dallas doing in Pakistan, when their own houses are being infected with globohomo degeneracy? You have "drag queen story hour" in their public libraries, raging feminists taking over their universities and city councils, and they want to go halfway round the world to evangelize Arabians and Turks while their hometowns are burning??

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(12-02-2019 03:08 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  911 - you still haven't even fucking read the Quran or a good portion of the strong Hadiths. You know nothing of Islam.

It doesn't matter if the Saudis and Iran are globalist creations. Islam is Islam even if led by the same guys in some parts. The 1940s to 70s were top-down controlled secular reforms that all faltered from the 1970s onward returning to the old bloody ways of Islam.

I told you again and again that the top leadership is irrelevant, when Muslims the world over do a shit-ton of rapes, crimes and are 80% eternally unemployed in Europe. The daughter killing is part and parcel of Islam as well backed up by choice Hadiths on top of it. No one forces them to fill Western prisons at rates of 40-50% while being less than 10% of the population. This is not Zionist propaganda - this is a fact. The Zionists actually love and use the violent inbred Muslims to destroy Europe long-term.

I am pretty sure that I know more about muslims and islam than you do, you grew up in the midwest, I grew up near parts of town that were 10%-20% muslim, in a country that literally owned half of Africa and the mideast. I've also read plenty of unbiased academic works on muslims, people like Gustave le Bon, John Glubb, Vernochet, I could recommend some translated works for you. I work with muslims and see muslims nearly every day; drivers, shopkeepers, clients, former classmates, neighbors etc.

I agree with that last part bolded above, that is basically what the Kalergi plan is. However your other points above though, and your constant fixation on Islam are mostly irrational. Just to go over the stuff you wrote here:

-Muslims aren't killing their daughters by the thousands, or even by the dozen, and there are millions of them in France and North America, I guess they must not have read their hadith...

-Unemployment among French muslims is around twice the national average, ~20%, not 80%. In Canada, muslim unemployment is around 5%-8% depending on the province. Unemployment is much higher in Europe with new arrivals, some of whom don't even speak the native language, but no one here is debating in favor of not stopping new immigration, or even extending the status of those who got in the last decade or two, they have to go back. In a country with over 10% unemployment and a high rate of citizens born from foreign stock, there is no room for further immigration.

-The prison rate for muslims in Canada is pretty close to their population levels, around 3%. Populations overrepresented in Canadian jails are mostly those from other third world countries and aboriginals. In Quebec and Ontario the majority of prisoners are Black youth (Haiti, Caribbean), those are the segments with the highest rates of broken/fatherless homes.

The prison rate for muslims in France is much higher, but it is no higher than the prison rate for other Africans (I would guess it's a bit lower). Mass immigration is not a muslim problem, mass immigration is a mass immigration problem.

There is indeed a metastasized muslim culture that breeds in the urban ghettos and jails, similar to the gang culture in America that breeds in Chicano or Black youth cultures, and this culture is fed by socialist policies and a culture of victimization, the same way it is done in US urban areas. In addition to this, there is also a salafist network that is funded by Gulf states and willfully allowed to fester like a sore wound in much of western Europe. But that's a fairly narrow issue in the context of this debate.

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SS grew up in the midwest US?? I thought he was central European.

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I grew up in Western Germanic Europe.

And back then it was already 8% Muslim. I never had issues with the Muslims I met because I saw only the few educated ones (3rd gen and less than 1% of their lot).

The issues are now far more palpable as they move higher into numbers. The unemployment numbers I mentioned include the women - aka - non-working adults and those are 80%. 20% unemployment benefits is for those who have ever worked and are mostly male. Muslim leaders know that the numbers are closer to 80%.

And I don't care if they work well - there is a shit-ton going on behind doors - from honor murders, to genital mutilations, to massive supporters of Jihad. 25% are supporting the bloody Calphate in Europe!

I don't care if I meet only nice educated lovely Muslims in private - and I do. And I also know converts who are great people. Also my 130+ IQ Afghani friend while not a convert is just an outlier. His entire family consists of intelligent guys who are geniuses of his tribe. I still would ban entry to all Muslims. He can convert for real if he feels like staying and would pass all the nationalist tests.

You never go into the reality of the religion or why they reproduce tribal shitholes or exploitative systems. You don't go into crime that is perpetrated in Europe. Entire schools in Germany are dysfunctional when even the more benign Turks begin to dominate them. That is a bloody fact, the religion and their scripture is fact and the crime is a fact. You have to kick them all out or it goes down. I don't care if you think that a 90% Islamic Britain will be just fine because you are playing Poker with some. Maybe you just convert and call it a day. I don't - I know that Western and British civilization will be gone. The Persians were a great people until they got conquered by the Arabs - it went downhill from then for them. The Muslims then later say that the inventions created by newly conquered Zoroastran Persians was due to Islam. Yeah - they will take credit for the Big Ben and Buckingham Palace later.

I am not pulling punches on the Zionists, but in the end it will be Muslims who will make a war of combat-bots on every corner necessary. Or you turn into an Islamic Brazil - great.

Though I agree with most things with you 911, so disagreeing over a few points is fine. I don't agree even with the best friends on everything - still best friends.
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^ Try and get yourself over to one of the Patriotic Alternative events next year dude. I'll happily host you, drive you around etc.

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I am curious, for those of you in Europe and a bit closer to the pulse of the chaos there:

If and when the muslim invaders get enough numbers to take over one of their host countries(probably Sweden is furthest along), how will that take place? Will they just start chopping the heads off of white leaders and declare a new goverment? Maybe elect leaders similar to Ilhan Omar in the USA and keep the system the same but just put muslims in charge? Would the rest of Europe cuck out and just watch it happen? I guess the UK or France could send troops to try to help, but would they get involved in a civil war between Swedes and their invited guests(the Muslim invaders)?

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If Islam was any threat to neoliberalism it would be neutralised in a weekend.

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By who? Uk is terrified of being called racist.

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If the situation you described actually happened all those platitudes would go out of the window. The Islamists would kick the bankers out and destroy usury in the first week. The City of London (city within a city) runs Britain and it's almost entirely J.

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(12-03-2019 05:13 PM)eradicator Wrote:  I am curious, for those of you in Europe and a bit closer to the pulse of the chaos there:

If and when the muslim invaders get enough numbers to take over one of their host countries(probably Sweden is furthest along), how will that take place? Will they just start chopping the heads off of white leaders and declare a new goverment? Maybe elect leaders similar to Ilhan Omar in the USA and keep the system the same but just put muslims in charge? Would the rest of Europe cuck out and just watch it happen? I guess the UK or France could send troops to try to help, but would they get involved in a civil war between Swedes and their invited guests(the Muslim invaders)?

First of all - UK, France and Sweden look to be moving at the same numbers in terms of Islamic population. Sweden is just more liberally cucked, but in Sweden at least they have an election system that can let true anti-immigration parties get a majority if things really get worse.

It's hard to tell who will fall first.

Also so far it's clear that the globalists are stopping Islamic parties. They wanted to start some in multiple countries, but from what I know only Netherlands and Belgium has managed to get one. And they can stop them in the future as well.
In the UK it's rather that Muslim candidates and mayors are getting elected on top of open-borders-pro-refugee parties in other Euro-countries. Muslims in many countries vote even for the pro-LGBTQ greens because those guys are even for full-open-borders.

The plans of the globalists likely entail a full destruction of the West in terms of ethnicity - plus a massive increase of Africans, probably genetic extermination. Also they likely want Europe to remain an attractive economic region, which will become increasingly difficult to pull off. I doubt that they want an Islamic Europe and there are ways to stop that. However - what would Muslims do when they are 40% of the population? You can bet your life, that they would move strongly towards a more Islamic republic and any progressivism would be wiped clean for sure. That in theory would not be so bad, but the question is whether there would be enough native Europeans left to fight back against an Islamization of a country.

I think that the real goals of the globalists are not Islamization, but just pushing an equal number of Muslims and Africans into Europe with the future focus on more Africans, making Europeans minorities and then ruling with combat-bots and combat-drones over the dumbed down divided masses. That means that they would rather want to prevent an Islamic majority everywhere - live in the well-guarded secure areas of Europe while the rest of the non-wealthy remaining Europeans can battle it out with 3rd worlders.

Also being 90% Muslim in one British or Swedish area is way different if 20% of the country turns Muslim. Still - we will see how things develop in the coming years. The US will lose the demographic majority long before Sweden or any European country. We shall see how this will work for the US which has an aggressive anti-White agenda that the French don't have by far. The US is in no risk of Islamic warfare, but becoming Mexico-Brazil does not sound too nice either.

Personally I am more blackpilled and perfectly willing to disembark the Titanic and watch from a boat nearby and say: "I told you so." when I hear the former civnats and progressives scream in panic as they realize that those supposedly ethno-nationalists were right. At least contrary to the fall of Rome - you can move to some Asian country or move to Poland so long as it's not enriched or involved in warfare.
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(12-02-2019 03:08 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  911 - you still haven't even fucking read the Quran or a good portion of the strong Hadiths. You know nothing of Islam.

It doesn't matter if the Saudis and Iran are globalist creations. Islam is Islam even if led by the same guys in some parts. The 1940s to 70s were top-down controlled secular reforms that all faltered from the 1970s onward returning to the old bloody ways of Islam.

I told you again and again that the top leadership is irrelevant, when Muslims the world over do a shit-ton of rapes, crimes and are 80% eternally unemployed in Europe. The daughter killing is part and parcel of Islam as well backed up by choice Hadiths on top of it. No one forces them to fill Western prisons at rates of 40-50% while being less than 10% of the population. This is not Zionist propaganda - this is a fact. The Zionists actually love and use the violent inbred Muslims to destroy Europe long-term.

I am pretty sure that I know more about muslims and islam than you do, you

-Unemployment among French muslims is around twice the national average, ~20%, not 80%. In Canada, muslim unemployment is around 5%-8% depending on the province. Unemployment is much higher in Europe with new arrivals, some of whom don't even speak the native language, but no one here is debating in favor of not stopping new immigration, or even extending the status of those who got in the last decade or two, they have to go back. In a country with over 10% unemployment and a high rate of citizens born from foreign stock, there is no room for further immigration.

-The prison rate for muslims in Canada is pretty close to their population levels, around 3%. Populations overrepresented in Canadian jails are mostly those from other third world countries and aboriginals. In Quebec and Ontario the majority of prisoners are Black youth (Haiti, Caribbean), those are the segments with the highest rates of broken/fatherless homes.

The prison rate for muslims in France is much higher, but it is no higher than the prison rate for other Africans (I would guess it's a bit lower). Mass immigration is not a muslim problem, mass immigration is a mass immigration problem.

There is indeed a metastasized muslim culture that breeds in the urban ghettos and jails, similar to the gang culture in America that breeds in Chicano or Black youth cultures, and this culture is fed by socialist policies and a culture of victimization, the same way it is done in US urban areas. In addition to this, there is also a salafist network that is funded by Gulf states and willfully allowed to fester like a sore wound in much of western Europe. But that's a fairly narrow issue in the context of this debate.

911 is right, generally, that Muslim's were not troublemakers in Canada pre "syrian refugees". Anecdotally, when I was in high school, the specific trouble makers were palestinian immigrants, not muslims from all nations. Those guys looked more like "chicken shop" UK muslims vs. Taliban muslims and had the same kinds of problems. They would have young girlfriends that they would beat etc.

At the time, in my area, asian gangs were actually a bigger problem than the palestinians. Now that was almost 30 years ago though.

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I had to respond to this.

(12-03-2019 10:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You have your lands and we ours. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever by intermingling our peoples and "trying to make it work".

Why? For what?

You have worn out your welcome. Get out. If you wont, then don't bother getting comfortable. You can do it with all your stuff now, voluntarily, or later, with the shirt on your back and your suitcase in hand, as is the tradition of your insufferable, hateful, backstabbing people and their mohammedean cousins.

I am not Jewish, I am a Muslim of European origin. After 9/11, I was super offensive to Muslims until one of my friends mentioned that they believe in Jesús too (pbuh) but differently. Having grown up in Christianity but never really accepting the doctrines of the Original Sin, Christ's sacrifice, Trinity etc. Islam gave me an alternative view on the Abrahamic story.

There is nothing me, you and the immigrants can do about the situation. Many of their older generation (the ones that did the migrating) miss their homes. I was against it too, but after thought, I decided to let the topic go. Change is part of life.

(12-03-2019 09:38 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  ISIS/Iatolah style Muslims are in charge. Like that pirate meme "I'm the captain now" They own Islam now. The 'real' and peaceful muslims would just be better off renaming themselves at this point. "We aren't Muslims, we are zoroastiranists"...oh wait, can't do that because that was the first religion that Islam murdered out of existence. Maybe "Mosqovites"

If a Mosqovite wanted to tell me about the peaceful practice of worshiping Mohamed and how they have turned their back on "Islam" I'd be a lot more willing to pay attention.

I do not know where to start. Our definitions of "ISIS style" differ, but they are definitely not in charge and never were. We call those Kharjites and they are a separate offshoot sect from Islam. They are not the Orthodoxy (Sunni) and never were. They used to get the death penalty in the Muslim world, now, they have swathes of land in failed states.

"Iatolah", I am guessing "Ayatollah". The Shi'ites and Sunnis are theologically irreconcilable, the Shi'a books are like the Talmud to Sunnis (which they keep secret from Sunnis as Taqiyya). The Sh'ia are also very Heterodox and diverse in their subsects, some still being Muslim (Zaidis), others confusing (Twelvers) and some admitting that they are no longer Muslim (Alawites, Alevis, Baha'is, some Ismailis etc). There were authentic reports in both Sunni and Shi'a sources that proto-Shi'a theological concepts were introduced by Abdullah Ibn Saba' who was an excommunicated Jew (for introducing foreign ideas into Judaism).

The Iranians follow a subsect of Twelver Shi'ism which allows the clergy into politics but has in fact allowed the Government into the religion instead (Guardianship of the Jurist). Many opposing clerics are persecuted in Iran. Imam Tawhidi is from the Shirazi subsect of Twelverism, which opposes the Iranian subsect and outright trolls Sunnis. He is not a Muslim at all.

The Muslim world is big and diverse in both area and history, there is a lot going in terms of philosophy, religion and politics.

Shi'ism deserves another thread in its own right.

"worshiping Mohamed", "Mosqovites", "murdered" - Likely a troll statement. There is a datasheet in the OP if serious.

I will add if there is anything to add - likely in a month or two, for now bye.
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Muslim of European origin - either converted (now or in the last centuries) or a descendant of the slaves in the Arab world. Islam and Europe do not belong together - they have been at conflict with each other with hundreds of wars for 1300 years.

The entire cult should have long been banned.
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(Yesterday 03:22 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Muslim of European origin - either converted (now or in the last centuries) or a descendant of the slaves in the Arab world. Islam and Europe do not belong together - they have been at conflict with each other with hundreds of wars for 1300 years.

The entire cult should have long been banned.

Reconquista is what it will take now. It's been done before. It can be done again. This time around we can use this eye-of-sauron technology the globalists have developed to assemble a new inquisition and very cleanly root out everyone that doesn't belong.

If that buys us another 500 years of uninterrupted local eugenics then that's fine.

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(Yesterday 03:16 AM)y2k Wrote:  I had to respond to this.

(12-03-2019 10:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You have your lands and we ours. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever by intermingling our peoples and "trying to make it work".

Why? For what?

You have worn out your welcome. Get out. If you wont, then don't bother getting comfortable. You can do it with all your stuff now, voluntarily, or later, with the shirt on your back and your suitcase in hand, as is the tradition of your insufferable, hateful, backstabbing people and their mohammedean cousins.

I am not Jewish, I am a Muslim of European origin. After 9/11, I was super offensive to Muslims until one of my friends mentioned that they believe in Jesús too (pbuh) but differently. Having grown up in Christianity but never really accepting the doctrines of the Original Sin, Christ's sacrifice, Trinity etc. Islam gave me an alternative view on the Abrahamic story.

There is nothing me, you and the immigrants can do about the situation. Many of their older generation (the ones that did the migrating) miss their homes. I was against it too, but after thought, I decided to let the topic go. Change is part of life.

(12-03-2019 09:38 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  ISIS/Iatolah style Muslims are in charge. Like that pirate meme "I'm the captain now" They own Islam now. The 'real' and peaceful muslims would just be better off renaming themselves at this point. "We aren't Muslims, we are zoroastiranists"...oh wait, can't do that because that was the first religion that Islam murdered out of existence. Maybe "Mosqovites"

If a Mosqovite wanted to tell me about the peaceful practice of worshiping Mohamed and how they have turned their back on "Islam" I'd be a lot more willing to pay attention.

I do not know where to start. Our definitions of "ISIS style" differ, but they are definitely not in charge and never were. We call those Kharjites and they are a separate offshoot sect from Islam. They are not the Orthodoxy (Sunni) and never were. They used to get the death penalty in the Muslim world, now, they have swathes of land in failed states.

"Iatolah", I am guessing "Ayatollah". The Shi'ites and Sunnis are theologically irreconcilable, the Shi'a books are like the Talmud to Sunnis (which they keep secret from Sunnis as Taqiyya). The Sh'ia are also very Heterodox and diverse in their subsects, some still being Muslim (Zaidis), others confusing (Twelvers) and some admitting that they are no longer Muslim (Alawites, Alevis, Baha'is, some Ismailis etc). There were authentic reports in both Sunni and Shi'a sources that proto-Shi'a theological concepts were introduced by Abdullah Ibn Saba' who was an excommunicated Jew (for introducing foreign ideas into Judaism).

The Iranians follow a subsect of Twelver Shi'ism which allows the clergy into politics but has in fact allowed the Government into the religion instead (Guardianship of the Jurist). Many opposing clerics are persecuted in Iran. Imam Tawhidi is from the Shirazi subsect of Twelverism, which opposes the Iranian subsect and outright trolls Sunnis. He is not a Muslim at all.

The Muslim world is big and diverse in both area and history, there is a lot going in terms of philosophy, religion and politics.

Shi'ism deserves another thread in its own right.

"worshiping Mohamed", "Mosqovites", "murdered" - Likely a troll statement. There is a datasheet in the OP if serious.

I will add if there is anything to add - likely in a month or two, for now bye.

Your response is that of an insider, I am telling you as an outsider that your sect does not own the term "Muslim" anymore. You are better off describing yourself as a Sunni, Shia etc.

A comparison is if you met someone that was a Mennonite, Shaker, or an Othodox Quaker. Your reaction and description to someone else would be "I saw an Amish person, black hat grey beard, horse and buggy" The individual, the insider, could tell you how their religion is specifically different than the Amish despite the similar dress. The Amish "own" that denomination.

As for the "Mosqovites" yes that was a trollish statement, but serious example, along with the elimination of the Zoroastians. Someone may say "oh well, what about the old testament, they killed scores of people from other religions". The rebuttal is, that we are under a new covenant. Islam is an "old testament" mentality. You may replace the word "Islam" with Kharjite if it makes the argument easier, but I will reiterate, that to the world of people that are not practicing muslims, Kharjite's are THE Muslims and Islam, your sect is something else.

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