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The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) published a big document called The Basis Of The Social Concept in which many topics are discussed, including the existence of distinct ethnic groups that have a right to exist and basically maintain their sense of sovereignty so long as they don’t impose their own cultural beliefs and particularities onto the rest of the Church. In my experience, ROCOR priests are usually the most red-pilled on topics like this but even then there is a hypocrisy displayed by some in regards to treating Europeans differently from every other group (as in, everyone else has a right to defend themselves except for that group).

Ultimately, as mentioned above, our salvation does not depend in any way on the cultural opinions of priests, monks, bishops, or even Patriarchs. Our salvation depends on Christ and our conforming to His will.

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Thought I'd share that I went to confession today for the first time in three years and was able to receive the Eucharist at vigil mass.

I started going back to mass after attending Roosh's tour and I'm so glad that I did.
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(09-14-2019 05:51 PM)bucky Wrote:  This might be a topic for another thread, but how do those of you who are American nationalists and Catholic square your beliefs with the current state of your church in the US? I'm referring specifically to how the RCC pushes for open borders and mass immigration from Latin America and the rest of the third world. I attend mass with my Latina devout Catholic wife and even when it's the rare English mass (there are more in Spanish in our area now) no more than about 20% of those in attendance were born in the US. Last Memorial Day we sang "America the Beautiful" as the last hymn. The Asian couple behind us laughed audibly and stood up and left, as did most of the congregation who, again, were mostly foreigners.

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Mage and others are as confused as I used to be.

Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.

They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.

I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.

No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.

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(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Mage and others are as confused as I used to be.

Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.

They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.

I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.

No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.

But do the Catholics really "lead the way in morality...in the West" anymore? I'll grant you that you can't complain about their official stance on abortion and gay/transexuality acceptance, although even then the RCC in the US doesn't seem to speak up much against the latter. There was a golden opportunity just recently when the state of Illinois made teaching schoolkids about great LGBT Americans before high school age a requirement by law. Crickets from the Catholics, as far as I know.

I don't expect a church to protect the US southern border, especially not a church that seems increasingly foreign and un-American to me the more I get to know it. What's a problem is when that church actively works to undermine my country and aide in its transformation into the horror show I witnessed when living in Central America. I can't see how the RCC can somehow be leading the West in morality while at the same time actively working to destroy the West.

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(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Mage and others are as confused as I used to be.

Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.

They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.

Nobody is saying that Catholic priests need to be protecting countries from immigration with machine guns, but they have to testify truth in all matters, even ones not concerning their Church. And when immigration is allowed on the levels of gradual occupation ,they should be able to call it that. If you claim to represent the Truth then you should say the truth in all matters.

The priests of Latin America should have the integrity to preach to their congregations, not to covet US riches, to work hard on their own land, to defeat their drug trafficking and Santa Muerte worshiping problems and to build a prosperous nation rivaling that of USA with their own work, prayer and ethics.

(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.

Keep on projecting Leonard.
True yoga is very demanding. It's a pity you have the idea that yoga is what tatooed thots do at fitness centers. I will not go off topic to debunk it in this thread. If you had integrity to research contrary opinion you would understand that a true yoga practitioner would be obliged to do observe all the same moral acts as prescribed in ten commandments and more. No lying, stealing, murdering, abortion, adultery e.t.c. Adding to that goes non-agressive vegetarianism and bodily training and ascetics, much more fasting then standard Christian. Also added in comes respect for Nature, Earth and not polluting. The one thing yogis are not supposed to do is sing songs to some Savior and expect him to do all the heavy work of saving your ass from consequences of your bad deeds in your place. Although there are Yoga based sects that do that too, but I do not recommend that.

(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.

Duh. That is because Catholics and Orthodox have the largest numbers. No other spiritual group has the numbers to offer organized resistance to the secularist imposed degeneracy.
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"True yoga is very demanding".

Well that just nails the entire point, doesn't it? True Christianity is very demanding (until it becomes reflexive I'm told). Going to gay-flag church and listening to the Beto clone talk about inclusiveness is the equivalent of thot yoga, and persevering to fulfill Orthodox requirements is the equivalent of your level 10 yoga. Frankly even if you're convinced that your level of spiritual ascendancy can no longer be contained by ancient Christian standards then you would surely be aware that 99% of the population are entirely unsuited to go down that path and in fact them attempting to do so has landed us precisely where we are today.

I can't speak to your national situation because you haven't listed a location, suffice to say if the Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox didn't exist then neither would the entire civilization we've come to benefit from. It's frankly ridiculous to suggest that our pagan ancestors were on the verge of launching into advanced literacy, numeracy and science and that Christianity has simply held them back from blasting longboats deep into the galaxy to raid alien villages.

Regardless of what your personal situation is, the Catholic church has advanced the people of the West and though it is suffering currently from degradation it has suffered similarly in the past and come back strong then as well. It would be the greatest victory for the forces of darkness were they able to bring down such an ancient Christian edifice which is precisely why they drive infantile egotistians to chip away at it relentlessly. In 100 years you opinions will be dust, the opinions of every spiritual anarchist will be dust, and so will this forum, but God willing the Church will remain.

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(09-15-2019 03:17 AM)Mage Wrote:  The priests of Latin America should have the integrity to preach to their congregations, not to covet US riches, to work hard on their own land, to defeat their drug trafficking and Santa Muerte worshiping problems and to build a prosperous nation rivaling that of USA with their own work, prayer and ethics.

To be fair, this was a favorite topic of the parish priest at the church my wife and I attended when we lived in her country. He'd point out that although Americans and Europeans might have more stuff, they're not necessarily happier, they're more susceptible to degeneracy, you shouldn't daydream about everything becoming better if you can just get to the first world, etc.

This was the same priest who advised her before we got married that, because we'd probably eventually move back to the US, she needed to remember that feminism is the work of Satan and not a good basis for family life.

I never heard any of the other priests down there preach about "riforma migratoria" and how racist the "guerritos" in the US are. That mainly seems like a US Catholic thing, as far as I can tell.

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(09-15-2019 03:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Laugh4

"True yoga is very demanding".

Well that just nails the entire point, doesn't it? True Christianity is very demanding (until it becomes reflexive I'm told). Going to gay-flag church and listening to the Beto clone talk about inclusiveness is the equivalent of thot yoga, and persevering to fulfill Orthodox requirements is the equivalent of your level 10 yoga. Frankly even if you're convinced that your level of spiritual ascendancy can no longer be contained by ancient Christian standards then you would surely be aware that 99% of the population are entirely unsuited to go down that path and in fact them attempting to do so has landed us precisely where we are today.
Well there you go admitting that Religion is a tool of social engineering for you. Yes Christianity is easier for masses to accept than individual spiritual practice that requires high level of consciousness and self-control. Doesn't mean that the easiest path is the true one.


(09-15-2019 03:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I can't speak to your national situation because you haven't listed a location, suffice to say if the Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox didn't exist then neither would the entire civilization we've come to benefit from. It's frankly ridiculous to suggest that our pagan ancestors were on the verge of launching into advanced literacy, numeracy and science and that Christianity has simply held them back from blasting longboats deep into the galaxy to raid alien villages.

Regardless of what your personal situation is, the Catholic church has advanced the people of the West and though it is suffering currently from degradation it has suffered similarly in the past and come back strong then as well. It would be the greatest victory for the forces of darkness were they able to bring down such an ancient Christian edifice which is precisely why they drive infantile egotistians to chip away at it relentlessly. In 100 years you opinions will be dust, the opinions of every spiritual anarchist will be dust, and so will this forum, but God willing the Church will remain.

You are entering the realm of fantasy football speculation here. What would have been if history went otherwise and what will be in future. Your emotional speculations are non provable and non-disprovable.
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Seems like there's a semantic problem here.

In practice, there's a difference between the Catholic Faith and the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is ultimately a worldly institution, it is of the world.

Its moral authority is no better and no worse than that of the people running it.

If good, honest and God-fearing Catholic Christians want the Church to be more good, honest and God-fearing than it is right now, well, then they need to get involved and take action.

The Church as it is right now has been infiltrated and partly subverted by people who are not good, honest and God-fearing. How could this happen?
Well, because the enemy at least cared enough to get involved and take action, while many others who could have easily opposed them chose not to, for whatever reason.
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How do you figure they could have easily determined which priests were part of the gay mafia while they were being ordained over the last 30 years?

The whole point of infiltration is that the people you're slipping by don't know what your real motives are until it's too late.

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The Catholic Church could have easily saved itself - rather gone back to the core teachings, started to preach traditional values and the virtues of the family as well as patriarchy.

And they should have gone forward by a simple homo-eliminating tool - strongly preferring married men to become priests. This was true in the Catholic Church up until the 1400s and even then - up until recently it was understood that the village priest had his female caretaker "single mother" as his wife. The church bakc in the day stopped the practice only due to money and inheritance concerns.

By now the insanity in the left would have given them an increasing popularity on top of the married priests and the sheer increase of men willing to become priests.

Also interesting to find out that the overwhelming of those "pedophilia" cases were just gay boys starting affairs with gay priests. Makes far more sense - not that the media would like to report that. Even Milo reported on this and he certainly wasn't the only one with his priest. Since getting married would be the norm, then never married priests would be looked upon with suspicion.

But I am afraid that the Catholic church slept through all of it, also being too blind to be aware of the infiltration by the globo-homos. Now it's even too late - the current pope is ushering in a bunch of progressive cardinals so that no conservative real reformer will ever be voted in.
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I believe we are entering into a period where there will be a serious shake-up of the old order. I don't think that anything can be taken for granted as being on lockdown for this group or that. I agree that if things were to continue as they are today then, yes, there would be no reform. But my sense is that God's hand is poised to flip the table and reinforce natural law on the wicked and the immoral. Perhaps not in the way we expect and anticipate, but the foundations of the globohomo are rotting away rapidly.

God moves in mysterious ways and ultimately it is His Church. He will discipline it in His time.

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(09-15-2019 08:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I believe we are entering into a period where there will be a serious shake-up of the old order. I don't think that anything can be taken for granted as being on lockdown for this group or that. I agree that if things were to continue as they are today then, yes, there would be no reform. But my sense is that God's hand is poised to flip the table and reinforce natural law on the wicked and the immoral. Perhaps not in the way we expect and anticipate, but the foundations of the globohomo are rotting away rapidly.

God moves in mysterious ways and ultimately it is His Church. He will discipline it in His time.

Hope you're right in the first paragraph there. Before I met my wife I was very down on the RCC. Then I started attending mass with her in her country, met a lot of good people and priests, and ultimately got a great wife who was a virgin when I met her, so my opinion of the church got a lot better. Now that I've seen the state of the church in the US, my opinion is somewhat has taken a nosedive again, although I try to remind myself of the good I saw in Central America.

As to the RCC being "God's church" I've lately begun to suspect that the Orthodox have it right, in the sense that different religions are right for different ethnicities. That is the RCC for southern Europeans, Irishmen, and Latin Americans, the various Orthodox churches for their respective nationalities (Russian, Greek, Egyptian, etc), Protestantism for northern Europeans, Islam for Arabs, Turks, and Persians, and so on.

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(09-14-2019 05:51 PM)bucky Wrote:  This might be a topic for another thread, but how do those of you who are American nationalists and Catholic square your beliefs with the current state of your church in the US? I'm referring specifically to how the RCC pushes for open borders and mass immigration from Latin America and the rest of the third world. I attend mass with my Latina devout Catholic wife and even when it's the rare English mass (there are more in Spanish in our area now) no more than about 20% of those in attendance were born in the US. Last Memorial Day we sang "America the Beautiful" as the last hymn. The Asian couple behind us laughed audibly and stood up and left, as did most of the congregation who, again, were mostly foreigners.

At my wife's community celebrations of the Eucharist they go through the motions of having it mostly in English, but we could just switch into Spanish and almost everyone would be more comfortable. I imagine we will eventually switch into Spanish with interpreters for the few, aging heritage Americans who still show up. We get Mexican priests preaching about the need for "immigration reform" and I don't think they're talking about Trump's wall. On a larger scale, there are the current pope's statement about not building walls.

Is any of this a concern to those of you who are Catholic and dissident right and against mass immigration into the US?

I find Catholic churches tend to vary wildly in terms of congregation makeup. Even in places like the northeast and Midwest that traditionally are heavily Catholic there tend to be Irish churches, Italian churches, Polish churches, etc although it isn't as formally delineated as it is in the Orthodox church. Went to Mass this morning, second time we went to this church we found in our city, and it was about 90% white (mainly visibly Irish) with a scattering of black and Hispanic (and most of the latter were speaking English among themselves). We had gone to another Catholic church in our city and even the English language mass was 90+% Hispanic and African. When we went to the Spanish Mass at that church (I'm also engaged to a Latina) I was the only white guy there. Haven't been to the Spanish mass at the new church yet. But, the new one is in an upper-middle class, heavily white neighborhood and the other one is in an area with a huge immigrant community. So I think that's the main difference.

I'm torn on the refugee thing in the church. I do think church leaders in the west need to be more cognizant of the left's goals and realize that initiatives that may be in line with the church's mission could end up hurting it. That said, the church and its leaders have a responsibility to the faith before the country, so while I am an American nationalist I don't expect the Church to put that as its highest priority, although I think the best interests of the Church and the country are aligned far more often than not.

I also draw a huge distinction between helping immigrants who are already here and actively pushing to bring more over, which I don't see most Catholic leaders in the US doing (there are exceptions). The more pozzed Protestant churches are the worst offenders in that regard.

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I think we need to distinguish two things:

a) Is Catholic Church (or orthodox or protestant) teaching the Truth in highest instance? - No!

b) Is Catholic (or orthodox, but not most protestant) Church good for your marriage and morals of society, or at least better then 99.9% of everything else you can hope to find in modern world? - Yes!

Now it's up for each man on his own how to combine tolerating a few lies to make almost the best traditional and Natural Law abiding life possible in modern times.

By all means lie to your priest and the good Catholic girls that you are a firm believer to all that mythology in order to build that traditional family and to be accepted in that Church. But if you come to this anonymous forum still claiming that you take all that historically debunked Catholic dogma fully serious then you deserve to be made fun of. If you cannot be honest here and talk about both pros and cons freely then where else can you do that?
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Honestly, I might come across as Jordan Peterson-esque, but consider the following:

Is it only the Church and society at large that are sick? Or is it entire masses of individuals that are diseased as well? Does the former happen due to the decline of the latter ONLY?

I see great wisdom in most Catholic teachings, was brought up Catholic though in more of a nominal way in Portugal. Had an atheist phase and laterally have been pondering more about this issue.

However... Despite all that... Have I practiced masturbation, viewed pornography and had casual sex? Yes on all counts! I am reducing masturbation and want to completely eliminate porn (so far so good), but what about casual sex? If a hot girl is willing, would I rebuke her? HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Is this behaviour "evil" per se? I wouldn't say so. Is it against Catholic doctrine and somewhat degenerate? Absolutely.

The point here is not speaking from a position of supremacy. Depending on our beliefs, we often adjust them as we see fit in order not to feel inadequate with our actions. But deep down we know this is a sham. Christianity when approached seriously is NOT easy. It should NOT be easy.

Christ came to Earth to make us new Men, not good or nice people. I am generally a good person, kind and respectful and caring. Am I a "new Man", worthy of the mantle espoused by Christ? I am not. May I ever be? Perhaps.

And then, there is the "Is vs Ought", let us imagine someone with good advice for current times for young men, Coach Red Pill per example. Is most of his advice sound and resonates within many in a good way? Absolutely. Is it in line with the Church and the moral law of the Bible in most cases? Ha. Fat chance.

What shall we compromise on? Follow the advice of our times or lead a pious life in hopes of an afterlife?

Safe to say, I am confused about the state of the world and the signs of our times. And I have more questions than answers, but one thing I know.

How can I holler at the degradation of religious institutions when I myself cannot keep myself from not commiting acts that I KNOW to be in the wrong within my supposed faith?

I can't. Not in good faith.

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Everyone gets to choose their level of participation in the Church and the support they offer it. They get to choose their parish to the extent they're willing to travel at any rate. They get to choose whether they allow their children to be in the company of a priest unaccompanied or whether they give money for the church or the priest during mass. You're not obligated to report to your nearest church, pay fifty bucks at the ticket booth and surrender your sons to father Gaylisp every Sunday.

You may feel disinclined to judge the wicked among the Church but perhaps you can think of being picky about who in particular you support and where you support them as "rewarding good" rather than "punishing evil".

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Modernism is the enemy of the Catholic Church today, and all the world. Modernism has infiltrated the Catholic Church and society at large. It is not a coincidence that it was removed at the time of Vatican 2. I read that it was a HUGE thing for Pope Pius X to implement this Oath at the time, and an equally large move to remove it.

Pope Pius X described Modernism as the synthesis of all heresy. The Oath against modernism was instituted on 1 September 1910 by Pope Pius X in his motu proprio Sacrorum antistitum and rescinded on 17 July 1967 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith with the approval of Paul VI

Quote:THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM
To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries.

I . . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the Church, especially those principal truths which are directly opposed to the errors of this day. And first of all, I profess that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world (see Rom. 1:19), that is, from the visible works of creation, as a cause from its effects, and that, therefore, his existence can also be demonstrated:

Secondly, I accept and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts and especially miracles and prophecies as the surest signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this time.

Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by the real and historical Christ when he lived among us, and that the Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and his successors for the duration of time.

Fourthly, I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously. I also condemn every error according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop indefinitely.

Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source. By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our creator and lord.
Furthermore, with due reverence, I submit and adhere with my whole heart to the condemnations, declarations, and all the prescripts contained in the encyclical Pascendi and in the decree Lamentabili,especially those concerning what is known as the history of dogmas.

I also reject the error of those who say that the faith held by the Church can contradict history, and that Catholic dogmas, in the sense in which they are now understood, are irreconcilable with a more realistic view of the origins of the Christian religion. I also condemn and reject the opinion of those who say that a well-educated Christian assumes a dual personality-that of a believer and at the same time of a historian, as if it were permissible for a historian to hold things that contradict the faith of the believer, or to establish premises which, provided there be no direct denial of dogmas, would lead to the conclusion that dogmas are either false or doubtful. Likewise, I reject that method of judging and interpreting Sacred Scripture which, departing from the tradition of the Church, the analogy of faith, and the norms of the Apostolic See, embraces the misrepresentations of the rationalists and with no prudence or restraint adopts textual criticism as the one and supreme norm.

Furthermore, I reject the opinion of those who hold that a professor lecturing or writing on a historico-theological subject should first put aside any preconceived opinion about the supernatural origin of Catholic tradition or about the divine promise of help to preserve all revealed truth forever; and that they should then interpret the writings of each of the Fathers solely by scientific principles, excluding all sacred authority, and with the same liberty of judgment that is common in the investigation of all ordinary historical documents.

Finally, I declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition; or what is far worse, say that there is, but in a pantheistic sense, with the result that there would remain nothing but this plain simple fact-one to be put on a par with the ordinary facts of history-the fact, namely, that a group of men by their own labor, skill, and talent have continued through subsequent ages a school begun by Christ and his apostles. I firmly hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in the succession of the episcopacy from the apostles. The purpose of this is, then, not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems better and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different, may never be understood in any other way.

I promise that I shall keep all these articles faithfully, entirely, and sincerely, and guard them inviolate, in no way deviating from them in teaching or in any way in word or in writing. Thus I promise, this I swear, so help me God. . .

For more information on the modernists, and Pope Pius Xs' insights into their evil see details below:
On the Doctrine of the Modernists - 1907

“Where the danger is, so grows the saving element.” ~ German poet Hoelderlin
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RE: The Catholic Church thread
(09-14-2019 06:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  I was raised as a Catholic from birth and have participated in many Catholic activities, and organizations.

Not a Catholic by faith anymore, but I still have many Catholic people in my life and participate in some events.

I know the practical life of Catholicism inside and out.

1. Attend mass every Sunday AND on days of obligation.
2. Confession once a year
3. Receive communion once during Easter
4. Observe days of fasting
5. Support material needs of the church according to your ability


This is not accurate.

A Catholic is asked to make Confession and receive communion at least twice per year - around Christmas and Easter, that is. But this is the very low bar.

A real Catholic who takes his faith seriously will make confession monthly and receive communion every Sunday at mass,...
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You should be careful correcting a priest on Doctrine.

You are confusing a 'practicing' Catholic with a 'Devout' Catholic. These are the minimum requirements.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, each faithful of right discerning age is “bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year.” (CCC 1457).

Also note: no one can take communion if they have committed a mortal Sin with confession since the previous Easter. Similar to confession, it is not required to receive communion at mass each time.

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RE: The Catholic Church thread
(09-15-2019 03:17 AM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Mage and others are as confused as I used to be.

Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.

They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.

Nobody is saying that Catholic priests need to be protecting countries from immigration with machine guns, but they have to testify truth in all matters, even ones not concerning their Church. And when immigration is allowed on the levels of gradual occupation ,they should be able to call it that. If you claim to represent the Truth then you should say the truth in all matters.

The priests of Latin America should have the integrity to preach to their congregations, not to covet US riches, to work hard on their own land, to defeat their drug trafficking and Santa Muerte worshiping problems and to build a prosperous nation rivaling that of USA with their own work, prayer and ethics.

(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.

Keep on projecting Leonard.
True yoga is very demanding. It's a pity you have the idea that yoga is what tatooed thots do at fitness centers. I will not go off topic to debunk it in this thread. If you had integrity to research contrary opinion you would understand that a true yoga practitioner would be obliged to do observe all the same moral acts as prescribed in ten commandments and more. No lying, stealing, murdering, abortion, adultery e.t.c. Adding to that goes non-agressive vegetarianism and bodily training and ascetics, much more fasting then standard Christian. Also added in comes respect for Nature, Earth and not polluting. The one thing yogis are not supposed to do is sing songs to some Savior and expect him to do all the heavy work of saving your ass from consequences of your bad deeds in your place. Although there are Yoga based sects that do that too, but I do not recommend that.

(09-14-2019 10:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.

Duh. That is because Catholics and Orthodox have the largest numbers. No other spiritual group has the numbers to offer organized resistance to the secularist imposed degeneracy.


Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.

Being true to your avatar means deceiving your audience to achieve power and control. Pure satanism, and the worst, most evil form of spirituality.

Here is the truth about yoga from the horse's mouth:

Quote:Yoga means “union” and its origins are Satanic. The spiritual cannot exist without the physical and visa versa. What the enemy is teaching is not true yoga. Without desire and will, one is nothing. Yoga is a threat to the enemy as it endows practitioners with spiritual and physical power. Because it cannot be completely suppressed, the enemy works to control it with false teachings for those who practice, and for those who don’t, there are powerful subliminal messages to frighten the ignorant away.

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire...False.html

This satanist website's position on yoga is exactly the same as Mage: yoga is great, but it's being misused and its popular form is diluted...


Yoga is one of the main trojan horses to pollute the West with new age luciferian doctrines, offering spiritual "enlightment" wrapped in a shiny package to fill the spiritual void in the West, along with drugs and mass media cultural programming.

https://www.naturalnews.com/049612_Vatic...otter.html

Quote:At its roots, yoga is said to have originated from the ancient worship of Hindu gods, with the various poses representing unique forms of paying homage to these entities. From this, other religions such as Catholicism and Christianity have concluded that the practice is out of sync with their own, and that it may result in demonic spirits entering a person's body.

Others contend that yoga practice is really more focused on advanced stretching moves and physical exercise, and that it can bring about healing and improved well-being such as improved core strength, better circulation and reduced stress. The intent of the person doing yoga, rather than yoga itself, in other words, is what defines the extent of how the practice influences a person's being and soul.

But Father Truqui sees yoga as being satanic, claiming that "it leads to evil just like reading Harry Potter." And in order to deal with the consequences of this, his religion has had to bring on an additional six exorcists, bringing the total number to 12, just to deal with what he says is a 100% rise in the number of requests for exorcisms over the past 15 years.

"The ministry of performing exorcism is little known among priests," stated Father Truqui to The Independent. "It's like training to be a journalist without knowing how to do an interview."

At the same time, Father Amorth admits that the Roman Catholic Church's notoriety for all kinds of perverted sex scandals is also indicative of demonic activity -- he stated that it represents proof that "the devil is at work inside the Vatican."

"There's homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, IVF [in vitro fertilization] and a host of other things," added Monsignor Luigi Negri, the archbishop of Ferrara-Comacchio, about what he says is evidence of the existential evil in society. "There's the clamorous appearance of the negation of man as defined by the Bible."

Very good, intelligent and detailed testimnoy by a former yoga adept from Scotland, long but worth a read, here is the intro:

Quote:It is the purpose of this short testimony to show that yoga is a spiritual deception.

If you think that you can use yoga only for physical training and not be affected by its spiritual side, you are wrong. You are wrong if you believe the many websites and teachers in the West who declare that yoga is just a harmless physical exercise.

The Bible warns of such spiritual seduction: “"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"” (1 TIMOTHY 4:1).

Speaking from my own experience, I am convinced that yoga is one of the seducing doctrines God expressly warns about in the above scripture.

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https://www.cai.org/testimonies/spiritua...ption-yoga

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(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  The Catholic Church is the most powerful, most insidious conspiracy in the modern world today.

The Catholic Church has existed for 2000 years so I am missing the 'modern conspiracy'.

(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  At one point [[[they]]] controlled all of Europe with corruption and greed unparalleled in history. [[[They]]] have their tentacles everywhere.

The good old days. I'm not sure how this is corruption though. Babies being baptized, families going to Church, Beautiful architecture, rejection of usurious loans, faith in God.

(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Priest abuse of children is just one tiny hint of what's really going on. They used to be more conservative and now just being shown as part of the globohomo communist agenda.

- The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clearly anti communist. Fatima is an approved apparition from 1917 which specifically warns of communist threat.
- Prots love capitalism, loans, and usury. America is Rich because its a nice piece of real estate. Wealth doesn't indicate Godliness, you've got too much Judeo in your Christian.
- Priest abuse is real, but has been overblown by the (((Media)))
- Catholics never used to be conservatives, Conservatives used to be Catholic. Conservatives are scared to have kids and use contraception because of their budget, Catholicism prohibits contraception.


(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  My ancestors, the English and Scandinavians, were the first to throw off the yolk of Cathlocism and point out it's descent into sin. Here in the USA Cathlocism has always been frowned upon by the Prostestant majority. Many nations, like Australia and Bolivia, are still trapped in bondage.

US Prots frown on Catholicsm, oh my, I didn't know we were so bad!


(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Most Catholics nonetheless are great people who love God.
Maybe you are Donn Lemon from CNN. Read St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae then call Catholicism cute.

Nah, do the Joel Osteen prayer and get saved right there on your couch at home. Who needs a day of obligation.

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People should go slander the Catholic Church on the protestant thread. Funny thing is, if there was one, Catholics wouldn't bother even going there, but you guys would keep lingering on here. Everybody wants to come home to the True Church.

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(09-16-2019 07:47 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  The Catholic Church is the most powerful, most insidious conspiracy in the modern world today.

The Catholic Church has existed for 2000 years so I am missing the 'modern conspiracy'.

(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  At one point [[[they]]] controlled all of Europe with corruption and greed unparalleled in history. [[[They]]] have their tentacles everywhere.

The good old days. I'm not sure how this is corruption though. Babies being baptized, families going to Church, Beautiful architecture, rejection of usurious loans, faith in God.

(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Priest abuse of children is just one tiny hint of what's really going on. They used to be more conservative and now just being shown as part of the globohomo communist agenda.

- The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clearly anti communist. Fatima is an approved apparition from 1917 which specifically warns of communist threat.
- Prots love capitalism, loans, and usury. America is Rich because its a nice piece of real estate. Wealth doesn't indicate Godliness, you've got too much Judeo in your Christian.
- Priest abuse is real, but has been overblown by the (((Media)))
- Catholics never used to be conservatives, Conservatives used to be Catholic. Conservatives are scared to have kids and use contraception because of their budget, Catholicism prohibits contraception.


(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  My ancestors, the English and Scandinavians, were the first to throw off the yolk of Cathlocism and point out it's descent into sin. Here in the USA Cathlocism has always been frowned upon by the Prostestant majority. Many nations, like Australia and Bolivia, are still trapped in bondage.

US Prots frown on Catholicsm, oh my, I didn't know we were so bad!


(09-14-2019 02:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Most Catholics nonetheless are great people who love God.
Maybe you are Donn Lemon from CNN. Read St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae then call Catholicism cute.

Nah, do the Joel Osteen prayer and get saved right there on your couch at home. Who needs a day of obligation.

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Solid work +1

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Mr Lemon fell in love with what he perceives to be Jewish supremacism as it related to the modern American culture of worshiping "rich winners". As such he claims to have undertaken passage into becoming a Jew. The jury is still out on whether his slavish love of Jews is just boomer indoctrination or that he's always been Jewish and was afraid of simply coming out with it (as if we're all sitting around with a box of yellow stars waiting to sew them on peoples avatars).

In any case Mr Lemon is about as spiritually centered as a shopworn hundred dollar note. Granted I personally appreciate NoMoreTo setting the record straight for the onlookers but he needn't bother thinking it will stick with Lemon himself. He rates your spiritual success by how many zeroes you have in front of the decimal point on your bank statement.

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