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RE: Plant-Based Diets?
Most people are going to eat whatever diet your mom fed you growing up.

Diet is socialization.

The truth, the reality, of food's affect on your body may conflict with your views on food.

That’s fine. Most people can’t give up their socialization training.

I fully expect, “Well, there are two sides to this debate, maybe it’s not one or the other, you know, moderation."

There is no right and wrong answer. Eat what you like or think is best for you and stick with that.

But I can tell you, there are choices, and the outcomes of those choices are better than alternatives.


Vegetables:

Vegetables are useless as nutrimental food. What they are useful for is producing medicine.

They are detrimental to your digestive system - the fibrous cellulose tears up your bodies ability to absorb nutrients and properly digest foods.

They scratch your intestines like sandpaper, causing mucus and scarring (callous formation), leading to malnutrition as you age.

Meat is in and out of the stomach within an hour. It’s almost as if your body is made to digest it.

Vegetables? Sit there for hours.

They help keep you alive by giving your body carbohydrates.

All carbohydrates, “good” or “bad”, whereby processed or natural, all get converted to sugars.

The vegan diet is a sugar diet, hence the rotten teeth.

It's also a starvation diet - you will live in a constant state of hunger.

Carbohydrate (sugar) addiction is real and the cause of obesity.

I know some people who say they are “vegan” but stuff their face with pretzels and bread dough. They’re fat.

And vegans are all liars. They live in ignorance of the truth, and they know this. That's why so many of them cheat and eat meat.

You only need to look at a vegan and look at a carnivore, and you can see it with your eyes, the difference in health.


Meat Quality:

This is total propaganda trash made to get you to overpay for food.

Meat does not have a huge profit margin. So, they want to charge you more for “high-quality”.

With regards to hormones, in the rare cause beef is injected with it, bovine hormones do not affect humans.

There are processed meats that are bad, yes, like slices of turkey or "imitation crab meat" that are not the real animal.

But “high-quality meat” is the same tactic they use to sell you “Organic Maple Syrup”.

The secret to great health, is eliminating sugar and eating raw steaks (not just any meat, like pig) with high fat content.


Other Foods:

Fruit is just sugar. Any supposed benefits of eating berries (“antioxidants”) is so small as to be non-existent, not to mention you would need to eat so much it would be counter-productive.

Bread, also sugar, blows you up (wheat belly) and raises your blood sugar levels. Not to mention some come with hard to digest seeds.

Nuts are hard to digest. They contain fat, so yes, better than fruits and vegetables, but I stay away as I already have a digestive disease.

Oils: There are good nut oils - coconut and macadamia - but avoid vegetable oil, sunflower oil, anything soybean. Extra virgin olive oil is fine. Unsalted butter (not margarine!) is the top choice.

Water is key, drink lots of it. Not too much, but a minimum 1L to 2L daily is ideal.


Fasting and Abstinence:

This is why they want you to fast and abstinence in religious diets - because raw red meat (steaks) is the most healthiest thing you can eat.

And there’s nothing wrong with fasting. You are giving up the most healthy thing you can eat as a religious sacrifice.

I observe religious fasting days too. I can still eat eggs and fish on those days, just no cattle, swine, or fowl.
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RE: Plant-Based Diets?
Frank Tufano goes through the Game Changers movie - it's one bullshit propagand flic of epic proportions. It's no coincidence that top athletes who go vegan get injuries quickly. The reason is simple - athletes go through nutrients fast and require simply more vitamins, minerals and amino-acids than the average Joe.

I remember listening to Ex-vegan athletes and even the young ones fell apart within months, not years.

Oh - and you can replace meat with raw milk, but most humans on earth don't digest that well. So even the vegetarian arguments are hardly worth the salt.



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So, I've been in Europe for two months. I'm normally American. There's something in, or out, of American food compared to European food. I believe this like I believe that a dropped object will fall to earth.

I'm normally a faster at home, it's pretty common for me to not eat at work and just eat at home around 4, so that's nothing new for me but Euro food will really stick with you and even when I've got a buffet in front of me, I get satisfied faster and stay that way longer. I've definitely lost a little bit of weight and even when I want to eat big so I don't feel so run down, I just don't feel like it.

European food tastes mostly the same, but I'll be damned if it doesn't induce toxic hunger.
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EasyE, where in Europe are you? In the UK, US, and Canada there is one major difference in the food: grain enrichment. Grain enrichment is the addition of niacin, thiamine, and riboflavin to refined grains like white flour. It is pretty much mandatory by law in the US, UK, and Canada. Much of the rest of the world bans it.

Why enrich? The official reason is that it just replaces nutrients that naturally occur. The real reason is that research on rats back in the 20s showed that when only given refined, unenriched flour, the rats quickly lost interest and refused to eat it to the point of starvation. When provided with enriched flour, they would eat nonstop to the point of obesity. So the American bakers association lobbied to have enriched flour be the only type of white flour available in the US. Similar things happened in the UK and Canada. Their motive wasn’t health, it was profits. Most organisms are smart enough to disregard food that has zero nutrient content. Enrichment sidesteps that. That’s why a person in France can eat one cookie and be fine for hours, whereas an American will destroy an entire box and want more.

FWIW, I lost 60lbs in a year eating primarily red meat.
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< It's beyond grain enrichment in the US. They used to add bonemeal in the US to bread, but they likely add a few nutrients now. The reason why the US food is more addictive and lower quality is something else.

There are hundreds of addititives which are banned in Europe and most of the world. On top of it it you have cows being given hormones - the milk from that is clearly carcinogenic and addictive. Monsanto at one time had a study out pointing to it. Even if you go to the average supermarket and pick up something like toast bread in the US vs Europe - you find some 20 ingredients vs 3-4 in Europe. So the main difference is that corporations have been allowed to manipulate the food supply of the US.

The US back in the 1950s and 60s had some of the best food in the world - fresh raw milk from local suppliers delivered to the doors, bread with bone meal, high-quality grass-fed beef. No wonder that doctors in the 1950s had to travel to different states to see the marvel of a child with cancer (really true - an older doctor told the story in an interviews I heard).

It's one of the weaknesses of capitalism I am afraid - you have to have a small, but super-shitlord strict state fighting constantly against the influences and manipulations of an ever more concentred industry. Another point - the vegan agenda is part of it, because the corporations can't or don't want to do local raw milk and healthy grass-fed beef - plus healthy bonemeal in your bread. They prefer giant pesticide-soaked plantations tended to by a few farmers or later even only robots. In reality what made Americans fatter and sicker was not too much meat, because the calories provided by animal products decreased from the 1950s onward - it's mostly unhealthy plant oils, toxic addititives and too much grains, sugar and other plant ingredients. Increasing that plant part even more is ridiculous.

Sverige is a bit crazy as a Youtuber, but he compiled good material and the name for the vegan diet - New World Order Diet - is pretty fitting:





Though it will likely be plant and insect based.
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You know, it's funny you mention that. I've been been in the UK for a few days before my flight back and I've noticed my appetite has picked back up. Mainland Europe? Yeah, eating was a real chore because I just never felt like it
10-08-2019 01:30 AM
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(09-23-2019 05:45 PM)Zenta Wrote:  I can't say much to the vegan debate other than theres no way I'd ever be able to do it myself as I am not a vegetable person. I recently tried eating keto for close to two weeks and stuck to it pretty strictly. My bowel movements were great, none of that mushy shit, just solid bowel movements that would require no wiping. I started crashing hard and started eating some carbs yesterday as a cheat meal(Fries, fried chicken, some naan bread later on) with the intent to go back today to just a high fat/ high protein/ low carb diet that cut out most processed carbs, with the goal to keep carbs under 100g but make my life a bit easier. I would say that the cheat meal has not been as great for bowel movements nor was it probably worth it. Other than the energy crash on keto, I did feel better. I would mega dose some electrolytes and it would help with the crash but it was like a wave that wouldn't last long. Also I am only 130lbs right now and my goal was 2700 calories a day just to maintain, most days id fall around 2,200-2,400(tracking religiously) and ended up slimming down a bit of my skinny fat but I'm also down to 128 lbs which is not good.

My problem wanting to try to eat "healthier, cure all" diets like carnivore, vegan, keto etc is I just have an incredibly hard time consuming enough calories of any given diet source to maintain weight, let alone even try to gain weight. I find myself between a rock and a hard place because anytime that I've ever been able to actually put on weight it was doing dirty bulk IIFYM type eating.

Always interested in any advice for someone trying to eat healthier while not having any weight to lose, seems like I have to eat like a ravished bear just to maintain. I'll see how trying to keep clean carbs under 100-150G works health wise.

Eat more fats. The only way to get a large density of calories is to eat more fats.

Avacado
Nuts
Eggs

3 Avocados of good size are almost 1000 calories on its own.
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(09-27-2019 07:19 AM)Jones Wrote:  Most people are going to eat whatever diet your mom fed you growing up.

Diet is socialization.

The truth, the reality, of food's affect on your body may conflict with your views on food.

That’s fine. Most people can’t give up their socialization training.

I fully expect, “Well, there are two sides to this debate, maybe it’s not one or the other, you know, moderation."

There is no right and wrong answer. Eat what you like or think is best for you and stick with that.

But I can tell you, there are choices, and the outcomes of those choices are better than alternatives.


Vegetables:

Vegetables are useless as nutrimental food. What they are useful for is producing medicine.

They are detrimental to your digestive system - the fibrous cellulose tears up your bodies ability to absorb nutrients and properly digest foods.

They scratch your intestines like sandpaper, causing mucus and scarring (callous formation), leading to malnutrition as you age.

Meat is in and out of the stomach within an hour. It’s almost as if your body is made to digest it.

Vegetables? Sit there for hours.

They help keep you alive by giving your body carbohydrates.

All carbohydrates, “good” or “bad”, whereby processed or natural, all get converted to sugars.

The vegan diet is a sugar diet, hence the rotten teeth.

It's also a starvation diet - you will live in a constant state of hunger.

Carbohydrate (sugar) addiction is real and the cause of obesity.

I know some people who say they are “vegan” but stuff their face with pretzels and bread dough. They’re fat.

And vegans are all liars. They live in ignorance of the truth, and they know this. That's why so many of them cheat and eat meat.

You only need to look at a vegan and look at a carnivore, and you can see it with your eyes, the difference in health.


Meat Quality:

This is total propaganda trash made to get you to overpay for food.

Meat does not have a huge profit margin. So, they want to charge you more for “high-quality”.

With regards to hormones, in the rare cause beef is injected with it, bovine hormones do not affect humans.

There are processed meats that are bad, yes, like slices of turkey or "imitation crab meat" that are not the real animal.

But “high-quality meat” is the same tactic they use to sell you “Organic Maple Syrup”.

The secret to great health, is eliminating sugar and eating raw steaks (not just any meat, like pig) with high fat content.


Other Foods:

Fruit is just sugar. Any supposed benefits of eating berries (“antioxidants”) is so small as to be non-existent, not to mention you would need to eat so much it would be counter-productive.

Bread, also sugar, blows you up (wheat belly) and raises your blood sugar levels. Not to mention some come with hard to digest seeds.

Nuts are hard to digest. They contain fat, so yes, better than fruits and vegetables, but I stay away as I already have a digestive disease.

Oils: There are good nut oils - coconut and macadamia - but avoid vegetable oil, sunflower oil, anything soybean. Extra virgin olive oil is fine. Unsalted butter (not margarine!) is the top choice.

Water is key, drink lots of it. Not too much, but a minimum 1L to 2L daily is ideal.


Fasting and Abstinence:

This is why they want you to fast and abstinence in religious diets - because raw red meat (steaks) is the most healthiest thing you can eat.

And there’s nothing wrong with fasting. You are giving up the most healthy thing you can eat as a religious sacrifice.

I observe religious fasting days too. I can still eat eggs and fish on those days, just no cattle, swine, or fowl.

Meat quality is a real thing. The end product of the meat will differ greatly on what the animal was raised on. The resins of nutrients from a grass-fed cow are much more present in the meat and create a better nutrition profile. Cows raised on corn produce meat with much less nutrient profile which means you have to consume more meat to get the same nutrients (more $).

Humans and the great mystery of B-12 deficiency as it one of the more difficult nutrients to attain and has poor absorption via a supplement. In grass-fed beef, B-12 is substantial more abundant versus in regular corn crap raised beef.

Eggs are another as chickens produce much more nutrient-rich yolks if they are able to eat bugs and other items natural to them and not just crap feed. A natural chicken egg is one of the most complete nutrient-rich foods available for humans.

Humans have to eat much more food in modern times because the quality is so poor. Humans eat for energy attainment and nutrients, if both are satisfied you actually don't need all that much.

For me personally the shift in diet is to work to cut out refined and processed foods, focus on nutrients, higher importance on caloric density so that I can east less often and digestion if a taxing process that should be minimized to free up energy and resources for the rest of the body (the brain) to use.
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Vegetables and grains are famine food. They were cultivated to feed the slaves.

Carbohydrates are not necessary for human consumption.

Every vitamin, mineral, and calorie your body requires can be gotten from meat, preferably fatty meat.

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Okinawa is the largest of the Ryukyu Islands located off the coast of Japan between the East China and Philippine Seas.

Okinawa belongs to one of five regions of the world known as blue zones. People who reside in blue zones live exceptionally long, healthy lives compared to the rest of the world’s population

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Vegetables (58–60%): sweet potato (orange and purple), seaweed, kelp, bamboo shoots, daikon radish, bitter melon, cabbage, carrots, Chinese okra, pumpkin, and green papaya
Grains (33%): millet, wheat, rice, and noodles
Soy foods (5%): tofu, miso, natto, and edamame
Meat and seafood (1–2%): mostly white fish, seafood, and occasional pork — all cuts, including organs
Other (1%): alcohol, tea, spices, and dashi (broth)

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https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/okinawa-diet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

In the end it really depends on you and your body. I personally listen to my body and I don't eat much meat.

I like rice and stir fried vegetables, potato stews etc. and once or twice a week I stir fry some slow cooked beef.

Middle eastern stuff like hummus, pitas and falafel is suitable to me as well.

I definitely wouldn't want to gorge on steaks every day, but everybody's body and metabolism is different.

The average amerifat is definitely doing something wrong...
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(10-09-2019 12:11 PM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Okinawa is the largest of the Ryukyu Islands located off the coast of Japan between the East China and Philippine Seas.

Okinawa belongs to one of five regions of the world known as blue zones. People who reside in blue zones live exceptionally long, healthy lives compared to the rest of the world’s population

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Vegetables (58–60%): sweet potato (orange and purple), seaweed, kelp, bamboo shoots, daikon radish, bitter melon, cabbage, carrots, Chinese okra, pumpkin, and green papaya
Grains (33%): millet, wheat, rice, and noodles
Soy foods (5%): tofu, miso, natto, and edamame
Meat and seafood (1–2%): mostly white fish, seafood, and occasional pork — all cuts, including organs
Other (1%): alcohol, tea, spices, and dashi (broth)

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https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/okinawa-diet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

In the end it really depends on you and your body. I personally listen to my body and I don't eat much meat.

I like rice and stir fried vegetables, potato stews etc. and once or twice a week I stir fry some slow cooked beef.

Middle eastern stuff like hummus, pitas and falafel is suitable to me as well.

I definitely wouldn't want to gorge on steaks every day, but everybody's body and metabolism is different.

The average amerifat is definitely doing something wrong...

Utter bullshit with the Okinawa crap. You are pulling that out of the 1940s/50s study that was done when the US soldiers had wiped out the pork population of Okinawa. The vegans are repeating that study like some insane retards.

It's as if you find out what the people ate druing post WWII near-famine and then extrapolated from there.

Okinawa is famous for it's pork and they wouldn't survive if 5% of their calories came out of animal products. Spreading that crap is bollocks.

[Image: naha_ichiba_1.jpg]

https://www.oki-islandguide.com/cuisine/pork-culture

It's insane really that the sheisters call this to the Okinawa diet - should have been called post-WWII Okinawa-diet. That's akin to the Ausschwitz diet success.
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The funny part about the blue-zones is that the blue-zone people consume more animal-based calories than the standard American diet. The standard diet is currently already highly-plant-based with 80-85% derived from plants. In the 1940s-50s it was much different with a much higher perecentage stemming from animal fats vs plant-oils and also more real meat and milk consumption.

Back in the 1990s they even put up some mainstream reports on orthorexia - back then it was purely focused on vegans - they should have called orthorexia veganism and would be closer to the truth:





The guy Viktoras Kalvinskas looks by now like a demented insane person - his wife got mentally sick on that diet.

Whenever you look at the issue, you have to get into the bottom of those famed studies the shitheads cite. The Okinawa part for example was utterly pulled out of the ass even if it's true that their soil over there is extremely nutrient dense and the vegetables, but also the local pork taste extra good.

Still - their staple meal of Okinawa soup looks like this:

[Image: Okinawa-Soba-II-600x900.jpg]

High quality pork that was missing for a few years after they managed to repopulate their pig stock after WWII. That was when the famed study came about.

Another blue zone is on Italian islands with heavy local fish and meat consumption - on top of lots of local wine. The calorie intake from animal sources is well above 80% - and all of it local and not much industrial foods like shipped Avocados and processed Beyond Meat burgers with dozens of ingredients and plant-oils.
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I tried going pure carnivore but wasn't able to get in enough calories and began losing too much weight. I also lost my appetite for meat and still get sick thinking about eating a steak to this day and that was months ago. How do fellow carnivores overcome this?
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(10-13-2019 12:19 AM)tonysoprano Wrote:  I tried going pure carnivore but wasn't able to get in enough calories and began losing too much weight. I also lost my appetite for meat and still get sick thinking about eating a steak to this day and that was months ago. How do fellow carnivores overcome this?

There are people who don't go pure carnivore or probably shouldn't. I don't see a need to pressure yourself.

Going from the Western 80% unhealthy plant based diet to a 60% carnivore 40% healthy plant based is likely sufficient. The blue zones reach 50% animal-based product consumption - but it's usually high quality fish or even pork for them.

Plus - with sports like bodybuilding we know that some degree of carb consumption is beneficial for that sports.

If you can't stand eating steak, then you are not one of the guys like Shawn Baker who love eating steak every day for years.

Personally I consider the carnivore diet a good way to cut fat - especially on beef and tuna. I don't have any mental issuas a la Jordan Peterson and frankly miss certain dishes too much that I don't have to be as religious about it.

Raising meat and cutting some carb or vegetables consumption - that I found to be beneficial.
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