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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
First off, let me state that I don't believe anything that creates an addiction, or withdrawal symptoms, is an optimal strategy. Having said that, this thread is typical of our personalities in the red pill world that can go too far if not considered carefully, tending more towards black/white thinking that can cause people to stray from proper thinking overall.

Let's get this back actually to the science or physiology of/related to caffeine, and remind people of a few things:

1. It is the only "OTC" substance proven to be a ergonomic enhancer, both mental and physical. That is why it is included in every energy drink. If you don't believe this, go ask the military about their people and your conspiracy and get ready for them to laugh at you. Or any manufacturer of those mini bottles with XYZ ... and always of course caffeine within the list. This is known by every researcher in the world, exercise physiology and otherwise.

2. Yes, half life is about 6 hours; it can be used responsibly, of course as it is with humans --- it is used among other things and in combination many times, irresponsibly. It is, for all intents and purposes, safe as far as pharmacology is considered.

There's not really much more than these two things, biologically.

I personally like the taste, I like the motivation it gives me, but I realize that it does diminish your sleep quality, though alcohol crushes your sleep quality in comparison (there is no comparison). I found this when the last few times I abstained for 3-7 days (usually if I get sick), my dreaming is majorly increased, or I remembered all of them. I don't drink coffee after noon, I actually can feel how bad it is for me if I do that. I have zero problems with sleep, if I go to bed when I should, as a result.


Mage, you have good ideas there in your post, but what annoys people when you bring up things like this is that your ideas aren't critically assessed. You point out "Christians" --- and you're right --- but then you also later mention secular people who do the same or worse, which completely nullifies your point. I wonder all the time why being a fatass is acceptable at all regarding standards we hold people to. And I talk about how disgusting of an example a lot of priests or bishops are when they are clearly abusing eating because it is a stealth vice or sin, I do agree there too. But this just shows we all have our weaknesses.

By the way, of teas, black tea has the highest amounts of caffeine (green tea less); I always wonder how so many people spout this but are incorrect. Yerba mate (a leaf) has more than both but even it is nowhere near the brain blast coffee has with its caffeine content.

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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
It's not really a game changer unless you're a long term addict, or you spend lots of money on it, Starbucks. If you have more than a cup a day your basically an addict. I think this stuff about withdrawal is over-blown but I haven't consulted the medical literature.

It's also a buzzkill to give up because a lot of people socialize or work over coffee.

For me, I will have a cup or a red bull mornings when I need an extra boost or to get something big done.

As an above poster said, taking an absolutist stance on it is a bit much; caffeine is a known beneficial stimulant that boosts athletic performance with little to no negative effects.

The most negative thing about it is spending 5-10 bucks a day on it at a cafe rather than cents at home. Quickly a coffee habit becomes more like a pack a day cigarette habit.

And, if you are red-pilled you should NEVER be visiting Starbucks, because your habit then supports ultra-leftism, planned parenthood, trannys, etc.
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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
Any substance that causes a physical dependancy should be avoided en masse. Full stop.

Why does one need caffeine anyway? I feel like some people have been consuming it for so long (I was once one of these people), that they just assume that it's a necessary and permanent fixture in their life. The social acceptance and gatherings over "a cuppa" makes it hard to cut it out as well. It's like alcohol, but even less stigmatized - think "coffee culture."

But really, think about it for a second: Why do you need to drink something in the mornings to "wake up"? Isn't that what... waking up is for? Once you open your eyes in the morning, you should be awake and feel refreshed. If you don't, one or more of the following conditions is very likely true.

1. You don't go to sleep at (approximately) the same time every night, which means your natural circadian rhythm is out of whack.
2. You've been consuming psychoactive substances such as alcohol/caffeine throughout the day, which can really mess up your sleep quality.
3. You're not in peak physical condition (diet, physique), which makes you feel like shit in the mornings, and in general as well.
4. Or you're just not getting enough sleep - most people need 7-9 hrs, but get a bit less every night. Prior to common belief, sleep cannot be "caught up" on.

Due to one or several the aforementioned reasons, most people wake up feeling like their brain is fried to a crisp, and in an effort to relieve themselves of this self-inflected injury, they swamp to the easiest and quickest way out of their mental anguish: a drinkable stimulant. And it causes a negative cycle, with more caffeine consumption leading to poorer sleep, leading to more caffeine consumption... (see point 2). Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.
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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
(09-05-2019 01:37 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  ^Woman I used to work with would drink red bulls non stop .. and.. fall asleep at her desk.

I swore off tea, coffee and soda as a youngster. Fell off the wagon on fizzy drinks recently but.. I don't worry about it too much.

If I drink coffee I can't sleep for 36 hours or so.

I remember the days in college of drinking Red Bulls to get through finishing a paper or studying for a class the next morning. Looking back, the heavy intake of caffeine in my early 20s has had to have some negative internal effect on me. Not in the same way someone who smokes a pack of Marlboro's a day is giving themselves cancer, but something...
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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
(09-08-2019 04:52 AM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Any substance that causes a physical dependancy should be avoided en masse. Full stop.

Why does one need caffeine anyway? I feel like some people have been consuming it for so long (I was once one of these people), that they just assume that it's a necessary and permanent fixture in their life. The social acceptance and gatherings over "a cuppa" makes it hard to cut it out as well. It's like alcohol, but even less stigmatized - think "coffee culture."

But really, think about it for a second: Why do you need to drink something in the mornings to "wake up"? Isn't that what... waking up is for? Once you open your eyes in the morning, you should be awake and feel refreshed. If you don't, one or more of the following conditions is very likely true.

1. You don't go to sleep at (approximately) the same time every night, which means your natural circadian rhythm is out of whack.
2. You've been consuming psychoactive substances such as alcohol/caffeine throughout the day, which can really mess up your sleep quality.
3. You're not in peak physical condition (diet, physique), which makes you feel like shit in the mornings, and in general as well.
4. Or you're just not getting enough sleep - most people need 7-9 hrs, but get a bit less every night. Prior to common belief, sleep cannot be "caught up" on.

Due to one or several the aforementioned reasons, most people wake up feeling like their brain is fried to a crisp, and in an effort to relieve themselves of this self-inflected injury, they swamp to the easiest and quickest way out of their mental anguish: a drinkable stimulant. And it causes a negative cycle, with more caffeine consumption leading to poorer sleep, leading to more caffeine consumption... (see point 2). Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.

There you go, in a nutshell.

Majority of people won't actually stop it though. It's a must for them. Tough habit to break.

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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
I'm on to my third cup as a tidy up a report I started on roughly 7 hours ago. Of course, two of these cups I had yesterday in the afternoon as part of a coffee break. All things considered this is my heaviest caffiene consumption in upwards of 4-6 months. Most days I don't even drink any.

I guess my point is don't use the word addiction heavily unless it is addiction. To add, I did a cross continental trip a few weeks ago, and on the drive, I forget how long it was, but I drove all night basically I had 150mg of caffeine in the form of a monster zero, which i thought would have more like 200 or 300. So I did the whole trip, after a day full of other commitments, on 1 1/2 cups of coffee, and it did basically nothing to help keep me awake, so low was the dose, and how late it was.

If you want to talk about coffee addiction, it would be the guy who has to get a vente coffee first thiing in the morning and then do more coffee throughout the days. What's a vente, like 30+ ounces? Or even the girl who does a grande and one normal coffee during the whole work week, without fail.

IMHO caffeine withdrawal is overstated, I used to drink 2-3 cups a day, filled to the brim, black, for weeks on end, no withdrawal.

Do not forget female status bonus for consuming branded items. In college it is hip for the girls to walk into class late with a cup of freaking starbucks. Tell me how smart that is! Me, knock back black coffee from Casey's or Dunkin in a pinch, this isn't some damn wine tasting, this is speed up my work at this bad sweatshop so I can get home to Ben Shapiro OWNs videos. Coffee is a timewarp to avoid the unsavory parts of the day, not a slow the day down with long gossipy coffee breaks device. Any man knows a proper old school coffee break involves a strong cigarette and a bowel movement afterwards, e cigarettes don't count!... I expect nothing less from you guys.

History lesson, I drank coffee to be edgy because I was a non-drinker non-smoker. It also gave me the perfect excuse to be smug about my old macbook pro covered in nonsense travel and outdoor brand stickers. Just imagine what women use coffee for...
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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
(09-08-2019 04:52 AM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.

I can't really disagree with your post, it seems a little overstated though. I think the key is to focus on this part of your response; if you don't have a positive effect, you've gone too far, I agree.
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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
(09-08-2019 08:04 AM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  I'm on to my third cup as a tidy up a report I started on roughly 7 hours ago. Of course, two of these cups I had yesterday in the afternoon as part of a coffee break. All things considered this is my heaviest caffiene consumption in upwards of 4-6 months. Most days I don't even drink any.

I guess my point is don't use the word addiction heavily unless it is addiction. To add, I did a cross continental trip a few weeks ago, and on the drive, I forget how long it was, but I drove all night basically I had 150mg of caffeine in the form of a monster zero, which i thought would have more like 200 or 300. So I did the whole trip, after a day full of other commitments, on 1 1/2 cups of coffee, and it did basically nothing to help keep me awake, so low was the dose, and how late it was.

If you want to talk about coffee addiction, it would be the guy who has to get a vente coffee first thiing in the morning and then do more coffee throughout the days. What's a vente, like 30+ ounces? Or even the girl who does a grande and one normal coffee during the whole work week, without fail.

IMHO caffeine withdrawal is overstated, I used to drink 2-3 cups a day, filled to the brim, black, for weeks on end, no withdrawal.

Do not forget female status bonus for consuming branded items. In college it is hip for the girls to walk into class late with a cup of freaking starbucks. Tell me how smart that is! Me, knock back black coffee from Casey's or Dunkin in a pinch, this isn't some damn wine tasting, this is speed up my work at this bad sweatshop so I can get home to Ben Shapiro OWNs videos. Coffee is a timewarp to avoid the unsavory parts of the day, not a slow the day down with long gossipy coffee breaks device. Any man knows a proper old school coffee break involves a strong cigarette and a bowel movement afterwards, e cigarettes don't count!... I expect nothing less from you guys.

History lesson, I drank coffee to be edgy because I was a non-drinker non-smoker. It also gave me the perfect excuse to be smug about my old macbook pro covered in nonsense travel and outdoor brand stickers. Just imagine what women use coffee for...

very strange you had no withdrawal.

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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
(09-08-2019 08:48 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 04:52 AM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.

I can't really disagree with your post, it seems a little overstated though. I think the key is to focus on this part of your response; if you don't have a positive effect, you've gone too far, I agree.

Didn't intend to compare caffeine to crack, it's just to say that the instinctual grab for a cup is comparable in unconscious origins.
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I don't drink it because I need it. I drink it because I like it. Every morning I'm at my espresso machine. That said, I'm getting pretty sick of coffee after 3+ months of night shift. I might switch to black/green tea then taper down to decaf for absolutely no reason at all despite whatever benefits I may notice.
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It is different for everone. I drink four cappucinos per day, each containing about 50-80mg of coffeine. I dont have any effect from it and I also dont have any effect if I dont drink them. I just like to drink it.
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RE: Giving up caffeine is a game changer
If you have troubles to give up, here is one coffee replacement that I found to be great:

https://www.avogel.de/ernaehrung_gesundh.../bambu.php

It has a taste quite close to real thing and also very nice "creamy" foam on the top. Good replacement for cappuccinos.

Still, when in Italy (or Moscow) I always have one morning cappuccino in some local place (not starbucks), this is more of a ritual then for the caffeine kick.
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I have done > month of no coffee and I have not realized significant changes to my body, hence I started drinking again. Having said, I will try to quit coffee again, maybe not strictly but I will try to drink much less.

And yes tea also has caffeine, I am substituting coffee with tea, so I am also getting my share of caffeine elsewhere.
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Espresso is a replacement for drip coffee, less caffeine usually. More and more I drink black tea like I'm some sort of tea-swilling Russian mob guy in Brighton Beach. Still get some caffeine just not as much. One of these days i'll get a samovar.
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I've never drank coffee in my life, and never really had caffeine.

My solution is to go to sleep when I'm tired. If I don't sleep well, then the morning will suck. However, the day really isn't that awful.
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I do notice myself drinking stronger coffee more often (even Charbucks) when nothing else is available to get the same kind of well, rush. Brain fog is probably real though - can't concentrate for squat if I have too much. I've been able to dial down the alcohol consumption pretty easily; not sure how it will go with coffee, but worth a try - especially if it improves sleep.

Iced coffee wouldn't make much difference in terms of toxins, I don't think. Stuff still has to be brewed before it is chilled, no? And some teas are nearly as strong as a mild cup of coffee. Monster and Red bull are loaded with other crap besides caffeine, be careful. We used to suck a red bull or two down in the AM before hitting the road in Iraq with loaded weapons & frags. Ah, the memories...

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It should certainly be something everyone has under control, and far too many people abuse caffeine. I have given up before - mainly from the position of a chronic tea drinker (10+ cups of tea a day), and it did give me headaches etc.

That said, in moderation, it is such a pleasure that I feel if you enjoy it, you should find room for it.

For me personally, it is a ritual pleasure - making my morning coffee after a good breakfast, early in the morning, in an Italian Moka. Pouring it into the finest, whitest bone china, and sipping 2 cups from a rim so thin it is barely even there as I read the news - to me it is heaven, and I look forward to that moment each morning as one of the little marks of a life under control and inexorably headed in the right direction.
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(09-11-2019 04:59 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  It should certainly be something everyone has under control, and far too many people abuse caffeine. I have given up before - mainly from the position of a chronic tea drinker (10+ cups of tea a day), and it did give me headaches etc.

That said, in moderation, it is such a pleasure that I feel if you enjoy it, you should find room for it.

For me personally, it is a ritual pleasure - making my morning coffee after a good breakfast, early in the morning, in an Italian Moka. Pouring it into the finest, whitest bone china, and sipping 2 cups from a rim so thin it is barely even there as I read the news - to me it is heaven, and I look forward to that moment each morning as one of the little marks of a life under control and inexorably headed in the right direction.

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I’m on the fence about this topic.

I’ve been drinking coffee since I was about 5 years old. Yeah you read that right, my mom used to mix it with my milk because I didn’t like eating many things.

I’m almost 30 years old and still drink it frequently. Do I need coffee to function or wake up in the mornings? Not at all. I’ve actually quit drinking coffee multiple times for months on end without any withdrawals. The only time I had any type of withdrawal (mainly a headache) the second or third day, was when I was consuming excessive amounts.

I now drink just a cup a day, which, is more milk than coffee and I do so for the same reason I’ve always done, because I enjoy the taste. However, there are in my opinion absolutely no positive things about coffee besides keeping you slightly awake.

It’s easy to see how people become caffeine addicted, since half the time their diet/sleep is shit and they live high stress lives. I have sorted all those issues out myself.

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Well I've quit coffee for over a week now and although it hasn't been my best week, the overall improvement in my health is honestly noticeable.

To everyone who I've been unduly rude to during this transition I apologize.

To everyone who I've been duly rude to during this transition, well you apparently deserved it anyway so suck eggs.

Cheers!

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