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RE: The Catholic Church thread
How unhinged you're becoming, mage. Try not to wear out the shift and 1 keys on your keyboard, magician.

Here's an observation that's hit me like a freight train in the last few days as it relates to guys like the magician and Meliorare93. A lot of Christians are born to their denomination and are indeed taught fear, but not fear of God, fear of the church. This is probably because their number one spiritual guide, their parents, were incapable-of or unwilling-to convey the concept of God's mercy and protection to their child. As such, Church for them was simply a bunch of boring rules and stifling people and that mindset became as entrenched as anything done so deliberately and mindlessly at that age, perhaps just as their mother and father had suffered before them. So they got baptized and in time went through the rites and rituals of accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior but it was all hollow and rote. There was no belief behind it. After all, they lived in relatively stable and prosperous societies where there was little to no danger. Evil, real evil, was a foreign concept to them. Even though the Bible spoke of angels and demons, the child through the parents didn't really believe in these things as anything but exaggerations made for the purpose of making a point in a parable. No different or more real than the evil witch in Hansel and Gretel or the Big Bad Wolf in Little Red Riding Hood.

Suffice to say in the modern era it seemed pointless to them to continue what amounted to a shallow series of spiritually dead rituals, which they were, because they never really believed in Christ or in satan or in angels or demons any more than they believed in the witch or the wolf from the fairy tale.

This is why newcomers to the faith seeking refuge there from the literal evil they perceive in the world take the faith far more seriously than many of the production-line Christians ever did. So many of the production-line Christians have been inoculated to seeing real, genuine evil and the effectiveness the protection of Christ offers. Suffice to say that every form of spirituality smattering the world seems equally valid to them because Christianity never seemed valid to them at all.

But I will hold to my plain and simple observation stated several times in different threads.

Why do the abortion-loving, African-immigration-loving, white-genocide-loving, faggot-loving, transexual-loving progressive freaks give every religion on the planet a pass except Christianity.

Why is it that I can virtually guarantee that if someone hates me for being white, straight, male and "CIS" that they also hate Christians with a passion? Not the hyper-patriarchal Muslims, no sir! But Christians? What a bunch of backward idiots, amitrite?

They don't hate yoga. They don't hate paganism. They don't hate buddhism. They don't hate hinduism. What's really bizarre until you accept the reason why, is that they hate Christianity even when it's practiced by Blacks or Asians or Indians.

Take a look at every deeply dysfunctional person in the West, riddled with tatoos, riddled with peircings or ear hoops, drowning in "modern culture", hooked on alcohol and drugs and anti-depressants, riddled with mental illness, addicted to porn and casual sex. Confront them with an image of Christ and watch them squirm like the girl from the exorcist movie. This is real. I've seen it. I've lived it. Now confront them with a yoga pose or a picture of vishnu or a verse from the koran.

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All of that garbage is either powerless or working toward the wrong direction, but for the "I was raised on a Christian production line, but I left because..." type people they refuse to see what's plain to the rest of us because in their infancy they passed judgement on Christianity and they're too proud to believe that perhaps they were wrong. Worse, they're so proud that they feel a duty to "help" everyone who might turn to Christ. "Look out, you're going to waste your time, turn back before it's too late, they'll make you do boring things and wear itchy church clothes!!!"

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Why would someone like the magician here argue so passionately against Christianity and so hyper passionately against Catholicism when he seems hardly interested in speaking out against Islam at all, a far more bloody and barbaric faith?

Why does he keep making snide and sarcastic talking points about how "stupid Catholics believe the devil is in everything" but for all his multi-faith secret wisdom never tells us whether he believes satan and demons are real, and how their influence should best be stalled?

This is the way of deceivers, even ones who do not know they are deceived themselves. They will tell you "look at the multitude of spiritual options you have in this great, big, wide world" but they will only swear black and blue on a stack of korans that the only one you needn't bother wasting your time with is Christianity.

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^ Another theory as to about my psychology and why there must be something wrong with me if I don't believe Christianity.

Keep coming up with these Leonard it's amusing. How many will you invent?

I know you are a blatant liar since you keep stating that I do not criticize Islam. Everyone who can look at my past posts will know you are a liar.

As to why left hates Christianity more then other religions - it is simple - white men like you default to this religion. Even trough Paganism is the true white man's religion, the plurality of both right wingers and left wingers still think it is Christianity. White men flee to Church as to their source of morality and leftists attack wherever white men who try to be virtuous are.

Pagans are also persecuted, at least in Russia where there are large enough groups of them to be organized they are persecuted, leaders get arrested, and they get censored. Luckily Paganism is at it's best when it's decentralized so it will endure. In anaglosphere, Varg Vikirnes on of best and most virtuous English speaking Pagans got his YouTube channel deleted. Pagans get labeled as Nazis all the time.

Not only is the left persecuting paganism - Christians do too. It was Muslims and then Christians who robbed India and damaged the last major Pagan country, the oldest culture on planet.

The leftist policies against both Christianity and Paganism are the same - try to create false version of the faith, then if not possible censor or arrest.
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(09-19-2019 07:57 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Christianity is not the end-all-be-all of morality and life guidance.

I suppose you could say that's the central point of disagreement between the believers and the nonbelievers here.

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I'm just trying to figure out who is Catholic on the Catholic Thread.

Church Authority is passed directly from Peter:

Initial Church Hierarchy as described in Liber Pontificus under Peter in Rome:
Peter (Pope)
Linus & Anacletus (Auxiliary Bishops in Rome)
Clement (Papal Secretary, Bishop)
Roman Presbyters (Priests)
Roman Deacons

First 5 Popes
Peter - Apostle of Christ
Linus - 2 Tim 4:21, Formally instituted veil for women in Church, Martyr
Anacletus - Ordained 25 priests in city of Rome, Martyr
Clement - Phil 4:3, Wrote the Epistle of St. Clement which gives insight into practices of early church including Bishops, Martyr
Everistus - Pope during 2nd major Roman persecution 'Domitian', instituted 'titulus' where approved Churches/Priests could have mass

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(09-19-2019 08:07 AM)bucky Wrote:  Christian magic. I like that. My wife's grandmother is close to 100 years old and venerates the Virgin in the same way. It's very touching and what's more, it seems to work.

The things you describe here are exactly the things in the RCC that I see as holdovers from Greco-Roman paganism. That is, non-Christian practices thrown in to help convert simple country people in ancient times. That said, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, even though venerating the Virgin will never be for me (I don't even believe that she remained a virgin her whole life). These things work for the populations best suited to Roman Catholicism, like Latin Americans and southern Europeans. Similar to how I'm Christian but also draw inspiration from the Norse gods of my ancestors, although I don't actually pray to them or believe that Odin and Thor are beings that exist in a literal sense.

Christianity has a lot of magic if you ask me...The mass is quite the ceremonial magical act.

Intercession of saints is just an evocation of a saint and asking him/her for help... I see no difference with the evocation of other entities. Except that the practice of intercession of saints is permitted by the church, the evocation of other entities is, afaik, not.

A Saint that is Christian but also "magical" is Saint Cyprian, although no longer a Catholic Saint, but rather an Orthodox saint afaik. He is used, or perhaps abused if you're a devout Christian, in a lot of occult circles...

Exorcism... also a magical act, aka banishing... etc
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(09-19-2019 06:53 AM)Meliorare93 Wrote:  
(09-19-2019 05:36 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Before I became Christian I was a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason, a Knight Templar in the York Rite, a member of AMORC and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and a practitioner of Kabbalah and Austin Osman Spare's material. Are you *sure* I don't understand your side of the fence?

Interesting, may I inquire why the change?

Hey Meliorare, the short answer is that I had an experience of the Truth - the true Truth that comes from Heaven - and that started me on a path of reading the Bible and going to church. The deeper I got into that path, the more obvious all the errors of the other paths became to me, both intellectually and experientially as various addictions began to fall off my soul. I included a bit of my conversion story in my book "On The Masons And Their Lies," and if you're curious you can read the Introduction (where the conversion story is) for free in this article:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/06/on...heir-lies/

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(09-19-2019 06:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  We really need an "I was raised a Catholic/Christian, but..." thread.

It's fast becoming a meme to rival "fellow white people".

I think you can sum up just about every such post with "I was raised in census-Christian household and as a child I hated my itchy church clothes that I had to wear several times a year. Then I went through a rebellious teenage phase which I'm still riding out 10/20/30 years later."

It's as if you peered into my soul. Happy to report it is way beyond 30 years for this rebellious teenager.
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(09-19-2019 09:12 AM)Mage Wrote:  ^ Another theory as to about my psychology and why there must be something wrong with me if I don't believe Christianity.

Keep coming up with these Leonard it's amusing. How many will you invent?

I know you are a blatant liar since you keep stating that I do not criticize Islam. Everyone who can look at my past posts will know you are a liar.

As to why left hates Christianity more then other religions - it is simple - white men like you default to this religion. Even trough Paganism is the true white man's religion, the plurality of both right wingers and left wingers still think it is Christianity. White men flee to Church as to their source of morality and leftists attack wherever white men who try to be virtuous are.

Pagans are also persecuted, at least in Russia where there are large enough groups of them to be organized they are persecuted, leaders get arrested, and they get censored. Luckily Paganism is at it's best when it's decentralized so it will endure. In anaglosphere, Varg Vikirnes on of best and most virtuous English speaking Pagans got his YouTube channel deleted. Pagans get labeled as Nazis all the time.

Not only is the left persecuting paganism - Christians do too. It was Muslims and then Christians who robbed India and damaged the last major Pagan country, the oldest culture on planet.

The leftist policies against both Christianity and Paganism are the same - try to create false version of the faith, then if not possible censor or arrest.

It's odd that you chose a convicted murderer as your example of "on[e] of the best and most virtuous English speaking Pagans."

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This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for.

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(09-19-2019 04:56 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It's odd that you chose a convicted murderer as your example of "on[e] of the best and most virtuous English speaking Pagans."

It's odd that you chose a convicted blasphemer, sabbath denier, rebellious anarchist and caller for violent uprising as your savior.

If you judge a man by his convictions, then just be a leftist and worship state as ultimate source of truth and justice.
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@redbeard

Right? I was hoping for a Catholic faith/lifestyle thread, not debating the Church like it's politics.
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Well then make some posts about it...

Intercession of saints

from wikipedia:
Roman Catholic Church doctrine supports intercessory prayer to saints. Intercessory prayer to saints also plays an important role in the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches.[citation needed] In addition, some Anglo-Catholics believe in saintly intercession. This practice is an application of the Catholic doctrine of the Communion of Saints. It is understood that some of the early basis for this was the belief that martyrs passed immediately into the presence of God, and could obtain graces and blessings for others. A further reinforcement was derived from the cult of the angels which, while pre-Christian in its origin, was heartily embraced by the faithful of the sub-Apostolic age.[8]

According to St. Jerome, "If the Apostles and Martyrs, while still in the body, can pray for others, at a time when they must still be anxious for themselves, how much more after their crowns, victories, and triumphs are won!"[4]

The Catholic doctrine of intercession and invocation is set forth by the Council of Trent, which teaches that "...the saints who reign together with Christ offer up their own prayers to God for men. It is good and useful suppliantly to invoke them, and to have recourse to their prayers, aid, and help for obtaining benefits from God, through His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, Who alone is our Redeemer and Saviour."[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercessi...r_the_dead

Most villages in my country are named to saints... Probably the most well known Saint in the Benelux, unfortunately he is mostly venerated in a capitalistic way, he's a bit the Santa Claus alternative here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

Pilgrimage

Something I'd like to do to one day... Yes even as an ex-Christian. From wikipedia:

Christianity has a strong tradition of pilgrimages, both to sites relevant to the New Testament narrative (especially in the Holy Land) and to sites associated with later saints or miracles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...Compostela

Probably the most well known place to go in my region is Santiago De Compostela

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...Compostela
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Mage, I’ll charitably assume you’re just trolling this thread.

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Meliorare- If you believe the Scriptures, then you believe the Saints are with God. If you believe the Saints are with God, then of course you’ll want them to pray for you.

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Yes I would like and appreciate it if they pray for me! If Zeus, Ganesh or even Allah has some spare time to pray for me I will appreciate that too Tongue Hey even Satan may pray for me, all is well... I'm no dualistic atheist.

Why not post something about your faith and praxis Michael in stead of trying to convince me to come back to the church... ? You say that Mage is trolling this thread but it looks like a lot are trolling Mage also. A forum is for discussion you will have people with pro and contra arguments. I'm undecided about Christianity. I'm no longer pro but I'm also no longer contra, it's just not for me... but then again it does intrigue me (like any other religion/spiritual practice)

Perhaps you should respect other people's opinions too? Or just ignore them and post about your Catholic faith and practice...
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The reality is that if you put "Catholic" in the title of anything on the internet it will become a lightning rod for disaffected, demonically oppressed spiritual driftwood to vent their grievances and spit their anti-Christian venom. I say this acknowledging that until very recently I was that disaffected, oppressed spiritual driftwood, and I can look back and wonder what it was that drove me to post such infantile garbage.

Except I don't have to wonder because I now understand exactly what caused me to post such infantile garbage and spit such venom.

And ever since I was blessed with the sight to see what was truly causing my personal grief I was equally granted the ability to perceive this oppression in others. At first I called it infection but someone wiser than me showed me by example that even this recognition was uncharitable, and so I also now refer to all people inflicted with this influence as oppressed, including myself.

And when you are blessed with the sight to see it, then it really stands out as plain as the light of day. It's like being able to suddenly see in colour and realise why you and so many other people keep crashing at simple traffic light intersections. Suffice to say when the dreaded words Christian or Catholic are uttered and the instantaneous, uncontainable knee-jerk reaction of an onlooker is to decry Christ and the Church then...

...well let's just say I should be more charitable to Mage et al because I don't really believe that fundamentally it's his fault. He has bad influences around him and God is simply waiting for him to shed his pride and come home, as he waits for me to shed my pride and come home too, which I work towards day by day.

But I still entertain the dialogue because others entertained it while I was in error and in doing so opened the door far enough for Christ to jam his foot in and say "but what if...?" And maybe Mage has been sent here to test our patience, which he is doing an exceedingly good job of.

It falls to us to take a deep breath and turn our thoughts to God, because the oppressor's only job is to do the opposite. Mage cannot harm Christ or God or even any of us forum members. He can only incite us to harm ourselves.

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(09-20-2019 02:08 AM)Meliorare93 Wrote:  Yes I would like and appreciate it if they pray for me! If Zeus, Ganesh or even Allah has some spare time to pray for me I will appreciate that too Tongue Hey even Satan may pray for me, all is well... I'm no dualistic atheist.

Why not post something about your faith and praxis Michael in stead of trying to convince me to come back to the church... ? You say that Mage is trolling this thread but it looks like a lot are trolling Mage also. A forum is for discussion you will have people with pro and contra arguments. I'm undecided about Christianity. I'm no longer pro but I'm also no longer contra, it's just not for me... but then again it does intrigue me (like any other religion/spiritual practice)

Perhaps you should respect other people's opinions too? Or just ignore them and post about your Catholic faith and practice...

Well I'm Orthodox, not Roman Catholic, so I'm mainly on this thread defending the Catholics from false accusations against them and defending Christ against the demonic attacks that occultists impose upon their own souls and then project against Him. The Orthodox have our own issues with Roman Catholicism, but that doesn't make false accusations against them true or valid in some way. I'm happy to answer any and all questions about my faith and praxis, so if you have anything specific to ask then please feel free to do so. We also have a big Orthodox Church thread on this forum too if you're curious to see the differences between us and the Catholics, since a lot has been discussed over there.

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(09-19-2019 11:36 PM)Mage Wrote:  It's odd that you chose a convicted blasphemer, sabbath denier, rebellious anarchist and caller for violent uprising as your savior.

The whole reason Jesus was betrayed and ultimately executed was that he was not calling for a violent uprising.
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(09-20-2019 02:53 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  
(09-20-2019 02:08 AM)Meliorare93 Wrote:  Yes I would like and appreciate it if they pray for me! If Zeus, Ganesh or even Allah has some spare time to pray for me I will appreciate that too Tongue Hey even Satan may pray for me, all is well... I'm no dualistic atheist.

Why not post something about your faith and praxis Michael in stead of trying to convince me to come back to the church... ? You say that Mage is trolling this thread but it looks like a lot are trolling Mage also. A forum is for discussion you will have people with pro and contra arguments. I'm undecided about Christianity. I'm no longer pro but I'm also no longer contra, it's just not for me... but then again it does intrigue me (like any other religion/spiritual practice)

Perhaps you should respect other people's opinions too? Or just ignore them and post about your Catholic faith and practice...

Well I'm Orthodox, not Roman Catholic, so I'm mainly on this thread defending the Catholics from false accusations against them and defending Christ against the demonic attacks that occultists impose upon their own souls and then project against Him. The Orthodox have our own issues with Roman Catholicism, but that doesn't make false accusations against them true or valid in some way. I'm happy to answer any and all questions about my faith and praxis, so if you have anything specific to ask then please feel free to do so. We also have a big Orthodox Church thread on this forum too if you're curious to see the differences between us and the Catholics, since a lot has been discussed over there.

Aha I stand corrected was not aware... I don't have a lot of knowledge about the Orthodox faith. Would love to visit a mass one day, there's an orthodox church in my town, so perhaps I'll go one day, if they allow visitors that is.

I have the impression Orthodox branch seems purer then the Catholic branch, but like I said my knowledge of it is meagre compared to the Catholic faith. The iconic art produced by the Orthodox branch is quite beautiful!

I do have questions but I'll have a look in the Orthodox thread don't want to go too off topic here.
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(09-19-2019 11:36 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-19-2019 04:56 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It's odd that you chose a convicted murderer as your example of "on[e] of the best and most virtuous English speaking Pagans."

It's odd that you chose a convicted blasphemer, sabbath denier, rebellious anarchist and caller for violent uprising as your savior.

If you judge a man by his convictions, then just be a leftist and worship state as ultimate source of truth and justice.

LOL, now i know you know absolutely nothing about Jesus Christ. It's elementary school knowledge that he was against the Pharisee Jews, who corrupted the religion(while they were exiled to Babylon, they picked up pagan rituals). This is why these "new jews" did not accept Jesus Christ.

Get out with your pagan, WIGNAT nonsense before I report the rest of your post for antagonizing and contributing nothing to the topic at hand. Make your own thread.
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(09-19-2019 11:36 PM)Mage Wrote:  It's odd that you chose a convicted blasphemer, sabbath denier, rebellious anarchist and caller for violent uprising as your savior.

The whole reason Jesus was betrayed and ultimately executed was that he was not calling for a violent uprising.

Your reading comprehension is low.

Please see the context of the sentence you quoted from me.
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RE: The Catholic Church thread
(09-20-2019 08:54 AM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  LOL, now i know you know absolutely nothing about Jesus Christ. It's elementary school knowledge that he was against the Pharisee Jews, who corrupted the religion(while they were exiled to Babylon, they picked up pagan rituals). This is why these "new jews" did not accept Jesus Christ.

Your reading comprehension is low too.

You Christians are prone to take sentences so easily out of Context - no wonder you cannot agree on what is written in your Holy book.

(09-20-2019 08:54 AM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  Get out with your pagan, WIGNAT nonsense before I report the rest of your post for antagonizing and contributing nothing to the topic at hand. Make your own thread.

Had you integrity to read this discussion fro the start you would know that I contributed peacefully on how to recognioze a truly practicing Catholic form a nominal one - but Satan loving Christians like 911 and Leonard just have to attack me because of my profile pic and so the discussion derailed.

Please dear Christians - learn how to read. It's vital if you belong to religion based on text.

Also do no threaten me with just 12 post under your belt. Since Roosh's conversion and most guys fallowing the leader, I may disagree with majority of this forum on religious issue, but I still have contributed on the forum more then you on various issues then you enough over time. You are in no position to judge me here mr. Male Feminist. If established members like Leonard complain about me, so be it, but you shut up until you gain some reputation here.
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I forgive you for slandering me.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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damn phones.
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(09-20-2019 10:51 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I forgive you for slandering me.

I forgive you the same. I know you know not what you are doing.
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