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Scientist plan to play God by killing off mosquitoes spectacularly fails
They actually may have made the mosquitoes more resistant to traditional control methods.

Quote:An experimental trial to reduce the mosquito population in Brazil through the deliberate release of 450,000 genetically modified mosquitoes has failed miserably and may have even created a genetic hybrid super species.
British biotech company Oxitec conducted a 27-month long experiment in 2013 Jacobina, Brazil, aimed at reducing the local mosquito population by 90 percent while preserving the genetic integrity of the local insect population.

The overall goal was to curb the spread of mosquito-borne diseases, such as yellow fever, dengue, chikungunya, and Zika, by releasing half a million OX513A mosquitoes. The insects are a genetically-modified version of the Aedes aegypti mosquito, which combined a breed from Mexico with a breed from Cuba.

The mosquitoes were supposed to contain a dominant lethal gene that would render the first generation of future offspring infertile (while also marking them with a fluorescent green protein gene). Well, as it often does, life found a way.

“The claim was that genes from the release strain would not get into the general population because offspring would die,”said ecologist and evolutionary biologist Jeffrey Powell who conducted a recent study into the efficacy and success of the GM mosquito trial. “That obviously was not what happened.”

The original Oxitec research suggested that just three to four percent of the “infertile” offspring would survive into adulthood and would be too weak to reproduce anyway. These predictions were wrong. Very wrong.

Anywhere from 10 to 60 percent of the mosquitoes analyzed by Powell and his team featured genomes tainted by OX513A. While the scheme apparently worked initially, with a dramatic reduction in the population, it would later completely backfire around the 18-month mark, returning the number of mosquitoes in the area to pre-release levels.

The female population, it turns out, opted not to mate with the weaker, genetically-modified mosquitoes anyway, in a phenomenon known as “mating discrimination,” according to Powell and his team.

Some genetically-modified mosquitoes even showed signs of “hybrid vigor” in which the artificially-introduced genetic diversity actually made the mosquitoes stronger and more resilient, with the possibility of increased resistance to insecticides, Powell and his co-authors warned.

However, an Oxitec spokesperson claims the research contains “numerous false, speculative and unsubstantiated claims and statements about Oxitec’s mosquito technology” claiming instead, in a three-page document, that the paper did not identify any “negative, deleterious or unanticipated effect to people or the environment from the release of OX513A mosquitoes.”

Oxitec also disputes the claim about “mating discrimination” saying it has never occurred in any release of an estimated total of one billion Oxitec male mosquitoes released worldwide.

https://www.rt.com/news/468981-genetical...backfires/

Phew, I'm really glad they don't use such population control tactics on humans or else we'd be inferior versions of our ancestors.

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What if the truth was more like: "biotech companies conducted an experiment in 2013 in (crime-infested and bankrupt) northern Bahia state of Brazil, aimed at reducing the local mosquito population by 90 percent".
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So even female mosquitoes won't mate with weak beta male mosquitoes? razz
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They don't need to, since they can suck out the blood of any random passerby instead of their husband.

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Genetic power is the most awesome force the planet's ever seen, but you wield it like a kid that's found his dad's gun.
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Los Angeles was having a major fruit fly issue due to the amount of produce being imported. They ended up air dropping millions of sterile male fruit flies over the LA basin. It essentially created a male fly sausage fest and the females wasted their eggs on sterile males. It worked.
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Or just think, they could spray DDT again...
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This story could be an analogy of the western world. If we could study our current timeline from 1950 to 2150, it might look very similar to the study of these mosquitoes.
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"I'm Nature's Mosquito" by Jonathan Richman already tackled this topic from both a philosophical and religious viewpoint in 1979.



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Messing with insects, what could go wrong?

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Quote:Anywhere from 10 to 60 percent of the mosquitoes analyzed by Powell and his team featured genomes tainted by OX513A. While the scheme apparently worked initially, with a dramatic reduction in the population, it would later completely backfire around the 18-month mark, returning the number of mosquitoes in the area to pre-release levels.

So the company has a product that works, but also needs to be repeated every year. Sounds like this was the plan all along.
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No man, that isn't how it works. The chemical was effective enough to wipe out 90% of the mosquitos. The 10% that survive are resistant to whatever bugkiller was used. They continue to breed more mosquitos that are also resistant to the bugkiller.

Then we have to come up with a new bugkiller. And if the company that came up with the original bugkiller doesn't have an answer for the super mosquitoes, (either this generation or in a year or 2 or whenever) then the mosquito population and whatever diseases that come with it(malaria) will be much much worse.

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All this is the consequence of atheist/monotheist view that nature has no mind of it's own and can be manipulated.

Nature is smarter then we think and "Nature always finds a way". Humans should try to respect nature more and try to live accordingly to nature more rather then to impose their invented own order on nature. Humans do not possess enough cunning to outwit nature. All they can do is harm both themselves and nature with their foolhardy attempts to correct that which needs no correction.
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They need to empower the female mosquitoes by getting them into careers that dangle financial security just beyond the life of their reproductive cycle.

(09-19-2019 02:22 AM)Mage Wrote:  All this is the consequence of atheist/monotheist view that nature has no mind of it's own and can be manipulated.

Nature is smarter then we think and "Nature always finds a way". Humans should try to respect nature more and try to live accordingly to nature more rather then to impose their invented own order on nature. Humans do not possess enough cunning to outwit nature. All they can do is harm both themselves and nature with their foolhardy attempts to correct that which needs no correction.

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Hilarious and not surprising. The current monocultures and mass-spraying has huge side-effects sometimes wiping out the top-soil and creating at times super-weeds that take over entire fields.

Stalin did also some stupid experiments like killing off scores of birds in order to prevent them from eating the harvest which resulted in the multiplication of insects which resulted in famines.

Even now - the US government is killing countless birds for some bogus reasons. I would not be surprised if they also start fires in other areas.

PETA for example does the opposite of what everyone thinks - they murder animals as soon as they catch them. Only small grass-roots rescues do what they pretend to do and find homes for stray animals.

As for mosquitos - there are ancient methods of dealing with those pests - mostly in concerns landsaping and just removing their breeding places to a high degree. Humanity has long since known how to do this, but this takes greater resolve and cooperation of a society then I guess releasing hybrid mosquitos ordered at some company that is usually busy thinking about how to kill useless eaters slowly.
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Mage, let's get something straight here. The biggest threats to humanity are the smallest organisms. Should we not have tried to kill off polio or smallpox? Plagues have caused more deaths than probably all wars combined. We've just forgotten about this because it's been so long since we've had a true epidemic rather than a controlled scare. Mosquitos are part of this threat. EEE has been creeping near in the Northeast and there has been spraying up into my town (just not right in my property yet). I don't like the spraying but sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils. Genetic warfare like this has the promise of doing the job without using dangerous chemicals so I support it. Living in complete harmony with nature is only good if you want to live a life that's nasty, brutish, and SHORT. We've been manipulating nature for about 10,000 years (the neolithic revolution) or earlier if you consider animal domestication. Every aspect of our lives depends on this manipulation whether we're aware of it or not. None of us are in any position to get holier than thou.
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(09-20-2019 10:35 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Mage, let's get something straight here. The biggest threats to humanity are the smallest organisms. Should we not have tried to kill off polio or smallpox? Plagues have caused more deaths than probably all wars combined. We've just forgotten about this because it's been so long since we've had a true epidemic rather than a controlled scare. Mosquitos are part of this threat. EEE has been creeping near in the Northeast and there has been spraying up into my town (just not right in my property yet). I don't like the spraying but sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils. Genetic warfare like this has the promise of doing the job without using dangerous chemicals so I support it. Living in complete harmony with nature is only good if you want to live a life that's nasty, brutish, and SHORT. We've been manipulating nature for about 10,000 years (the neolithic revolution) or earlier if you consider animal husbandry. Every aspect of our lives depends on this manipulation whether we're aware of it or not. None of us are in any position to get holier than thou.

This is a materialistic worldview.

Human life was not short in past. If you survived childhood you had as good chance to reach hundred as now.

In truth we need diseases for some genetic culling.

Death of individuals is not a big deal - we all reincarnate so we live again, but with diseases our species gets stronger.

Lack of natural selection trough immune system will lead to most of humanity degenerating to such levels that in few generations time we will NEED genetic engineering to survive, because immune systems will be so weak, presently harmless bacteria will be deadly to most people.

Among things to go first will be eyesight - after a hundred years or so nearly all our progeny will need glasses, probably with aid from augmented reality to even see at any useful distance. Some youngest of us will witness this surely.

Either we reach AI, let it rule over us, and get ourselves into another level of matrix or we learn to escape the current matrix by re-discovering proper spirituality and rebuild our civilization around science of reincarnation. These are the only two long term options. Third option is some technogenic or solargenic catastrophe that brings us back to stone age but that is temporary remedy until civilization reconstructs after a few hundreds or thousands of years.


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Did you just say SCIENCE of reincarnation?

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(09-20-2019 10:35 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Mage, let's get something straight here. The biggest threats to humanity are the smallest organisms. Should we not have tried to kill off polio or smallpox? Plagues have caused more deaths than probably all wars combined. We've just forgotten about this because it's been so long since we've had a true epidemic rather than a controlled scare. Mosquitos are part of this threat. EEE has been creeping near in the Northeast and there has been spraying up into my town (just not right in my property yet). I don't like the spraying but sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils. Genetic warfare like this has the promise of doing the job without using dangerous chemicals so I support it. Living in complete harmony with nature is only good if you want to live a life that's nasty, brutish, and SHORT. We've been manipulating nature for about 10,000 years (the neolithic revolution) or earlier if you consider animal domestication. Every aspect of our lives depends on this manipulation whether we're aware of it or not. None of us are in any position to get holier than thou.

Eh - the viral scare is bogus. We all have still all plagues inside of us and they were caused by other metrics than virae. The black plague has resurfaced recently in California. I could quote leading medical journals which clearly state that the mortality has been reduced not via vaccines or antibiotics, but via clean water, year-long high-quality food availability, heating and hygiene. The next part is mainly good prenatal care, early childcare.

We manipulated nature for sure and bending our will to nature, creating civilization is that kind of manipulation. And if we can produce a more bening version of mosquitos, then this can be beneficial. The issue I have with the current system is:

1) It's negative, purely profit and death-driven and not for the benefit of the majority since the elite have a depopulation agenda
2) The current genetic modification is ridiculously primitive. Most don't know that the majority of most applied experiments are more akin to superhero-comics - blasting an organism with some kind of radiation and then looking what happens. Then those organism are hardly tested in real life and it ends the way it ended here.

So genetic modification may be fine - but until you can surgically go into the genome and for example at will create a 150-IQ Adonis 6"4 human with green eyes, then you are not going to be able to produce a mosquito that is sexually dominant, but also for some reason is disgusted with human blood. Come back when you are at that level.

Oh - and smallpox was eradicated by the 4 factors of water, food, hygiene and polio was simple paralysis caused mostly by DDT during summer - the majority done by ingesting sprayed fruits and veggies. As soon as DDT was phased out, so did polio disappear - also treatment was wrong with the iron lungs. In a way humanity "wiped out polio" after humanity first caused polio. The same with smallpox - date from 19th century villages show that vaccination increased - even doubled - the number of smallpox cases. Clean water, food and hygiene eradicated those diseases. And if things continue down the path as in California, then smallpox and the black plague will come back.

And genetic manipulation - I am actually for it, but at much later stages and done by ethical sane people who have good intentions for the majority. Both elements are lacking in our times.
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(09-20-2019 11:33 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Did you just say SCIENCE of reincarnation?

Currently such a science doesn't exist, because you cannot add an instrument to observe reincarnation to the so called "five senses". I put it in quotes because five senses is a misnomer. Actually materialist science only believes on observations that can be translated trough whatever instruments into reception by visual sight, nothing more.

It is apparent that our Pagan ancestors due to extended senses that come from living a natural lifestyle, had knowledge how to incarnate into specific bodies and also how to recognize the new person as incarnation of that or another person. Obviously such knowledge is now generally lost with the last surviving examples probably being Dalai lama of Tibet and even this might be the last time he gets recognized.

If humanity ever hopes to escape the materialist technocratic paradigm, that knowledge will have to be remembered or rediscovered.
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Funny how the religious allegories about playing God and Darwinian natural selection producing adaptations to thwart technology end up at the same conclusion.
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(09-20-2019 10:55 AM)Mage Wrote:  In truth we need diseases for some genetic culling.

I kind of knew you'd go into noble-savage territory. We clearly don't see eye to eye hence there's probably nowhere for this debate to go.

(09-20-2019 10:55 AM)Mage Wrote:  Death of individuals is not a big deal

It's easy for you to feel this way when it's purely an abstract concept. You'd feel different if you were the one dying from an otherwise treatable disease.

Point being that some of the most strident neo-primitivists are those who will probably never be in a position to put their money where their mouths are. Kind of reminds me of the attitude of the song Common People. Idealizing the salt of the earth from a position of superiority. The grass is always greener.

Don't get me wrong. Our manipulation of the environment has had some serious downsides, but it's not a black or white proposition. We've opened up pandora's box and there's no other way forward than to just be wiser about how we do it rather than trying to close that box which just ain't gonna happen.
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This is the paradox at the heart of all technique, of which technology is but one aspect: like Icarus, the wings allow us to fly but in doing so also bring us close to the sun, melting them and leading us to fall to our death. Without the wings he wouldn't fly, but he also wouldn't fall.

Every power technique provides, makes us both stronger and weaker in equal measure.

Writing enabled complex ideas to be fully thought out, while destroying our capacity to memorize. Socrates, for example, thought that a truly intelligent person had to have knowledge committed to memory, writing it down being a form of weak mindedness - and of course on the other hand we know this because his disciple, Plato, wrote down all he said.

And so it goes with every individual example.

For a long time our societies, because they weren't oriented solely to efficiency, were able to deal fairly well with this paradox and limited the applications of technique - limiting both its benefits, but also its detriments. Since materialism has taken hold, we have lost that nuance, and thus are thrown head first into every development - but the paradox still remains, and given the acceleration, we will see it play out more vividly where before it would take decades or even centuries. Buckle up.

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