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I'm starting to think that a lot of what is written online is biased. Only people with negative experiences ever post about it online, why would someone in a good marriage bother? It leads me to ask, what are the circumstances that even lead up to a divorce?

IF a guy...

1) Is good looking (face, physique, style)
2) Has a good job/education making good money
3) Has some amount of game/red pill awareness

marries a girl who..

1) Isn't ridiculously attractive (think 6-7)
3) Has an education/job in a respectable field (medicine/engineering/science)
4) Comes from a stable family background (good father or brother, good mother)
5) Shows respect/thoughtfulness in the relationship
6) Doesn't surround herself with bad influences

Wouldn't the probability of divorce statistically come down? It seems many people who get divorced do not meet the above requirements, which aren't that ridiculous to begin with. It's literally, have a good education/job, don't be a complete sucker/pushover, and be raised in a stable family environment.

What kinds of women are these who can divorce a man, take his money, and his children - does she not have parents/siblings who would judge her for this behavior? Does she not have good relations with her inlaws? It's as if these couples are in a complete vacuum where they are free to do what they please without fear of judgement. Are these normal, well adjusted people? It seems it's mostly carousel riders settling down with older beta providers for whom divorces occur.. people who studied liberal arts in college and slept around a lot, people who came from broken homes with poor parental relationships, etc.. There is some abnormality contributing to this.
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(09-06-2019 11:43 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 07:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It's a rigged scam of a game that is killing our nation dead, but don't let that stop anyone from having kids if they meet a woman they love. Just be prepared to what happens if there is a split, and always have a backup plan. I personally think it makes more sense not to work hard in such an environment, so that way if you get hit with child support the judge won't be able to set the payments very high.

You're right, for marriage in the west, the rule must be never ever earn more than your wife.
Never ever have more assets than your wife.

When she plays the 'I have to give up work to look after the kids' card, quit your job.
My buddy’s wife, who came onto me when drunk years ago and I cautioned him to have kids, just filed for divorce from him, and she significantly out earned him. Girls do not like to earn more than heir husbands either.
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(09-07-2019 08:32 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 11:43 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 07:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It's a rigged scam of a game that is killing our nation dead, but don't let that stop anyone from having kids if they meet a woman they love. Just be prepared to what happens if there is a split, and always have a backup plan. I personally think it makes more sense not to work hard in such an environment, so that way if you get hit with child support the judge won't be able to set the payments very high.

You're right, for marriage in the west, the rule must be never ever earn more than your wife.
Never ever have more assets than your wife.

When she plays the 'I have to give up work to look after the kids' card, quit your job.
My buddy’s wife, who came onto me when drunk years ago and I cautioned him to have kids, just filed for divorce from him, and she significantly out earned him. Girls do not like to earn more than heir husbands either.

As a reference to my post just above yours, this is exactly what I mean - I don't know how old you are or how old your buddy's wife is, but would a well adjusted woman get drunk in the first place and put herself in a position to cheat when she was married? This seems like behavior that you'd see in college or high school, and I'd venture to say it stems from your buddy not keeping her in line. A girl in a committed relationship should value her husband's commitment enough to realize that putting herself in that position is disrespectful. At some point people should be growing out of that and have enough judgement to see a bad choice for what it is. It seems like men are choosing the wrong women to settle down with due to not having any game awareness, which unfortunately is a most men.
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Ditching your country to avoid child support isn’t something to be celebrated .

Quote:I left the country and never worked again.
Lucky for me the UK doesn't cancel passports for absent fathers.

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(09-06-2019 11:11 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I know some of you guys here are still pro marriage. To me it just sounds like you guys want men to get married... just cause. I haven't heard any rational reason yet why any man should get married today.

I think the biggest unstated reason is simply not dying alone.

As men get older, several things happen:

- Their friends get paired off and have less time to hang out.
- They start to desire companionship more than just sex.
- Their ability to attract younger women eventually diminishes.

The upshot is that men tend to move toward longer term relationships, but most women have expectations of marriage as the end game.

Men's strategies generally fall into one of these buckets:

1. Continue with the player lifestyle as long as possible.
2. Enter into a long term relationship, but then keep kicking the marriage can down the road. Enter into a new long term relationship once this strategy is exhausted with the current relationship.
3. Enter into a long term relationship, with the mutual understanding that marriage is off the table.
4. Enter into a long term relationship, and get married.

Strategy number three is ideal for men who don't want to get married, but the problem is finding women who will go along with this. Often, they are going to be nontraditional and left leaning.

To keep things simple, I didn't factor children into the above.
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(09-03-2019 06:00 PM)buja Wrote:  A guy comes home from work and his house is empty and nobody is there...wife, kids, and most items are gone.

Happened to two friends of mine...members of the same church congregation.

I call it getting "empty-housed" for lack of a better term.

Unbelievable...is this a new trend in the Anglosphere?

So, this is the ghosting of family separation. Consider, in the past, it was men that just up and disappeared.

My guess is it's the result of toxic feminism or family and friends telling women to cut clean from the man (maybe because of abuse allegations, but who knows?). Sometimes one parent takes the kid to their home country and the remaining parent (american/ western) is helpless at that point to get them back (saudi arabia/ gulf states come to my mind as some pretty heartbreaking public examples of how it's impossible to get the kid back).
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(09-07-2019 09:40 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 11:11 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I know some of you guys here are still pro marriage. To me it just sounds like you guys want men to get married... just cause. I haven't heard any rational reason yet why any man should get married today.

I think the biggest unstated reason is simply not dying alone.

As men get older, several things happen:

- Their friends get paired off and have less time to hang out.
- They start to desire companionship more than just sex.
- Their ability to attract younger women eventually diminishes.

The upshot is that men tend to move toward longer term relationships, but most women have expectations of marriage as the end game.

Men's strategies generally fall into one of these buckets:

1. Continue with the player lifestyle as long as possible.
2. Enter into a long term relationship, but then keep kicking the marriage can down the road. Enter into a new long term relationship once this strategy is exhausted with the current relationship.
3. Enter into a long term relationship, with the mutual understanding that marriage is off the table.
4. Enter into a long term relationship, and get married.

Strategy number three is ideal for men who don't want to get married, but the problem is finding women who will go along with this. Often, they are going to be nontraditional and left leaning.

To keep things simple, I didn't factor children into the above.

There are lots of options for high value men. Short term relationships are where it’s at.
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(09-07-2019 09:40 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 11:11 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I know some of you guys here are still pro marriage. To me it just sounds like you guys want men to get married... just cause. I haven't heard any rational reason yet why any man should get married today.

I think the biggest unstated reason is simply not dying alone.

As men get older, several things happen:

- Their friends get paired off and have less time to hang out.
- They start to desire companionship more than just sex.
- Their ability to attract younger women eventually diminishes.

The upshot is that men tend to move toward longer term relationships, but most women have expectations of marriage as the end game.

Men's strategies generally fall into one of these buckets:

1. Continue with the player lifestyle as long as possible.
2. Enter into a long term relationship, but then keep kicking the marriage can down the road. Enter into a new long term relationship once this strategy is exhausted with the current relationship.
3. Enter into a long term relationship, with the mutual understanding that marriage is off the table.
4. Enter into a long term relationship, and get married.

Strategy number three is ideal for men who don't want to get married, but the problem is finding women who will go along with this. Often, they are going to be nontraditional and left leaning.

To keep things simple, I didn't factor children into the above.

At the risk of boiling it down too much, you ever see a couple that loves each other, been together long term, common law marriage basically. but just never married because they understand their love is all that matters. I've seen it before. It can work. But usually the woman understands how marriage can and does fail, relationships for that matter as well, and realizes that pieces of government paper are stupid nor define her love or bond to one single man. In other words, the woman has some red pill (in the masculine construction of it way) awareness, or we could just call it, standing by her man, through the highest and the lowest. Although you do not run into women like this every day. They fall in love with a man, and realize they're just happy to be with him, forever, full stop.

I guess you can't call it a strategy because you both have to fall in love with the other. If anything I would call it a vulnerability. But if I think about it, sometimes you have be human and not a robot. You have expose parts of your true self, with the hope you don't get burned. That's something many will never consider. But think about it... how do some relationships last a whole lifetime?

In a world where people are becoming more cold and callous, even women, maybe it pays to be different, to be real. I for one, do not have the answer, I am young and looking for tail, but I am sure I will be thinking about this question a lot in the coming years.
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(09-07-2019 09:56 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:40 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 11:11 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I know some of you guys here are still pro marriage. To me it just sounds like you guys want men to get married... just cause. I haven't heard any rational reason yet why any man should get married today.

I think the biggest unstated reason is simply not dying alone.

As men get older, several things happen:

- Their friends get paired off and have less time to hang out.
- They start to desire companionship more than just sex.
- Their ability to attract younger women eventually diminishes.

The upshot is that men tend to move toward longer term relationships, but most women have expectations of marriage as the end game.

Men's strategies generally fall into one of these buckets:

1. Continue with the player lifestyle as long as possible.
2. Enter into a long term relationship, but then keep kicking the marriage can down the road. Enter into a new long term relationship once this strategy is exhausted with the current relationship.
3. Enter into a long term relationship, with the mutual understanding that marriage is off the table.
4. Enter into a long term relationship, and get married.

Strategy number three is ideal for men who don't want to get married, but the problem is finding women who will go along with this. Often, they are going to be nontraditional and left leaning.

To keep things simple, I didn't factor children into the above.

At the risk of boiling it down too much, you ever see a couple that loves each other, been together long term, common law marriage basically. but just never married because they understand their love is all that matters. I've seen it before. It can work. But usually the woman understands how marriage can and does fail. In other words, the woman has some red pill (in the masculine construction of it way) awareness. Although you do not run into women like this every day. They fall in love with a man, and realize they're just happy to be with him, forever, full stop.

That is a hell of a quote. Always felt that way, if your love is pure and legitimate then there shouldn't be a need to have a third party get involved to enforce it.
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(09-06-2019 11:43 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 07:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It's a rigged scam of a game that is killing our nation dead, but don't let that stop anyone from having kids if they meet a woman they love. Just be prepared to what happens if there is a split, and always have a backup plan. I personally think it makes more sense not to work hard in such an environment, so that way if you get hit with child support the judge won't be able to set the payments very high.

You're right, for marriage in the west, the rule must be never ever earn more than your wife.
Never ever have more assets than your wife.

When she plays the 'I have to give up work to look after the kids' card, quit your job.

Statistically, 75% of marriages where women out-earn the man end in frivorce. The kangaroo court is not going to be favourable to you ( you still wont get custody or $).

I like the tenacity of everyone here for trying to win a game with all the cards stacked against you but I don't think there are many options. While it may be possible to hide your assets overseas, some courts (like the US) will hunt you down to the ends of the earth with harsh consequences with actual jail time (OH NO NO NO...).

Off the top of head, the solution is to never marry. If you have kids or marry it should be done overseas in countries like Russia/UAE/Iran/etc where the rules are fair (you own your wife and children). It goes without saying it but only the wealthy or location independent can afford this. 99% of us are stuck on a platform that rapes us and we are supposed to pretend we like it. If you ever bring her to the West you have signed your own death warrant.
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This happened to an acquaintance of mine a week or so before the wedding. He woke up and found her, her stuff and the car gone and the joint bank account drained.

(09-07-2019 08:30 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  What kinds of women are these who can divorce a man, take his money, and his children - does she not have parents/siblings who would judge her for this behavior? Does she not have good relations with her inlaws? It's as if these couples are in a complete vacuum where they are free to do what they please without fear of judgement. Are these normal, well adjusted people? It seems it's mostly carousel riders settling down with older beta providers for whom divorces occur.. people who studied liberal arts in college and slept around a lot, people who came from broken homes with poor parental relationships, etc.. There is some abnormality contributing to this.

That's the thing. However, it's not just carousel riders, beta men or people from broken homes. It's a consequence of western society evolving the way it has. Women today are taught to compete with everyone and everything from day one, to be ruthless as can be and that it's okay to be the personification of the Whore of Babylon. Then you have the fact that the family is fully atomized with everyone on opposite sides of the country from each other and only seeing each other once a year if that. Plus, if the couple is raising kids, they're all separated from each other due to the parents climbing the corporate ladder, the kids going from one extracurricular to another to pad college credentials and etc.

Then, there are no cultural barriers to outlandish behavior as all notions of shame and honor have been removed. In countries where old fashioned marital practices are still alive and well, women will take a serious suitor to their family for their opinion. If it proceeds to marriage, she will do everything possible to avoid divorce as to not to disgrace her family.

This behavior isn't new. It was sung about in the 80's. The only new development is that it is now the default behavior for the western woman.



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Burner, don't want to say "it's all about power/ money", because it sounds marxist, but that is what it's all about. Women can not dominate the man, because it ends with the women being unhappy and the man being subjugated to submissive status, if you will. Marriage has to be about complementary gender roles, rather than about equality, equal sharing of responsibilities. That's why traditional marriage is so maligned because it works (along with additional appropriate societal norms that create an environment where marriage is promoted and desired, sanctified).

Women don't want to, in the most deep sense, marry down because it contradicts the most basic biological programming that woman has. Now, they end up marrying down or entering LTRs with lower status men because they want a kid, or they have been told that dominating the man is cool, "it's 2019! f*** your husband with a strap on, it's so empowering!" Women don't want that, why would they? It's all conditioning, by society, day in, day out. To go Don Draper on you: the wizards in advertising/ semiotics manufacture desire for a commodity (marriage, relationships), or more specifically an inverted marriage, and then propagate the message to the public at large. Marriage evokes stability and respectability that's why the gays went full force behind it, and that's why they (a historically maligned group of people that were considered "deviant" just a decade or two ago, are now respectable stable neighbors with kids appearing in your Target ads. To reiterate, or rephrase, the left understands the power of symbols and archetypes. That's why they take existing ones and subvert. It's a hijacking and it's far more effective than creating new symbols or trying to collectively and actively alter popular consciousness. That's why the gays made marriage their target if you really think about it. (As a footnote, read the wiki on "culture hijacking" or read up on AdBusters Magazine; to get an idea of the guiding philosophy and how powerful it's use has been by social movements. If you're looking for an easy to digest example two films that are relevant would be "They Live" and "The Matrix", in that order. Ask Shepard Fairey, a graffiti artist who did that famous Obama colored poster, what made him his millions, it was not the Obama poster, but actually the Obey man--Andre the Giant-- in other words, he made his millions from memeing a professional wrestler in a time before memes as we know them, existed. In a world of the physical as opposed to the virtual. If you ask me about it, there is something rather Situationist or Dadaist about the whole movement, philosophy.)

Women divorce men in these cases, because finally on an emotional level, such a flawed relationship takes it's toll and in many senses super unnatural to both the dominant woman and submissive husband. An inversion if you will. An inversion that is uncomfortable. The divorce is just an attempt at that point, to right the situation and find a better man. You could say such a situation (the marriage) is 1. undesirable, and 2. uncomfortable, and 3. Unnatural.

If our millieu in the West was better such divorces would be non-existent because women would be happy in their marriages to men that lead. Such a situation has happened, and it was called 50's and 60's America. Women were happier than today and evidence clearly indicates. Solve the root cause of the problem and the problem disappears. In other words, these situations are a reflection of (flawed) current conceptions of marriage, bad ideology: feminism, and policies that do not promote marriage.
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(09-07-2019 08:07 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  I left the country and never worked again.
Lucky for me the UK doesn't cancel passports for absent fathers.

You can do this for student loans but from what I hear the UK courts actually come after you in some countries. I hear a lot about UK judgements for fathers that owe child support being upheld overseas in places like Australia.

also:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6669247/de...t-parents/

you better have a 2nd passport ready. I think all of us need one as an exit option.
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(09-07-2019 10:16 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  Burner, don't want to say "it's all about power/ money", because it sounds marxist, but that is what it's all about. Women can not dominate the man, because it ends with the women being unhappy and the man being subjugated to submissive status, if you will. Marriage has to be about complementary gender roles, rather than about equality, equal sharing of responsibilities. That's why traditional marriage is so maligned because it works (along with additional appropriate societal norms that create an environment where marriage is promoted and desired, sanctified).

Women don't want to, in the most deep sense, marry down because it contradicts the most basic biological programming that woman has. Now, they end up marrying down or entering LTRs with lower status men because they want a kid, or they have been told that dominating the man is cool, "it's 2019! f*** your husband with a strap on, it's so empowering!" Women don't want that, why would they? It's all conditioning, by society, day in, day out. To go Don Draper on you: the wizards in advertising/ semiotics manufacture desire for a commodity (marriage, relationships), or more specifically an inverted marriage, and then propagate the message to the public at large. Marriage evokes stability and respectability that's why the gays went full force behind it, and that's why they (a historically maligned group of people that were considered "deviant" just a decade or two ago, are now respectable stable neighbors with kids appearing in your Target ads. To reiterate, or rephrase, the left understands the power of symbols and archetypes. That's why they take existing ones and subvert. It's a hijacking and it's far more effective than creating new symbols or trying to collectively and actively alter popular consciousness. That's why the gays made marriage their target if you really think about it. (As a footnote, read the wiki on "culture hijacking" or read up on AdBusters Magazine; to get an idea of the guiding philosophy and how powerful it's use has been by social movements. If you're looking for an easy to digest example two films that are relevant would be "They Live" and "The Matrix", in that order. Ask Shepard Fairey, a graffiti artist who did that famous Obama colored poster, what made him his millions, it was not the Obama poster, but actually the Obey man--Andre the Giant-- in other words, he made his millions from memeing a professional wrestler in a time before memes as we know them, existed. In a world of the physical as opposed to the virtual. If you ask me about it, there is something rather Situationist or Dadaist about the whole movement, philosophy.)

Women divorce men in these cases, because finally on an emotional level, such a flawed relationship takes it's toll and in many senses super unnatural to both the dominant woman and submissive husband. An inversion if you will. An inversion that is uncomfortable. The divorce is just an attempt at that point, to right the situation and find a better man. You could say such a situation (the marriage) is 1. undesirable, and 2. uncomfortable, and 3. Unnatural.

If our millieu in the West was better such divorces would be non-existent because women would be happy in their marriages to men that lead. Such a situation has happened, and it was called 50's and 60's America. Women were happier than today and evidence clearly indicates. Solve the root cause of the problem and the problem disappears. In other words, these situations are a reflection of (flawed) current conceptions of marriage, bad ideology: feminism, and policies that do not promote marriage.

I agree with the spirit of what you are trying to articulate. In the West women have insane options (hypergamy unleashed) and the bottom 80-90% men are redundant thanks to tech and government they themselves created. Everyone knows the situation is bad and things were better prior to the 1960's.

The question men on different forums are asking is how can this be fixed? Outside of a world war, catastrophe, or revolution men will continue to be redundant going into the future thanks to globalisation, automation, and central banks destroying your value. Some of you will think most of the stuff on the forum doesn't apply because you have game to get sex but these are sluts that will give it to others just as easily. I don't have a workable solution except recommending men offshore their assets and mitigate risks by living in jurisdictions that treat you best.
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Keep in mind hypergamy was just as real in old times, but the options at hand were more limited. No internet, no hypermobility, it was IRL validation as opposed to virtual. Huge difference. As well as different societal mores, and a time before government was huge. State has supplanted man as the provider. Thus one clear answer would be to reduce government to it's essential, and most basic fundamental roles. Rule of law, promotion of freedom, security, foster good economic climate.

Not to underestimate influence of mass media. The culture industry would have to change. I would suggest grassroots support for that push to change it. Call it parallel cultural institutions if you like, until those institutions surpass the legacy institutions. That believe it or not is what is already happening, and has happened in certain elements of Christian America. At that point culture fundamentally changes as popular culture undergoes a shift to reflect market realities. I believe this is what visionary Andrew Breitbart, and others like Steve Bannon imagined. Conservatives were loosing the culture war, but now I'd say it's less clear that they are (clearly) loosing. We may have already passed peak SJWism because of the ongoing political and cultural re-orientation. Although it would be really easy to argue that such a re-orientation is not happening, or won't happen, period.

As to how it can be fixed. I guess I already hinted at solutions. I don't take the doomer perspective. But birthrates have to go up. My argument with globalization is at some point all destinations will become America-like, in the status quo sense we live in here in USA, unless USA itself is the nexus of change for a cultural reorientation, which could then positively spread throughout the world. It would then be a period of new American cultural hegemony, but would be different in the sense that we would actually spread what is best about America, rather than some of the baser or more vile elements. For now though, I do understand why many want to go overseas. The women are better there, in so many cases.
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(09-07-2019 10:19 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 08:07 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  I left the country and never worked again.
Lucky for me the UK doesn't cancel passports for absent fathers.

You can do this for student loans but from what I hear the UK courts actually come after you in some countries. I hear a lot about UK judgements for fathers that owe child support being upheld overseas in places like Australia.

also:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6669247/de...t-parents/

you better have a 2nd passport ready. I think all of us need one as an exit option.

That was 10 years back, I've been back to the UK and got a new passport since then. Nobody cared.
But I was totally prepared to go back and kill her if she caused me any more problems.
I would never kill for money, but I would kill to protect (or avenge my loss) my freedom.
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(09-07-2019 08:30 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  I'm starting to think that a lot of what is written online is biased. Only people with negative experiences ever post about it online, why would someone in a good marriage bother? It leads me to ask, what are the circumstances that even lead up to a divorce?

IF a guy...

1) Is good looking (face, physique, style)
2) Has a good job/education making good money
3) Has some amount of game/red pill awareness

marries a girl who..

1) Isn't ridiculously attractive (think 6-7)
3) Has an education/job in a respectable field (medicine/engineering/science)
4) Comes from a stable family background (good father or brother, good mother)
5) Shows respect/thoughtfulness in the relationship
6) Doesn't surround herself with bad influences

Wouldn't the probability of divorce statistically come down? It seems many people who get divorced do not meet the above requirements, which aren't that ridiculous to begin with. It's literally, have a good education/job, don't be a complete sucker/pushover, and be raised in a stable family environment.

What kinds of women are these who can divorce a man, take his money, and his children - does she not have parents/siblings who would judge her for this behavior? Does she not have good relations with her inlaws? It's as if these couples are in a complete vacuum where they are free to do what they please without fear of judgement. Are these normal, well adjusted people? It seems it's mostly carousel riders settling down with older beta providers for whom divorces occur.. people who studied liberal arts in college and slept around a lot, people who came from broken homes with poor parental relationships, etc.. There is some abnormality contributing to this.

You bring up a point that I think about all the time in wanting to marry a woman from SEA(Vietnam). I hope some more insightful members than me can give their thoughts on this, but what you point out is basically what I base my future LTR/Marriage on. I am a decent looking guy, working out, I have a great job(family business), and can hold frame. If I marry a 5,6,7(7 may be pushing it, depends) with a traditional background and doesn't surround herself with bad influences, I don't see how most of this thread applies to us as you point out.

Its almost a bit "provider game" but thats what most of those marriages are, but a woman like that has no incentives to run off if she meets all your circumstances and I meet all of mine.
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Checking in here. This exact thing happened to me last Fall. Ghosting is becoming en vogue apparently. And I also had a pre-nup.

I’ve detailed the story in another thread. Happy to share again if there’s any interest.
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Why bother getting married?

Any woman who truly loves her man, will not force him to get married in the west. It just makes no sense. The most red pilled guy I know married his wife after having 2 kids with her (after the oldest turned 5!). The guy married up in all parameters: looks, age, and income. While he was not poor, being a high end salesperson, his wife was a neurosurgeon.

Getting married in 2019 is for royals (to keep appearances), billionaires with a legal team behind them, or Muslims in non-secular Muslim countries.
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(09-08-2019 01:34 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  Why bother getting married?

Any woman who truly loves her man, will not force him to get married in the west. It just makes no sense. The most red pilled guy I know married his wife after having 2 kids with her (after the oldest turned 5!). The guy married up in all parameters: looks, age, and income. While he was not poor, being a high end salesperson, his wife was a neurosurgeon.

Getting married in 2019 is for royals (to keep appearances), billionaires with a legal team behind them, or Muslims in non-secular Muslim countries.
It's really wearing on me all these boomers/late X'ers on here that got burned in their divorces have the balls to say that marriage is still the right idea, you just need to choose the "right one." Misery loves company is my only guess. Pass. I'll keep the state out of my sex life.
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(09-08-2019 01:40 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  It's really wearing on me all these boomers/late X'ers on here that got burned in their divorces have the balls to say that marriage is still the right idea, you just need to choose the "right one." Misery loves company is my only guess. Pass. I'll keep the state out of my sex life.

It's just another form of delusion, 'my one is different', or 'if only you are more careful choosing'.
In reality it's only the government laws make any difference to the outcome.
In Oman where women get nothing, there is no divorce.
In the West where women get everything, they will all divorce.

The only way to win this game in the West, is to not participate.
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(09-08-2019 06:54 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 01:40 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  It's really wearing on me all these boomers/late X'ers on here that got burned in their divorces have the balls to say that marriage is still the right idea, you just need to choose the "right one." Misery loves company is my only guess. Pass. I'll keep the state out of my sex life.

It's just another form of delusion, 'my one is different', or 'if only you are more careful choosing'.
In reality it's only the government laws make any difference to the outcome.
In Oman where women get nothing, there is no divorce.
In the West where women get everything, they will all divorce.

The only way to win this game in the West, is to not participate.

Correct. But a lot of guys here don't like listening to reason. They keep pushing the same old narrative to find "the right one" to marry. It's insanity to keep doing the same thing expecting a different outcome. Walk away from marriages.

It's not all the women's fault though. They don't know what they want. They just doing what they believe to benefit them... and failing in the long run.
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(09-08-2019 01:40 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 01:34 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  Why bother getting married?

Any woman who truly loves her man, will not force him to get married in the west. It just makes no sense. The most red pilled guy I know married his wife after having 2 kids with her (after the oldest turned 5!). The guy married up in all parameters: looks, age, and income. While he was not poor, being a high end salesperson, his wife was a neurosurgeon.

Getting married in 2019 is for royals (to keep appearances), billionaires with a legal team behind them, or Muslims in non-secular Muslim countries.
It's really wearing on me all these boomers/late X'ers on here that got burned in their divorces have the balls to say that marriage is still the right idea, you just need to choose the "right one." Misery loves company is my only guess. Pass. I'll keep the state out of my sex life.
You won't find me trying to talk you out of your stance.
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A friend of a friend went on a two week long hunting trip with colleagues from work. When he got back he was dropped off by his buddies and went into a completely empty house. Furniture, appliances, clothing....gone.

His wife had taken the goods and two teenage kids and left town.

Where this story diverges from the usual is what he did then. He put a mattress on floor of a room in the basement, a sony trinitron tube TV on a laundry cart that she had missed, dorm-fridge, microwave, and lived in that one room in the basement of a two story house.

When the kids came back to visit, they were shocked at his living conditions.

Other friends of his ask why he doesn't put some furniture in the master bedroom, and he says, "Every time my kids see me, they complain to my wife about how bad I have it, how horrible the situation she put me in is..it is totally worth it."
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(09-08-2019 01:34 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  Why bother getting married?

Of course a German would say that. Don't get married like the childless leader you people voted 3 times in a row.
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