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Congratulations!!!

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You made a tough decision, but the right one. It's unfortunate that women today chooses careers over raising families. Women can't have two masters. Instead of following your lead, she chooses to follow her boss. A recipe for disaster.

It's sad, really. The mental state of a women around age 24 today, in her prime years, is to work hard like a man. Then 10 years later she will be saying she is ready to start a family near age 35. But by that time, what's the point. You're old, lack feminine qualities and near the wall.

Plus let's be real, a marriage in these times is nothing more than a retirement plan for these strong and independent women. They love to prey on foolish men who make critical decisions based on feelings.
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You made the right call and dodged a major bullet.

(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think eventually the influence of work and friends overtook the baby fever. The good influence of my friend's wife was on the other side of the country. Things came to a head. She said she only wanted one or two kids but would compromise on 3, and wouldn't stay home with them beyond the 8 weeks of maternity leave the company gives. This was a big step back from the conversations we had before that of having 4-6 kids.

Part of the issue is that throughout the relationship my values have gotten much more conservative. Things I would have been ok with a few years ago aren't ok anymore. I think if you are going to be in a committed relationship as a woman you shouldn't be going out and drinking apart from your husband.

I think that kids need more than 8 weeks of the mother's care before getting kicked off to the sitter. More and more it just seems crazy to outsource the raising of your kids. But, her opinion was that it's better to have the extra cash she gets from working and that she wouldn't give up the satisfaction she gets from her job. People always say that a woman's attitude changes after kids but you can't bank on that to happen.

The moment she said that she would put job/career over family is the moment you should have dumped her.

If you want to do the sole provider/traditional relationship deal in the USA, you have to be completely ruthless in cutting off people who aren't 100% on-board with the lifestyle; both in words AND actions. As you noted, overwhelming external forces are trying to fuck-up your ideal relationship every day; to say USA culture and legal system is very anti-family would be a vast understatement. This isn't news. However, you MUST completely seal up cracks in the armor ASAP or you MUST dump the woman. Holes in the armor expand rapidly if left unattended. Sounds like you attempted some half measures to fix things but what you really needed to do was lay down the law hard at the first sign of trouble.

No happy hours.
No contact with bad influences.
Quit your job today and get ready for babies or I'm out.

Her actions clearly indicated eventually she had no interest in being a housewife. And while you can lay down the law and hope that corrects things, you can't fight the tide forever. Don't beat yourself up over it; just be ready to cut things off the moment the Red Line is crossed so you can invest your time into better candidates.

Furthermore, the 18-25 demographic in the USA is a very tricky one to deal when it comes to this stuff. LOTS of them around 22-24 (usually shortly after college) get a taste of career life and get fully engulfed into the Independent Woman culture BS. Trying to find a stable 20 year old chick down (and I mean REALLY down) for being completely dependent on a man in the USA is extremely difficult. EVERYTHING around them is telling them that the traditional lifestyle is wrong/stupid/boring/hard work/not fun/etc.

Hence why again, you have to plug up holes in the armor ASAP or dump the woman with extreme prejudice without hesitation once the Red Line has been crossed. Only super strong foundations can survive the constant onslaught of BS. Once they're broken, they're generally broken for good.

As a side note, you might want to also re-evaluate the whole idea of getting legally married in the USA since you can do the traditional sole provider thing without giving your woman un-necessary legal/financial leverage over you. Not so the case in other places with "common law" marriage rules. I would argue that your odds of success are significantly higher by NOT getting legally married.

Think about it like this:

1. You acknowledge overwhelming negative forces that you must contend with constantly.

2. So your plan to fight that is to give up the ONE piece of leverage you have over a woman:

2a. Signing a legal contract that entitles her to unfair amounts of resources the moment she decides to have her Eat Pray Fuck epiphany with virtually no upside on your end. In short, you're literally signing a binding contract that incentives her to BLOW UP your marriage and family.

3. Frankly, I think that's pretty stupid from a purely tactical standpoint when trying to maintain a relationship and family in Clown World USA 2019. But to each and their own I suppose. Do you have any understanding of how bad sole-providers get divorced raped? It's brutal.

That all said: There are plenty of women out there in the world down with a traditional relationship and there are better environments to have them in. But you must be very ruthless and tactical about how you go about it no matter the circumstances since the game never really ends; especially in litigious fucked up cultures such as the USA. Count yourself extremely lucky that she didn't compromise and "try-out" the traditional relationship deal with you ultimately.

Do you know what child support with 6 kids looks like? It ain't pretty.
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(09-03-2019 09:19 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I just got a call from my friend. Apparently his wife reached out to my ex to say she was there for her if she wanted to talk and they had a long conversation.

My friend told me his wife came back into the house in tears and said my ex was a bitch. He said he didn't get all the details of the conversation except that they talked about some of the compromises and his wife said that she wasn't going to change. She also told the wife that the only people who come to religion are crack heads, which is a pretty sad thing to say to someone who made you the godmother to one of her children. These two girls used to be thick as thieves.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? - 2Cor 6:14

You made the right call.
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(09-04-2019 12:57 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  The moment she said that she would put job/career over family is the moment you should have dumped her.

(09-04-2019 12:57 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  you have to be completely ruthless in cutting off people who aren't 100% on-board with the lifestyle;

This.

There will probably be many men here who will find a decent woman that looks like she could be a good wife on the outside, only to later find out that he lost her to her friends, family and modernism that wanted her to go the career path and have kids as she's about to turn 40. It's a common scenario these days for traditional men.

I think the lesson here is to accept early on, that you will simply not win that kind of war and move on as soon as she talked about career as something extremly important. Otherwise you risk wasting 5 years on a woman you're not compatible with.
09-04-2019 03:35 AM
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Been in a similar situation before, though I'm nix to comment on my own domestic arrangement at the present moment, I will say that you saved yourself a world of pain and agony as well as being a victim of female vampirism. Male to female wealth transference is inevitable after a certain point on the relationship timeline. Unless she comes from money, then you just have to keep her stimulated for the remainder of her life (not a bad gig but not the ideal one either).

You watch the slow rot of corruption take hold inside the female psyche, like a dark seed, it plants itself, burrows itself deep, ever so deep. Then little roots begin to grow, tendrils sprout, as the biological clock ticks and the exposure to insufferable American misery society grows, so too does the corrupted organism. It's almost memetic, though I disregard most of Darwin's theories as false, this maladaptive trait festers and lingers, until bearing its presence for all to see like a swollen pustule in plain sight, then its too late. The assimilation is complete. She is no longer a fertile woman, and has abandoned her purpose for the machinations of the something she will never understand, and hopefully will not regret for eternity, though likely.

Only one solution:
Get the girl young & fertile,
buns ---> ovens
Raise them, love them, kick them because you love them, thats where it all begins!

Best of luck to you in your next relationship, I will pray that the fallout from this one doesn't affect you too harshly bro.
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(09-03-2019 07:11 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  Something in her body was definitely changing. I was raw dogging her a week ago without birth control and I felt like she was trying resist me pulling out. We were fucking multiple times a day. Shit changed quick.

Wait, why were you pulling out? It's your legitimate fiancee, and on top of that, you wanted to keep her homebound and get her to ditch her job. Yet you were painstakingly avoiding to get her pregnant, and did so during 5 years. As others said, you had 5 years to get the hot fiancee pregnant, plus you had no problem with money, it seems. So, why the procrastination, with all due respect?

By pulling out, you sabotaged your plans as described above, and it can be that you did that because you weren't really ready to spend your life with her... Something held you off maybe, and in any case the soon-to-be wife probably and understandably thought so.

So lesson is, and it goes for all of us: if you want "6 children" with a hot 19-24 university-educated chick you're living with, just get her pregnant. The sooner the better. By "accident" or planning. If you don't, she'll choose a nice office job over maternity. Or another man will get her pregnant without over-thinking it.
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(09-04-2019 03:24 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
Quote:Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? - 2Cor 6:14

You made the right call.
I don't if you posted this before in another thread but before I pulled the trigger on this I did some searching on the forum and it resonated with me.

(09-04-2019 06:26 AM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  Best of luck to you in your next relationship, I will pray that the fallout from this one doesn't affect you too harshly bro.

I appreciate that. Luckily I don't see this affecting me too harshly because I had my right of passage breakup when I was younger that I let destroy me, which eventually led me here.

I already went through the anger phase, it will be interesting to see how I come away from this but I only imagine it will be better.

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(09-03-2019 07:11 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  Something in her body was definitely changing. I was raw dogging her a week ago without birth control and I felt like she was trying resist me pulling out. We were fucking multiple times a day. Shit changed quick.

Wait, why were you pulling out? It's your legitimate fiancee, and on top of that, you wanted to keep her homebound and get her to ditch her job. Yet you were painstakingly avoiding to get her pregnant, and did so during 5 years. As others said, you had 5 years to get the hot fiancee pregnant, plus you had no problem with money, it seems. So, why the procrastination, with all due respect?

By pulling out, you sabotaged your plans as described above, and it can be that you did that because you weren't really ready to spend your life with her... Something held you off maybe, and in any case the soon-to-be wife probably and understandably thought so.

So lesson is, and it goes for all of us: if you want "6 children" with a hot 19-24 university-educated chick you're living with, just get her pregnant. The sooner the better. By "accident" or planning. If you don't, she'll choose a nice office job over maternity. Or another man will get her pregnant without over-thinking it.

Over thinking it was part of the problem. Part of it was that I didn't really want kids until the last year or two of the relationship. I kept thinking I wanted to wait until there was just a little more money on the table, that kind of thing. Looking back there was no good reason for it. We could have easily supported kids at any point.

As other people have pointed out, the modern long term relationship concept where you date forever before getting on with it is a big reason this didn't work. I think a big takeaway from this is that if you want a more traditional arrangement you have to get married early and start knocking her up. Over the past couple years I've shed the last bits of modernism in myself but it was too late. At an earlier point I legitimately thought I everything would be fine if I drug the process out longer. Now I see the mistake in that.
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(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

Even Mormonism and Islam aren't much of a barrier anymore from the cultural degeneracy (Ilhan Omar's affairs anyone?).

Thanks for this Mayhem. It's likely going to be painful in the short term, but you seem to acknowledge that there were too many accumulating negative indicia for you to be happy long term. Trust your instincts. They seem quite good.
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You made the right call OP. In a year you will be thanking yourself.
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(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  The one thing I will say is that it reinforces the opinion that I already had that trying to have a traditional relationships puts you in a full on fight against the modern world. It's like a war where the enemy is all around you with their degenerate propaganda threatening to destroy what you are building. I don't say that to steer people away from relationships. I hate doomers. Just know what you are up against.

At some point I might revisit this and add some of the lessons but at this point I'm burnt out on it. For the first time in my life I've got nothing holding me anywhere. I am going to buy an enclosed trailer to put my shit in, hitch up to my truck and hit the road.

I mentioned this in this one thread about the Redpilling of women.

Guys who think that it's enough to have just kids and go along are deluded.

A woman in our times has to accept the entire gamut of our belief system, she can be more conservative than we are, but not less.

You likely did the right thing as you saw her getting enamored with the strong independent lifestyle. If she had surrounded herself with tradwives, then it would be something else. Also the change in her child-rearing view is very clearly influenced by those stronk independent wahmen and divorcees. In the past married or engaged women avoided divorced ones for a multitude of reasons. Now those women are praised beyond belief.

My assessment is that your wife-material woman has to accept the entire length of your views, be inoculated against mainstream programming - and best she should be more conservative. I was in a LTR with one girl once who was more conservative than me and it did not bother me one bit that she had a stronger view against abortion or that she was stricter on sluts than I was. The reverse however - that is certainly an issue.

As for women deriving value out of their jobs - even very smart women rarely do that really. They just saw one side of the argument. They haven't hung out with a bunch of non-working happy young moms who spend their days with a bit of cooking and then inviting other moms over for chats. But nowadays only certain strata afford that.
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(09-04-2019 10:59 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

I'll try. With God's help.
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It's very sad to see the marriage rate in America Collapse in real time like this. I agree with some of the posters here that a very, very long courtship with no marriage is in many ways a bad indicator in itself.
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(09-04-2019 10:59 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

I'll try. With God's help.

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(09-04-2019 03:34 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  The one thing I will say is that it reinforces the opinion that I already had that trying to have a traditional relationships puts you in a full on fight against the modern world. It's like a war where the enemy is all around you with their degenerate propaganda threatening to destroy what you are building. I don't say that to steer people away from relationships. I hate doomers. Just know what you are up against.

At some point I might revisit this and add some of the lessons but at this point I'm burnt out on it. For the first time in my life I've got nothing holding me anywhere. I am going to buy an enclosed trailer to put my shit in, hitch up to my truck and hit the road.

I mentioned this in this one thread about the Redpilling of women.

Guys who think that it's enough to have just kids and go along are deluded.

A woman in our times has to accept the entire gamut of our belief system, she can be more conservative than we are, but not less.

You likely did the right thing as you saw her getting enamored with the strong independent lifestyle. If she had surrounded herself with tradwives, then it would be something else. Also the change in her child-rearing view is very clearly influenced by those stronk independent wahmen and divorcees. In the past married or engaged women avoided divorced ones for a multitude of reasons. Now those women are praised beyond belief.

My assessment is that your wife-material woman has to accept the entire length of your views, be inoculated against mainstream programming - and best she should be more conservative. I was in a LTR with one girl once who was more conservative than me and it did not bother me one bit that she had a stronger view against abortion or that she was stricter on sluts than I was. The reverse however - that is certainly an issue.

As for women deriving value out of their jobs - even very smart women rarely do that really. They just saw one side of the argument. They haven't hung out with a bunch of non-working happy young moms who spend their days with a bit of cooking and then inviting other moms over for chats. But nowadays only certain strata afford that.

Yeah and it's interesting to me how she turned out the way she did despite attending catholic school and spending a lot of time with her ultra catholic grandparents.

It was easy for me to see how that upbringing ingrained certain values in her, even if she refused to believe it. She's always shown a distain for sluts, women's empowerment, and abortion.

I also think she knows she's not a strong independent woman to an extent. She is going to be fucked trying to finish this house with her dad and has said that. At some point it's going to hit her hard when she has to mow the lawn and there's nobody around to fix things.

On the other hand, there's all the bad influences she had growing up. I think in a lot of ways her relationship with her older sister fucked her up in a lot of ways. The whole family downplays it somewhat but from what I heard she sounded batshit crazy.

Of course the one time I tried questioning if her mother staying home more instead of working so much would have prevented that she exploded.

Her mom's side of the family is a train wreck, like the kind of people who should be living in the worst trailer park but the grandparents timed one dip in the stock market and saved that from happening.

Knowing what I know now I would screen for a girl who came from a more stable family and I would do that early on. My girl had a good relationship with her dad, but the rest was fucked beyond belief, especially her mom's side.

I don't know if I mentioned it in the OP but she was in daily contact with my friend's wife who stays at home full time at two kids. My ex did mention towards the end that she thought she would go crazy doing that, didn't want that life, just railed against it pretty hard.

Of course, one good influence that lives across the country can only do so much good. There needs to be enough other females so the girl can understand that is the cool thing to do.
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(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

I'll try. With God's help.

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I see we had the same thing in mind when reading "crazy isolationist cult". But maybe these are the sane people and everyone around them is the crazy cult worshiping idols.

Nevertheless joining the Amish would be Easy Mode, while I chose Hard Mode: Embedded into a crazy eco-fascist society flooded with immigrants, with no resources and no suitable wife in sight, having all odds against me. After men have explored all parts of the world including the poles, climbed all mountains and sailed all seas, having a traditional family with lots of children seems to be the ultimate challenge for a white man in the 21st century.

Though I have to admit that I'm absolutely unable to bring that on myself. So I'm trusting this to the Lord, fully relinquishing control and waiting for Him to fulfill His plan. Sounds completely nuts and impossible, right? Yeah, that's why I'm rolling with it.
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The difference in attitude seems like a deal breaker and I'm happy for you that you can civilly agree on that between the two of you.

I had some thoughts about your requirement on wanting to have 4-6 kids though. If you're working to support the family, do you think you can give enough of yourself in the remaining hours of your day when you aren't working to nurture and give love to 5-7 other humans (4-6 kids plus your wife)? I'm assuming here that you agree that it's important that a strong present father figure is an important in the development of raising children alongside having a present mother figure. Plus, factor in some leftover time to nurture YOURSELF (though fitness, hobbies, or whatever) so that you're in a good mental state to be a positive presence to your family too.

Just looking at the math it seems like a person would be spread pretty thin.

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If one of the conservative Christian or semi-Christian groups, such as the Mormons or Amish, can somehow square the circle and recruit aggressively, we could be in for interesting times. Maybe the Mormons are best placed to do this, but they seem somewhat cucked, and their beliefs are even harder to swallow than mainstream Christianity.
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If am Amish type group existed, with a lot of infrastructure, it's own land and universities etc, and they said you are welcome to join and after a few years membership, vetting by elders and completion of education etc, we will give you subsidized land, housing, job opportunities, and access to our matchmaking services, how many men would join?

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(09-05-2019 03:51 AM)RawGod Wrote:  If one of the conservative Christian or semi-Christian groups, such as the Mormons or Amish, can somehow square the circle and recruit aggressively, we could be in for interesting times. Maybe the Mormons are best placed to do this, but they seem somewhat cucked, and their beliefs are even harder to swallow than mainstream Christianity.
But think about it
If am Amish type group existed, with a lot of infrastructure, it's own land and universities etc, and they said you are welcome to join and after a few years membership, vetting by elders and completion of education etc, we will give you subsidized land, housing, job opportunities, and access to our matchmaking services, how many men would join?

My prediction is that if the Amish were some kind of futurustic Christian offshoot who instead of wanting to stay in the 1880s would want to accept all positive technologies possible without any ones that impact their moral Christian way of life - then the Amish might be the biggest religion and tribe in the US by now with millions of converts. Essentially they would have to censor pretty much all Hollywood entertainment and most educational fields, create their own advanced universities while only trading with the "English" and the "Asians" to get technological upgrades. Though my guess is that such a sect would become too dangerous to the real elite - they would rather nuke them or done something else to them.

The funny part is that technology can serve sane society models well - even enforce them. Though it would cut short with absolute liberalism since you simply cannot even allow for apps like Tinder - unless you make it Marriage-Tinder and add an option that necessitates consent and approval of both parents for the first date.
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-05-2019 03:34 AM)rvlefty Wrote:  The difference in attitude seems like a deal breaker and I'm happy for you that you can civilly agree on that between the two of you.

I had some thoughts about your requirement on wanting to have 4-6 kids though. If you're working to support the family, do you think you can give enough of yourself in the remaining hours of your day when you aren't working to nurture and give love to 5-7 other humans (4-6 kids plus your wife)? I'm assuming here that you agree that it's important that a strong present father figure is an important in the development of raising children alongside having a present mother figure. Plus, factor in some leftover time to nurture YOURSELF (though fitness, hobbies, or whatever) so that you're in a good mental state to be a positive presence to your family too.

Just looking at the math it seems like a person would be spread pretty thin.

This is the tradcon fallacy of looking at the 1950's nuclear family model of community as the gold standard for traditionalism.

In pre-industrial societies, the father wasn't the only masculine figure involved in raising of children. Grandparents, uncles, community elders, etc. It wasn't just one man's burden to bear.

All that has been lost in modern society and the tradcons don't even realize it.

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(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  We have been civil about the whole thing and spent the last two days talking about what to do.
She said at one point that I don't appreciate the things that she values most about herself and she probably doesn't appreciate the things I value most about myself.

The Thrill had Gone.

Girls don't say these meaningless platitudes and act all philosophical when they're desperate to stay in a relationship with/ in the bed of.. the guy they're with.

Sounds like she wanted out... but in typical female fashion wanted you to take responsibility and make all the decisions
and so she dragged her feet passive-aggressively until you felt you had no choice anymore.
Probably had that exit strategy planned out for a while.

As others have said, you are much better off without her.
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Would be interesting to have a follow up in 10-15 years to see how this woman's life turned out. There's usually about 3 scenarios for women like this that I can think of.

In best case she'll mature a bit and settle for a nice guy before she hits 30 and have a few kids. In worst case she refuse to do that and keeps dating cocky confident guys (badboys), increase her notch count, is unable to form long term relationships and will panic as she's about to turn 40 and might end up with no kids and become a lonely hog.

Or she'll wait until like 33 and then has to lower her standards significantly to the point that she'll eventually end up divorce the guy she has kids with.
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(09-05-2019 04:52 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 03:51 AM)RawGod Wrote:  If one of the conservative Christian or semi-Christian groups, such as the Mormons or Amish, can somehow square the circle and recruit aggressively, we could be in for interesting times. Maybe the Mormons are best placed to do this, but they seem somewhat cucked, and their beliefs are even harder to swallow than mainstream Christianity.
But think about it
If am Amish type group existed, with a lot of infrastructure, it's own land and universities etc, and they said you are welcome to join and after a few years membership, vetting by elders and completion of education etc, we will give you subsidized land, housing, job opportunities, and access to our matchmaking services, how many men would join?

My prediction is that if the Amish were some kind of futurustic Christian offshoot who instead of wanting to stay in the 1880s would want to accept all positive technologies possible without any ones that impact their moral Christian way of life - then the Amish might be the biggest religion and tribe in the US by now with millions of converts. Essentially they would have to censor pretty much all Hollywood entertainment and most educational fields, create their own advanced universities while only trading with the "English" and the "Asians" to get technological upgrades. Though my guess is that such a sect would become too dangerous to the real elite - they would rather nuke them or done something else to them.

The funny part is that technology can serve sane society models well - even enforce them. Though it would cut short with absolute liberalism since you simply cannot even allow for apps like Tinder - unless you make it Marriage-Tinder and add an option that necessitates consent and approval of both parents for the first date.

Interesting.

I remember reading about pentagon scenarios where an EMP was detonated over the eastern US. In their predictions it was total breakdown of civilization in less than a few months, with mortality rates into the 90% after a year. Except for the Amish areas, where they endured and even thrived.

I grew up in an area with lots of Mennonite and Hutterite collectives. I am friends with quite a few Mennonites, and even have a Mennonite flag Wink They definitely pick and choose their technologies, and the elders discuss at long length which ones will turn their youth from God and therefore ban them. My bible camp growing up bordered on a Hutterite colony and we would have a baseball game with them during our camp. For the most part the kids were pretty normal in regards to education. They are very leery of us, and they are taught to only have superficial relationships.

A bit off topic but I could see that if things keep going down these insane paths that a Mennonite colony somewhere nice could be a nice option for hardworking young man. If they would have you.
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-05-2019 02:26 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 04:52 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 03:51 AM)RawGod Wrote:  If one of the conservative Christian or semi-Christian groups, such as the Mormons or Amish, can somehow square the circle and recruit aggressively, we could be in for interesting times. Maybe the Mormons are best placed to do this, but they seem somewhat cucked, and their beliefs are even harder to swallow than mainstream Christianity.
But think about it
If am Amish type group existed, with a lot of infrastructure, it's own land and universities etc, and they said you are welcome to join and after a few years membership, vetting by elders and completion of education etc, we will give you subsidized land, housing, job opportunities, and access to our matchmaking services, how many men would join?

My prediction is that if the Amish were some kind of futurustic Christian offshoot who instead of wanting to stay in the 1880s would want to accept all positive technologies possible without any ones that impact their moral Christian way of life - then the Amish might be the biggest religion and tribe in the US by now with millions of converts. Essentially they would have to censor pretty much all Hollywood entertainment and most educational fields, create their own advanced universities while only trading with the "English" and the "Asians" to get technological upgrades. Though my guess is that such a sect would become too dangerous to the real elite - they would rather nuke them or done something else to them.

The funny part is that technology can serve sane society models well - even enforce them. Though it would cut short with absolute liberalism since you simply cannot even allow for apps like Tinder - unless you make it Marriage-Tinder and add an option that necessitates consent and approval of both parents for the first date.

Interesting.

I remember reading about pentagon scenarios where an EMP was detonated over the eastern US. In their predictions it was total breakdown of civilization in less than a few months, with mortality rates into the 90% after a year. Except for the Amish areas, where they endured and even thrived.

I grew up in an area with lots of Mennonite and Hutterite collectives. I am friends with quite a few Mennonites, and even have a Mennonite flag Wink They definitely pick and choose their technologies, and the elders discuss at long length which ones will turn their youth from God and therefore ban them. My bible camp growing up bordered on a Hutterite colony and we would have a baseball game with them during our camp. For the most part the kids were pretty normal in regards to education. They are very leery of us, and they are taught to only have superficial relationships.

A bit off topic but I could see that if things keep going down these insane paths that a Mennonite colony somewhere nice could be a nice option for hardworking young man. If they would have you.

This sounds almost like what how conservative political party should choose to steer their people.

I think the biggest difference (without knowing much about the mennonite or amish) is that they don't worship the economy.
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So you didn’t take care of her baby rabies and then complain about her not wanting as many kids, ok.......

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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-04-2019 03:24 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 09:19 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I just got a call from my friend. Apparently his wife reached out to my ex to say she was there for her if she wanted to talk and they had a long conversation.

My friend told me his wife came back into the house in tears and said my ex was a bitch. He said he didn't get all the details of the conversation except that they talked about some of the compromises and his wife said that she wasn't going to change. She also told the wife that the only people who come to religion are crack heads, which is a pretty sad thing to say to someone who made you the godmother to one of her children. These two girls used to be thick as thieves.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? - 2Cor 6:14

You made the right call.

I was also going to post this, especially with the extra information that the General provided.

She is currently her own God, akin to what Lucifer preaches. If she can't submit to the Lord then she definitely cannot submit to her husband. She would see the OP's worship of God as weak, as he's not putting himself first. All bad. Its tough to be married to someone that puts themselves first.

Its like I told a buddy of mine that is currently going through a Divorce and quite upset about signs that he may have missed and wants to save his soon to be ex wife from the nutty path she is pursuing.

I said something like "You can't walk her path for her, its between her and God if she wants to turn away from him. You just need to keep walking your walk with God, and be satisfied with that."

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