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(09-18-2019 09:30 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  I ain't trying to throw shade, but did glass exist in St. Paul's time?
(I really don't know the time frame of when st. paul existed and the advancement of technology wise)

Yep, that's why he references it in 1 Corinthians 13:12. There's also a reference in Revelation 4:6 to a "a sea of glass like unto crystal" and probably others I'm forgetting. IIRC humans had been making glass for millenia by New Testament times, and before that there was extensive trade in naturally occurring glass like obsidian.

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(09-18-2019 03:46 PM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  Surprising to see men here doing Yoga in droves. I think the biggest danger is the meditation part, which tells you to empty yourself, but not receive anything (God). Emptying yourself will lead you astray, as we see women who are obsessed with Yoga being "worldly". If you are doing it STRICTLY for physical reasons (Posture/flexibility) I guess i dont see the harm in that. Good luck finding a Yoga practitioner who isnt into new age mumbo jumbo though. best you do this inside the safety of your home.

I've never been asked to meditate in a yoga class or P90X video. I think you might be confusing yoga as most Americans think of it, which IIRC has essentially nothing to do with ancient India or Hinduism, with actual yoga from Indian tradition. I don't know much about the latter, but I know it has almost nothing to do with isometric poses and flexibility and balance like what we call yoga in the US.

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It's obviously my mistake to assume that in age of internet most people wold have researched what Yoga is. I thought most of you guys are active internet users and can see past local sterotypes, but apparently it's not that simple.

A lot of you only hearing Christian fear-monger sermons about the evils of occultism and Yoga

Another lot of you only thinking Yoga is what vain thots do in fitness centers.

Both of these opinions are misinformed. They are like forming opinion about Christianity form some Prosperity gospel preaching Megachurch with a charismatic leader who uses donation money and tax free status to buy private yets.

All spirituality is corrupted and infiltrated today, both western and eastern. It's so sad when you can see infiltrated influences in your tradition but think these infiltrated influences are the norm for another tradition.

All spiritual traditions including Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam should work together against secular evils like abortion, divorce, usury and other. But the problem is that monotheistic traditions are intolerant, claim every other tradition is evil and demonic and spend as much time infighting between themselves as fighting secularism. Another problem is that these monotheistic traditions are very dogmatic and prescriptive and contain a limited amount of spirituality. They are like a trap - when a person starts to develop interest on spirituality they are the first to catch most people with what appears to be a very well thought and clear answers with easy to understand scriptures and priesthood class to explain all things, and this calms most people down from seeking higher truths. But if you try to dig deeper you start to see limitations of these monotheistic practices, they conjure an image of a jealous God for whom his worship is more important then being a good person, thus they breed zealotry and never ending conflict and ignorance.
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It's been a very long time since I attended Catholic mass. It seems to have changed a lot since then. Priests must be doing yoga poses while giving communion. Why else would there be talk of yoga within a Catholic Church thread?

I am not a great fan of religions, but do understand that many people are and find great solace in those religions. I am happy for them if they feel God's love through their religion. Hopefully those that continue harping on the evils of religion will find another thread and let this be for Catholics who want to share Catholic things.
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(09-18-2019 02:58 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  We need a yoga thread.

Heretic marked for the flame. (j/k)

(09-19-2019 02:40 AM)Mage Wrote:  ...But if you try to dig deeper you start to see limitations of these monotheistic practices, they conjure an image of a jealous God for whom his worship is more important then being a good person, thus they breed zealotry and never ending conflict and ignorance.

That you lump Christianity in with Islam as being a religion that breeds zealotry under a jealous God makes me all the more skeptical that you were really raised a Catholic or that you have the faintest idea about Christianity in general, beyond standard atheist neckbeard angst.

God (as recognised by Christians) offers salvation from evil if you seek him and leave your desire for sin behind. He's not jealous any more than a case worker is jealous of the heroin his client keeps slamming into his veins. It's becoming clearer and clearer, magician, that you were either burned very badly by a particular denomination or you're flat out lying about having the faintest idea of what you speak.

If you were at all serious you'd recognize that simply striving to "be a good person" is a fools errand since virtually no two people can agree on precisely what that entails. Atheists and spiritual anarchists routinely engage in horrible acts while being utterly convinced they are acting in good faith. Their infantile worship of their own self image as a "good person" makes them putty in the hands of evil.

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The shallowness of Mage's attempts to dissuade people from finding Christ are becoming more and more apparent. Let's take his latest response in this thread one piece at a time...

"It's obviously my mistake to assume that in age of internet most people wold have researched what Yoga is. I thought most of you guys are active internet users and can see past local sterotypes, but apparently it's not that simple."

This is an effeminate shaming tactic that in no way addresses the points that have been made. "You have an opinion I disagree with, therefore you must be ignorant." Not an argument.

"A lot of you only hearing Christian fear-monger sermons about the evils of occultism and Yoga."

More shaming tactics in lieu of actual points made. You call them "fear-monger sermons" and then - again - in no way, shape, or form even attempt to address what's been said. I have called out the evils of these things clearly and articulately, as have many others throughout time. You use the phrase "fear-monger" to minimize and slander, but those are also not arguments.

"Another lot of you only thinking Yoga is what vain thots do in fitness centers."

Objectively speaking, this is often true.

"Both of these opinions are misinformed. They are like forming opinion about Christianity form some Prosperity gospel preaching Megachurch with a charismatic leader who uses donation money and tax free status to buy private yets."

Why? You say it's "misinformed" and then make no attempt at all to correct our "misinformed" perspective. You simply say it's "misinformed," then try to shift the frame into being about charlatans who pose as pastors. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

"All spirituality is corrupted and infiltrated today, both western and eastern. It's so sad when you can see infiltrated influences in your tradition but think these infiltrated influences are the norm for another tradition."

Here you continue to move the frame of the conversation further away from the points that I made and closer towards a blanket statement attacking religion and spirituality in general. This is also not remotely relevant to the topic at hand. Let's say you're right and that every form of spirituality is corrupted, an opinion for which you've provided no evidence. But let's say you did, instead of generalizing. Even if you had provided evidence of that opinion, what does that have to do with what's been said about yoga and the occult? Are they so hard to defend that you just attack other traditions instead? And if so, shouldn't that make you think twice about believing in them?

"All spiritual traditions including Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam should work together against secular evils like abortion, divorce, usury and other. But the problem is that monotheistic traditions are intolerant, claim every other tradition is evil and demonic and spend as much time infighting between themselves as fighting secularism."

For someone claiming that others have used the internet poorly in forming their opinions about these topics, this seems like an especially shallow comment. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion. Buddhism isn't a theistic religion at all. I agree that it would be nice for everyone to get together and fight against abortion, divorce, and usury. Members of each of these religions, if they're following the tenets of said religions, will do exactly that. But what does any of that have to do with yoga and the occult being fundamentally demonic and keeping people from being conformed to the image and likeness of God? That's the entire purpose of Christianity, and neither yoga nor the occult aids in that path in any way. At best yoga can be harmless stretching, at worst it throws open doors to malicious spiritual entities that take up residence in your mind, heart, and soul. The occult does that as well to varying degrees, depending on where you are on the scale from the more watered-down New Age stuff like the "Law of Attraction" all the way to the left-hand path groups like the Temple of Set or the ONA. If you are as deep into the occult as your name and avatar suggest, then you are already perfectly aware of these things and, if that's the case, are deliberately and consciously lying to the people on this board by claiming there's nothing wrong with such traditions. If you've spent any real time studying the occult then you already know Yoga is practiced in some form or another by almost every occult group. And what does "fighting secularism" have to do with any of this? Are you just throwing out frame-shifts and distractions to keep people from understanding what these concepts actually teach and turn people into?


"Another problem is that these monotheistic traditions are very dogmatic and prescriptive and contain a limited amount of spirituality."

Again, a full half of the religions you mentioned are not monotheistic. A simple browsing through Wikipedia would have demonstrated this to you, as would asking any member of these religions. Further, who are you to decide what has a "limited amount of spirituality?" What does that even mean? This is exactly like what Satan said to Eve in the garden, as I've already mentioned. "Obedience to God is limiting your spirituality, follow me instead and I'll make you as powerful as He is." Repeating millennia-old lies is both silly and boring. Imagine believing that being conformed to Christ, the blueprint and pattern of a perfect man, is somehow "limited."

"They are like a trap - when a person starts to develop interest on spirituality they are the first to catch most people with what appears to be a very well thought and clear answers with easy to understand scriptures and priesthood class to explain all things, and this calms most people down from seeking higher truths. But if you try to dig deeper you start to see limitations of these monotheistic practices, they conjure an image of a jealous God for whom his worship is more important then being a good person, thus they breed zealotry and never ending conflict and ignorance."

This is a lot of word-wizardry all in one paragraph, weaving generalizations and misinformation and outright lies in a neat little package. It's the same way Jordan Peterson speaks, which Vox Day accurately labeled "bafflegarble." All of this nonsense is meant to dazzle the stupid with a flash of what sounds (on the surface) like deep and powerful insight, but in reality is meaningless if you just pick the statement apart and examine it with any real depth. Anyone who's read a book on NLP can do stuff like this, making dumb people think they're smart because of the authoritative tone and superficial "truths" that appears to be communicated. What such speakers will almost never do - because they generally can't - is stop speaking in weasel and actually define their terms and ideas concretely. They just turn into slippery jellyfish when you try to nail down what they're actually saying or what they actually believe, expanding or contracting as necessary in order to not have to put their ideas into discrete clear forms.

And again - even if your entire paragraph of bafflegarble were true - what would any of that have to do with what's been said about yoga and the occult? If you want to tell me why I'm wrong, then tell me. Calling me ignorant and ranting about the evils of other religions are not relevant responses.

(As a side note to everyone reading along, what Mage is doing here is nothing new. Read St. Irenaeus's "Against Heresies" or St. Augustine's disputations against Faustus or Fortunatus and you will see that gnostics always use the same tactics in trying to spread their lies. There are no new forms of gnosticism and no new arguments they make, it's all just rehashed and reiterated nonsense that's been around for thousands of years. The reason is that the spirits trying to cast their nets through the ancient gnostics are still acting through the modern ones, and demons are not creative or inventive. They rely entirely on people not knowing that all of their "arguments" have already been soundly refuted and overthrown. When you practice yoga the religious way or play around with the occult, you're inviting the same old spirits into your soul that the ancient pagans did. Hence why they have nothing new to say.)

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Used to be a devout catholic but I left the church but since it's obvious no one wants to read about such things here in the thread I will talk about the things I still like about the catholic church. Like and respect that is...

The devotion of mother Mary is something I still respect dearly. Where I live the country side is filled with small shrines and chapels for mother Mary. My grandmother always used to burn candles near a statue of mother Mary when someone of the family was in need (this is magic by the way... Christian magic but still magic none the less). Also the devotion of the Catholic Saints is something that has kindled my interest lately... it's intriguing how this monotheistic religion still has so much devotion for others then their God alone.

The architecture it has produced is also something I respect very much! I can really enjoy the beauty and sacredness of these buildings! Also the Gregorian chant music is breath taking... I would love to visit a true Latin mass with Gregorian chants someday. It must be a mesmerizing and truly uplifting spiritual experience. Also an Orthodox mass is something I would like to see one day but not in the scope of the current thread...

I have also a great deal of respect for all the monks and nuns who still live in monasteries and have devoted their live to their faith (and of course all the great cheeses and beers they produce). It's a pity they are a dying breed.

As you can see although I left the church I have somehow regained respect for it... But returning? Never!
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Leonard and Michael.

I don't have time to analyze all the things I disagree with in your long posts. I just remember line that pagans have nothing new to say made me laugh. Paganism comes with new insights constantly, while Christianity as a religion based on scripture, with this limited source material, is one that has said all it can say.

I understand that you are mostly well meaning guys who want to resist the corruption of this world and have chosen the most popular, well developed and established theology available in your culture, that being Christianity.

But it's proven beyond doubt that all Christianity is based on Jewish religion that predates Judaism. Yet you despise Jews. Also it's proven beyond doubt that all Jewish evolved has come from Canaanite paganism, that has in turn evolved from Sumerian paganism. There are also Zoroastrian and ancient Hindu influences. Yet you call all that demonic.

Your religion is based on supposed fact that Christ came and by writings of Paul made a new revelation that should be something so cardinally new that only God could reveal it. But as more and more evidence comes it is clearly evident not to be true, all of that is old stuff that has been know for ages. All this what Christianity contains is just what has been made official by Roman empire. In some way we are still living in a late Roman empire and we carry on this tradition. Paganism is all that knowledge that ended up behind the line, not pleasant for a central imperialistic government. All what ended up as Christianity is globalism 1.0. You are just globalists of version 1.0 fighting globalists of version 2.0 in my eyes.

Paganism doesn't have this burden to rely on revelation - in Paganism human knowledge about spiritual comes and goes with times, depending on how well and for how long individuals and societies can learn from Nature and resist the ego. Societies and religions also have ego. The bigger the empire, the larger the temples, the more gold in them, the more elaborate theology, the more poetry and hymns - the bigger the ego. Yeah - why would you listen to those hut dwelling pagans for spiritual advice when you have a temple of gold? But this pagan in his hut is closer to the open sky.

To believe Christianity is true you have to limit yourself to a very tiny slice in history. You have to ascribe all the rest of human history as some dark times when demons ruled openly, all who lived except few Jewish ancestors of David and Jesus went to Hell and even Christians form other denominations are going there, yet God somehow loves humanity.

To believe to Christianity is just so petty and self-centered, how do you guys even manage to do that in age of information? To choose this medieval closed mindedness over the vast ocean of possibility that is outside of it. How can a human soul cut it's wings so much? I find it sad.
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I'm beginning to agree with Leonard about the sketchiness of your claim to a Catholic upbringing. If that story is true, you were either poorly catechized or not at all. It's also telling that, after my comments regarding how demons are unable to come up with anything new, you just repeated the exact same tactics I already exposed in my last response to you, namely, bafflegarble and attacking Christianity. This is because paganism and occult ideologies have no actual substance, and the "gnosis" their practitioners believe themselves to possess isn't real. It's just a surge of demonic energy that gives them a massive sense of superiority over those who they believe to have no such "gnosis," and are completely blind to the fact that they don't actually possess anything beyond a belief that they possess "secret knowledge." As I mentioned in my book on this and related topics, occultism is just a psychological chew toy for people who have a high enough IQ to convince themselves that it makes sense, but don't have the Holy Spirit to help them discern its falsehood.

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You have exactly zero arguments in your post.

I know exactly how I was raised. If you want to convince me that I was not raised Catholic when I totally was then you are lowering your credibility in my eyes, proving yourself to have little deductive power, just proving how wrong you can get about things.

You see the difference between us that while I do understand your position having walked in your shoes, you do not understand mine and therefore you must assume I am lying somehow, otherwise you would have to conclude that what I speak is true. Easier to dismiss what I say and call it demonic lies.
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Before I became Christian I was a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason, a Knight Templar in the York Rite, a member of AMORC and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and a practitioner of Kabbalah and Austin Osman Spare's material. Are you *sure* I don't understand your side of the fence?

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If I'm not mistaken Christ's new covenant smashed the Jewish ethnosupremacism of the OT which is precisely why they hate him and hate Christians more generally. As I noted in another post Jews are like KKK members who are forced daily to watch a diverse society that actually functions better than their own homogeneous one. Your call to attribute Christianity to a worship of semitism is one of the more desperate plays in the book of anti-Christian slander and if you were raised as a Catholic you wouldn't conflate Jesus being an ethnic Jew with Christians worshiping Judaism and the Old Testament.

Any other magic you'd like to try?

As for "not having walked in your shoes" it's odd that you speak exactly as I thought before I humbled myself. In fact you sound like every neckbeard spiritual anarchist and facebook-mantra reposting woman who ever walked the earth. There's nothing remotely insightful about anything you've claimed thus far. It all boils down to "believe in nothing except what your ego drives you toward".

"There is no authority higher than me or the authorities I choose to rule over me."

"Everyone is stupid except for me."

"I, a nobody from nowhere of few years, am a better arbiter of what is real and true than a spiritual body spanning hundreds of years and the lives of thousands of old, wise men."

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(09-19-2019 05:03 AM)Mage Wrote:  I don't have time to analyze all the things I disagree with in your long posts. I just remember line that pagans have nothing new to say made me laugh. Paganism comes with new insights constantly, while Christianity as a religion based on scripture, with this limited source material, is one that has said all it can say.

I know you were not talking to me, but I just wanted to say: You are right in saying Christianity does ascribe to absolute Truth, and that Truth is Christ, the living Word of God. He is powerful and active, with mercies new every morning. He fills all things and to Him all things belong. Hardly "limited source material." Even with respect to the written Scriptures themselves, which are nothing other than attestations to Him, these are referred to as "living and active." The Christian Divines have written and will continue to write tomes until the end of time which will not fully encompass the totality of the Godhead. Even St. John the Evangelist wrote at the end of his Gospel that not all the books in the world could contain everything Christ said and did, much less the fullness of His Deity. There is much more to say than can be said.

Quote:I understand that you are mostly well meaning guys who want to resist the corruption of this world and have chosen the most popular, well developed and established theology available in your culture, that being Christianity.

This is in direct conflict with your following point. As you rightly point out, Indo-European culture was not historically based on Christian theology. It has its roots in the paganism you are promulgating, as well as various forms of polytheism. The fact that what began as a parochial Jewish sect took over the globe is something to take note of, whether you believe in it or not.

Quote:But it's proven beyond doubt that all Christianity is based on Jewish religion that predates Judaism.


Very true.

Quote:Yet you despise Jews.

Judaism and those who call themselves "Jews" today are not the same thing as the Biblical Hebrew faith. In fact, I have read studies that contend that modern ethnic "Jews" may not even descend directly from Abraham, but rather from other non-semitic tribes. I am no expert so this warrants further inquiry from those interested. That being said, I for one do not hate the Biblical Jews, nor the modern ethnic group claiming to be Jews. I have nothing but pity for them, as the Lord Christ Himself had when He wept over Jerusalem. Though I do despise the Jewish spirit that has plagued the world since they shouted "Crucify Him" to that Incarnate One.

Quote:Also it's proven beyond doubt that all Jewish evolved has come from Canaanite paganism, that has in turn evolved from Sumerian paganism. There are also Zoroastrian and ancient Hindu influences. Yet you call all that demonic.

Where has this been proven beyond all doubt? I would contend that Canaanite paganism was a corruption of Noahic monotheism. To wit, such corruption was demonic in origin, with the pantheon of deities therein (and in Hinduism as well) being various demons that controlled a given people (the "angel" of a given nation referred to in Scripture).

Quote:Your religion is based on supposed fact that Christ came and made a new revelation that should be something so cardinally new that only God could reveal it.

There was nothing "new" about the revelation of Christ as such. He repeatedly said the Scriptures (meaning the Old Testament, which itself is the product of an oral tradition passed down over thousands of years) testified of Him. He said the Scriptures cannot be broken. He is literally the Word Incarnate.

Quote:But as more and more evidence comes it is clearly evident not to be true, all of that is old stuff that has been know for ages.

See above - yes it was known for ages, and Christ did not say anything contrary to what had been revealed before Him. He fulfilled the words of the Prophets to the letter. And he ascribed power to His teachings by rising from the dead, something well-attested with a certainty beyond any other measure used in historical research. How do you account for this historicity?

Quote:All this what Christianity contains is just what has been made official by Roman empire. In some way we are still living in a late Roman empire and we carry on this tradition. Paganism is all that knowledge that ended up behind the line, not pleasant for a central imperialistic government. All what ended up as Christianity is globalism 1.0. You are just globalists of version 1.0 fighting globalists of version 2.0 in my eyes.

This seems to be little more than the "Constantine made it all up!" argument. But the reality is that the New Testament was codified centuries before St. Constantine the Great made Christianity the state religion of the Empire. The Church Fathers authoritatively quoted the entirety of Scripture from the 1st century on. And their Apostolic Tradition and exposition of Doctrine is consistent throughout.

Quote:Paganism doesn't have this burden to rely on revelation - in Paganism human knowledge about spiritual comes and goes with times, depending on how well and for how long individuals and societies can learn from Nature and resist the ego. Societies and religions also have ego. The bigger the empire, the larger the temples, the more gold in them, the more elaborate theology, the more poetry and hymns - the bigger the ego.
To believe Christianity is true you have to limit yourself to a very tiny slice in history.

To deny Christianity you have to look at the peculiar events that surrounded an inconsequential semitic sect for millennia--turmoils, exiles, restorations, run-ins with the passing powers of each epoch over and over--which somehow took over the world. How do you account for this? Christianity is founded on well-attested sources. As a manuscript, the Bible passes manuscript consistency on a level that surpasses other great works of ancient literature 100-fold. The inconsistencies between manuscripts are so minuscule as to be inconsequential - a misplaced comma here or there. How do you account for this?

Quote:You have to ascribe all the rest of human history as some dark times when demons ruled openly, all who lived except few Jewish ancestors of David and Jesus went to Hell and even Christians form other denominations are going there, yet God somehow loves humanity.

The Scriptures are filled with the Lord of Israel reaching out to the Gentile. The Jericohan prostitute Rehab who was saved from the destruction of her city. The entire city of Nineveh, which was spared from utter judgement (and a wicked city that was). The people of Egypt who believed in the power of God and fled with Moses and the Israelites. The inhabitants of Babylon who were ministered to by the captive Israelites, such that Magi from the East paid homage to the newborn Christ. The Scriptures tell the story of a parochial Jewish people, but the words of the Prophets are filled with God's love for the Gentiles.

"They shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain .And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord."

Quote:To believe to Christianity is just so petty and self-centered, how do you guys even manage to do that in age of information? To choose this medieval closed mindedness over the vast ocean of possibility that is outside of it. How can a human soul cut it's wings so much? I find it sad.

I find Christianity beautiful. More than that, I find it reasonable. But even if I did not, I find it beautiful. I will close with the words of another on this matter:

"Even if…
Even if Christianity were not true, it would still be amazing.
It teaches that we exist because of love;
It teaches that we are rational because of the Logos (who was made flesh);
It teaches that we are persons, because we are in the image of a Tri-personal God.
It gives us a reason to love all people, even and especially the unlovable.
It calls us to return prayers for blows, and kindness for insults.
It shows us a beauty that will save the world.
It offers us a purpose in life—to be conformed to the likeness of the One who conformed himself to ours. Even suffering serves this purpose. Even death does.
It offers us forgiveness for our sins—taking them seriously as sins, and not mere misunderstandings, yet not treating them as ultimate.
It offers us hope in the face of death—that death itself has been swallowed up, and therefore it no longer need be feared.
But it is true.
The grave was empty, and fearful men soon proclaimed boldly the resurrection of a crucified criminal, in the teeth of opposition from his enemies, incredulity from the wise, and disdain from the powerful.
They did not believe because it fit a narrative they had had. They believed because they saw.
The grave was empty. And they saw the One who had been in it, alive again. One of them even thrust his hand into the pierced side, and touched the heart of God. All but one of the Twelve died rather than deny what they had seen.
Hundreds saw him…heard him…ate with him:
Near the grave, on the road, in the upper room, by the Sea of Galilee, at the Mount of Olives.
In early dawn, and midday, and late in the evening.
Then there’s the one who tried to crush the infant faith,
Working feverishly, arresting, seizing men, women and children,
Agreeing to the death of the first martyr.
Stopped dead in his tracks, against his own deepest convictions, he announced the very faith he had fought, throughout the world, all the way to Rome.
From the first century till now, its enemies have tried to destroy it.
Pagans tried to call it back, but were conquered by the crucified Galilean;
Muslims tried to call it forward to another prophet, but could not overpower it. They conquered Zoroaster, but could not overcome Christ;
Atheists tried to kill it in Russia, but now Russia is risen as Christian and Lenin lies in a tomb.
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life."
(Quote from ~Fr. Greggory Hogg)
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Try reading the papalencyclicals.

I like the ones from John Paul II. Haven´t read anything about Francis yet.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/jp02

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(09-19-2019 05:36 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Before I became Christian I was a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason, a Knight Templar in the York Rite, a member of AMORC and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and a practitioner of Kabbalah and Austin Osman Spare's material. Are you *sure* I don't understand your side of the fence?

But it's not my side of fence!

I have never practiced any of the things you mentioned, but one.

I have never been part or advocated being part of any occult societies.

Out of these I have only briefly practiced Kabbalah. I am not sure you and me have even the same understanding about what is Kabbalah. I studied it from pure Jewish roots not some European pseudo-Christian magical school.

You are lumping too much together.

I believe in individualism and freedom, and each person's ability to attain spiritual insight to meditation and closeness to nature not some covert societies that meet in dark basements and try to or pretend to try to rule the world.

(09-19-2019 05:41 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  "Everyone is stupid except for me."

It's a dishonest argument to use against a minority in a debate.

You are basically saying that "might is right" or majority is right. it's pretty dishonest way of arguing.
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@ An0dyne

The post you answered to contains answers to your answers already if you read carefully.

Christianity succeed because it was one of the popular cults that happened to be chosen as official by Constantine. Had he chosen Mithra or Sol Victus, you would pray to any of them as the only God today. But he didn't choose Mithra to weaken Persian influence. Persia was a huge empire that rivaled Rome, but our history books, written by thousands of years by Christians downplay it's power to make history more Christian centrist. Chances are he choose Christianity to counter the popularity of Mithra, it could be one of the reasons.

if you want proofs and more information about ancient Caanite gods, then just do research, it's well known.

Bible is not a perfect book, there are many inconsistencies and later additions, serious Bible researchers know that.
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(09-19-2019 05:36 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Before I became Christian I was a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason, a Knight Templar in the York Rite, a member of AMORC and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and a practitioner of Kabbalah and Austin Osman Spare's material. Are you *sure* I don't understand your side of the fence?

Interesting, may I inquire why the change?
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We really need an "I was raised a Catholic/Christian, but..." thread.

It's fast becoming a meme to rival "fellow white people".

I think you can sum up just about every such post with "I was raised in census-Christian household and as a child I hated my itchy church clothes that I had to wear several times a year. Then I went through a rebellious teenage phase which I'm still riding out 10/20/30 years later."

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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(09-19-2019 06:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  We really need an "I was raised a Catholic/Christian, but..." thread.

It's fast becoming a meme to rival "fellow white people".

I think you can sum up just about every such post with "I was raised in census-Christian household and as a child I hated my itchy church clothes that I had to wear several times a year. Then I went through a rebellious teenage phase which I'm still riding out 10/20/30 years later."

No the institute was infested with paedophiles that is why I left... I was more religious then my parents, they couldn't care less... I enjoyed going to church and feeling like a devout Christian until the sex abuse scandals began. That gave me a very bitter taste and that is the main reason why I left...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C...se_scandal
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Did you keep to the faith or was your Christianity simply a rote of attending the proper places and speaking the proper words until those places and words "gave you a bitter taste"?

Are the teachings of an ancient order more true or less true because lately faggots have snuck in the back door?

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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I kept the faith until I studied other religions and other forms of spirituality and came to, my personal, conclusion that it is all the same and not the same at the same time (lol)...

The teachings are still valid but for me personally the teachings of the other religions are as valid as those of Christianity.

I no longer stick to one faith I take from every religion and form of spirituality the things that works for me, yes like a true Heretic Tongue

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(09-19-2019 06:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  We really need an "I was raised a Catholic/Christian, but..." thread.

It's fast becoming a meme to rival "fellow white people".

I think you can sum up just about every such post with "I was raised in census-Christian household and as a child I hated my itchy church clothes that I had to wear several times a year. Then I went through a rebellious teenage phase which I'm still riding out 10/20/30 years later."

When will you stop projecting your experience on me in this regard?

Your attitude on assuming ill intent, rebelliousness or demonic possession on all Catholic apostates mirrors that of Islamic attitude towards apostates. Muslims too, cannot believe that someone would leave their religion out of valid reasons and therefore they become aggressive against apostates assuming some treachery and speaking - oh if only he knew the "true Islam" or "if only he had it properly explained to him then he wouldn't leave".

You prove constantly with your attitude that all Monotheistic religions are similar in their intolerance, but you constantly complain when I group Christianity and Islam together. Stop acting like the worst of your bunch if you want to prove you are not like that!

You will probably claim that there is a huge difference towards your attitude towards apostates and Muslim attitude, just because you do not kill apostates unlike them Muslims. Well the difference in quantity, but not in quality!

Would you be living in medieval times and your Lord Roosh suddenly converted to Christianity and were you promised riches for spraying some Pagan or Mohammedan blood, you would fallow him in battle to slay unbelievers with great passion. After all, all of them unbelievers are just evil demon possessed rebels. You must bring the Holy order to them! "Hail one God and the one Holy Roman Emperor under him! May the Glory of Christ reach all four corners of the world and may our Holy Roman Emperor live long and rule long! Hail Globalism 1.0!"
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Christianity is not the end-all-be-all of morality and life guidance. I get that Roosh had a transformation and a lot of guys here are believers, but we don’t need to be beaten over the head with Bible quotes in every single thread.
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(09-19-2019 04:32 AM)Meliorare93 Wrote:  Used to be a devout catholic but I left the church but since it's obvious no one wants to read about such things here in the thread I will talk about the things I still like about the catholic church. Like and respect that is...

The devotion of mother Mary is something I still respect dearly. Where I live the country side is filled with small shrines and chapels for mother Mary. My grandmother always used to burn candles near a statue of mother Mary when someone of the family was in need (this is magic by the way... Christian magic but still magic none the less). Also the devotion of the Catholic Saints is something that has kindled my interest lately... it's intriguing how this monotheistic religion still has so much devotion for others then their God alone.

Christian magic. I like that. My wife's grandmother is close to 100 years old and venerates the Virgin in the same way. It's very touching and what's more, it seems to work.

The things you describe here are exactly the things in the RCC that I see as holdovers from Greco-Roman paganism. That is, non-Christian practices thrown in to help convert simple country people in ancient times. That said, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, even though venerating the Virgin will never be for me (I don't even believe that she remained a virgin her whole life). These things work for the populations best suited to Roman Catholicism, like Latin Americans and southern Europeans. Similar to how I'm Christian but also draw inspiration from the Norse gods of my ancestors, although I don't actually pray to them or believe that Odin and Thor are beings that exist in a literal sense.

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These discussions are fruitless after a certain point. After which we should simply pray to God and for each other and ourselves to be brought closer to the Truth. Christ will hear even those who do not know his name and calling instead for Truth will find Him, as they are one and the same.

Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.
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