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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-17-2019 11:22 AM)evilbuttmunch Wrote:  Thank you for sharing, but you sound like a naive moron, too black-pilled to appreciate what you have. You spent five years together, and claim that the last few months have caused you to drift apart because you were fixing up a house. You sound eternally ungrateful to a woman who is doing much more compromising than you are. Most women are not willing to compromise like that, and you've decided to discard something like five years of a relationship, and marriage in your 20s with what sounds like a mostly great woman, for the rare possibility that you'll find someone even better.

If she enjoyed work that much, it's because the rest of her life was boring. That's YOUR fault.

So he's missing the chance to marriage in his 20's?

Give me a break. It surprises me just how many here who seem to come from a scarcity mindset and think it's best to just stick with a woman like that who is clearly too much of a sheep to choose a meaningless career over prioritising a family with an intelligent, masculine and traditional conservative man with some great values. I tell you what, THAT is rare today and something she'll have to regret later in life.

And that in itself should tell everyone everything they need to know.
It's better to not have kids than having kids with the wrong woman but so many men are putting up with so much shit nowadays so the boundaries have moved so far off that we are now calling a man a moron for not staying with a woman who shows that he's not priority number one or even number two.

There are still places in Eastern Europe where OP can find traditional women who would never say the crap that came out of her mouth. It's not a man's job to convince a woman to choose family over career, a good woman would choose that path anyway regardless of some new friends from work.

Her comment on religious people as only being a bunch crackheads probably says something about her morality system too. That is a more important aspect with a woman than if you're able to crack non politically correct jokes with her, if she's "very good at saving money" or wants a small wedding.
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-14-2019 05:57 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 10:59 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

Funny how this forum that once was about collecting notches has almost collectively come to the conclusion that traditional relationships are the way to go.
Yes, we have Game that the average bluepilled guy does not have, but to quote OP in another thread
Quote: If you believe in god, do you really think he is going to deliver a virgin just because you had a change of ideology?
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It may be just harder for us.

I asked God for that traditional relationship two years ago and what I see now is that I'm getting tested to stay chaste with increasing difficulty levels.

I fully expect to get presented with more and more unbelievably easy opportunities to score notches which I might have to let go to actually get to the prize. The shape of the latter has been clearly communicated to me during the last two months.

All that while being at peak SMV for a bachelor with the window closing in less than a decade. That requires some faith I can tell you.
09-21-2019 05:45 AM
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
Big balled move. Respect.
09-24-2019 09:04 AM
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
GeneralMayhem - thanks for sharing your story. For me, her desire to come back to work so shortly after giving birth also would be a deal-breaker, especially as I am seeing first-hand how well staying home worked for my nieces (my sister got back to part-time work when her 3rd child was 4 yrs old), as well as other children from extended family from my brother-in-law side.

(09-03-2019 04:45 PM)Rotten Wrote:  Your animal instincts are unlikely to be wrong, so I commend you. However....

1. A dispute about the total number of kids when you don't have any kids is stupid. Have a kid, keep her attraction high, she'll want more
2. Planning Weddings is for brides. Unless you are paying, let her do what she wants. Stick to a few points (a church could be one for you), but staying away is the best generally
3. Bad Friends is a big problem, triply so because of her young age. But, if her attraction to you was high, she wouldn't feel the need to see them, and would herself fight against the things that concern you
4. Nobody really wants to work, and lots of wives find dumb excuses to cease working once married (or they look at the price of daycare and have a good reason not to work). You shouldn't have worried too much about this.

Your story reads like you failed a shit test regarding her work/career.

Did you try Dread game? If she had to decide for herself whether she wanted you or the above bullshit, and the above stuff is bullshit, you would probably have the girl you loved back (or you would have an answer which is also a win).
Could someone (Rotten?) elaborate on this a little bit more? I don't really see a failure on OP part here, unless someone expects girl/fiancee to not work when she is not studying and she's not yet a wife/mother yet either.

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RE: Called Off My Wedding
Thanks for Sharing!

We all have deal breakers. You mentioned her going out for a few drinks without her mate is a big no. If you go out with your friends, would she be jealous? Or is it hypocritical on your end? You know if she will cheat on you it’s much much much easier to do with peers in and around the office. Ya gotta trust her. That’s just my opinion. Either way, maybe you became jealous of her putting her career etc ahead of you and the future with you?
It’s tough..... as much as I hate to say this, you won’t find it easy to find a good wife in the west who is in her early to mid 20s. You can find a bride, but that’s where it ends. They all love the planning of the wedding. Afterwards, it’s another story.

If you think ohhhh a foreign bride will do the trick. Well there are horror stories with them as well. I will say, your odds of success are improved with certain cultures, education etc etc etc.
09-29-2019 10:58 AM
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-21-2019 05:45 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 05:57 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 10:59 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

Funny how this forum that once was about collecting notches has almost collectively come to the conclusion that traditional relationships are the way to go.
Yes, we have Game that the average bluepilled guy does not have, but to quote OP in another thread
Quote: If you believe in god, do you really think he is going to deliver a virgin just because you had a change of ideology?
.
It may be just harder for us.

I asked God for that traditional relationship two years ago and what I see now is that I'm getting tested to stay chaste with increasing difficulty levels.

I fully expect to get presented with more and more unbelievably easy opportunities to score notches which I might have to let go to actually get to the prize. The shape of the latter has been clearly communicated to me during the last two months.

All that while being at peak SMV for a bachelor with the window closing in less than a decade. That requires some faith I can tell you.

Since this weekend I have the full picture how God intends me to handle this:

As a man on peak SMV instead of giving in to female desire and fornicate spinning plates until I hit the wall, use the full leverage to vet and lock down one young fertile wife with a high sex drive by leading her religiously until she is completely into you.

This turn of events sounds kinda absurd from a degenerate Western perspective, where marriage turned into a primarily financial transaction of old people. But the Lord will manage to pull this off.
09-30-2019 10:26 AM
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-17-2019 02:50 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  
(09-17-2019 11:22 AM)evilbuttmunch Wrote:  Thank you for sharing, but you sound like a naive moron, too black-pilled to appreciate what you have. You spent five years together, and claim that the last few months have caused you to drift apart because you were fixing up a house. You sound eternally ungrateful to a woman who is doing much more compromising than you are. Most women are not willing to compromise like that, and you've decided to discard something like five years of a relationship, and marriage in your 20s with what sounds like a mostly great woman, for the rare possibility that you'll find someone even better.

If she enjoyed work that much, it's because the rest of her life was boring. That's YOUR fault.

So he's missing the chance to marriage in his 20's?

Give me a break. It surprises me just how many here who seem to come from a scarcity mindset and think it's best to just stick with a woman like that who is clearly too much of a sheep to choose a meaningless career over prioritising a family with an intelligent, masculine and traditional conservative man with some great values. I tell you what, THAT is rare today and something she'll have to regret later in life.

And that in itself should tell everyone everything they need to know.
It's better to not have kids than having kids with the wrong woman but so many men are putting up with so much shit nowadays so the boundaries have moved so far off that we are now calling a man a moron for not staying with a woman who shows that he's not priority number one or even number two.

There are still places in Eastern Europe where OP can find traditional women who would never say the crap that came out of her mouth. It's not a man's job to convince a woman to choose family over career, a good woman would choose that path anyway regardless of some new friends from work.

Her comment on religious people as only being a bunch crackheads probably says something about her morality system too. That is a more important aspect with a woman than if you're able to crack non politically correct jokes with her, if she's "very good at saving money" or wants a small wedding.

(09-30-2019 10:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(09-21-2019 05:45 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 05:57 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 10:59 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 12:00 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I think any guy who wants any semblance of a traditional relationship has to fight hard against the negative influences from modern society and from a girls friends. However, you can't do that alone. You need friends with wives, kids, and strong marriages that are good influences to surround your wife.

When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

Funny how this forum that once was about collecting notches has almost collectively come to the conclusion that traditional relationships are the way to go.
Yes, we have Game that the average bluepilled guy does not have, but to quote OP in another thread
Quote: If you believe in god, do you really think he is going to deliver a virgin just because you had a change of ideology?
.
It may be just harder for us.

I asked God for that traditional relationship two years ago and what I see now is that I'm getting tested to stay chaste with increasing difficulty levels.

I fully expect to get presented with more and more unbelievably easy opportunities to score notches which I might have to let go to actually get to the prize. The shape of the latter has been clearly communicated to me during the last two months.

All that while being at peak SMV for a bachelor with the window closing in less than a decade. That requires some faith I can tell you.

Since this weekend I have the full picture how God intends me to handle this:

As a man on peak SMV instead of giving in to female desire and fornicate spinning plates until I hit the wall, use the full leverage to vet and lock down one young fertile wife with a high sex drive by leading her religiously until she is completely into you.

This turn of events sounds kinda absurd from a degenerate Western perspective, where marriage turned into a primarily financial transaction of old people. But the Lord will manage to pull this off.

I hope to see some infield reports on this type of activity on this new generation of the forum.

"This girl at the farmers market gave me a ton of IOI's, my game was tight and my logistics were good. We went back to my flat to look at some books and she tried to initiate sex and I told her I don't fornicate casually. She had no idea how to handle this rejection. Now she won't stop texting me."

No idea how this plays out in real life.
09-30-2019 10:43 AM
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RE: Called Off My Wedding
(09-30-2019 10:43 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 10:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(09-21-2019 05:45 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 05:57 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 10:59 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  When someone on this Forum actually figures out how you can do this and win (assuming it's even possible outside of a crazy isolationist cult), they will have hacked modern mating life. I'm not sure it's even possible.

Funny how this forum that once was about collecting notches has almost collectively come to the conclusion that traditional relationships are the way to go.
Yes, we have Game that the average bluepilled guy does not have, but to quote OP in another thread
Quote: If you believe in god, do you really think he is going to deliver a virgin just because you had a change of ideology?
.
It may be just harder for us.

I asked God for that traditional relationship two years ago and what I see now is that I'm getting tested to stay chaste with increasing difficulty levels.

I fully expect to get presented with more and more unbelievably easy opportunities to score notches which I might have to let go to actually get to the prize. The shape of the latter has been clearly communicated to me during the last two months.

All that while being at peak SMV for a bachelor with the window closing in less than a decade. That requires some faith I can tell you.

Since this weekend I have the full picture how God intends me to handle this:

As a man on peak SMV instead of giving in to female desire and fornicate spinning plates until I hit the wall, use the full leverage to vet and lock down one young fertile wife with a high sex drive by leading her religiously until she is completely into you.

This turn of events sounds kinda absurd from a degenerate Western perspective, where marriage turned into a primarily financial transaction of old people. But the Lord will manage to pull this off.

I hope to see some infield reports on this type of activity on this new generation of the forum.

"This girl at the farmers market gave me a ton of IOI's, my game was tight and my logistics were good. We went back to my flat to look at some books and she tried to initiate sex and I told her I don't fornicate casually. She had no idea how to handle this rejection. Now she won't stop texting me."

No idea how this plays out in real life.

This looks like a low value mindset to me. You seem to view girls as high value trophies which need to be acquired with "tight" game and kept happy by fornicating with them.

But being the prize means the girl who is madly into you (because of your ability to lead her) will get extremely creative to get what she really wants and desires. And this kind of girl is the only kind you actually want to vet from.

Girls who don't desire you and view men as accessories are a waste of time. All carousel riders who move on the second they hear "no fornication" are a complete waste of time as well.

Now the even harder task is to hold that no-fornication frame until marriage. Most men fall here and earn the consequences: She loses respect and everything falls apart.
09-30-2019 11:15 AM
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A lot of men in the Manosphere think "She's 24/25...she should realize that her fertility is almost up and run to the alter." Nothing could be further from the truth. Women know that they can have children in their thirties and even early fourties without complications (especially in this era of modern medicine). So they don't buy the idea that their opportunity to procreate is over in their early twenties. My wife had a child at 35 and 39 and both are fine (knock on wood).

A woman in her early thirties is less likely to play games, since she realizes that her window is closer so to speak. That being said, many Western women in their early 30s are already damaged beyond repair.

"Action still preserves for us a hope that we may stand erect." - Thucydides (from History of the Peloponnesian War)
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(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)wwtl Wrote:  Now the even harder task is to hold that no-fornication frame until marriage. Most men fall here and earn the consequences: She loses respect and everything falls apart.

So what? Filtered.
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(10-02-2019 03:29 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  A lot of men in the Manosphere think "She's 24/25...she should realize that her fertility is almost up and run to the alter." Nothing could be further from the truth. Women know that they can have children in their thirties and even early fourties without complications (especially in this era of modern medicine). So they don't buy the idea that their opportunity to procreate is over in their early twenties. My wife had a child at 35 and 39 and both are fine (knock on wood).

A woman in her early thirties is less likely to play games, since she realizes that her window is closer so to speak. That being said, many Western women in their early 30s are already damaged beyond repair.

You're confusing women's delusion with reality. Your case of your wife having kids late (God bless her) without any assistance, unfortunately does not negate the reality that women's fertility starts to dramatically drop starting from the age of 30. Lots of graphs, studies and news articles on this that I wont bother posting, but it is common knowledge.

Fertility drops with age. Now, pair that with women taking Birth Control for 2 decades, having casual sex, catching STDs, drinking copious amounts of alcohol like a drunkard, having abortions, taking Plan B multiple times throughout her life, a crap western diet filled with hormone disruptors, and you have the fertility crisis we're facing today. Women are more and more, facing challenges of being unable to get pregnant, and IVF has a very low success rate, so no "modern medicine" does not allow women to push pregnancy for a later time.

Sure, we all know of a women or two who had kids in their late 30's and even 40, but those women did not have to face the cultural and environmental factors that disrupt their fertility that women do today. Usually, the women in these anecdotal stories are late genxrs, Boomers and older.

My point is that it is delusional for women to think they can delay childbearing past their 20s, and we have the media and culture as a whole to thank for that.
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I'd be interested to know how birth control affects fertility.
It's pretty brutal in terms of what it does in woman's body. Wouldn't be surprised if it somehow lowers fertility.
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If you try and goolag "Does Birth control affect fertility", you wont find any studies done by White Lab Coats trying to prove that it does. You'll see things like "Oh no, as long as you're off of it for 2-3 months, you'll be back to normal!" "no, scientist have concluded BC does not negatively affect fertility" etc.

I mean, it's simple logic to see how taking a drug to prevent pregnancy will affect a woman's fertility...especially if a woman has been taking it for over 10 years.

What these BC makers are doing as of late is quietly reducing the amount of estrogen in their BC, as more and more women are suffering side effects. In the end, I don't need any study proving that BC lowers female fertility and i'd rather err on side of caution. Seeing how women are having a hard time getting pregnant like never before in history, i'll be fine to draw my conclusion without "solid evidence". It's like Alex Jones being right all along about our water "turning the frogs gay".
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