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(09-16-2019 11:59 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 06:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  I was raised as a Catholic from birth and have participated in many Catholic activities, and organizations.

Not a Catholic by faith anymore, but I still have many Catholic people in my life and participate in some events.

I know the practical life of Catholicism inside and out.

1. Attend mass every Sunday AND on days of obligation.
2. Confession once a year
3. Receive communion once during Easter
4. Observe days of fasting
5. Support material needs of the church according to your ability

(09-14-2019 06:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  This is not accurate.

A Catholic is asked to make Confession and receive communion at least twice per year - around Christmas and Easter, that is. But this is the very low bar.

A real Catholic who takes his faith seriously will make confession monthly and receive communion every Sunday at mass,...

You should be careful correcting a priest on Doctrine.

You are confusing a 'practicing' Catholic with a 'Devout' Catholic. These are the minimum requirements.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, each faithful of right discerning age is “bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year.” (CCC 1457).

Also note: no one can take communion if they have committed a mortal Sin with confession since the previous Easter. Similar to confession, it is not required to receive communion at mass each time.


You see while in theory there is a difference between a "practicing" Catholic and a "devout" Catholic, in practice you are either devout and practicing or you are only nominal and not practicing.

This priest is speaking theory, I have lived Catholic life and I know how it stands with practical non- clergy Catholics.

If you want to make sure the person is a real Catholic who will stand by his faith, like when looking for Catholic wife or other reason then look for person who goes to confession every four weeks, or more often if happens to fall under heavy sin, and therefore is almost always in state of grace to receive communion, which she does every Sunday or even more often.

Everyone who goes to receive a communion once a year is either living too away from civilization to do it more often or is just larping as a Catholic and should decide to become properly devout or stop being Catholic. It's not a good place to be stuck in for a long time.

Also there is difference between west and east on how often you should go to confession at minimum. At west you have this new generation of priests teaching once per year is enough. In Eastern Europe priests are still teaching the old message that twice per year on Easter and Christmas time is minimum.

Also please use quotation brackets properly next time.
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(09-16-2019 02:39 PM)911 Wrote:  Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

Ultimately everything is Satanic but whatever denomination of Christianity you believe is true.

Satan hides everywhere, in a can of beer, in a can of Cola, in a secular song, in a holiday without going to Church, in a fun without guilt, in a savage without forceful conversion, in a child without installed fear, in an art piece without a religious motive, in a primordial land not raped by a man, in everything new, in everything not approved by your pastor, in everything that makes you laugh, in everything you have not payed taxes and tithes about, in everything funny, in everything different, in everything strange, in everything sexy, in everything weird, in everything non-European, in everything empowering, in everything smart, in everything spicy, in everything red, in everything black, in everyone who holds one hand higher then other, in every number 6, in every Friday, in every Saturday, in every Monday, on everything left, in every goat, in every star, in everything older then first gospel, in everything newer then dogmas of church fathers, in everything. He is the Lord of this World.

Go and sit in your Church praying and pouring ashes on your head daily for 16 hours and sleep the rest 8. That is the only way you are going to escape the Great Satan that is everywhere, while your puny god is only in your Church.



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There are many things to criticize about the Catholic Church, and especially nowadays (but which institution in the West is imune?). Coming from a Catholic country, I too was devoured for a time with the prejudice against the Roman Church - and while now I realize its faults, I think it's much more important to keep and resurrect the good it has done. What stands to be lost with our doing away with it is much bigger than what stands to be gained.

So I'd rather focus on those 2000 years of amazing spiritual and intellectual tradition. One example I found recently is Bishop Fulton Sheen, a truly eloquent and deep speaker. The video below is from a television show he used to do in the 50s. It's clear from his topics, the examples he chooses, that society was already lost the same way it is today, it was only in the first step of the ladder - but the foot was already firmly on it, destroying completely the myth of the 'holy and orderly 50s'. It was a lie sold by cinema. It didn't exist.

This video in particular is so important in our days as it speaks against pride - and perhaps even more important for us, lest we forget among the decay around us, that we shouldn't ever consider ourselves above reproach for simply recognizing the evil around, as that may derail our work and dedication in purging it from our own hearts.




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(09-17-2019 09:04 AM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-16-2019 02:39 PM)911 Wrote:  Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

Ultimately everything is Satanic but whatever denomination of Christianity you believe is true.

Satan hides everywhere, in a can of beer, in a can of Cola, in a secular song, in a holiday without going to Church, in a fun without guilt, in a savage without forceful conversion, in a child without installed fear, in an art piece without a religious motive, in a primordial land not raped by a man, in everything new, in everything not approved by your pastor, in everything that makes you laugh, in everything you have not payed taxes and tithes about, in everything funny, in everything different, in everything strange, in everything sexy, in everything weird, in everything non-European, in everything empowering, in everything smart, in everything spicy, in everything red, in everything black, in everyone who holds one hand higher then other, in every number 6, in every Friday, in every Saturday, in every Monday, on everything left, in every goat, in every star, in everything older then first gospel, in everything newer then dogmas of church fathers, in everything. He is the Lord of this World.

Go and sit in your Church praying and pouring ashes on your head daily for 16 hours and sleep the rest 8. That is the only way you are going to escape the Great Satan that is everywhere, while your puny god is only in your Church.

Weak word magick, mage. This is the rhetorical equivalent of the California cancer label, where a spoonful of asbestos and a sprayed apple will both get the same cancer warning label, which has for effect to dilute and obfuscate the real hazards and relative risks.


Reductio ad absurdum

In logic, reductio ad absurdum is a form of argument which attempts to disprove a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or impractical conclusion


When you come up with ridiculous sweeping statements like "all philosophy is satanic" or "all science is satanic", you're trying to obscure the fact that the basic core of your "as above so below" occult religious doctrine is satanist.

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(09-17-2019 09:04 AM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-16-2019 02:39 PM)911 Wrote:  Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

You have a very basic and childish idea of what Christianity encompasses. You have a most basic understanding of the nuances that any serious Christian would have when contemplating other religions or spiritual paths. How on earth can you claim " for a proper Christian" etc. etc. when you have no clue what a "proper Christian" believes in the first place?
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(09-17-2019 10:37 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  There are many things to criticize about the Catholic Church, and especially nowadays (but which institution in the West is imune?). Coming from a Catholic country, I too was devoured for a time with the prejudice against the Roman Church - and while now I realize its faults, I think it's much more important to keep and resurrect the good it has done. What stands to be lost with our doing away with it is much bigger than what stands to be gained.

So I'd rather focus on those 2000 years of amazing spiritual and intellectual tradition. One example I found recently is Bishop Fulton Sheen, a truly eloquent and deep speaker. The video below is from a television show he used to do in the 50s. It's clear from his topics, the examples he chooses, that society was already lost the same way it is today, it was only in the first step of the ladder - but the foot was already firmly on it, destroying completely the myth of the 'holy and orderly 50s'. It was a lie sold by cinema. It didn't exist.

This video in particular is so important in our days as it speaks against pride - and perhaps even more important for us, lest we forget among the decay around us, that we shouldn't ever consider ourselves above reproach for simply recognizing the evil around, as that may derail our work and dedication in purging it from our own hearts.




Great post. Unfortunately, I think Roosh will have to make another thread, as this is turning more into a Catholic bashing thread instead of a Catholic appreciation/discussion thread. But lets see how it plays our the rest of the week.

E Michael Jones goes in depth as to how the church became corrupted and how to solve it. Simplest answer he gives on how to correct this is for all of us Catholics to get involved in the church again. Admittedly, I am a "Cradle catholic", that is, I was baptized only, but never did confirmation and communion. I'm going to be attending RCIA classes finally in the very near future.

Is it fair for anyone here to complain about what is going on in the church when none of you were seriously involved for the past few decades? Be real with yourselves. Of course the church got corrupted, people stopped going, everyone ate up the globohomo propaganda (you and your GenX/boomer parents included) and became extremely relaxed when it came to social norms. What did we think was going to happen when you stopped going to church every sunday? we allowed fornication before marriage? Birth control to women? and now in 2019, thinking Sodomy is ok? We got distracted by sex and other pleasures, while turning a blind eye to our Religious lives. But no, lets not blame ourselves. The blame solely lies on the Church.

Think about your own lives and those of your parents before solely blaming the RC church for their corruption. Where you all saints during the time the church was corrupted? There's a reason why priest in Poland and other Slavic countries are sought for, because their culture still holds some sort of normalcy and moral standards, unlike America and the rest of the West.
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(09-17-2019 02:04 PM)911 Wrote:  Weak word magick, mage.

Seriously dude? You are seeing Satan and magic everywhere even unusual manner of writing is magick for you?

Just proves my point that for likes of you everything unusual comes from Satan.

Once likes of you start seeing Satan, they never stop. You have this paranoid idea that I am a Satanist and you will stick with it even if I change tomorrow my profile pic to Jesus pic and proclaim I believe in Jesus. You will still claim it a ruse or whatever. There is no point in trying to win favors from people like you. You are the medieval witch burner, the inquisitor, were you born in Middle East you would be the one who promotes Jihad maybe goes to Jihad himself. You are a host for an agent of the system, a slave who works to keep others ignorant, fearful and enslaved with him, a disgusting creature.

(09-17-2019 02:04 PM)911 Wrote:  Reductio ad absurdum

Nothing wrong with reducing to absurd that which is absurd indeed. Being paranoid of Satan is absurd. The whole Christian idea of dualistic world is absurd. It's just easier to think in binary opposites rather then see the world for the complexity it truly is.

(09-17-2019 02:43 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  
(09-17-2019 09:04 AM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-16-2019 02:39 PM)911 Wrote:  Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

You have a very basic and childish idea of what Christianity encompasses. You have a most basic understanding of the nuances that any serious Christian would have when contemplating other religions or spiritual paths. How on earth can you claim " for a proper Christian" etc. etc. when you have no clue what a "proper Christian" believes in the first place?

I was ridiculing a special kind of Christian that sees Satan everywhere. Poster 911 being one of them.

There are other Christians who are not seeing Satan everywhere but as in every aspect of life, it often happens that the loudest and stupidest set the tone.

It's perfectly fine to be a polite Christian who simply thinks that other faiths are just wrong or not as correct as your own for any reason and can have a polite conversation about pros and cons of different faiths and level of truthfulness in each of them. But if you resort to calling other views demonic, there is no polite discourse with you anymore. You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.
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The most engaged, young members of the Roman Church I know today are very traditional (Latin Mass, many children, etc.). The upper escehelons are still entrenched with Boomers, which will take a while to phase out. But I think change is coming there one way or the other.

The real issue is the long-range effects of Vatican 2. The reforms of that era had a ripple-effect throughout Western Christendom. The adage goes, "When the pope sniffs, Protestants sneeze." It's very true. The reality is that over the past decades/centuries, Protestants have been mimicking the Roman Church. It started liturgically, with abandoning our unique/ethnic forms for the Roman rite, fully realized in Vatican 2. In the most recent sense, Protestants see the media campaign about a liberalizing Catholic magisterium and try to emulate accordingly.

Of course, Rome is self-reforming and not at all as liberal as the media would have you believe. Some of the Vatican 2 liturgical reforms are being rolled back. And I suspect there will be a magisterial purge soon as well. But the damage to the rest of Western Christendom has already been done. Rest assured, there are traditional elements in the denominations pushing back against the trends. But the mainline denominations, unlike the Roman Church, will fizzle and die before these smaller sects rise to prominence.
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(09-17-2019 03:45 PM)Mage Wrote:  You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.

Oh please. This is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. You get pretty emotionally unhinged and agressive in your posts when debating. Namecalling and belittling and such.

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There is an upcoming Amazonian Synod of Bishops. You may have heard in the media that this is being pushed as an opportunity to allow Priests to marry due to the sparse population and difficulty in travel, providing sacraments etc. This would be bad enough, but it is worse than this.

Many Catholics are concerned that this Synod and the Bishops selected could attempt to inject heresies into the Church.
(1) Pantheism
(2) Pagan Superstitions as sources of divine Revelation
(3) Aboriginals have already received revelation
(4) Catholic priests need to conform to native customs of amazon
(5) A new approach is needed for what it means to be a human being
(6) Tribal Collectivism

In the attached document, Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke & Bishop Schneider explain the situation with respect to a working document put forward 'Instrumentum Laboris' for what is in laymans terms could be described topics of discussion for theol.
""A CRUSADE OF PRAYER AND FASTING: TO IMPLORE GOD THAT ERROR AND HERESY DO NOT PERVERT THE COMING SPECIAL ASSEMBLY OF THE SYNOD OF BISHOPS FOR THE PAN-AMAZON "

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The requested fast and prayer is very simple, and it begins today Sept 17th for 40 days:
Quote:During the forty-day crusade of prayer and fasting, we propose to pray daily at least one decade of the Holy Rosary and to fast once a week for the above mentioned intentions. According to the tradition of the Church, fasting consists in eating only one full meal during the day, and additionally, one may eat up to two smaller meals. Fasting on bread and water is also recommended to those who are able to do so.





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Yoga *is* Satanic, at least if you do it "correctly." Stretching is not Satanic, of course. But deliberately mimicking the poses of various pagan "deities" in order to "empower" yourself with "energy" is, especially when you look at the lives of most people who practice yoga. They aren't overcoming their attachments to materialism, which is what most of them claim they are doing. They say they are spiritual, but many practitioners are promiscuous drug addicts. They say they are getting in touch with something higher than the material world, but many (if not most, if not all) male yoga teachers are just doing it to sleep with their attractive young students. Even the highest-level teachers are all doing that. It's just a seduction funnel for them posing as something more, using goofy woo-woo language and pretending to be connected to something "higher."

Satan acts through his servants mostly without their awareness, and I strongly believe most of his slaves do not have any idea what's taking place in their souls. Their desire for sex, for money, for power, for influence leads them into these Satanic spiritual practices because they are what promise those things, directly or otherwise, and as soon as you open the door he steps inside and gets a nice foothold in you. Then you start to just repeat his propaganda, subtly or otherwise, like the Unman from the C.S. Lewis book "Perelandra" whose desire for immortality and power led to his being a soulless puppet of a power he couldn't even comprehend. Hence why the Scriptures say: "By our own desires we are led astray."

That's why people call it Satanic: not because they're overtly worshipping Satan, but because their attempts to "empower" themselves usually lead to nothing but attempts to succeed materially that ultimately ruin their souls. That's mostly how Satan works in the world, not by directly receiving worship from people (though "theistic Satanists" do exist), but by appearing as an "angel of light," ie, "pretending to help you," while actually leading you down a path of spiritual destruction. This is literally and figuratively explained in the very beginning of the entire Bible, where Satan tells Eve she can become like God (ie, "by empowering herself") if she'll only listen to him. She falls for the lie and is punished severely. It's not hard to understand what's being communicated with this story.

"I'm just here to help you" is Satan's favorite war cry.

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(09-17-2019 09:04 AM)Mage Wrote:  ...

Satan hides everywhere, in a can of beer, in a can of Cola, in a secular song, in a holiday without going to Church, in a fun without guilt, in a savage without forceful conversion, in a child without installed fear, in an art piece without a religious motive, in a primordial land not raped by a man, in everything new, in everything not approved by your pastor, in everything that makes you laugh, in everything you have not payed taxes and tithes about, in everything funny, in everything different, in everything strange, in everything sexy, in everything weird, in everything non-European, in everything empowering, in everything smart, in everything spicy, in everything red, in everything black, in everyone who holds one hand higher then other, in every number 6, in every Friday, in every Saturday, in every Monday, on everything left, in every goat, in every star, in everything older then first gospel, in everything newer then dogmas of church fathers, in everything. He is the Lord of this World.
...

Why do I picture Styx666 doing this rant, or possibly Amy Schumer during one of her horrible shows?

And why did you capitalise the l in "lord" when referring to satan?

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(09-18-2019 03:10 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  That's why people call it Satanic: not because they're overtly worshipping Satan, but because their attempts to "empower" themselves usually lead to nothing but attempts to succeed materially that ultimately ruin their souls. That's mostly how Satan works in the world, not by directly receiving worship from people (though "theistic Satanists" do exist), but by appearing as an "angel of light," ie, "pretending to help you," while actually leading you down a path of spiritual destruction. This is literally and figuratively explained in the very beginning of the entire Bible, where Satan tells Eve she can become like God (ie, "by empowering herself") if she'll only listen to him. She falls for the lie and is punished severely. It's not hard to understand what's being communicated with this story.

The most well known organized Satan churches. Anton Lavey's Church of Satan which was started decades ago and the newer one that's focused on political activism (putting up statues of Satan in front of courthouses) explicitly state they don't believe in an actual Satan. In the case of the latter, they explicitly state they don't believe in any of the supernatural while Lavey's Satanism does acknowledge the power of magic.

I'm reminded of the commonly used quote "The greatest lie the Devil ever came up with was that he doesn't exist". Even while denying Satan exists, these "churches" are pretty much acting in the way you would expect Satan would want them to act in. No, not in the way it was depicted during the Satanic panic in the 80s with people supposedly sacrificing their pet dog after listening to a Judas Priest record backwards. Rather it's in the manner you talked about above. It's all about "personal growth", "finding my own Truth", etc. If the individual is of the more mystical disposition, this might involve a lot of New Agey occult type practices. If they are the hyperrational type, then they'll end up sounding like a poor man's version of Carl Sagan and Neil Tyson Armstrong. Funny thing is that these men and their followers end up sounding almost pantheistic at times. That's likely a big reason they've managed to reach so many people that a stuffy MIT lab scientist couldn't - they've dressed up their scietism in a mystical way that satisfies the spiritual longings of people who have those needs but don't want to actually make a commitment to any sort of practice.

These sort of practices are riffs of gnosticism - the acquiring of secret knowledge that is supposed to elevate the bearer of that knowledge into an exalted place above the common swine. For the mystical type, it would be the occult. For the hyperationalist, it would be empirical, scientific knowledge. Aurini wrote a very well done article about this which I've wanted to comment on in more detail in the future:

http://www.staresattheworld.com/2019/05/...y-culture/

Quote:At the core of magic is the concept of ‘secret knowledge’. The ‘Seals of Solomon’ or the ‘Keys of Cthulhu’ – some set of symbols, or words, or practices, which are utterly arbitrary – they completely lack any historical etymology – but which claim to be the building blocks of reality, and by using them powerful feats can be accomplished. In a sense, this is similar to the scientist’s attempt to read the Book of Nature – to learn the letters and grammar which underlie reality – but unlike the scientist, the Occultist looks to inner revelation to reveal these secrets – to the particular, to their unique self – rather than trusting in the outside world and God’s universal revelation.

Quote:Where the magician makes a fool of himself by ignoring the Book of Nature, the rationalist makes a fool of himself by ignoring the fact that he’s rationalizing his own behaviour. From Oprah, to Ann Landers, to divorce in contemporary fiction, behaviour is justified under the mantra of ‘personal growth’. This is nothing more than personal Gnosis, writ large for the hoi polloi. Broken promises, harsh words, hypocritical actions are all excused for the sake of ‘me time’. The inner discovery is considered more important than objective standards of how one ought to have behaved. Holding one to the latter reeks of the ‘primitive’ and the ‘patriarchy’; exploration and finding oneself is what’s viewed as heroic.

Mage himself has provided a lot of examples of this sort of mentality, especially after the Christian turn in this forum. Here is just one recent example. He even literally says "As Above so below" in his post which I didn't even notice was an occult thing until 911 posted up that book image:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73992...pid2016143

(09-03-2019 08:09 AM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 07:10 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Mage, you seem to know a lot about this stuff.

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What is the symbolism behind the right hand pointing up and the left hand pointing down as portrayed in this picture...

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...and your avatar?

I'm sure you didn't choose your avatar at random and I'm also sure you're quite versed in what everything in that image stands for. I'm sure you're also aware that the image above is widely used by luciferians and in no way some kind of propaganda driven by anti-pagan Christians, which is the usual go-to to explain these kinds of coincidences.

What gives?

That is an illustration of a sound and powerful universal principle. As above so below.

I chose this principle as illustration of my profile because I have checked its veracity.

When this principle is illustrated in a scary picture of Baphomet it is meant to scare fools away because not everyone needs to be armed with this powerful truth. Think of it as gun control, where people unfit to carry guns due to being too unstable, self select out of the pool of gun carriers. These people can then scream and shout about the evil of owning guns while people with guns rule over them.

In today's modern world, if Satan wanted to make himself known, especially to the educated Western type it wouldn't be very wily of him to depict himself in the way he was depicted in the medieval era. This would seem cartoony and ridiculous to modern people. Instead, the best way for him to influence of the world would be to work through people who see themselves as too educated and enlightened to believe in something so silly from antiquated times.
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(09-17-2019 03:45 PM)Mage Wrote:  It's perfectly fine to be a polite Christian who simply thinks that other faiths are just wrong or not as correct as your own for any reason and can have a polite conversation about pros and cons of different faiths and level of truthfulness in each of them. But if you resort to calling other views demonic, there is no polite discourse with you anymore. You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.

Some things really are demonic. For example, communism, feminism, abortion ("modern Molech worship" as I like to call it). But yeah, when you're the type of Christian who sees yoga or Thor being your favorite Avenger as Satanic, that's a bit much. I like C.S. Lewis's view that it's possible to not even recognize yourself as a Christian but be one by doing good works because all good works are done through Christ.

Yes, as many will doubtless point out the fact that I like this idea doesn't mean it's true, but here's to hoping.

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(09-18-2019 08:38 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(09-17-2019 03:45 PM)Mage Wrote:  It's perfectly fine to be a polite Christian who simply thinks that other faiths are just wrong or not as correct as your own for any reason and can have a polite conversation about pros and cons of different faiths and level of truthfulness in each of them. But if you resort to calling other views demonic, there is no polite discourse with you anymore. You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.

Some things really are demonic. For example, communism, feminism, abortion ("modern Molech worship" as I like to call it). But yeah, when you're the type of Christian who sees yoga or Thor being your favorite Avenger as Satanic, that's a bit much. I like C.S. Lewis's view that it's possible to not even recognize yourself as a Christian but be one by doing good works because all good works are done through Christ.

Yes, as many will doubtless point out the fact that I like this idea doesn't mean it's true, but here's to hoping.

MichaelWitcoff did a good job explaning why yoga is satanic. I use to think that was a silly notion too, but if you sit down and think about it for 5 minutes, you'll see why. If not satanic, at the very least, not conducive to your spiritual life.
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(09-18-2019 09:03 AM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 08:38 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(09-17-2019 03:45 PM)Mage Wrote:  It's perfectly fine to be a polite Christian who simply thinks that other faiths are just wrong or not as correct as your own for any reason and can have a polite conversation about pros and cons of different faiths and level of truthfulness in each of them. But if you resort to calling other views demonic, there is no polite discourse with you anymore. You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.

Some things really are demonic. For example, communism, feminism, abortion ("modern Molech worship" as I like to call it). But yeah, when you're the type of Christian who sees yoga or Thor being your favorite Avenger as Satanic, that's a bit much. I like C.S. Lewis's view that it's possible to not even recognize yourself as a Christian but be one by doing good works because all good works are done through Christ.

Yes, as many will doubtless point out the fact that I like this idea doesn't mean it's true, but here's to hoping.

MichaelWitcoff did a good job explaning why yoga is satanic. I use to think that was a silly notion too, but if you sit down and think about it for 5 minutes, you'll see why. If not satanic, at the very least, not conducive to your spiritual life.

I dunno. My understanding is that "yoga" as it's practiced in the West is an Anglo-American invention that has little if anything to do with Hinduism or anything that was practiced in ancient India (not that I think it would necessarily be Satanic if it did). It's just balance, flexibility work, and isometric bodyweight exercises with some nifty sounding Sanskrit names thrown in to describe the poses.

I just finished a quick yoga session and I don't feel possessed or anything, but who knows. We see everything in this life as through a glass, darkly as St. Paul said.

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I ain't trying to throw shade, but did glass exist in St. Paul's time?
(I really don't know the time frame of when st. paul existed and the advancement of technology wise)

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I go to a very basic Yoga class where the teacher goes out of her way not to impose any specific beliefs on anyone and invites people to do one OM, but doesn't insist on it. She does offer spiritual encouragement at times referring to god and appending "whatever that means to you."

It's good use of my time, I like it, and I think you can take the fear of occult influences too far and sink into paranoia and legalism.

Unless they are insisting on referring to certain Gods or that you worship and pray in a certain way, I think a deracinated western yoga class will be fine for you, and your whole spiritual orientation will not be at risk.

If you are worried that yoga will give you a demon, just go to Pilates.

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Any Catholic that supports open borders and multiculturalism is going against St. Thomas Aquinas himself.

https://fatima.org/news-views/saint-thom...migration/

Quote:The third group was those foreigners who wished to be admitted entirely to the fellowship and mode of worship of the Jews. Even in this case, Saint Thomas counselled a delay of two or three generations before foreigners could be naturalized — deemed to be citizens.

“The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

Does that passage make you think of any foreigners who now seek to settle in our countries? The ones Pope Francis says we should welcome immediately, without reservation? Saint Thomas Aquinas taught that total integration of immigrants into the life, language, customs and culture (including worship, in certain cases) is necessary for full citizenship.

In his analysis, the saint carefully avoided the error into which Pope Francis has fallen — focusing solely on the rights of immigrants without taking into account the common good and safety of the host nation, in this case Israel, and its citizens. To Saint Thomas, it was absolutely clear that the host nation itself had the right and the duty to legislate immigration in such a way that it was of benefit not only to the strangers seeking admittance, but to the receiving nation as well.
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< Let's not overdo things - Yoga has no Satanic origins. It was mostly based on exercises that God-seeking Hindu mystics developed due to hours and days of immobile sitting positions. Yoga itself despite the Western connotation with it does not come with a spiritual path. Women should be doing yoga in order to be flexible for various reasons. It's more akin with kickboxing, karate or calisthenics. That Westerners and some liberals flock to it is irrelevant here frankly.

Weight training and yoga are probably the two more useful sports for women to do.
For men it's weight lifting and martial arts/various shooting hobbies that are more recommendable.

You can certainly be a good Christian and do some yoga just as you can do karate in your free time.
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True but that doesn't make it OK to get involved in all the spiritual hoodoo that the kind of people who think crystals have spiritual energy love to dabble in.
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I think breathing the exercises some Yogis use can be extremely beneficial, even if you don't believe the chakra theory and forget the mumbojumbo mantras.
I have gotten rid of headaches and stomach pains by focusing my breath on these parts of the body with extreme focus and breath control.

There are some theories about how concentrating on a body part increases the flow of blood and therefore accelerating healing.
Haven't researched it myself but I'd rather believe it than the theory of opening chakras.
It works regardless, however it took months of practice to get this point.

As for the satanic part, if you believe using psychedelics as a way to raise consciousness is satanic, then so is Yoga for it is the same purpose without any drugs.
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We need a yoga thread.

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Surprising to see men here doing Yoga in droves. I think the biggest danger is the meditation part, which tells you to empty yourself, but not receive anything (God). Emptying yourself will lead you astray, as we see women who are obsessed with Yoga being "worldly". If you are doing it STRICTLY for physical reasons (Posture/flexibility) I guess i dont see the harm in that. Good luck finding a Yoga practitioner who isnt into new age mumbo jumbo though. best you do this inside the safety of your home.
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(09-18-2019 03:46 PM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  Surprising to see men here doing Yoga in droves.

I don't do it in droves. That would be exhausting.

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