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08-29-2019 06:19 AM
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RE: Greenland
I'm in favor of Greenland joining the US. I knew about US occupation of Greenland during WW2, and about Thule AFB, but I didn't know we had offered to buy Greenland in the 1860's, and again after WW2. The benefit of having a large piece of valuable real estate is obvious, as well as the strategic benefits. It would also enlarge the US territory by 1/3, which would be cool as well.
The kicker is that China and US rivals in general have all been looking for ways to exploit Greenland's resources, so it's a winning move for the US to take it instead.

As for Denmark, they are our ally, although I know we do not see eye to eye on everything. Greenland is currently a net drain on Denmark, which has a tiny population. They might stand to make money if they keep Greenland and can benefit from resource development, but it's probably more than they can handle given their small size. They would be better to cash in with selling Greenland. Their national debt of $113 billion is 36% of their GDP. They could probably pay off a large chunk of this debt with the money the US would pay for Greenland.

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RE: Greenland
I think Greenland would make a nice, soviet-style, frozen prison for all the dissidents. I wonder if someone in the Pentagon has thought of such a thing.

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08-29-2019 09:12 AM
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RE: Greenland
Cool. New Territory for people to move to and start a new life. Reminds me of the old western days where Americans marched west to look for new opportunities.

But then again we do have Puerto Rico, Guam, the Bahamas and all the little islands in between that no one is moving too.

And also, I would assume that the people of Greenland want to be independent from Denmark and the US.
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08-29-2019 09:32 AM
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RE: Greenland
My source on Greenland (unbelievably I actually have one) says that the people there were infuriated by Trump talking about buying them like cattle. I can't imagine them choosing to willingly secede to the US. They might get a bit of money out of it but their culture, their genetics, their self-determination and ultimately their way of life would be destroyed forever.

Currently Russian occupation is a better outcome than ZOG occupation.

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08-29-2019 10:24 AM
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RE: Greenland
Yeah - the marxist need their siberia to create the gulags in the future for all the wrong-thinkers.
08-30-2019 10:03 AM
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(08-30-2019 10:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Yeah - the marxist need their siberia to create the gulags in the future for all the wrong-thinkers.

Or, America could put its SuperMax and trial facilities for high risk prisoners like Jeffrey Epstein there. You wouldn't even need to build walls. You would just need to make sure to rotate staff, lawyers, and judges back to mainland as much as possible.

As well, anyone seeking "asylum" in America could be sent there to be processed. Processed very, very, very slowly.
08-30-2019 10:18 AM
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RE: Greenland
(08-30-2019 10:18 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 10:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Yeah - the marxist need their siberia to create the gulags in the future for all the wrong-thinkers.

Or, America could put its SuperMax and trial facilities for high risk prisoners like Jeffrey Epstein there. You wouldn't even need to build walls. You would just need to make sure to rotate staff, lawyers, and judges back to mainland as much as possible.

As well, anyone seeking "asylum" in America could be sent there to be processed. Processed very, very, very slowly.

The US is already deep in marxist land. The reverse is unlikely. Trump is like the last Czar while the Bolsheviks are already in charge of pretty much everything.

My guess is that they need Greenland because the debt load is not getting easier and they found resources that they will extract with some new methods. If things get desperate in some future economic pressure for the US, then I expect the USA to simply invade and take Greenland. There isn't much Greenland or the EU can do about it anyway. No one will go to war over this - not even the Danes will want to lift a finger.

As for comparisons with the Krim - it's not the same since Greenland always belonged to the descendants of the Vikings - war occupation for strategic reasons don't matter. Ukraine was and is dysfunction while Russia is less dysfunctional and the Krim was once Russian. Whether the local Danes vote for it should not play a role frankly. By that account - if someone one some Hawaiian island votes to become Japanese, you just let them?

Either way - I wonder what this thing is truly about.... Did they find some giant mineral reserves in Greenland or what?
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08-30-2019 10:24 AM
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It's all about Thule
(08-29-2019 10:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  My source on Greenland (unbelievably I actually have one) says that the people there were infuriated by Trump talking about buying them like cattle. I can't imagine them choosing to willingly secede to the US. They might get a bit of money out of it but their culture, their genetics, their self-determination and ultimately their way of life would be destroyed forever.

Currently Russian occupation is a better outcome than ZOG occupation.

If that is the case and they want to preserve their independence, then they must make sure that Thule is protected at all costs and someone needs to give them and the Danes a stern lecture on that.

Letting China and possibly Russia run around in Greenland is an absolute no-no. If they really need a contractor or investment funds, they should call the Japanese, Dutch, or Canadians.

Screaming "but it's our sovereign right!" will fall on the deaf ears of all parts of the USA besides the hard left and anti-American minorities.
08-30-2019 10:36 AM
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In military real estate, it's all about Thule, Thule, Thule
(08-30-2019 10:24 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 10:18 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 10:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Yeah - the marxist need their siberia to create the gulags in the future for all the wrong-thinkers.

Or, America could put its SuperMax and trial facilities for high risk prisoners like Jeffrey Epstein there. You wouldn't even need to build walls. You would just need to make sure to rotate staff, lawyers, and judges back to mainland as much as possible.

As well, anyone seeking "asylum" in America could be sent there to be processed. Processed very, very, very slowly.

The US is already deep in marxist land. The reverse is unlikely. Trump is like the last Czar while the Bolsheviks are already in charge of pretty much everything.

My guess is that they need Greenland because the debt load is not getting easier and they found resources that they will extract with some new methods. If things get desperate in some future economic pressure for the US, then I expect the USA to simply invade and take Greenland. There isn't much Greenland or the EU can do about it anyway. No one will go to war over this - not even the Danes will want to lift a finger.

As for comparisons with the Krim - it's not the same since Greenland always belonged to the descendants of the Vikings - war occupation for strategic reasons don't matter. Ukraine was and is dysfunction while Russia is less dysfunctional and the Krim was once Russian. Whether the local Danes vote for it should not play a role frankly. By that account - if someone one some Hawaiian island votes to become Japanese, you just let them?

Either way - I wonder what this thing is truly about.... Did they find some giant mineral reserves in Greenland or what?

America's desire for Greenland has nothing to do with creeping cultural marxism, the migrant invasion of the USA, money, or natural resources.

The only thing America really cares about when it comes to Greenland and Denmark is Thule Air Base. It is one of the most important strategic military assets of the USA since it allows early detection of a nuclear ballistic missile attack going over the Arctic.

This dust up is due to the Greenland and Danish governments allowing China to build dual use facilities in Greenland and to try to put the Greenland government into so much debt that China can pressure them to shut down Thule, which the USA would take as an act of war.
08-30-2019 10:47 AM
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RE: Greenland
I think it's just another stupid distraction for the proles.

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RE: Greenland
My father helped to build the DEW line in Alaska in the 50s. Missles are detected by satellite for the last several decades, not radar bases.

I think owning Greenland gives you a slice of the oil and minerals under the North Pole

Having a second Guantanamo also interesting
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RE: Greenland
Russia is moving a ship with a nuclear reactor to the north
Russia just finished blowing up a flying nuclear reactor up north
Russia also had a fire on it's "undersea transatlantic internet cable cutting subermine"
Russia also wants it's Northern fleet at Murmusk to slip into North Atlantic not between Iceland and Europe
Talk about Putin as Dr No or crazy Ivan
This guy is a huge world threat.... anywhere he shows interest
China not only has a business interest currently in Greenland but it is sending ships into the Arctic ... to probably look for oil and China has no problem making up a Dash 8 line for itself and may go to war for oil in SEA

Who owns the Arctic? A cluster of northern countries keep meeting and all have claims but none can agree

What happens if China just makes a claim at the north pole?

Why is Antarctica treated different than the Arctic.... because of politics...and power

Canada has had a long term beef with Denmark because we both claim a bunch of rock islands as ours ...even our prime minister went up and stood on the rocks and shook his hockey stick at them

Denmark isn't pulling its weight in Nato.... now it can help the alliance....it sucks owning a money draining piece of real estate but better if you can sell the real estate and also get a pat on the back for doing some good for the group (alliance)

As a Canada guy I say Greenlanders should just join the States with no money for it and then the States can give Canada back it's rock islands

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RE: Greenland
They should take Newfoundland too, which was an option when the Brits gave it up in the 40s. If PM Peoplekind gets re-elected then the province of Alberta may be knocking on uncle Sam’s door in the near future.

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(08-30-2019 03:57 PM)Incubus Wrote:  Who owns the Arctic? A cluster of northern countries keep meeting and all have claims but none can agree . . . Why is Antarctica treated different than the Arctic.... because of politics...and power

The arctic is owned proportionately by the countries that border it - US/Alska, Canada, Greenland, Russia, etc.

The Antarctic is bordered by countries deemed undesirable, so the powers that be declared (for now) that no one owns it.
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RE: Greenland
Quote:The only thing America really cares about when it comes to Greenland and Denmark is Thule Air Base. It is one of the most important strategic military assets of the USA since it allows early detection of a nuclear ballistic missile attack going over the Arctic.

This dust up is due to the Greenland and Danish governments allowing China to build dual use facilities in Greenland and to try to put the Greenland government into so much debt that China can pressure them to shut down Thule, which the USA would take as an act of war.

This is correct- the importance is because of China and Russia.

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RE: Greenland
I think Norway and Finland and maybe even Iceland may be part of the Arctic country group that agree to disagree on ownership of the Arctic

I may of listed some bad things Russia was doing in the Arctic (mostly nuclear ecological disater items) but I also read that the russians scrap old nuclear powered subs up north
The way they do it is by cutting the bottom of the sub out and letting the reactor sink to the bottom of the arctic ocean,,,,,then breakdown the iron into scrap

I am pretty sure the Danes and Canada or anyone other country can police the area like the States can. If trump proposed getting bigger in the Arctic it also means taking on more responsibilities in the North
So far Canada Norway and global warming hypocrite countries allow Russia to use the Arctic like a radioactive garbage dump....and turn a blind eye while raising our taxes to save polar bears and peguins

At some point the States will have had enough of being polite

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RE: Greenland
(08-30-2019 10:18 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 10:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Yeah - the marxist need their siberia to create the gulags in the future for all the wrong-thinkers.

Or, America could put its SuperMax and trial facilities for high risk prisoners like Jeffrey Epstein there. You wouldn't even need to build walls. You would just need to make sure to rotate staff, lawyers, and judges back to mainland as much as possible.

As well, anyone seeking "asylum" in America could be sent there to be processed. Processed very, very, very slowly.

We already have Alaska, we don't need Greenland if we wanted to build frozen wasteland gulags

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RE: Greenland
For one second, I thought this is a Greenland Datasheet..
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(09-02-2019 02:35 PM)mehdreamer Wrote:  For one second, I thought this is a Greenland Datasheet..

Day Bang - Greenland

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