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(10-03-2019 09:49 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Rosaries are one article where there is a lot of room for expression.

I actually advocate buying a really, really, nice one like this thing: https://www.catholic-collectibles.com/sp8wdcsp173.html


Not only are they good item to have in a family, but if you have one this pretty it both makes you want to use it more and attracts more interest from your kids/others.

Thanks! That is nice, and I guess I've found what my devout Catholic wife is getting for Christmas this year.

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Traditional Latin High mass today went 2 hours and 15 minutes today at my Church. It was the feast of the Holy Rosary.

The head of FSSP (Fraternal Society of Saint Peters) from Nebraska was there as a visiting Priest. 3 priests were doing the mass together, it was an extremely beautiful ceremony.

The visiting priest came on after the main homily. He mentioned some critical issues such as the Amazon Synod and islamic invasion of Europe, then said he would refrain from these topics given the complexity but was available outside the Church. He is on tour because FSSP needs money in North America to train their priests. There are currently 315 FSSP priests in North America, but a full 150+ Seminarians. I got a chance to talk to the visiting Priest after the mass. He said the Priests were joking about their demographic the other night, the one FSSP priest in his 40s was the elder priest. Average age of an FSSP Priest is 39, and probably going to be lower. It takes 6 years of seminary to train an FSSP priest, $30K/year. The seminarians are asked to contribute $7K(?) but it is not a requirement. He hinted that they are hopeful for FSSP expansion in Canada soon, but the announcement has not yet been made

It is my belief that it is inevitable we will be closing a lot of Catholic Churches in the coming years. The process has already begun. That said, what we Catholics need are more Priests. When you donate to the FSSP, the money goes to training a Traditional Latin Mass Priest, not to the Vatican. To me, if you are Catholic and wanting to help the Church this is the way to do it. The other option I like is specific Capital Projects at the Church as they are also free of Diocesan tax, but this won't help if the Church gets shut down, the pews ripped out, and turned into a mosque. Also, the Priest reminded us that donating and tithing is not an option, it is a requirement of being Catholic. Something to think about. Link:FSSP_Support

Note: The order operates across North America, not just in Canada.

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In Case anyone needs motivation, see below the Paganism happening at the Vatican as part of Amazon Synod



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Good video about what Vatican 2 did to the church:




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(10-09-2019 02:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Good video about what Vatican 2 did to the church:




Regarding the demolition at the beginning of the video...there is a Extraordinary Rite (Latin) parish that is run by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest in my town. It was originally an ethnically Polish parish with beautiful eastern-style artwork, stained glass, a stunningly ornate marble sanctuary space and Altar, etc. When Vatican 2 came around (before CtKSP was involved) they literally took sledge hammers to the stained glass, sacred furnishings, etc. in an effort to diminish the beauty.

Well, the Latin Rite parish (mostly populated by young people) has been working on restoring the original architecture, windows, and so on. They are almost complete, with visible work to the exterior facade being completed now. It's a nice reversal story that, I think, demonstrates there is hope even amidst the darkness.
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(10-09-2019 02:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Good video about what Vatican 2 did to the church:

A worthwhile video, but definitely on the inflammatory side.

Essentially it is taking the most sacrilegious things that happened in Novus Ordu (New Mass) and following Vatican II across an entire continent. These things are enraging but they do not reflect in any way the 'new mass', but the far boundaries.

The Video discusses Pope Paul VI who presided over Vatican 2. This is a critical inflection point for Roman Catholics. If they believe that things are the same as always, and that the Church did not take a large directional change for the negative here, they are mistaken. There is a serious possibility that this Pope was a Mason.

Note that Pope Paul I, who succeeded him died very quickly after becoming Pope.
Quote:Tridentine Mass[edit]
According to the Catholic Traditionalist Movement, their founder Fr. Gommar DePauw was to have gone to Rome to help John Paul I reestablish the Tridentine Mass.[25]
[Fr. DePauw] stated on the 15th anniversary of the pope’s death: “Well, I tell you one thing, if he had remained Pope, you wouldn’t have me here at the Chapel because with that beautiful official letter signed by the Secretary of State, also came an unofficial message that I better start packing my suitcase, that there was a job waiting for me in Rome, in the Vatican, to help Pope John Paul I bring the Truth back to the Church. Well, it wasn’t to be and the Lord, Who knows what He does, obviously wanted me to be in this Chapel. … What was I going to do in Rome? Well let’s just forget it.”
Other prominent Traditionalist Catholic websites, not related to CTM, have suggested John Paul I may have been assassinated to prevent restoration of the Tridentine Mass.[26][27] I thought Wikipedia would know to edit this out

Then we had John Paul II, who kissed the Quran among a whole host of other things. JP 2 in my opinion was a modernist. He supported Humanae Vitae (no contraception), but on a practical level didn't enforce. Remember that JP2 also excommunicated Cardinal Lefebvre and the SSPX. While not overtly shutting down the latin mass, he was by no means a strong supporter.

Next we have Pope Benedict. Who in his time affirmed the Latin Mass, and also brought SSPX back into the fold from excommunication. Suddenly, we have a Pope who in good health and mind even now, gives up his Papacy for the first time since 1415. He disappears and is hanging around some sanctuary outside the Vatican. I am not sure what happened here, but fishy to say the least. Although very orthodox in teaching, it doesn't seem at this moment that he is/was the hero we needed, but it seems like he perhaps was not 'in' on the plan, or 'with' them.

Then he is replaced by Pope Francis who we know is the worst yet. I heard recently that he was in very good health.

Also, we should remember Pius X and other Popes prior who warned fervently against Modernism and Masonry. Who said that these were entering into the Church.

To me there are 2 main things unique to our present day that Catholics must do in addition to obedience:

Marian Apparitions
Our Lady of Fatima is the most critical. The order is to Pray the Rosary every day. If you are a practicing Catholic and do not know this apparition, or the fact there were 70,000 witnesses to a miracle in 1917. This included accounts neutral observers, masons, atheists, who came to mock. I am unsure what other sects say about these apparitions, particularly Orthodox, whether they deny they happened or simply view this as unimportant. As a Catholic, you do not have to believe in these apparitions, as the faith is enough, but these are investigated and approved. We have been given the apparitions, and specific instructions from our Lady on how to navigate this. Also, while @Roosh believes Vatican 2 is the cause, consider that Russia was not consecrated properly to her immaculate heart as instructed, and that the 3rd apparition was not revealed in 1960 as per her instructions. There are many Marian Apparitions which predict things that are so eerie in their accuracy they give Faith to someone struggling. Also see Our Lady of Guadaloupe, and Our Lady of Akita in 1973 which seems connected to Fatima.

Traditional Latin Mass
We can be obedient to the Church and still celebrate mass properly and try to bring others in. I have been going to a Traditional Mass for about 3 months + and went to a New Mass with my Mother recently. I can say that the difference was shocking. To me the key is more in showing the solemnity of the old mass, additional prayers, alignment to the sacrifice then trashing Novus Ordu overtly. Most of the Laity thinks they are just following the Priesthood and being obedient. This is a great video which slowly walks through all the reasons why the Traditional Mass is more holy. I recently took a Catholic guy living here in Ottawa, and he told me afterwards over lunch ' this is the real mass and I want to learn it'.



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(10-06-2019 06:14 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  Traditional Latin High mass today went 2 hours and 15 minutes today at my Church. It was the feast of the Holy Rosary.

The head of FSSP (Fraternal Society of Saint Peters) from Nebraska was there as a visiting Priest. 3 priests were doing the mass together, it was an extremely beautiful ceremony.

The visiting priest came on after the main homily. He mentioned some critical issues such as the Amazon Synod and islamic invasion of Europe, then said he would refrain from these topics given the complexity but was available outside the Church. He is on tour because FSSP needs money in North America to train their priests. There are currently 315 FSSP priests in North America, but a full 150+ Seminarians. I got a chance to talk to the visiting Priest after the mass. He said the Priests were joking about their demographic the other night, the one FSSP priest in his 40s was the elder priest. Average age of an FSSP Priest is 39, and probably going to be lower. It takes 6 years of seminary to train an FSSP priest, $30K/year. The seminarians are asked to contribute $7K(?) but it is not a requirement. He hinted that they are hopeful for FSSP expansion in Canada soon, but the announcement has not yet been made

It is my belief that it is inevitable we will be closing a lot of Catholic Churches in the coming years. The process has already begun. That said, what we Catholics need are more Priests. When you donate to the FSSP, the money goes to training a Traditional Latin Mass Priest, not to the Vatican. To me, if you are Catholic and wanting to help the Church this is the way to do it. The other option I like is specific Capital Projects at the Church as they are also free of Diocesan tax, but this won't help if the Church gets shut down, the pews ripped out, and turned into a mosque. Also, the Priest reminded us that donating and tithing is not an option, it is a requirement of being Catholic. Something to think about. Link:FSSP_Support

Note: The order operates across North America, not just in Canada.

Is this a different church that Fraternite Saint Pie X in France ( Lefevriste movement ) or a north-american extension ?
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(10-10-2019 04:01 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Is this a different church that Fraternite Saint Pie X in France ( Lefevriste movement ) or a north-american extension ?

SSPX, FSSP are both part of the Roman Catholic Church. Anyone going to these masses, can go to a New Mass and receive sacraments and visa versa. Although i get the feeling usually the tridentine mass trads stay put. I went to Novus Ordu (New Mass) recently and it was tough.

They have locations in France, we actually have a training Priest sent to us from France.
Here are their locations, they are actually more present in Europe than North America: FSSP Locations

This group did split from SSPX and stayed loyal to the Pope during the excommunication during the JP2 era. I had a recent post on the "tell me about your church" thread trying to explain this SSPX FSSP Split. There was some tension between the two groups at that time, but I'm new so not really sure if it's still there.

I learned today that there is another TLM group called the Institute of Christ the King operating in USA. Institute of Christ the King - TLM

When looking for a traditional latin (tridentine) mass be aware that there are some that are 'Sedevacante', which means empty Papal Seat. Basically, they are practicing the traditional faith outside of Communion with Rome. I am cautious about them at this point as I can still go to the mass locally in and in Communion with Rome, but have heard good things also, and understand their viewpoint.

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That's interesting; I didn't realize the excommunication of the SSPX had been lifted. In my hometown they're still treated as schismatics and aren't allowed to commune at the canonical Tridentine Mass. There's a handful who have changed teams a couple times between regular Latin Mass and SSPX Latin Mass, being received into the opposing parish by confession each time they make up their mind.
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Good Breakdown on French Revolution from a Catholic Perspective.

With so much emphasis on WW2, it is interesting to see the absolute sacrilege, violence, and debauchery of the times. Napoleon is shown as an archetype of the Antichrist.

Part 1 - Lead up to, and the Revolution




Part 2 - Napoleon



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Subvenite Sancti Dei

Quote:Sung upon the entrance of the funeral processing into the church, an invocation of the heavenly hosts to present the departed to the most high God.




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Really enjoying these YouTube sermons by Father Jonathan Meyers.




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