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Eat a lot of high quality beef and eggs. Eat coconut oil, macadamia nuts, almonds and cashews. Eat a good amount of colorful vegetables. Eat high fiber/low GI fruits like berries. Eat a modest amount of dairy if you tolerate it well. If you work out at high intensity, eat white rice or potatoes on the days you exercise. If you're craving a treat, eat a little bit of dark chocolate. Avoid all sugary foods except on special occasions.

Don't make diet and nutrition more complicated than they need to be. Don't fall victim to fads and propaganda. Just eat minimally processed whole foods that your ancestors would have eaten, which includes a lot of animal products but also fruits and vegetables as well. The assertion that meat is bad is a political and moral statement, not a nutritional one. Don't be fooled.

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You can get away with living on a vegetarian diet while covering your nutrients/maintaining a decent physique, but going vegan makes life tough, especially if you're busy. Everyone's different, and if it tugs at the heart strings too much to eat meat, fair enough, but I would consider hunting before going vegetarian. The animal lives a full life in the wild prior to becoming your food. Plus it is far healthier than most store bought meat. If that isn't an option, your body can still thrive as a vegetarian. The fats from eggs and dairy are key. The main issue will be replacing the all round nutrients found in red meat. Perhaps even being vegetarian for 6 days a week, and allowing a big steak on a Sunday.
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(09-22-2019 01:41 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Hey folks, I just watched a documentary called Diet Fiction. It was basically vegan propaganda, but they made what seemed like solid points. I've also noticed over both of the past two years that during the 47 days of Lent/Holy Week, when I'm vegan for the entire course of that season, I inevitably feel great and don't get so much as a sniffle - but then when I go back to a regular diet, I start getting colds and feeling full and bloated again. I haven't done that kind of diet long-term though, so I was curious if anyone here has experimented with a long-term plant-based diet and if so, what the results were like for you.

Just for reference, I'm 32, about 6 feet tall, 177 pounds, with a normal BMI and all my lab and test results show me being in the right range for all the various things people track.

Eating a high-quality diet cured me. I have two siblings with autoimmune disease. I was heading in the same direction with low energy, brain fog, and difficulty concentrating. I ate the Standard American Diet (SAD) of processed foods and heavy meat. Doctors were useless. After a few years of increasing misery, I hired a board certified nutritionist. She helped me more in a few weeks than multiple doctors had helped me in a few years.

I filled out a 20-page questionnaire. She immediately declared me gluten and dairy intolerant. I also gave up all processed foods and all sugar, except for fruit and dark chocolate. I felt immensely better in just a few weeks. I began eating a raw mostly organic salad everyday for lunch with just a few ounces of high-quality meat, which I have now continued for about five years. I lost thirty pounds and kept the weight off.

Any fruit or vegetable listed on "The Dirty Dozen" I buy organic. I eat only grass-fed beef and I eat pork only once or twice a week. My big weakness are those convenient whole-roasted chickens that sell for $5. I have not made the switch to healthy chicken yet, but once you detoxify your body it can handle a low level of bad-food stress.

https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php

Eating a mostly plant-based diet (fruits and vegetables) with just a few ounces of meat worked well for me. I also did a candida cleanse, eliminated most toxins from the house (switched to natural hygiene and household cleaning products), did some mediation for stress, and developed a sleep hygiene routine. On a scale of 1-10, my health went from a 5 to a 9 (with 10 being perfect health) over the course of about four years. I seldom get a cold or the flu. I went back to weight training and even run HIIT sprints. In hindsight, my Standard American Diet of processed foods, poor quality meat, and very little fruits and vegetables was literally killing me.
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(09-24-2019 12:17 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  Even if a all animal diet isn't perfect for everyone, everyone should at least try it

that's the stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard.
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(09-24-2019 09:06 PM)thranco Wrote:  
(09-24-2019 12:17 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  Even if a all animal diet isn't perfect for everyone, everyone should at least try it

that's the stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard.

Thanks for providing a reason. Looks like you're off to a great start on the forum, you'll have the coveted strike through your name in no time!
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(09-24-2019 01:01 PM)BBinger Wrote:  ...
In pursuit of maximum yields and absolute lowest costs, all fields of agriculture in the US engage in environmentally awful behavior. Concentrated animal feeding operations in the US and Brazil are biohazard incubators, but this sort of bad behavior is strictly optional.

On the other hand cows and sheep grown eating grass in pasture is great for the envrionment, but it is labor intensive. Corporate spreadsheet wizards would rather dump tons of glyphosate to keep soybeans alive because the entire soybean lifecycle can be handled by machines.
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This is the state of the US food system in a nutshell. Like everything in corporate America, food is just another vehicle for increasing shareholder value. In other words, driving down costs as much as possible while disregarding any externalities. Who cares about public health when the annual meeting is right around the corner? Need that +0.7% on the cover of the 10K!

I've also noticed as the population of a nation goes up, the quality of food tends to go down. Take China and the US as examples. When feeding groups that range from a few hundred million to just over a billion, food production companies go into mass manufacturing mode, and all notion of quality is thrown out the window in the name of quantity. I've found that small countries with stable agricultural industries tend to have the best quality food (I.e Uruguay, Switzerland). Affordable, quality food is possible to produce on a mass scale, but it's not in shareholder interests so it likely won't happen.
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Jayden Smith was forcibly taken off his vegan diet that he went on a few years ago:





Also in 2 ex-vegan interviews I saw the women talked about some public vegans who were very dishonest in their diet. Especially the healthy looking ones like to gorge regularly on fish and meat in private, but are officially married to the hip with their business.

Otherwise they often begin to look like ghouls with sunken eyes and various other symptoms - after a while you see them replicated clearly:





And the ones who stick to the diet religiously are the worst. Obviously as some here noted - if you alternate and go one week vegan, one week paleo, then this does not matter. You are neither vegan nor paleo, but just cut out most highly industrialized food.
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You're feeling better because you're fasting more and not eating as heavy of a carbohydrate diet.

Too much to type but TLDR- going heavy on plants and fruits nearly gave me "Barret's esophagus", caused me to constantly bloat and have bad acne issues amongst other things. Switching to 90% animal product diet has caused my digestion to remarkably improve, sleep better, significantly reduce brainfog, reduce bloat, strengthen my teeth/made them whiter.

Check out this dude
https://digestivehealthinstitute.org/fast-tract-diet/

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https://www.shawn-baker.com/
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(09-25-2019 02:33 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  Too much to type but TLDR- going heavy on plants and fruits nearly gave me "Barret's esophagus", caused me to constantly bloat and have bad acne issues amongst other things.

Same, cruciferous veggies and alot of high sugar fruits messed me up... unhealthy gut, gas, bloating, constipation and acne.

(09-23-2019 10:37 AM)JayR Wrote:  This well-nourished dude (Nimai Delgado) has never tasted meat in his entire life (he's 30 now):

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This dude developed his physique thanks to dairy, eggs, and other animal products.

Also another redpill about vegan body builders:

(11-03-2018 04:23 PM)eL-JJ Wrote:  
(11-03-2018 01:53 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Correct, it's always the same story with this young vegan bodybuilders.

Quote: In 2015, Nimai decided to transition from being a vegetarian to vegan. He cut out all of the dairy, eggs, and other animal products from his diet to become a 100% vegan.
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One effect that is underrated is the fact that simply changing your diet in a major way - in any major way - produces short-term feelings of well-being which clouds your judgement. I personally have felt great switching to vegetarian and to carnivore, at different times. Over time things move back to baseline. That's why a more scientific approach is needed.

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< Correct - the muscular bloke above was vegetarian. If you are one of the world's 40% and metabolize milk well, then raw milk is a super-food that gives you all the nutrients you need. It's a pretty complete food. But keep in mind - the majority of the world cannot digest milk well and you cannot build everything on eggs alone. Though it's funny that many ex-vegans later report on dreaming about eggs often - dreaming about eating them.

And on top if it - some bodybuilder went into the Game-changer propaganda flic - 2 of the ones were actually competitive on a vegan diet and they both got severe injuries within 1 year after going full vegan. One hasn't even returned and this also fits with ex-vegan accounts as athletes fell apart faster. One competitive runner who was 18 suddenly had multiple injuries with a span of 4 months after going vegan. The more nutrients your lifestyle or sports require, the faster you fall apart.

As for Nimai Delgago - that guy is roided up for sure and if he does not fall apart quickly as a vegan, then he certainly cheats. He also grew up vegetarian which is possible on raw milk.
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(09-24-2019 06:59 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(09-22-2019 01:41 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Hey folks, I just watched a documentary called Diet Fiction. It was basically vegan propaganda, but they made what seemed like solid points. I've also noticed over both of the past two years that during the 47 days of Lent/Holy Week, when I'm vegan for the entire course of that season, I inevitably feel great and don't get so much as a sniffle - but then when I go back to a regular diet, I start getting colds and feeling full and bloated again. I haven't done that kind of diet long-term though, so I was curious if anyone here has experimented with a long-term plant-based diet and if so, what the results were like for you.

Just for reference, I'm 32, about 6 feet tall, 177 pounds, with a normal BMI and all my lab and test results show me being in the right range for all the various things people track.

Eating a high-quality diet cured me. I have two siblings with autoimmune disease. I was heading in the same direction with low energy, brain fog, and difficulty concentrating. I ate the Standard American Diet (SAD) of processed foods and heavy meat. Doctors were useless. After a few years of increasing misery, I hired a board certified nutritionist. She helped me more in a few weeks than multiple doctors had helped me in a few years.

I filled out a 20-page questionnaire. She immediately declared me gluten and dairy intolerant. I also gave up all processed foods and all sugar, except for fruit and dark chocolate. I felt immensely better in just a few weeks. I began eating a raw mostly organic salad everyday for lunch with just a few ounces of high-quality meat, which I have now continued for about five years. I lost thirty pounds and kept the weight off.

Any fruit or vegetable listed on "The Dirty Dozen" I buy organic. I eat only grass-fed beef and I eat pork only once or twice a week. My big weakness are those convenient whole-roasted chickens that sell for $5. I have not made the switch to healthy chicken yet, but once you detoxify your body it can handle a low level of bad-food stress.

https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php

Eating a mostly plant-based diet (fruits and vegetables) with just a few ounces of meat worked well for me. I also did a candida cleanse, eliminated most toxins from the house (switched to natural hygiene and household cleaning products), did some mediation for stress, and developed a sleep hygiene routine. On a scale of 1-10, my health went from a 5 to a 9 (with 10 being perfect health) over the course of about four years. I seldom get a cold or the flu. I went back to weight training and even run HIIT sprints. In hindsight, my Standard American Diet of processed foods, poor quality meat, and very little fruits and vegetables was literally killing me.

Most sensible post in this thread so far.

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(09-23-2019 03:15 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  My diet's probably slightly better than average for an American, which is admittedly not saying much. Being Orthodox means I'm vegan just under half the year so that helps me offset it. My diet is pretty carb and bread heavy, and one or two times per week I'll have something like a burger or California burrito. My alcohol intake is negligible, and I don't do any drugs or take any pills (though I took enough Prednisone to kill a small horse last year when my allergies were at their worst). Usually a bagel with cream cheese in the morning, a bag of steamed vegetables later in the day, a protein shake, and a protein bar or two. Lately I've been smothering a tortilla with peanut butter, loading it up with vegetables and rolling it into some kind of veggie/PB burrito for breakfast or dinner, and other times I'll do the same but replace the veggies with nuts of various kinds (like a handful or two of trail mix for example). I don't regularly eat steak (outside the burgers/Cali burritos) or fish. So yeah, a lot of room for improvement but better than a lot of what I see other people eating. I drink zero soda (in fact I've never had a can or bottle of soda in my life, I've only had it with mixed drinks).

Since you tried the vegan diet, why not go in the opposite direction and ditch all the carbs and dairy and peanut butter, and just stick with high quality beef and fish and eggs plus the occasional green veggies and some healthy fats like avocados and olive oil?

I'll bet you'll feel just as good, if not better, than when you go full vegan.

And if you absolutely must follow the Orthodox fasting schedule, then lean into it and barely eat anything (suffer a little), rather than eating bagels and cream cheese (which is pretty much the same as fast food).
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Quote: I haven't done that kind of diet long-term though, so I was curious if anyone here has experimented with a long-term plant-based diet and if so, what the results were like for you.

So far, looks like I'm the only person qualified to answer OP's question.

As far as Delgado being on 'roids (probably true -- so?), building his physique on dairy until four years ago, or cheating/lying about his diet -- I guess rationalizations like this can disqualify every example, so no point in debating further.

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The best Anti-vegan video you can watch:





Useful podcast:

https://podcastnotes.org/2019/04/20/masterjohn/

Key Takeaways
Clams, liver, and oysters are very high in vitamin B12
Over 90% of vegans are deficient in vitamin B12
Due to genetic reasons in how certain molecules are converted from plant foods, vegans are more likely to be Vitamin A deficient
The best sources of zinc are oysters, beef, and cheese
“You’re way more likely to become zinc deficient if you’re not eating animal products and you are eating a lot of plant products”
The number one source of riboflavin is liver followed by kidney, heart, and almonds
If you are vegan, perhaps consider still allowing yourself to eat something like oysters due to their high nutritional content

Mental Health and Vegan/Vegetarian Diets
“We can see in the literature that veganism and vegetarianism are strongly associated with mental disorders – especially anxiety, depression, and panic attacks”
“There are definitely indications that vegetarianism and veganism is probably making people less resilient to mental stresses and more likely to have mental problems”
“I think that you could make a very strong case for a general population that they’re nutrients in animal products that are very important for mental health”
Like Vitamin B12"

Click on link for rest of the notes
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Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'm going to take the balanced approach of sticking to mostly plant-based whole foods with a little bit of quality meat, rather than going full-vegan, as well as reducing my non-fruit sugar intake as far as possible. No more delicious Yerba Mate for me, looks like it's gonna be black coffee from here on out.

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(09-25-2019 02:27 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  No more delicious Yerba Mate for me, looks like it's gonna be black coffee from here on out.

Sugar doesn't belong anywhere near Mate. Hot water over leaves with powder in a seasoned gourd.
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(09-25-2019 03:02 PM)BBinger Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 02:27 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  No more delicious Yerba Mate for me, looks like it's gonna be black coffee from here on out.

Sugar doesn't belong anywhere near Mate. Hot water over leaves with powder in a seasoned gourd.

True, but the ones I usually get are the Guayaki cans in the fridge at work. I've had genuine Mate, with a gaucho in Chile, but sometimes I just go for what's convenient.

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Okay I have extensive experience with this so this post will be a bit long-winded, but I will try to be as succinct as I can because I don't like scrolling through pages of text either.

These diet fads are a Hegelian pendulum of dialectical nonsense. The true answer is synthesis of all nutrients based on several key variables, most importantly:

GENETIC VARIABILITY:

Genetic variability is the master key to unlock all other keys, some of you like SS have alluded to it with the 40% of the population being able to digest milk-based products. It is a major determinant of food intolerances and to some extent, even nutrient absorption. This even plays a key in meat consumption. My dental records are self-evident, I have large canine teeth similar to a meat-eating predator, so when I tried going Vegan plant-based a while back, I felt great for about a month then started losing it. If you live in North or South America, GMO's are everywhere. Also, if your genetics hail from the far north, be it Siberia, Norway, or Inuit tribes, your ancestors diet mostly consisted of meat. If you are from Tonga or Fiji, then you may have a higher tolerance of digesting a lot of fruit.

A subset of your genetics is also fasting. Think about it, humans were not made to sit and eat 5 or 6 times a day, eating once a day is enough even if you get all your nutrients! Fasting is a huge part of reducing aging and wear on the body through overeating. You can still be very strong and muscular and fast everyday. Time-restricted fasting is where you only eat during a window, and there's already an intermittent fasting thread on here so I won't expand on that. My ancestors were mostly farmers, some nomadic, and further back some were warriors, so I know that they usually had a breakfast, and a dinner, but usually fasted not by choice but out of necessity. I never eat lunch, and when I do I always get groggy or tired afterwards, only on days where I exercise in the morning and fast until early afternoon do I not get groggy after eating in the lunch window, followed by one more meal generally 4-5 hours later, then nothing again until the next day.

ATHLETICISM:

The second key component in how your diet affects you. The more active you are the more nutrients you need to replenish to rebuild your muscles and tendons and fortify your bones etc. There's no direct or indirect correlation of activity levels to tolerance of shit foods, some people can get away with stuffing their maw with pizzas and still be in great shape, others it will go straight to their hips, this is part of the sensitivity in genetic variation in human nutrition (something you can't change without serious genetic tampering).

MEAT:

Meat is essential. Organic steak, grass-fed, bison, deer, these are great for your body.
Anything you can hunt and kill in the wild that is not tarnished with germs from urban human areas is considered fair game as well.
Fish is problematic only due to the high levels of mercury in most of them, to truly get the benefit of eating fish you have to be away from all human-related farms and in the cold wilds of the northern or southern oceans.
Pork is a no go. Not to be a moosy or a special but Pigs are very toxic, and I would only eat swine if it was a wild boar I hunted after starving.
Chicken is alright, but same rules as steak, has to be confirmed (either via supplier or local farmers markets) to not be given anti-biotics or GMO raised. I rarely eat Chicken.
No ground meat, unless you ground it yourself, you don't know what part of the animal its coming from. That means for optimal purity, no burgers ever, unless you make them from known meat that you grounded yourself with one of these: https://www.meatprocessingproducts.com/w...j3EALw_wcB
As to how to east your meat, raw or cooked, I will make a separate thread on all of this as some point, but these are just the outlines, I prefer rare on all my meat meals.

VEGETABLES:

Vegetables are essential.
The best way to get all your nutrients and avoid having to eat like a Yak all day is to use a juicer on the following in any combination:
(Do your best to confirm organic or non GMO produce) Celery, Red Cabbage, Green Cabbage, Carrots, Red Beets, Gold Beets, Jacinto Kale, Broccoli (the sprouts part not the stalk), Parsley-Cilantro, (add ginger, as well as lemon, lime, or apple to each one, apples have malic acid so they're okay to juice).
DO NOT JUICE FRUIT under any circumstances unless you enjoy giving yourself insulin spikes, you cannot process that much sugar without fiber that comes with eating the pulp.
I do a lot of slow-cooking soups, stews, melodies, all of vegetable only combinations with homemade sauces. You can make anything from vegetables if you put your mind to it.
Fresh salads should contain dark greens like spinach or kale (kale preferable due to how spinach wilts) as a base and a huge combination of vegetables to get your varying nutrients.

FUNGI:

Fungi is essential, mainly for raising your body's detoxification coefficient as well as providing restorative functions to your immune system against the constant barrage of oxidizing stress the modern world puts on it. I'm not talking about mushroom burgers or cooking mushrooms, I'm talking about getting the nutrients out of both anatomical strong-points of mushrooms: the fruiting body (the tip umbrella, basically the reproductive part of the mushroom that produces spores) and the mycelium, or the roots. The best way to take these is as powders, though some tinctures do exist. The best mushroom combination is Chaga, Cordyceps, Lion's Mane, Shiitake, Maitake, and Reishi.

FRUIT:

Fruit can be essential but in much smaller dosages. It should always be at most a quarter of the amount of vegetables you are consuming (5:1) ratio is good. Remember, anything with seeds is considered fruit, while roots, tubers, leaves, and stems are vegetables.

DAIRY:

Not essential but I digest fermented cheeses and nut-made milk well (Macadamia nut is best, almond has a lot of phytoestrogens). The best cheese out there is European/Greek fermented Feta in brine. Raw milk has already been mentioned in this thread so no need to discuss it. I get my eggs from local farmers who I trust raise their chickens cage free and antibiotic free.

NUTS SEEDS OILS:

All essential, but beware of the ones with high-counts of phytoestrogens like almonds and walnuts and certain seeds like sunflower, sesame, and flax (yes flax can hurt your T at high amounts!).
Cold-pressed organic extra virgin mediterranean olive oil (Greek / Italian, Tunisian, Moroccan, Cyprus, Crete etc) I use on almost every meal or in production of everything.

STARCHES:

Not essential, but depends on you really. I can digest bread really well, others can't. I only use bread occasionally to complement a dish, never include it in the main recipe. A lot of bread is just unnecessary carbs that convert into glycogen in your body.

Of course, avoid processed foods like the plague. I have crackers and some chips every now and then, but will never touch anything like processed meats, fruit juices, cookies, donuts, pizza, ice cream, candy etc.

WATER

Most important one, essential above all else! I only drink distilled water, it's the only type that isn't compromised with estrogenic compounds. No fluoride or chloride either. Stay away from alkaline waters at all cost, another fad designed to mess with your GI tract.

SUPPLEMENTATION: (this is my personal recipe for a day-to-day getup if you are trying to expand your brain health, body health, age-slowing, and overall well-being

[Don't take protein, or creatine unless you really are deficient in it, and if you eat enough steak you won't be.
Green Vibrance is really good if you can't juice your veggies or have the time to prepare a lot of vegetable dishes.

The main supplements I'll take are:
Vitamin E tincture,
Zinc tincture,
(Some kind of Bone Broth / Collagen / Silica supplement on occasion for skin support if I am outside too much)
Rhodiola - Rosea tincture great for stress and adrenal function,
Iridium (colloidal) liquid great for decalficying pineal gland (same with Chaga) and for regeneration of neurological tissue,
Diatomaceous Earth powder for digestive detox and bone health,
Eleuthero (Siberian Ginseng) tincture for focus and immune support,
Schisandra Berry extract tincture for sustained endurance,
Fermented Cacao powder extremely rich in antioxidants, and
Citrulline Malate (which is found in Melons and Gourds, great for energy!). You can also take Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba for brain support.]
Note, everything is either a tincture or a powder, I don't take pills for anything anymore, nothing beats the extract going straight to your blood.

The journey that has led me to get rid brain fog, jeb-bush-low-energy feelings, muscular exhaustion, immune system issues, central nervous system issues, and inflammation went something like this:

First Attempt: got off of shit diet, all pastas, breads, meat, eggs, animal products for two months. First month was a detox, 2nd month was malnourishment. (Pendulum swing left!)

Second Attempt: went straight from all vegan/ whole-food plant-based to carnivore for a month. Felt almost high at first but leveled out after a month with no new progress (Pendulum swing right!)

Third Attempt: started adding and removing certain foods based on sensitivity in my gut as well as how much gas I produced after eating it, still experienced plateaus in optimum nutrition. (Pendulum leveling)

Fourth Attempt: Currently here now, and for my own genetics (mostly European with some Mediterranean) I came up with the following diet that assists autophagy, inflammation, et al, and maximizes my nutrient absorbing capacity (Pendulum centralizing):

100% NON-GMO Plant-based meals with meat and fermented dairy, some additions of certain types of bread, supplemented with fungi, herbs, juiced vegetables, and small bowls of fruit for occasional snacking. Meat may not be best for autophagy (assisting against aging) but it is my number one source of protein. All dishes requiring water for cooking like soups, stews, melodies, I use distilled water only.

Note, citric acid is a GMO so I juice all of my lemons manually, its so much better than anything store bought. The best brand of lemon concentrate I've seen is Italian Volcano, though I wouldn't be surprised if it has shit in it too. The best thing you can do is start buying produce and experiment in your kitchen like I did. It may take you a year or so, but eventually you will figure out what is best for your body based on the factors I outlined above. Let me hear your criticisms and questions. I healed quite a few health maladies through this whole experiment and am curious to see what level I can take it to next.
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^ awesome post, hard to find fault with it

Only quibble I guess would be your insinuation that you can't get enough veggie nutrients unless you juice. Why do you say that? How many veggies do you really need?
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The amount of veggies you need to get all nutrients is based on BMI according to conventional nutrition, while that may not be entirely correct there is a correlation to how big you are and how many nutrients you need. For an average person they would have to eat a about 8-9 cups (take whatever the FDA says you need and multiply it by 3, assuming organic and non-gmo (grown in soil with nutrients intact and no pesticides)). Eating vegetables all day makes you have excrementitious consistency of a woodchipper. That and I noticed a greater increase in gas when consuming lots of vegetables day in day out. It's true what they say about vegans, they are farty mf's for the most part. As for getting the nutrients, for example I can drink a whole half a head of cabbage, 5 carrots, and a half full stalk of celery in a big cup or spend 45 minutes trying to gobble them down, the juice delivers all the raw nutrients uncooked straight to your body without the excess fiber. It's a much simpler process.

Alas, in biblical and antediluvian times, well anytime before industrial revolution the vegetables and plants people ate were chock full of vitamins and nutrition because there was very little if any tampering of the genetic stock of the vegetables. Now we have to adapt to avoid the poison released for public consumption while at the same time delivering our body everything we need.

Remember, you can't cheat nature. The longer you do, the sooner your body will develop inflammation and immunological response to something negative you are doing (dietary or otherwise). Those who cheat nature by eating synthetic food do their health discredit and it shows. Everything is toxic so the only thing you can do is constantly wipe your system while replenishing it with straight nutrients.
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Thanks for the info, Music. I'll look into juicing.

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Oh and here's Dozens of studies too on the dangers of a Vegan diet:

https://pastebin.com/ZSKczhCx

You also have to worry about AntiNutrients:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how...inutrients

If you're going to be juicing, research what plant foods you can have raw, and which you HAVE to cook in order to gain all the vitamins and minerals from the plant.
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(09-25-2019 09:32 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 03:02 PM)BBinger Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 02:27 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  No more delicious Yerba Mate for me, looks like it's gonna be black coffee from here on out.

Sugar doesn't belong anywhere near Mate. Hot water over leaves with powder in a seasoned gourd.

True, but the ones I usually get are the Guayaki cans in the fridge at work. I've had genuine Mate, with a gaucho in Chile, but sometimes I just go for what's convenient.

Those little energy shots Guayaki makes are pretty good, and I think they have a lot less sugar because they're much smaller (I'd check that first though). Not as much fun to sip as the big can, but they still taste good. I used to use them for pre-workout or before a long commute when I was feeling tired.

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