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(09-04-2019 05:17 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  So what you're telling me, JayR, is that I'm not free to do what I want with my money? I can't give it to whom I want?

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(09-04-2019 03:18 PM)takashi hanzo Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 12:50 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  What happens if you gift money as you earn it to your parents for safekeeping - can the courts take that back during a divorce?

The best way to protect your assets is setting up an offshore account trust account (FAPT), under the best offshore jurisdiction. The entire goal of this is to setup a nest egg and protect the assets there.

The best country to do this: The Cook Islands

The cook islands is an independent country with a Westminster style of parliament. They have a highly educated english speaking labor force, and the highest GDP per capital among the south pacific. They also have a well respected court system with many competent professionals who specialize in offshore financial services. Since their Asset protection Trust act in 1980, the cook islands became the leading assets protection jurisdiction in the world. Leading as a role model, other countries began to copy their methodology.

In the cook islands, privacy is guaranteed and the requirements of pursing a law suit under their legal system is a strong deterrent.

1st - You must provide a bond for cost
2nd - Contingency fees are not allowed
3rd - It is difficult to find a cook island lawyer that has not already be conflicted by the trustees.

Trust companies are highly regulated in the cook islands, and are under strict supervision. There is no local tax on the assets and income of the Cook islands offshore accounts, and professionals are required to maintain insurance licensing.

Here are some of the benefits under the Cook Islands Internatioal Trust Act

1 - Foreign judgement's are not enforceable

2 - Self settled trusts are allowed

3 - The creator of the trust is allowed to retain all powers, rights, and benefits

4 - Multiple provisions are establish to protect against bankruptcy. US & foreign courts are not allowed to take assets from the trust resulting from bankruptcy.

5 - Trusts can only be challenged on the grounds of fraudulent transfers

6 - There is a comprehensive fraudulent transfer process, and a limited timeframe to start taking action against the trust. The fraudulent transfer rules are under a two step test

A - Did the transfer happen within two years?
B - If so, did the process happen in the cook islands within one year of the settlement or transfer to the trust

7 - The pursuing parties must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the transfer was made with the intentions to defraud a specific creditor and that it rendered the settler unable to pay that creditor.

8 - No one outside the cook islands can know how much you have in the trust, or even if you even have an account.

At the time of this writing, a trip from LAX for one is going to run about $700 for two weeks in November. Most of their banks also have the option to be managed online.

A wise man once said "I can't fall in love I got options"

When in doubt do what the Bushes or Kennedys do. FYI I believe that much of the various Kennedy Family Trusts is located in the Turk and Caicos Islands

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(09-04-2019 05:17 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  So what you're telling me, JayR, is that I'm not free to do what I want with my money? I can't give it to whom I want?

Correct. During my custody rape, I managed to hide some assets by ordering my brokerage to convert all my stock holdings into stock certificates, which I then put into a fireproof safe. This did not trigger a taxable event, but it zeroed out my brokerage account balances. I thought it was a pretty slick move, but my ex's attorneys noticed the suddenly missing assets right away.

It's a good story with a happy ending, but I'm not going to dox myself further with any more details.
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Hiding assets in a divorce is possible in theory, but getting caught and penalized severely is common in practice. If they catch you, they may just give her 100%.

Of course most men don't make the effort to hide their assets when they think the marriage is going well, because they love their wives and want to be as good to them as possible. It's only when you realize things are going to hell that you start trying to shift things around. Then it's very difficult to avoid leaving a paper trail.

Your idea for going undetected is probably on the list of things her lawyers check first. Even googling for ways to hide your assets is likely to be detected in today's world.

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(09-04-2019 05:17 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  So what you're telling me, JayR, is that I'm not free to do what I want with my money? I can't give it to whom I want?

You're really not understanding this at all are you? Have you read at all on this topic.

In the USA (depending on the jurisdiction of course) when you marry you generally are bringing all assets to the marriage and then when it ends the assets get divided.

If you have sole and separate assets in many jurisdictions these will remain yours (such as for example a vintage baseball card your dad gave you before you married), but if you ADD to these assets then what you add will be split between both spouses upon divorce. It doesn't matter that you were the one working to build those assets it matters whether you were married when the assets were earned/gained.

You can't view "money you earned" as yours if you're married. This has been the case for a long time. This is why you have to have your asset strategy in place LONG before you'd get married. Some articles:

https://www.assetprotectionplanners.com/...s/divorce/

https://blog.credit.com/2015/05/5-ways-t...up-115748/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpagli...ada1cc3cb6

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/220124

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(09-04-2019 05:44 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 07:13 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 07:01 PM)sanbruno Wrote:  You can’t even protect yourself. Friend’s brother had one of those “power couple” marriages... Both had corporate hot shot jobs when they got married and agreed to keep alot separate in a pre-nup. Pre-nup was thrown out in divorce because even a hot, corporate VP sniper can cry female victimhood to the right judge.

How can prenups just be thrown out? And why can't you just gift all your savings to your mom/dad/sibling (whom you trust more than your wife) instead of relying on some shitty prenup?

And it makes me wonder, what kind of women are these guys marrying in the first place..

Never worked a day in her life. Why the fuck would you marry a girl like that in this day and age with the courts biased towards women how they are?

Exactly.

I hate this circle-jerking of men, playing the victim all the time and going full MGTOW.
99% of cases we see in this thread are from men that have poor judgment and did ignore all the red flags. But yeah, if a man marry Stacy the Tinder girl and she fucks you up after marriage, its: "ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES IM A VICTIMG" mentality.


Let's see it the other way. When a woman gets physically abused in her marriage and then she cries: "ALL MEN ARE BAD IM A VICTIM HE WAS SUCH A NICE GUY I DIDNT KNOW HE HATES WOMEN", what would you say to her?

People do not change in general. No one ever, beside of psychopaths (which are actualy very rare) will do a 180 turn and suddenly abuse you, or steal your kids and money and say goodbye out of nowhere. It does simply not happen.


Like Leonard said above:
Quote:If some guy is so clueless that his first flag that something is wrong is "came home to an empty house" then it's a miracle he had any assets in the first place.

This poor victim mentality in men, marrying a fucking twat is getting on my balls.......


Let me show you a man, that was "getting fucked" after marriage as "he found out suddenly", that his wife isn't that great. Do you think this man is a poor little victim from evil women? You be the judge:

This is true. These guys are the male equivalent of the women who marry the bad boys, then complain he cheated. What did they expect? You can't change a bad boy into "Father Knows Best" and you can't turn a whore into a housewife.

Marriage is WYSISYG: What you see is what you get. People don't change because they walk down the aisle.

In keeping with my musical theme of '60s pop music for this thread, the great soul singer Percy Sledge had a hit song based around this subject called "Take Time To Know Her." He recorded it several times, but here is the original -- which should be played to every man thinking about getting married.



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(09-03-2019 06:47 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Devastating and spooky at the same time. On plebbit I read a story about this crypto millionaire that had a similar experience:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/...january_i/

Quote:Now, I admit I was extremely lucky with choosing the time of when to sell the assets. I had no clue the market would take a dive in February, and so it seemed to many that I had timed the market perfectly, selling most of my coins in the first two weeks of January of 2018. Many called me a genius for selling at the very top, as if I had some sort of wisdom to know when it would drop; the truth is much less flattering; it was nothing but dumb luck, based on me wanting to pay taxes in 2018 and defer to 2019. Awesome, well done! Yeah? well, slow down, son, not so fast.

So, I gather the 7-digit lumpsum in January 2018 and we write a check for the full amount at closing in February on the property of her dreams. A property that could easily be showcased on a luxury Real Estate magazine cover. Also, remember we had just moved back to the United States with just a few suitcases each from overseas. We had no furniture, kitchenware, curtains, TV's, bed sheets, winter clothing and so many other essential things that one usually purchases over time, but which we now had to purchase all at once. Not a problem, Bitcoin had dropped slightly but still well above $15k, I believe, at the time. And, earlier, in January, I had diligently taken this expense into account and effortlessly set aside a small fortune for equipping such a large house with everything we would ever need, brand new. It seemed we were protagonists of one of the Home Makeover Shows.

Finally, after working day and night, prepping the house non-stop for days and when every piece of furniture had finally arrived, been unpacked and carried to its corresponding room, it seemed most of the essentials were in place and the hard work was done. I longed for pouring myself a Scotch and to finally sit down and enjoy the fruits of my labor. I head downstairs to the dedicated walk-in, cigar-humidor / wine / Scotch cellar in the basement and grab the better bottle of Whisky of the few bottles of Scotch that I had bought earlier in the week. On my way up, I remember feeling a sense of calm, combined with a glow of excitement and this undescribable profound inner peace, all at once. This was such a rare, natural, non-drug induced high that I had never experienced. It felt so good! This sense of accomplishment of achieving that one thing I had been chasing and longing for my entire life. I had expected I would be chasing this goal for the next 15-20 years, and yet, here it was. No, where I was, was even better than expected! A place where not even my parents, who still have to make their monthly mortgage payments. I had done it! With a smile from ear to ear, I take a deep breath of relief and while looking around the property, I think to myself: "It's perfect, everything is in place and I can finally call this our home. We are so lucky and we are going to live a great life. A life that few can only dream of. So many concerns will be lifted and become redundant. Everything will be better. I'll start a fire in one of our two fireplaces and I am going to begin enjoying my semi-retired life with the first sip of my drink. That will be the official start of our new life".

I head over to the kitchen to get a glass and some ice cubes, while I struggle to find which one is the freezer among the many drawers in the kitchen. It was then when I notice a handwritten note placed front and center on the kitchen counter. It is from my wife and read: "There is no easy way to say this, so I am just going to say it..... I want to legally divorce [ ...]". It continued saying that she had taken our son, and had unequivocally decided to leave me. She had already filed the paperwork for divorce and that I should expect to be served in the morning.

My bliss had lasted less than 5 minutes and in less than two seconds, it turned dark, somber and I saw it all crumbling down in front of me. Like a long-awaited rocket launch, years in preparation, which then unexpectedly explodes on the launch pad during the countdown. My stomach, heart and everything in my body just sank and melted into one ball of poison in my core. I felt like throwing up. I was completely blindsided; she had played the game all along, not giving me the slightest hint of what was being concocted in the background. She had already engaged with her lawyers weeks beforehand. Her mother was already in town from another state to help out with I don't know what. I had been gaslighted and was threatened by her that I needed to see a psychiatrist due to a change in my temper that I had supposedly developed - my temper was awesome: with BTC at that price? Everything was perfect! But I obeyed and went anyhow (this would later fit her story that she had to leave with the child because she feared for her safety due to my supposed temper for which I was under treatment, therefore, I must have this temper problem, see?). Also, the purchase of the overpriced home also seemed clearly premeditated: Price was the main driver of the decision making; not location, demographics, taxes, etc. It was the wrong neighborhood for us (people much older than us, retired, golfers and no kids the same age as our son to play with). Our house happened to also be the most expensive in the neighborhood. I can see it all so clearly now.

See, your crypto coins on the blockchain, are not within the US court's jurisdiction (or, at least, it's quite debatable - a gray area - ask me for the seed and I can tell you that I may have the seed, or that I may not have the seed, I may have the wrong seed, I may have forgotten it, I may have lost it - you can't prove I did not forget, or lost it, etc). However, once it is in FIAT in a bank, or invested in a property, the courts can rule on the asset(s), freeze, disburse or order a sale of the property, etc. It's done all the time.

Also, the coins were technically mine, and by definition private property (not to be divided during the divorce) as they were acquired before the marriage. I could not prove its origins (I bought many of them via direct messaging members on Bitcointalk.org and mining rather than exchanges, so no records, receipts or nothing to prove otherwise: the big exchanges like BitStamp and Coinbase didn't start operations till 2013, if I m not mistaken. Instead, I would talk to one of the forum members offering coins we'd agree on a price, I'd send a check to wherever the individual seller instructed me to (Russia, Bulgaria, Japan, UK. etc) and the coins would be deposited to whatever address I provided. Yes, it was quite crude at the time.

However, once I converted my coins to cash and used that cash to buy a property for the benefit of the family, it became common property and thus she then had rights to a portion of it when divided between the two parties should a divorce occur - which ended up being almost 3/4 of all assets.

I was robbed in broad daylight. By the one person, I trusted with my life. The one you should trust with your life. Your life partner. And while I was in complete denial, trying to bargain, I waited too long to obtain good legal representation. When I finally ended up getting a lawyer, I was quite distraught and I clearly did not do the proper research and this resulted in a less than stellar performance and detrimental to me at many key steps in the process. I had to switch legal representation right before mediation and I can't blame my new lawyer either, as (s)he did not have the required time to catch up on all the details, (s)he did his/her best, but I was ultimately strongarmed into conceding my soon-to-be-ex-wife to let her return to the house, in exchange to obtain 50% of my son's custody, with serious and strict clauses I had to abide by. So, I had to move out, find a hole in the wall in a student apartment, pay my rent and pay our kids pre-school, while she lives grandiose, without monthly payments in the country club, till the house sells, which will likely be in the spring of next year. Nice!

Due to my delay, legal mishandling and somehow every other element in her favor, she inexplicably ended up with around 3/4 of the worth of all assets, free and clear, no taxes due. Mind you, she has never financially contributed, nor made a single $ during our entire marriage. She has never worked and had $0 in her pocket when we married. She didn't even have a checking account, well in her thirties. She is no dummy; she is street smart, knows how to manipulate people, get her way with flirting and charm, while I am more intellectual and book smart. and She beat me hands-down. She is walking away with a sum of, not quite 7 figures, but close.

With what I am left with from the sale of the house, I am responsible to pay for all the capital gains taxes from the liquidation to the IRS, which are due in April 2019. I don't expect there to be more left over than the estimated $30k mentioned above.

Weird,
that was almost exactly the way my divorce went, letter on the table, kids snatched, accusations of mental problems, she had never worked, return to the house in exchange for limited visiting rights to my kids which she broke the moment she had possession of the house, I lost 2/3 of my assets (to which she had contributed nothing).

Buying a house is a really bad idea for a married man in the western world.
She can take it off you easily, and in 50% of marriages she does.

PS
I married the 19yo Christian virgin from a good Christian family that you all fantasise about.
But I guess it was still all my fault for believing any woman could be different.
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(09-04-2019 07:48 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  We all know the state will screw men over every chance they get. The reason is simple power dynamics.

No one fears Western Man. Western Man is morally, emotionally and politically weak. The American man makes gun ownership a political battle-ground, but when he is being ass-raped by the state, still he is incapable of using his god-given power.

I know we are not supposed to talk about illegal actions here, but it is very simple, and I think it's important to make the point. If you slap someone once, and they do nothing, then you will probably slap them again, again they do nothing, next time you punch them, still they do nothing, well, you know where this is going.

All women and all modern states will screw men over unless men are willing to fight for their freedom. Simple.

So, you got fucked over by the woman and the state, so what did you do to them? Did you hurt them back? No. Without causing pain and suffering to our enemies, this situation will continue indefinitely, no point complaining about it for the 1000th time, it is the same everytime.

I havent really researched all the different ways a man can hurt the state, or the woman who screwed him over, but I know there are limitless opportunities, many without the man even being caught. Men need to ask themselves how did I get some revenge? Not "why am I such a victim"?

Anyways, I am not asking men to do anything like that, just saying that historically, men were not so cucked that they feared prison, social ostracization etc such that men do today. Men's inability to hurt those who hurt them is the biggest cause of this problem, not women and not the state (both seem to be doing quite well for themselves).

Whether its 10 years, or 500 years, this thing will ultimately return to men taking individual or group actions against the state. Regression to the mean.

Also, if anyone wants to respond to this, please calm down, I dont mean to be trolling, its just that I have seen men alot more willing to fight for their rights in other countries but this seems comparatively minimal in Anglo societies currently.

Can't agree for the following reasons,
1) I loved my wife and don't want to hurt her, no matter what she does to me.
2) I loved my children and don't want them to be parent-less (even if they are father-less).
3) I've had 10 great years in SEA banging women half my age and having more kids.

Revenge really isn't the answer, revenge only hurts you.
Walking away and living a good life is the way to go IMHO.
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It isn't about revenge. It is about not losing half of everything you own. I'm bookmarking this thread and some of the links posted in case I ever do want a family and want to shield some of my assets.

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(09-03-2019 07:13 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  And it makes me wonder, what kind of women are these guys marrying in the first place..

Never worked a day in her life. Why the fuck would you marry a girl like that in this day and age with the courts biased towards women how they are?

We're marrying Christian virgins who just finished high school.
You can have the 30yo women who worked and rode the cock carousel for 10+ years.
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(09-04-2019 09:02 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 07:13 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  And it makes me wonder, what kind of women are these guys marrying in the first place..

Never worked a day in her life. Why the fuck would you marry a girl like that in this day and age with the courts biased towards women how they are?

We're marrying Christian virgins who just finished high school.
You can have the 30yo women who worked and rode the cock carousel for 10+ years.

You don't just go from 18 year old virgin to 30 year old carousel rider workaholic.

The point is that a woman needs to know how hard it is to earn money. Whether that's at a minimum wage job or at a career, doesn't matter.
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Thank you all for the information about the situation in the US. It is not much different in Germany.

How on earth would any conservative promote marriage in the west in 2019? It is counter productive to the idea of the family unit.
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(09-04-2019 11:22 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 09:02 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 07:13 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  And it makes me wonder, what kind of women are these guys marrying in the first place..

Never worked a day in her life. Why the fuck would you marry a girl like that in this day and age with the courts biased towards women how they are?

We're marrying Christian virgins who just finished high school.
You can have the 30yo women who worked and rode the cock carousel for 10+ years.

You don't just go from 18 year old virgin to 30 year old carousel rider workaholic.

The point is that a woman needs to know how hard it is to earn money. Whether that's at a minimum wage job or at a career, doesn't matter.

The average girl is losing their virginity by age 16 and that's being generous. Women won't know how hard it is to earn money until they get near age 40. The only reason for that is because their smv has considerably dropped and guys are no longer throwing money at them for simply being in their presence.

This philosophy that women belong in the workplace is simply there to destroy the family structure. There are some exceptions, but for the most part careers are for men.
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Making money is easy for a woman - however in a barista type job that just gets them by while they rent a room.

When they hit their 30s and their prospects are drying up, it's "WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD MEN AT?"
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(09-04-2019 08:31 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 06:47 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Devastating and spooky at the same time. On plebbit I read a story about this crypto millionaire that had a similar experience:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/...january_i/

Quote:Now, I admit I was extremely lucky with choosing the time of when to sell the assets. I had no clue the market would take a dive in February, and so it seemed to many that I had timed the market perfectly, selling most of my coins in the first two weeks of January of 2018. Many called me a genius for selling at the very top, as if I had some sort of wisdom to know when it would drop; the truth is much less flattering; it was nothing but dumb luck, based on me wanting to pay taxes in 2018 and defer to 2019. Awesome, well done! Yeah? well, slow down, son, not so fast.

So, I gather the 7-digit lumpsum in January 2018 and we write a check for the full amount at closing in February on the property of her dreams. A property that could easily be showcased on a luxury Real Estate magazine cover. Also, remember we had just moved back to the United States with just a few suitcases each from overseas. We had no furniture, kitchenware, curtains, TV's, bed sheets, winter clothing and so many other essential things that one usually purchases over time, but which we now had to purchase all at once. Not a problem, Bitcoin had dropped slightly but still well above $15k, I believe, at the time. And, earlier, in January, I had diligently taken this expense into account and effortlessly set aside a small fortune for equipping such a large house with everything we would ever need, brand new. It seemed we were protagonists of one of the Home Makeover Shows.

Finally, after working day and night, prepping the house non-stop for days and when every piece of furniture had finally arrived, been unpacked and carried to its corresponding room, it seemed most of the essentials were in place and the hard work was done. I longed for pouring myself a Scotch and to finally sit down and enjoy the fruits of my labor. I head downstairs to the dedicated walk-in, cigar-humidor / wine / Scotch cellar in the basement and grab the better bottle of Whisky of the few bottles of Scotch that I had bought earlier in the week. On my way up, I remember feeling a sense of calm, combined with a glow of excitement and this undescribable profound inner peace, all at once. This was such a rare, natural, non-drug induced high that I had never experienced. It felt so good! This sense of accomplishment of achieving that one thing I had been chasing and longing for my entire life. I had expected I would be chasing this goal for the next 15-20 years, and yet, here it was. No, where I was, was even better than expected! A place where not even my parents, who still have to make their monthly mortgage payments. I had done it! With a smile from ear to ear, I take a deep breath of relief and while looking around the property, I think to myself: "It's perfect, everything is in place and I can finally call this our home. We are so lucky and we are going to live a great life. A life that few can only dream of. So many concerns will be lifted and become redundant. Everything will be better. I'll start a fire in one of our two fireplaces and I am going to begin enjoying my semi-retired life with the first sip of my drink. That will be the official start of our new life".

I head over to the kitchen to get a glass and some ice cubes, while I struggle to find which one is the freezer among the many drawers in the kitchen. It was then when I notice a handwritten note placed front and center on the kitchen counter. It is from my wife and read: "There is no easy way to say this, so I am just going to say it..... I want to legally divorce [ ...]". It continued saying that she had taken our son, and had unequivocally decided to leave me. She had already filed the paperwork for divorce and that I should expect to be served in the morning.

My bliss had lasted less than 5 minutes and in less than two seconds, it turned dark, somber and I saw it all crumbling down in front of me. Like a long-awaited rocket launch, years in preparation, which then unexpectedly explodes on the launch pad during the countdown. My stomach, heart and everything in my body just sank and melted into one ball of poison in my core. I felt like throwing up. I was completely blindsided; she had played the game all along, not giving me the slightest hint of what was being concocted in the background. She had already engaged with her lawyers weeks beforehand. Her mother was already in town from another state to help out with I don't know what. I had been gaslighted and was threatened by her that I needed to see a psychiatrist due to a change in my temper that I had supposedly developed - my temper was awesome: with BTC at that price? Everything was perfect! But I obeyed and went anyhow (this would later fit her story that she had to leave with the child because she feared for her safety due to my supposed temper for which I was under treatment, therefore, I must have this temper problem, see?). Also, the purchase of the overpriced home also seemed clearly premeditated: Price was the main driver of the decision making; not location, demographics, taxes, etc. It was the wrong neighborhood for us (people much older than us, retired, golfers and no kids the same age as our son to play with). Our house happened to also be the most expensive in the neighborhood. I can see it all so clearly now.

See, your crypto coins on the blockchain, are not within the US court's jurisdiction (or, at least, it's quite debatable - a gray area - ask me for the seed and I can tell you that I may have the seed, or that I may not have the seed, I may have the wrong seed, I may have forgotten it, I may have lost it - you can't prove I did not forget, or lost it, etc). However, once it is in FIAT in a bank, or invested in a property, the courts can rule on the asset(s), freeze, disburse or order a sale of the property, etc. It's done all the time.

Also, the coins were technically mine, and by definition private property (not to be divided during the divorce) as they were acquired before the marriage. I could not prove its origins (I bought many of them via direct messaging members on Bitcointalk.org and mining rather than exchanges, so no records, receipts or nothing to prove otherwise: the big exchanges like BitStamp and Coinbase didn't start operations till 2013, if I m not mistaken. Instead, I would talk to one of the forum members offering coins we'd agree on a price, I'd send a check to wherever the individual seller instructed me to (Russia, Bulgaria, Japan, UK. etc) and the coins would be deposited to whatever address I provided. Yes, it was quite crude at the time.

However, once I converted my coins to cash and used that cash to buy a property for the benefit of the family, it became common property and thus she then had rights to a portion of it when divided between the two parties should a divorce occur - which ended up being almost 3/4 of all assets.

I was robbed in broad daylight. By the one person, I trusted with my life. The one you should trust with your life. Your life partner. And while I was in complete denial, trying to bargain, I waited too long to obtain good legal representation. When I finally ended up getting a lawyer, I was quite distraught and I clearly did not do the proper research and this resulted in a less than stellar performance and detrimental to me at many key steps in the process. I had to switch legal representation right before mediation and I can't blame my new lawyer either, as (s)he did not have the required time to catch up on all the details, (s)he did his/her best, but I was ultimately strongarmed into conceding my soon-to-be-ex-wife to let her return to the house, in exchange to obtain 50% of my son's custody, with serious and strict clauses I had to abide by. So, I had to move out, find a hole in the wall in a student apartment, pay my rent and pay our kids pre-school, while she lives grandiose, without monthly payments in the country club, till the house sells, which will likely be in the spring of next year. Nice!

Due to my delay, legal mishandling and somehow every other element in her favor, she inexplicably ended up with around 3/4 of the worth of all assets, free and clear, no taxes due. Mind you, she has never financially contributed, nor made a single $ during our entire marriage. She has never worked and had $0 in her pocket when we married. She didn't even have a checking account, well in her thirties. She is no dummy; she is street smart, knows how to manipulate people, get her way with flirting and charm, while I am more intellectual and book smart. and She beat me hands-down. She is walking away with a sum of, not quite 7 figures, but close.

With what I am left with from the sale of the house, I am responsible to pay for all the capital gains taxes from the liquidation to the IRS, which are due in April 2019. I don't expect there to be more left over than the estimated $30k mentioned above.

Weird,
that was almost exactly the way my divorce went, letter on the table, kids snatched, accusations of mental problems, she had never worked, return to the house in exchange for limited visiting rights to my kids which she broke the moment she had possession of the house, I lost 2/3 of my assets (to which she had contributed nothing).

Buying a house is a really bad idea for a married man in the western world.
She can take it off you easily, and in 50% of marriages she does.

PS
I married the 19yo Christian virgin from a good Christian family that you all fantasise about.
But I guess it was still all my fault for believing any woman could be different.

In your case - the woman got indoctrinated slowly over time while the legal system got changed and plenty of other empowered frivorcees became the norm.

This is different to our times where other tools of information are at our disposal.

OP's story is a tale of how quickly the system works on the minds of women.

It does not matter whether her family is conservative and whether she has a good relationship with her dad. it's only one facet. If she watches current Hollywood drivel without thinking, then she gets her dose of feminism. If she works in the corporote world and meets up with other frivorcees, then she gets another dose. If she went through modern educational college gulag, then the fondation of feminist sand have been built.
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When I read such stories, how will I ever be able to commit to a girl?


My colleague in army was sergeant and his wife was major. That means she was earning a fortune, you can compare it to higher management.
He was on deployment for 6 months, then he came back and it was still okay. Few months later he was sent to combar course, which took like 6 weeks.
When he came, his house was empty. She moved away with his son and took everything with herself. Later he found out, she sucked the most of the money from the account little by little (account was really nice, because of the deployment). Plus he bought her a car few weeks before.

It had really bad impact on him. He started drinking and had problems at work.
But all the stories don´t end up badly...
Probably thanks to the platoon, he stopped drinking, finished degree, got to better unit for him, got promoted to CO and started to date younger super hot flight attendant.

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(09-03-2019 07:01 PM)sanbruno Wrote:  You can’t even protect yourself. Friend’s brother had one of those “power couple” marriages... Both had corporate hot shot jobs when they got married and agreed to keep alot separate in a pre-nup. Pre-nup was thrown out in divorce because even a hot, corporate VP sniper can cry female victimhood to the right judge.

These types of women are basically men. They may play nice for the benefits and maybe use you as a sperm donor but when it comes time to ditch you they will use all that intelligence and smarts that you liked against you along with lawyers and the child courts.

Yeah, no thanks.
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I wonder how many of these guys whose wives cheat on them and/or divorce them are in shape, have a good job, and aren't pushovers in the relationship.

Sounds to me like a lot of the guys having problems only have money but not much else to offer. Bad looks, no game (or even game awareness). And they dated problematic women to begin with.
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(09-05-2019 03:37 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  I wonder how many of these guys whose wives cheat on them and/or divorce them are in shape, have a good job, and aren't pushovers in the relationship.

Sounds to me like a lot of the guys having problems only have money but not much else to offer. Bad looks, no game (or even game awareness). And they dated problematic women to begin with.

I get a feeling these guys don't have money.

You'd be much more comfortable ghosting some broke dude that you Know has very few resources available to fight back. She knows she can just call rent-a-center and they come pick up most of what they have.

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(09-04-2019 06:40 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  
(09-04-2019 05:17 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  So what you're telling me, JayR, is that I'm not free to do what I want with my money? I can't give it to whom I want?

You're really not understanding this at all are you? Have you read at all on this topic.

In the USA (depending on the jurisdiction of course) when you marry you generally are bringing all assets to the marriage and then when it ends the assets get divided.

If you have sole and separate assets in many jurisdictions these will remain yours (such as for example a vintage baseball card your dad gave you before you married), but if you ADD to these assets then what you add will be split between both spouses upon divorce. It doesn't matter that you were the one working to build those assets it matters whether you were married when the assets were earned/gained.

You can't view "money you earned" as yours if you're married. This has been the case for a long time. This is why you have to have your asset strategy in place LONG before you'd get married. Some articles:

https://www.assetprotectionplanners.com/...s/divorce/

https://blog.credit.com/2015/05/5-ways-t...up-115748/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpagli...ada1cc3cb6

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/220124

In fact, there was a TV movie called The Half of It created by writer Mike Gibbons, that was all based off a joke he wrote. His divorce attorney told him he was getting half of everything and he laughed. Attorney asks why. He said, this is great. I've never gotten half of what I earned in my entire life.

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With the decrease in marrying young people and increase in unmarried women, whether it is happening or not, get ready for the government to start looking for ways to keep giving money to women while finding some way to take more money from the men. For instance, all these women work compaigns are simply to try to fund more money into the pockets of women since they spend more, which is good for the government and for their corporate dogs. Considering, however, that businesses still hire on merit most of the time, expect a very strong armed proposition to rear its ugly head sometime in the future. Something very devious that will make alimony and child support look like child's play.
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I wonder if the suicide rate of men in the US have anything to do with the treatment they get in divorce courts
A quick search reveals of the 147,173 suicides recorded in the US in 2017, 70% were white men
With divorce rates between 41%-50% it unfortunately makes marriage seem like a financial and health risk rather than a life commitment to look forward to
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That's because it is. I always have been told to get married and have a wife, but government marriage is not religious marriage. A religious marriage has no incentives other than the mutual respect between both partners. The moment the government got involved, now there's all these rules and pros and cons to marriage that shouldn't be there. That is why I have made the decision to avoid marriage altogether. God did not say "get married, pay the government, and you may have a penalty of losing your wife and kids to a court order." Fed marriage is a scam and a lie. I don't care about tax credits. It's a small sacrifice for the bigger one I can get.
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White women out to sabotage society and themselves. They turn into lonely spinsters and still insist "iT's ThE mEn'S fAuLt."
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