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The funny thing about this demographics thing is I don't really see conservatives especially in America bothering to try to reach out. It's like American conservatives have been playing the same broken record for 10+ years on this topic. What exactly has it accomplished? American conservatives just have the mentality of "oh minorities just want handouts and we'll never win, blah blah" then wonder why they lost. Conservative parties in other countries won with non-white groups but then again they didn't have the purging of center-right and moderates like what happened in the Republican Party in the last 50 years.
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(09-07-2019 03:17 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  The funny thing about this demographics thing is I don't really see conservatives especially in America bothering to try to reach out. It's like American conservatives have been playing the same broken record for 10+ years on this topic. What exactly has it accomplished? American conservatives just have the mentality of "oh minorities just want handouts and we'll never win, blah blah" then wonder why they lost. Conservative parties in other countries won with non-white groups but then again they didn't have the purging of center-right and moderates like what happened in the Republican Party in the last 50 years.

I never heard of any Western country where non-Whites voted against immigration as a group. The most extreme part is in Britain with the Sikhs voting for it at rates of 55%. But overall the entire Indian group was of course mostly for the EU and more open borders.

Venezuela is a wonderful example of a country that was once majority White and then as they became minorities, the entire place voted in outright commies despite lots of examples out of history. The same groups will do so in the future in the US. They will demand more "majority-minority-anti-White" quotas - and even when the country collapses, then they will blame Whites for it all.

There is only one way if you take in non-Whites into the US - down to the bottom. At best you get another Brazil that remains in eternal dysfunction.
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Whatever, you guys can have your safe space discussion about demographics. Do me a favor and don't complain when the only choices to vote are left and far left.
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It's impossible for white nationalists to appeal to non-whites. The percentage of white nationalists in a conservative party is inversely related to that party's ability to attract non-whites. The number of non-whites supporting Trump was never high, but it was way higher in 2016 before Unite the Right, Send Her Back, walmart shootings, and other events that made people associate Republicans with open white nationalism. Conservative success with non-whites is really dependent on the stupidity of the leftist party and the extent to which they embarrass themselves. Press around the left is ironically a lot better now than it was in 2016.

Between Hillary, false rape accusations, and disastrous foreign interventions, the Democrats completely embarrassed themselves in 2016. At a moment like this, the Republicans had an opportunity to steal more of the non-white vote and swing away from white nationalism. Almost all of my friends in 2016, white and non-white, hated the Dems and saw them as hypocritical libtards. If the Dems continued embarrassing themselves, while things like Unite the Right never happened, the GOP wouldn't be viewed as negatively by the average person. A more intelligent version of Trump could have captured a bigger non-white vote and put the GOP in a better position today. A Trump who could communicate effectively, didn't cuck to KSA and Israel, didn't make ineffectual promises about the wall and immigration, and addressed issues that the average person cares about (student debt, better access to job, less outsourcing, etc etc) could have captured a decent non-white vote and assured GOP dominance for a little longer.
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I think rather than advocating for a white ethnostate it'd be better to argue for ethnostates in general. Take the indirect route to your goal as Robert Greene suggests.

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(09-07-2019 05:43 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  Whatever, you guys can have your safe space discussion about demographics. Do me a favor and don't complain when the only choices to vote are left and far left.

There can only be a clash of ideology in a society with a clear dominant group, otherwise you have a spoils system where people vote for their group interests. The future is going to increasingly be the not-white/not-american party (The Dems) vs the "white" party (and some allies) (the Republicans).

"In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.” - Lee Kuan Yew

(09-07-2019 09:15 PM)the high Wrote:  I think rather than advocating for a white ethnostate it'd be better to argue for ethnostates in general. Take the indirect route to your goal as Robert Greene suggests.

You're not going to get blacks or any other groups to support an ethnostate for themselves any more than you're going to get Gypsies in Europe to support their own state.
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(09-07-2019 10:13 PM)Yatagan Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 05:43 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  Whatever, you guys can have your safe space discussion about demographics. Do me a favor and don't complain when the only choices to vote are left and far left.

There can only be a clash of ideology in a society with a clear dominant group, otherwise you have a spoils system where people vote for their group interests. The future is going to increasingly be the not-white/not-american party (The Dems) vs the "white" party (and some allies) (the Republicans).

"In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.” - Lee Kuan Yew

(09-07-2019 09:15 PM)the high Wrote:  I think rather than advocating for a white ethnostate it'd be better to argue for ethnostates in general. Take the indirect route to your goal as Robert Greene suggests.

You're not going to get blacks or any other groups to support an ethnostate for themselves any more than you're going to get Gypsies in Europe to support their own state.

This isn't true. Even if Trump has the majority of the white American vote (not really sure if he still does), there are still millions of white Americans who want stricter gun control, support gay marriage, hate Republicans, and will support more immigration. Race is more of an issue in this political climate than it was in 1990, but a lot of the big ticket items -- college tuition, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, etc etc -- have nothing to do with race. And they have plenty of whites on both sides of the isle.

Let's not forget that 59% of Dem voters are white themselves.
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Naw. Black seperatism has been a thing amongst African Americans since Marcus Garvey probably longer. He spawned a movement called pan-Africanism (influenced Malcolm x; he referred to himself as a Garveyite") still practiced to this day. Still a hot topic in black intellectual circles. Also see the new republic of africa which advocated for african American nation states within America.

It's crazy how similar the alt-right is with the the black consciousness movement.

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(09-05-2019 07:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The very thread is a misnomer.

That is like saying: "Japanese murderers more lethal than the most violent diverse neighborhoods/ethnicities in the world!"

That is like taking the brainwashed radical White lefities and then claiming that all Whites are that.

No - most Whites at the highest rates oppose mass migration, but obviously if you take only the liberals and compare them to some averages, then you get nothing.

As if the Muslims, Mexicans and black Americans are all going to vote for Trump or anyone who demands a wall.

By that logic you could say: Japanese who have murdered prove that Japan is less safe than the worst areas of Baltimore!

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And Trump who ran mostly on an anti-immigration platform as his main issue, he got of course all those votes from the enlightened diversity:

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Whatever - don't let those hate-facts keep you from your narrative of presenting the West with the "conservative Brown mass migration Pill" as a solution.

Sigh and the worst part of this data is how indoctrinated the black community is. The black community is the most impoverished races in America but are willing to vote for people to extend benefits to illegals instead of using said money for their own community.
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(09-06-2019 04:29 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  My perception, both online and offline, is that 'minorities' are in favor of leftist causes only as long as it benefits them - they are not ideologically inclined, and will go against their handlers if it is against their deeply held beliefs (like muslims protesting lgbt indoctrination). They just want the gimme dats, but they are not ideological. This is not particularly moral, but in my opinion, it's better than whatever drug the white liberals are on.

White liberals are pathologically ideological - all I have to do is look at my Linkedin feed to see both man and women of European extraction drool all over anything diversity, inclusion, whatever. It's insane. They really believe this shit - which is extra weird because their ideas are more often than not internally contradictory. I comparatively see a lot less 'minorities' doing that.

In general, I deal better with (and it's more palatable to me) the default minority outlook than the liberal white one. At least you can have a sense of humor with the former. With the latter, they will report you for hate speech at the smallest thought crime.

Yes money rules as all. Mulsim people should be the most anti-LGBT group in the West but will vote in droves for any fag running as long as they promise more welfare or child tax benefits. Just like a race horse on a track; their finish line is more gimme and their blinders are the racism from the right
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(09-07-2019 03:17 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  The funny thing about this demographics thing is I don't really see conservatives especially in America bothering to try to reach out. It's like American conservatives have been playing the same broken record for 10+ years on this topic. What exactly has it accomplished? American conservatives just have the mentality of "oh minorities just want handouts and we'll never win, blah blah" then wonder why they lost. Conservative parties in other countries won with non-white groups but then again they didn't have the purging of center-right and moderates like what happened in the Republican Party in the last 50 years.

You're right in a sense. In a homogeneous country, politics revolves around principles and the merits of candidates to govern.

In a diverse nation, politics revolves around pandering to whichever grab-bag of minorities will get you across the line, principles and merit be damned.

Better to start a new homogeneous country than ride out the perpetual political degradation diversity causes.

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Some believe that White Americans will start to rebel, talk of a split of some US states when their votes stop to make a difference. After 2024, but 2028 at the latest this will become true as White Americans won't ever have any power in choosing a president.

I seriously doubt that - it will be a slow relentless descent to the bottom, to more dysfunction, to more anti-White hatred and policies until the country collapses or becomes something of a mix between Brazil and South Africa.

Non-Whites then will still keep on blaming Whites for all of it. Nations come and go and a nation is a people that shares common ancestry. Anything else is just a technical meaningless term that can work under a more benevolent majority.

I can even predict that in 3000 years the world will be ruled by a dominant tribe who creates an ethno-state within. That may be even one akin to some Arab states where the locals make up 15% of the population. But you see - those locals have 100% of the power and only they are citizens. Even that can work. Though those Arabs would be brutal like hell if they saw violent unruly neighborhoods in Baltimore, Chicago. Those areas would be peaceful fast or dead.

Either way - we should understand that most of the West is doomed, and that it was conquered by relentless indoctrination and the guise of compassion. This has happened in the past in history and those empires don't exist anymore.
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It's funny that you have some on here talking about how the right out to "reach" out to the minorities and ease on the "white nationalism", when even chumps like Dubya get labeled as a "racist" by them.
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(09-08-2019 08:41 AM)Yatagan Wrote:  It's funny that you have some on here talking about how the right out to "reach" out to the minorities and ease on the "white nationalism", when even chumps like Dubya get labeled as a "racist" by them.

So what exactly is your solution?

Minorities and liberals aren't going anywhere. Right wingers could "deal with them" by starting a civil war...which would plunge most of the country into Somalia levels of violence and poverty. You could try converting white liberals, but for every one who goes red ten more immigrants become citizens and vote blue anyway.

It's a moot conversation at this point. Trump dug the GOP into a hole. A good 60% of the country views them as racist, low-IQ hicks. Trump made the mistake of being both loud and ineffectual. As a result nothing tangible got done, while the left is mobilized and on the offensive.
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(09-08-2019 06:49 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  It's a moot conversation at this point.

It may have been moot, as you say, but not for the subsequent reason. This is why so many people bother me when talking about the issue. They can be intelligent on some points (and you bring up good ones) but you don't critically assess the totality and time-frame of the situation.

Quote:Trump dug the GOP into a hole. A good 60% of the country views them as racist, low-IQ hicks. Trump made the mistake of being both loud and ineffectual. As a result nothing tangible got done, while the left is mobilized and on the offensive.

Trump was just the symptom of a multi-decade disease which sought some sort of "cure". I fail to see why so many trolls keep coming back to the Trump thread and don't get this. The left isn't mobilized, they are spiritually lost, as is most of the country, "Republicans" included. Having major media and nearly every meaningful corporation of power carrying your water doesn't make you "mobilized" it shows you the decades of disease built into the system Mr. Trump inherited.

You act like the old school business Democrat, known as Trump, even while being a patriot, would somehow be able to reign with harmony ... are you smoking DMT with Rogan or something? It's just a totally unfounded and unfathomable idea.

I don't really see a way out, and I'm not old enough to feel ok with languishing away here. What good is making a good amount of money here if no one values you, really, as a male?

Things might change, but it doesn't seem to me that the misandry bubble is popping anytime soon, nor is a military coup OR secession going to happen. So, as I always say, I direct you below:

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Good post. When I say mobilized, I mean that they're pissed off and ready to get their hands dirty politically. It's not just the media backing them. The average person in a blue state or blue area views the GOP as a bunch of pedophiles and racists. I've noticed this myself, where friends who previously were somewhat sympathetic to Trump now outright despise him and his supporters. So basically all Trump has really accomplished is just making liberals even more liberal and less likely to cross the eisle to the GOP...which was probably their one real shot at retaining power.

The people talking about civil war on here are full of BS. They don't want their kids growing up in an apocalyptic shithole, nor do they want their first world living standards reduced to Somalia standards. A peaceful separation is impossible (we all know this) and any attempted separation would kick off a shit storm of epic proportions.

Trump couldn't have reigned in harmony, but he could have secured a lot more of the minority/liberal vote if things went differently. Not a majority, but a sizeable enough minority that the GOP would remain relevant for the next few decades. It's not just white nationalism or the GOP's association with it. It's his failure to tackle things like student debt, medical costs, mental health crises, and other things that the average American actually gives a shit about.

Like it or not, the GOP's best shot was to incorporate more minorities and liberals, instead they squandered it to make a lot of noise and accomplish very little.
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I don't think it's as bad as you are saying. I believe a lot of blacks and latinos actually do support Trump and in greater numbers, in particular locations.

I generally agree about a peaceful separation being unlikely. I also think we are all, odds-wise, guessing that things will be actually be much worse than they are, or could be. The greatest likelihood is that it's just a slow decline where tons of people still try to get into the US for the limited economy it has, which is still worlds better than the rest.

In any case, I don't see women getting any better here for at least 10-20 years, if that. So I don't really give a damn about this rat race. The only thing the US is good for anymore is standard of living and infrastructure, which is getting more expensive everywhere, and making loot. Arbitrage is the only way.

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(09-08-2019 08:11 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  Good post. When I say mobilized, I mean that they're pissed off and ready to get their hands dirty politically. It's not just the media backing them. The average person in a blue state or blue area views the GOP as a bunch of pedophiles and racists. I've noticed this myself, where friends who previously were somewhat sympathetic to Trump now outright despise him and his supporters. So basically all Trump has really accomplished is just making liberals even more liberal and less likely to cross the eisle to the GOP...which was probably their one real shot at retaining power.

The people talking about civil war on here are full of BS. They don't want their kids growing up in an apocalyptic shithole, nor do they want their first world living standards reduced to Somalia standards. A peaceful separation is impossible (we all know this) and any attempted separation would kick off a shit storm of epic proportions.

Trump couldn't have reigned in harmony, but he could have secured a lot more of the minority/liberal vote if things went differently. Not a majority, but a sizeable enough minority that the GOP would remain relevant for the next few decades. It's not just white nationalism or the GOP's association with it. It's his failure to tackle things like student debt, medical costs, mental health crises, and other things that the average American actually gives a shit about.

Like it or not, the GOP's best shot was to incorporate more minorities and liberals, instead they squandered it to make a lot of noise and accomplish very little.

Almost like it is all on purpose and the guys on top who run both parties win no matter who wins the election.

Either they get military spending and tax cuts with the GOP

Or they get to push their anti-family agenda creating more depressed worker bees seeking escape from their taxation job through capitalist means of distraction (TV, HFCS laced food, sports, movies, music, etc.).

With either they get more labor to drive down labor costs.

The stuff you speak of will never be addressed by either party in a serious manner. They will speak about it on the campaign but once they win the election nothing will be done and the other side is always to blame. The clock keeps running and the guys on top keep adding to their piles of wealth.
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George W. Bush was the president with the highest percentage of Hispanics in the history of the Republican party in the modern era in 2004.

He had a whopping 44% of the Hispanic vote when he faced John Kerry which is really good for a Republican. He did do a lot of ass kissing though. He did a full blown campaign in Spanish, appeared on Univision multiple times kissing Jorge Ramos' ass, weared Mexican sombreros, spoke lots of words in Spanish, paraded his Mexican nephews around, ate Mexican food all over and dance mariachi songs and took pictures with then president of Mexico Vicente Fox. Bush also pushed for comprehensive Immigration reform and wanted to implement the largest amnesty bill in the history of America and wanted to top his hero Ronald Reagan who did amnesty in 1986. Bush's bill was defeated in the Senate in 2006 by a small margin, but it almost became law.

There's a lot of talk about Democrats being for open borders, but Republicans are usually the ones who follow through. Ronald Reagan (Republican) gave amnesty to over 10 million illegals in 1986, and Bush Jr. (Republican) passed a bill in the house, but was defeated in the Senate that was going to give 20 million more illegals amnesty.

It makes you wonder.

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< If you research the real estate insanity then you find out that the majority of those insane loans were taken by Latinos. It was thus a logical conclusion - spend hundreds of billions and you get full support of Latinos so long as you keep the money flowing. He could have given them each a Porsche - that would have been cheaper.
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The purpose of the GOP is to re-direct white voter energy into elite policy goals. Whether it’s open borders, Israel, military spending and so on.
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(09-07-2019 11:31 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 07:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The very thread is a misnomer.

That is like saying: "Japanese murderers more lethal than the most violent diverse neighborhoods/ethnicities in the world!"

That is like taking the brainwashed radical White lefities and then claiming that all Whites are that.

No - most Whites at the highest rates oppose mass migration, but obviously if you take only the liberals and compare them to some averages, then you get nothing.

As if the Muslims, Mexicans and black Americans are all going to vote for Trump or anyone who demands a wall.

By that logic you could say: Japanese who have murdered prove that Japan is less safe than the worst areas of Baltimore!



And Trump who ran mostly on an anti-immigration platform as his main issue, he got of course all those votes from the enlightened diversity:



Whatever - don't let those hate-facts keep you from your narrative of presenting the West with the "conservative Brown mass migration Pill" as a solution.

Sigh and the worst part of this data is how indoctrinated the black community is. The black community is the most impoverished races in America but are willing to vote for people to extend benefits to illegals instead of using said money for their own community.


Because from what I notice, its more about race to Black people than anything else.

They see the immigration issue as an attack on them as well. As in to say "Damn, Trump doesn't want Mexicans here, hell he probably doesn't want me here either, he's a crazy white supremacist", goes the thinking.

I literally heard a Black dude on the radio say "Trump is coming after the Mexicans now with the raids, etc... We are next, and he's going to finish us off too as well".

Black people are lock-stock and barrel tied up with the Democratic party. Hispanics on the other hand can be swayed a little easier than Blacks.
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RE: White liberals more supportive of immigration and diversity than minorities
(09-08-2019 06:49 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:41 AM)Yatagan Wrote:  It's funny that you have some on here talking about how the right out to "reach" out to the minorities and ease on the "white nationalism", when even chumps like Dubya get labeled as a "racist" by them.

So what exactly is your solution?

Minorities and liberals aren't going anywhere. Right wingers could "deal with them" by starting a civil war...which would plunge most of the country into Somalia levels of violence and poverty. You could try converting white liberals, but for every one who goes red ten more immigrants become citizens and vote blue anyway.

It's a moot conversation at this point. Trump dug the GOP into a hole. A good 60% of the country views them as racist, low-IQ hicks. Trump made the mistake of being both loud and ineffectual. As a result nothing tangible got done, while the left is mobilized and on the offensive.

There's no voting your way out of the mess that's the demographic collapse of the States with 60-100 million turd worlders since '65 and shitlibs that literally want you broke, injured or dead, any more than there was one with the Serbs with Kosovo or any other group that faced the hard reality that demographics is destiny.

Being under the delusion that minorities are really just white americans on the inside and don't have interests at odds with heritage america is not the solution that's for damn sure. America never managed to assimilate the blacks after several centuries for fuck's sake.
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RE: White liberals more supportive of immigration and diversity than minorities
Well then what exactly are you suggesting?

Like I said, 99.99% of all people don't have the stomach for a civil war situation that would turn America into Syria and possibly cause a nuclear exchange. N one is willing to literally destroy the country just to own the libs. The number who want this and will actually follow through is so miniscule (and probably infiltrated) that it's a moot conversation at this point.
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RE: White liberals more supportive of immigration and diversity than minorities
It's important to remember that for leftists, the merit of an idea is in its intention - not in its results and not in the behavior of the person espousing it. If you "meant well" when you took a gigantic yacht or private jet to go talk about carbon emissions on the other side of the world, then you had a good intention and are therefore a good person. If you voted for mass migration because you meant well for the refugees, then it doesn't matter whether you live in a gated community and send your kid to a private school where they'll never feel the effects of that migration. It doesn't matter if the result of your vote for migration is a spike in crime. Your intention was good and therefore you are good. It's entirely about the way that an idea makes them feel, completely divorced from the reality of either its results or their own behavior in comparison to the ideal they uphold in said feelings. White liberals seem to suffer from this form of self-deception more than any other group of people in the nation.

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