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Their intentions have merit. Not yours. It is assumed you don't mean well, no matter how much actual good you do.

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(09-08-2019 08:33 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Some believe that White Americans will start to rebel, talk of a split of some US states when their votes stop to make a difference. After 2024, but 2028 at the latest this will become true as White Americans won't ever have any power in choosing a president.

I seriously doubt that - it will be a slow relentless descent to the bottom, to more dysfunction, to more anti-White hatred and policies until the country collapses or becomes something of a mix between Brazil and South Africa.

Non-Whites then will still keep on blaming Whites for all of it. Nations come and go and a nation is a people that shares common ancestry. Anything else is just a technical meaningless term that can work under a more benevolent majority.

I can even predict that in 3000 years the world will be ruled by a dominant tribe who creates an ethno-state within. That may be even one akin to some Arab states where the locals make up 15% of the population. But you see - those locals have 100% of the power and only they are citizens. Even that can work. Though those Arabs would be brutal like hell if they saw violent unruly neighborhoods in Baltimore, Chicago. Those areas would be peaceful fast or dead.

Either way - we should understand that most of the West is doomed, and that it was conquered by relentless indoctrination and the guise of compassion. This has happened in the past in history and those empires don't exist anymore.

No, when America finally goes bankrupt, and the welfare checks start flowing, there will be civil war. Money is weak glue, and without money there is absolutely nothing left holding this country together.

I believe the balkanization of America was a long-term goal of elite Jews, because they will be able to play each region of America against each other. When the diversity is going out to raid and pillage in order to survive in a post-gibs world, most Whites will have no choice but to get tribal again and form their own states. Those who do not join will be food for the hordes.

There will still be rich Whites in the few cities that survive bankruptcy, of course, who will be able to keep the hordes in control with a massive police state.

Bankruptcy is coming to America within 50 years, most likely in 30. In 30 years from now, interest payments on debts alone will be over 10 trillion, which is more than our entire present budget. They will be forced to hyperinflate the currency to pay off debts, which will create the big squeeze on all welfare programs. Suddenly the monthly EBTs will not buy much more than some eggs and milk, and that's when the fun starts.

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(09-09-2019 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  and without money there is absolutely nothing left holding this country together.

I've been saying this for some time, there is absolutely no doubt about it.

Have you been on the Balkanization bandwagon for long, Samseau?

It's funny, the only way you can keep a people together for the long term but for the usual "We are the same race and have been in this same location for centuries" is if there is a unified, national religion, like the Byzantines with the Emperor.

We may all be wrong about how quickly this next economic crisis or market drop occurs, but I do agree that for sure, we will see a major national crisis in America in our lifetimes.

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The financial collapse has been foretold unsuccessfully for many a year. If the bankers are able to establish a successful world order then they will simply forgive as much debt as is necessary to keep the wheels turning while keeping all nations enslaved to them. They have no incentive to crash their own system by calling in bad debt on that scale so all that remains to be seen is whether they can bring the few remaining holdout nations to heel.

If they manage that then there will be endless restructuring but no collapse. They will find tune the absolute minimum they can leave a man at the end of the working day before he becomes homicidal and his collective debt repayments from personal to national will be fine tuned appropriately.

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(09-09-2019 01:39 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  Well then what exactly are you suggesting?

Like I said, 99.99% of all people don't have the stomach for a civil war situation that would turn America into Syria and possibly cause a nuclear exchange. N one is willing to literally destroy the country just to own the libs. The number who want this and will actually follow through is so miniscule (and probably infiltrated) that it's a moot conversation at this point.

Ideally? Something along the lines of Czechoslovakia's velvet divorce. Unfortunately, we're going to end up with something akin to Brazil at best, and South Africa at worse.
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(09-09-2019 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  No, when America finally goes bankrupt, and the welfare checks start flowing, there will be civil war. Money is weak glue, and without money there is absolutely nothing left holding this country together.

I believe the balkanization of America was a long-term goal of elite Jews, because they will be able to play each region of America against each other. When the diversity is going out to raid and pillage in order to survive in a post-gibs world, most Whites will have no choice but to get tribal again and form their own states. Those who do not join will be food for the hordes.

There will still be rich Whites in the few cities that survive bankruptcy, of course, who will be able to keep the hordes in control with a massive police state.

Bankruptcy is coming to America within 50 years, most likely in 30. In 30 years from now, interest payments on debts alone will be over 10 trillion, which is more than our entire present budget. They will be forced to hyperinflate the currency to pay off debts, which will create the big squeeze on all welfare programs. Suddenly the monthly EBTs will not buy much more than some eggs and milk, and that's when the fun starts.

Look at this way - the Soviet Union had an incredibly backwards capitalist system that barely left feudalism behind, then they jumped straight into communism and they still managed to hold on to it for decades.

The US is not Venezuela in terms of demographics and likely never will be. It will become something more akin to Brazil with far more Asians and higher-IQ Indians.

A split is what the elite will never allow, because they know that the White USA will outperform anyone else while others collapse. Obviously Hawaii or other Asian dominated parts will do fine as well.

The gist of it is that economic potential and power of the US is tremendous. Plus - many corporations will remain in the US just as some did in the Soviet Union. There is no need for food shortages if you can simply ration food or make certain items more expensive. They can legalize pot and heroin making those things legal and cheaper, they will give everyone more addictive VR sets and pay you extra to not have kids at all. They can do a myriad things all without losing control.

Remember - they don't need to have all the gimmedats - they can just pay the necessities for them while paying the military and police well enough for them to stay and serve.
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(09-09-2019 10:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The financial collapse has been foretold unsuccessfully for many a year. If the bankers are able to establish a successful world order then they will simply forgive as much debt as is necessary to keep the wheels turning while keeping all nations enslaved to them. They have no incentive to crash their own system by calling in bad debt on that scale so all that remains to be seen is whether they can bring the few remaining holdout nations to heel.

If they manage that then there will be endless restructuring but no collapse. They will find tune the absolute minimum they can leave a man at the end of the working day before he becomes homicidal and his collective debt repayments from personal to national will be fine tuned appropriately.

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(09-09-2019 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  No, when America finally goes bankrupt, and the welfare checks start flowing, there will be civil war. Money is weak glue, and without money there is absolutely nothing left holding this country together.

I believe the balkanization of America was a long-term goal of elite Jews, because they will be able to play each region of America against each other. When the diversity is going out to raid and pillage in order to survive in a post-gibs world, most Whites will have no choice but to get tribal again and form their own states. Those who do not join will be food for the hordes.

There will still be rich Whites in the few cities that survive bankruptcy, of course, who will be able to keep the hordes in control with a massive police state.

Bankruptcy is coming to America within 50 years, most likely in 30. In 30 years from now, interest payments on debts alone will be over 10 trillion, which is more than our entire present budget. They will be forced to hyperinflate the currency to pay off debts, which will create the big squeeze on all welfare programs. Suddenly the monthly EBTs will not buy much more than some eggs and milk, and that's when the fun starts.

Look at this way - the Soviet Union had an incredibly backwards capitalist system that barely left feudalism behind, then they jumped straight into communism and they still managed to hold on to it for decades.

The US is not Venezuela in terms of demographics and likely never will be. It will become something more akin to Brazil with far more Asians and higher-IQ Indians.

A split is what the elite will never allow, because they know that the White USA will outperform anyone else while others collapse. Obviously Hawaii or other Asian dominated parts will do fine as well.

The gist of it is that economic potential and power of the US is tremendous. Plus - many corporations will remain in the US just as some did in the Soviet Union. There is no need for food shortages if you can simply ration food or make certain items more expensive. They can legalize pot and heroin making those things legal and cheaper, they will give everyone more addictive VR sets and pay you extra to not have kids at all. They can do a myriad things all without losing control.

Remember - they don't need to have all the gimmedats - they can just pay the necessities for them while paying the military and police well enough for them to stay and serve.

The bankers ability to manipulate money only goes so far. Eventually supply chains break down because the money used to pay for them becomes so worthless, people stop going to work as it's not worth it. People will eventually move to harder currencies like crypto, gold, or barter. As a result the cost of basic goods inflates, South American style, and people cannot afford anything. Then the giant welfare hordes will begin to raze and pillage in order to survive.

The debasement of our currency is inevitable, it is just math. The Soviet Union was able to keep going because of GULAG slave labor, which didn't require money. If America has to resort to Communist slave labor, there will be revolts. Doesn't matter how cucked Americans get, there will be millions who would rather go down fighting than live out life as a gulag slave.

If there was a recipe for eternal power, it would have been found and used by now. It doesn't work that way. Satan himself is not happy if one group of people hold onto power too long, he loves carnage and chaos. He will let the Jews continue their reign of terror but eventually he grows bored and lets the masses revolt and burn society down. God meanwhile uses these forces to plant the seeds of the next great Christian civilization.

This cycle has happened many times before, and was prophesied by Christ himself explaining how it works:

Quote:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Many houses built on sand have fallen throughout our recorded history, and many more will fall before the final judgement. All of this is foretold and preordained by God, because He knew when he gave humans free will what the average result would be.

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Have you actually read the Gulag Archipelago?

They did a remarkably good job of keeping the whole thing secret until it was far too late for the people.
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(09-10-2019 02:42 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Have you actually read the Gulag Archipelago?

They did a remarkably good job of keeping the whole thing secret until it was far too late for the people.

It will be far harder to run slave camps in America with internet. At most they will have "digital" gulags where people are separated from everyone, and the only way to survive will be to work for food once you are unpersoned from the net.

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We can only wonder. The internet has already lost its edge as an information dispersal device and telecommunications are already on lockdown. I suspect the elites are already at "flip the switch" levels of total information control which they will use when it's genuinely important to do so.

As for the financial system I also think the elites have a lot more play to work with in terms of totalitarian mechanisms of wealth redistribution. Survival of our nations and their peoples will rely on rebellion coming sooner rather than later or we will simply be genocided by soft and then hard means.

In any case it's in God's hands. It falls to us to speak truth and prepare in the 7 years of plenty for the 7 years of lean.

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< They don't need gulags.

When safety due to diversity and economic hardships becomes too difficult, then chipping the population will be offered as a solution - in addition to combat drones on every street corner.

Essentially you can create your gulag everywhere if the chip contains your ID with which you have to log in into the internet, with which you pay everything etc. Any dissenter would have his internet access barred or have his bank-function nullified for a week. Obviously you would need decades and more indoctrination get there, but this is not that difficult. Population can easily be reduced later when you control it all. For example - give a better basic income for everyone who restricts their children to 1 kid or even better - give more cash for someone who has zero kids.

Anything of a swift collapse would only create rebellion and there are way too many rebellious armed White people left in the West in order to do it in 5,10 or even 15 years. You have to remember - time is on their side. They live like kings times 100 already and the demographics works for them relentlessly. All they need to do is make sure to not lose control, wait until Whites are 30-40% of the population, then constantly add ever more tools to the Orwellian police state that most dumbed down "new citizens" will not even see through. Heck - they will vote for it so long as it's sold well.

They can sell you anything - any stupid shit because they own all the media. Recently I saw this great documentary by the Youtuber AIU: https://youtu.be/EaFsweUVx4I

It's about the Central Park 5 and the sheer level of insanity the political and media establishment lies and gives millions to proven gang-rapists - all for political dogma. If they can do that, then they can usher in their dictatorship within decades - prevent Whites from rebelling and make it impossible in the future as there will be only a few White enclaves left in 20-30 years.
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(09-09-2019 10:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The financial collapse has been foretold unsuccessfully for many a year. If the bankers are able to establish a successful world order then they will simply forgive as much debt as is necessary to keep the wheels turning while keeping all nations enslaved to them. They have no incentive to crash their own system by calling in bad debt on that scale so all that remains to be seen is whether they can bring the few remaining holdout nations to heel.

If they manage that then there will be endless restructuring but no collapse. They will find tune the absolute minimum they can leave a man at the end of the working day before he becomes homicidal and his collective debt repayments from personal to national will be fine tuned appropriately.

I think you dramatically over-estimate the actual control they have. Their biggest weakness is that they do as well.

They can "stimulate" etc all they like but at the end of the day markets need active participation and trading from all of the smaller fish out there who aren't mega-billionaires in order to work. Mario Draghi has straight up admitted that the ECB is trapped and has to continue easing because nobody else would buy Euro debt; and that situation is overall driving massive amounts of capital to the US (which is why the P/E ratios have continued climbing).


Quote:It's about the Central Park 5 and the sheer level of insanity the political and media establishment lies and gives millions to proven gang-rapists - all for political dogma. If they can do that, then they can usher in their dictatorship within decades - prevent Whites from rebelling and make it impossible in the future as there will be only a few White enclaves left in 20-30 years.

Maybe. The biggest problem they have is that they've created a left that is batshit crazy beyond their own expectations. It's literally impossible to interact with these screeching banshees and hordes of ANTIFA running around clocking people make the right feel that violence is justified.

I honestly think the only thing preventing the right from getting violent on a massive scale is the illusion that Trump being in office means they have meaningful political representation.
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ANTIFA et al are just useful idiots used to shut down Right wing dialogue and protests. If the Right resists then they go to jail for a very long time, as had been demonstrated. They are no threat to the elites whatsoever. They can't plan and execute anything beyond the next "bash people and wreck shit" event.

As for the inevitability of a crash, where there are two parts to that. Firstly, when? Secondly, on whose terms?

Sure, it'll probably happen eventually, though as we've seen there's no accurate manner to predict it, not even down to the decade apparently. I suspect that the big players will trigger it themselves on their own terms, likely in tandem with a serious false flag attack leading to a war, during or after which they will push for a global currency. Maybe in 5 years. Maybe in 10. Maybe in 20. All I know is that "experts" have been predicting the imminent financial collapse of the US for literally decades now. Being prepared for harder times ahead makes as much good sense as it ever did, but nobody should bother cranking up the air-raid sirens right this very second unless they have some kind of truly unique insight.

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Follow Armstrong. He's been one the few anti-establishment voices explaining exactly why we aren't overdue for a crash and overvalued the way the Zerohedge nutjobs do. He explains exactly what the mechanism is likely to be (root cause is that socialism is no longer sustainable because low interest rates used to prop up government debt are having "unforeseen consequences") and when we are likely to see the crash actually happen (The US Dollar needs to deflate first, which will happen as European economic woes intensify).
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Example of what I"m talking about: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/marke...l-history/

Quote:If asked, of course, I advise to issue long-term debt NOW at these absurd low rates. I also advise individuals to lock in fixed-rate mortgages.

Germany just tried to issue negative interest 30-year bonds with a total offering of 2bn€ of which they only sold 824million were purchased. This is showing that this whole theory of negative interest rates as seen its day. The US is now even considering issuing 50-year and 100-years bonds as interest rates plummet.

I have reviewed the buyers of these negative bonds which now amount to $15 trillion outstanding globally. What is actually taking place in the market is really dominated by punters rather than investors. In other words, the people have been buying them to flip assuming rates would just go lower.
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(09-11-2019 06:40 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 10:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The financial collapse has been foretold unsuccessfully for many a year. If the bankers are able to establish a successful world order then they will simply forgive as much debt as is necessary to keep the wheels turning while keeping all nations enslaved to them. They have no incentive to crash their own system by calling in bad debt on that scale so all that remains to be seen is whether they can bring the few remaining holdout nations to heel.

If they manage that then there will be endless restructuring but no collapse. They will find tune the absolute minimum they can leave a man at the end of the working day before he becomes homicidal and his collective debt repayments from personal to national will be fine tuned appropriately.

I think you dramatically over-estimate the actual control they have. Their biggest weakness is that they do as well.

They can "stimulate" etc all they like but at the end of the day markets need active participation and trading from all of the smaller fish out there who aren't mega-billionaires in order to work. Mario Draghi has straight up admitted that the ECB is trapped and has to continue easing because nobody else would buy Euro debt; and that situation is overall driving massive amounts of capital to the US (which is why the P/E ratios have continued climbing).


Quote:It's about the Central Park 5 and the sheer level of insanity the political and media establishment lies and gives millions to proven gang-rapists - all for political dogma. If they can do that, then they can usher in their dictatorship within decades - prevent Whites from rebelling and make it impossible in the future as there will be only a few White enclaves left in 20-30 years.

Maybe. The biggest problem they have is that they've created a left that is batshit crazy beyond their own expectations. It's literally impossible to interact with these screeching banshees and hordes of ANTIFA running around clocking people make the right feel that violence is justified.

I honestly think the only thing preventing the right from getting violent on a massive scale is the illusion that Trump being in office means they have meaningful political representation.

The right is already ramping up the violence. These incel WN shootings didn't exactly come out of a vacuum.

At the end of the day all of this race and immigration drama is a sideshow from the fact that the country is trillions in debt, millions of people are crushed under student debts that are out of control, family structures are getting destroyed, mental health and suicide rates are spiking, healthcare is out of control, and that we're funding genocidal barbarians (the Saudis) in the Middle East. Trump has done fuck all to counteract all of this and in many ways has made these things worse.

I barely experience serious racial problems or racism in my daily life. Probably not popular around here but where I live people of all races get along as long as they are respectful. I don't worry about minorities or any particular race of people. I do worry about my kids needing to take massive loans to get decent jobs, having fucked up mental health from a toxic culture, so on and so forth. The race stuff is ultimately a distraction from the fact that elites on the left and the right are doing nothing tangible to fix these issues.
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That's something I've pointed out.

Keep in mind that what's happening now is what's happening now is one where the labor force participation rate has been slightly (very) improving, markets are up, and non-farm payrolls are generally up.

This violence is in a GOOD economy. When you turn the economy down significantly any existing social problems and tensions explode. It's no coincidence that every major revolution or civil conflict has occurred during major declines.


So anyone (not just speaking about people here) thinks that some combination of "What Nationalists"/ANTIFA is bad now then my prognosis is "you ain't seen nothing yet".
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Race politics is like this in America..minorities dislike each other and distrust each other just as much as minorities vs whites or vice versa. This is pretty obvious. This is why multiculturalism is doomed to fail.

However, i'd say that in general blacks in particular don't get along with any other minority group when they are in any number greater than a token small %. This is why latinos and blacks compete so fiercely for the same resources. They both have high time preference and usually end up in the same social class. They are both bred from a hybrid nomadic hunter gatherer stock who never had any real civilization. One is clearly superior though. In California I already saw who won,...pretty easily I might add.


Like I have said many times if blacks knew what was coming down the pipeline they would switch to 90%+ Republican voting overnight. The only problem is most of them really aren't that bright. The irony of African-Americans is that their future is tied very closely with the prosperity of White Americans. One can exist without the other but African-Americans can't exist without whites.

The concept of "la raza" is a complete joke though. Latinos are mentally slaves to the caste system. There is no new race. There will be no reinvigoration of a proven failure. The only race borne by mestizos is the one bred by centuries of servitude and indoctrination by their castizo masters.

Once the demographics flip and mostly mestizo and indio foot soldiers take over the U.S. the "new" castizo class will just be reconstituted as predominately Jews, Anglos, and a sprinkling of old school Castizo class latin american elites like Vincente Fox.

Maybe it won't all happen during lifetime but in a century i'm sure it will be a done deal. All throughout the new latino majority will just replicate the failure in their own countries with the same caste that they have always had.

Basic white peons are left to fend for themselves against the 13 do 50 demographic in whatever city they are left to flounder in. Sorry, you don't get the benefits of the elite.

Latinos will eventually reconquer the U.S. The illegal stats of illegals flooding over is mind boggling. I saw how it fucked California all up while I was pretty young and I see most of America actually becoming more compliant to this takeover.


If Trump really does "try" (heh tard) to right the ship in his hypothetical second term that won't stop what's coming after. He will literally be the last populist right wing president in the U.S. now.

After Trump it's all going to be all Mitt Romney clones and other firmly entrenched ziocon stamped candidates prepped for the Republican party. Their era of living on the wild side is at an end with the demographics cliff edging oh so close.

Then plenty more mystery boomer tier shills will suddenly pop up on various internet spaces to stroke job up their favorite pro Israel policies. tard Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk is the future of the Republican party.
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The idea that debt is more important than demographics - you will see this mainstream narrative in the next decades.

Come back and tell me how the debt-ridden Japanese will be still Japan while the debt-ridden US will look like Brazil. I know which country will be more wortwhile to live in even during a debt-restructuring recession. Those debts can be dealt with, but once your demographics are gone, then there is no USA anymore. The US was created by Christian Anglos with other Europeans who integrated willingly. Anyone else was simply not necessary or even negative to the overall development of the country. You take the Euro-stock out and it's a highly different place.

As for the future - sure - the future Latino USA will have the same Jewish and Europeans ruling. They will call their kids Juan Carlos III, spend some time in the Caribbean to get a nice tan going and voila - Latino overlord transformation complete.
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(09-12-2019 07:51 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The idea that debt is more important than demographics - you will see this mainstream narrative in the next decades.

Come back and tell me how the debt-ridden Japanese will be still Japan while the debt-ridden US will look like Brazil. I know which country will be more wortwhile to live in even during a debt-restructuring recession. Those debts can be dealt with, but once your demographics are gone, then there is no USA anymore. The US was created by Christian Anglos with other Europeans who integrated willingly. Anyone else was simply not necessary or even negative to the overall development of the country. You take the Euro-stock out and it's a highly different place.



As I notice you tend to do frequently, you're attacking a strawman argument because doing so allows you to bang on your drum in a manner that is far more contradictory and argumentative than is otherwise possible.

Nobody here is making the argument you attack. What I said was that economic crises exacerbate existing social tensions. Japan survived their "lost generation" because the society is extremely harmonious to begin with so even making their social problems exponentially worse meant they had a very stable society (emphasis on "exponential" in the mathematical sense).

Fractured societies like Brazil or the US where there's no real solidarity and massive hatred between groups have a disastrous impact. Remember I said "exponential". Things don't just get worse by a set amount.

In a mathematical sense that means that problems that would only get twice as bad in one place can get sixteen times as a bad (arbitrary number) somewhere else.
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I still think Brazil is a bad projection of what future America would look like. The demographics don't work out in the same way and neither do the racial politics.

South Africa is the future of America.

Just straight racial strife, corrupt politics, and crime.

Instead of wild dindus gang raping white farmer daughters to death to steal farm tools it will be cholos strangling old ladies for their purses and doing home invasion road trips way past their barrio.

It will be a pretty lawless and barren place just like most of the blighted urban areas you see now in the U.S...just covering all major cities.

I also wouldn't be entirely surprised if Mexico's gdp went way up after the USA's decline.
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(09-12-2019 08:06 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 07:51 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The idea that debt is more important than demographics - you will see this mainstream narrative in the next decades.

Come back and tell me how the debt-ridden Japanese will be still Japan while the debt-ridden US will look like Brazil. I know which country will be more wortwhile to live in even during a debt-restructuring recession. Those debts can be dealt with, but once your demographics are gone, then there is no USA anymore. The US was created by Christian Anglos with other Europeans who integrated willingly. Anyone else was simply not necessary or even negative to the overall development of the country. You take the Euro-stock out and it's a highly different place.



As I notice you tend to do frequently, you're attacking a strawman argument because doing so allows you to bang on your drum in a manner that is far more contradictory and argumentative than is otherwise possible.

Nobody here is making the argument you attack. What I said was that economic crises exacerbate existing social tensions. Japan survived their "lost generation" because the society is extremely harmonious to begin with so even making their social problems exponentially worse meant they had a very stable society (emphasis on "exponential" in the mathematical sense).

Fractured societies like Brazil or the US where there's no real solidarity and massive hatred between groups have a disastrous impact. Remember I said "exponential". Things don't just get worse by a set amount.

In a mathematical sense that means that problems that would only get twice as bad in one place can get sixteen times as a bad (arbitrary number) somewhere else.

I don't disagree with you there - I referred more to something another guy said who repeated some Republican talking points.

Plus - the demographics in the US will be exacerbated by policies that can only be described as seen in South Africa where White men are barred from any job and positions are given out by skin-color regardless of qualifications.
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