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(11-23-2019 09:42 PM)jcardial Wrote:  I am not sure you can get much tougher or more durable than Nate Diaz.

I am sure that non-vegan Jorge Masvidal just put the beating of a lifetime on Diaz, and his eye and brain will never be the same.

Since Nate seems like an innocent at heart, I hope he consumes some animal fat and flesh during his recovery, and I wish him well.
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< Top athletes can eat like shit - so long as they don't have nutrient shortages. Usain Bolt was eating mainly McDonald's and broke world records.

It's genetics and training that helps. Though many many athletes who went vegan quickly had a drop in results or injuries which they did not recover from. That is also endemic. One MMA fighter even said in public in an interview: " I don't do that vegan shit anymore." Don't remember who it was, but it was rather hilarious in the scene.

Usain Bolt's McDonald's diet did not make him big. There were other athletes who ate mostly deep-fried chicken wings in preparation - but it's easy to do when you operate at that level and can burn 12000 calories while being in your 20s. That is why many top-athletes after the career quickly gain weight or get sick.

A good diet can only help you prolong that career and keep you healthy long-term. But it won't give you good results - except veganism which is a starvation diet that misses key nutrients and this will tank your career for sure.







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I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said about grass fed beef. My issues are the following:
1. There’s good grass fed and bad grass fed. Bad grass fed is awful.
2. Cost. Grass fed beef is considered a niche product and priced accordingly. This means it’s expensive.
3. Availability. It’s almost impossible for me to buy a full cut of grass fed beef retail or from a place like butcher box. The grocery stores want you to buy individually packed steaks at maximum price. Places like butcher box want you to buy arbitrary weights for fixed prices, sight unseen.

A lot of people simply can’t afford to adhere to this grass fed purity standard. Or they’re like me where they can, but unwilling to pay the egregious prices or buy product sight unseen.

Either way, I don’t like the subtle suggestion that if you’re not a grass fed carnivore, you’re doing it wrong, or you’re not serious about it. It’s too much like the vegans. As you mentioned, even the worst beef in the us is 80% grass fed. I honestly think you’d be hard pressed to see a real difference Among people eating grass fed vs grain finished beef if that’s all they’re eating.
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Vegan Gains. “I took a B12 supplement because I was worried I might be deficient because I was having some psychotic symptoms which can happen when you’re deficient in b12.”

These clowns might as well be injecting steak.

My favorite are the idiots like Mic “you can get b12 from drinking pond water” the vegan. Or those who eat dirt.

The hoops they jump through is astounding.
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< I agree. Dr. Shawn Baker has data and experiences from thousands of people who thrive on even the normal American beef which is semewhat worse than most beef in the world. Some families have been eating like that for decades already and buying it off from Walmart. Low-quality organ meat is something else. Frank Tufano had a video up on carnivore on a budget and he advocated essentially to shifting to some cheap but natural fish and seafood.

And the discussion is moot frankly. Carnivore is useful only for certain people with severe issues. Most other poeple will be super-healthy being meat-/fish-based to a high degree. There are some nitpickers who swear on the best quality of meat out there, but so far the evidence collected does not point out to that much of a difference.

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Yeah - as for permanent B12 damage - I think that the ship may have sailed. He is also likely a guy with good genetics for muscle building and can likely pull this vegan diet through longer than most. But his mental state is deteriorating. The actual scientist Bart Kay pulls apart his citing of studies regularly.
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I love my oysters and fish. I get my protein, iron, zinc and my vitamin B12.
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Ever more long-term vegans falling away like flies from the diet:





She made it 10 years, but she spent 500$ per month on supplements to even make it so long. Sure - with daily oysters she could make it to 20 years, but that is hardly an endorsement.

Excellent funny channel of Vegan Phobic:





It's not a diet when thousands and thousands of young women lose their periods for years - some even after only 3 months on a vegan diet.





Frankly after looking at it, then I think that daily McDonald's may be better for humans than a vegan diet. At least you will reproduce, be somewhat productive before dying prematurely.

Veganism is a death diet.
Vegetarianism is a slave diet. And it's ancient slave diet not the chicken and carbs that the American slaves got - Roman, Greek and Egyptian slave diet - very well documented.
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Speaking of slave diets, there was a study by a Black American academic about the diets and longevity of American slaves, whose diet was mostly vegetarian (field greens, sweet potatoes etc). He found out that they lived long lives and were relatively healthy, outliving their owners. This study supposedly landed him in hot water...

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(11-29-2019 11:39 AM)911 Wrote:  Speaking of slave diets, there was a study by a Black American academic about the diets and longevity of American slaves, whose diet was mostly vegetarian (field greens, sweet potatoes etc). He found out that they lived long lives and were relatively healthy, outliving their owners. This study supposedly landed him in hot water...

Quote:The origins of recipes considered soul food can be traced back to before slavery, as African. Many of the foods integral to the cuisine originate from the limited rations given to slaves by their planters and masters. Slaves were typically given a peck of cornmeal and 3-4 pounds of pork per week, and from those rations come soul food staples such as cornbread, fried catfish, barbecued ribs, chitterlings, and neckbones.[4] It has been noted that enslaved Africans were the primary consumers of cooked greens (collards, beets, dandelion, kale, and purslane) and sweet potatoes for a portion of US history.[5][6]

Slaves needed to eat foods with high amounts of calories to balance out spending long days working in the fields. This led to time-honored soul food traditions like frying foods, breading meats and fishes with cornmeal, and mixing meats with vegetables (e.g. putting pork in collard greens).[7] Eventually, this slave-invented style of cooking started to get adopted into larger Southern culture, as slave owners gave special privileges to slaves with cooking skills.

In addition back then it was impossible to deep-fry the food in anything but lard or tallow. Plant oils only became palatable in the 1930s.

So there was a lot of fried foods, but the meat-protein content was sufficient. Also they were allowed to have chicken, so fried chicken on top of eggs was part of the menu - obviously a huge part of the calories coming from lard in which it was all fried to. If they fried it in corn oil, then they would be obese and the health would be abysmal.

Why the health of the slave masters looked worse - that could be co-factors like alcohol, intense tobacco consumption, syphillis, even bread consumption etc. Wealthy men then in many areas were all having syphillis if they frequented brothels too much.

We do know however that American slaves were more healthy than White factory workers in the North - not that this would entice anyone to change places. It was just something coincidental.
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I think most of them didn't get much in terms of meat, according to that researcher, who claimed their diets was nearly all vegetarian, with some meat scraps.


This guy is on a whole different level, advocates ketoish diet with heavy doses of lard, butter and meat, apparently it has slimmed him down after he was morbidly obese, without pushing his cholesterol too high:





Chicken deep fried in lard:




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Mac Danzig has fought professionally for 13 years on a vegan diet in the UFC and elsewhere. He is 100% plant based. It's at the very least damning to the generalization "all vegans get weak after a few months or years and have to give up." MMA is about as brutal as it gets in terms of intensity and injuries.

       
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Eating chicken was not commonplace until after WW2. Chickens were valued for their egg production. Only when they aged out were they eaten.

The researcher who claimed that slaves had a mostly vegetarian diet and then claimed they often outlived their owners was clearly promoting the vegan agenda. A slave was a capital investment. An able bodied field slave cost roughly $5000 in today’s dollars. A slave that died or was unproductive was lost money, something they understood even 200 years ago.

The Atlantic did an article about meat consumption about 5 years ago and delved into the topic of slave diets and confirmed what Simeon said. A typical slave ate about 200lbs of meat per year.

Why would a slave outlive their owner? Slaves did manual labor sun up to sundown. If nutrition was tolerable, they would have been in pretty good shape. A slave owner on a large plantation was not doing physical labor, and not only had high meat consumption, but also had high sugar consumption which was a luxury most couldn’t afford.
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Mac Danzig’s record from 2006 is 6 wins, 10 losses.

He went vegan in 2004. Two years later that vegan deterioration hit him hard.
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(11-29-2019 07:38 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Ever more long-term vegans falling away like flies from the diet:





She made it 10 years, but she spent 500$ per month on supplements to even make it so long. Sure - with daily oysters she could make it to 20 years, but that is hardly an endorsement.

Excellent funny channel of Vegan Phobic:





It's not a diet when thousands and thousands of young women lose their periods for years - some even after only 3 months on a vegan diet.





Frankly after looking at it, then I think that daily McDonald's may be better for humans than a vegan diet. At least you will reproduce, be somewhat productive before dying prematurely.

Veganism is a death diet.
Vegetarianism is a slave diet. And it's ancient slave diet not the chicken and carbs that the American slaves got - Roman, Greek and Egyptian slave diet - very well documented.

Did you even watch the Megan Elizabeth interview. Somewhat comical that you think it supports an anti-plant based argument since she had a laundry list of health issues for several years before trying to go raw vegan (which sounds like an overly extreme solution inferior to getting better medical attention). Before going vegan she claimed she was always getting sick, had digestive issues, fatigue problems and mental health issues. She was even bed ridden for almost a year. Her attempt at the keto diet also failed except much faster. The vegan diet gave her temporary relief and then she had more of the same types of health problems. Her results provide little to no valuable insight.

Her supplement routine sounds incredibly misguided and more a function of paranoia than anything else. She was taking huge doses of Magnesium (along with who knows what else) which could have easily accumulated in her bloodstream and caused some of the issues she was complaining about. The supplements you might need being 100% plant based cost pennies per day, so she was clearly over self medicating like an amateur.
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Clever word choice. “The supplements you might need being 100% plant based...” This comment alone invalidates the vegan diet. A supplement you’re guaranteed to need while vegan is b12. The two most prominent vegan psychopaths on youtube are both on video injecting b12. B12 comes from animals, not from drinking pond water, not from eating dirt.

A healthy diet is nutritionally complete without supplementing.
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< Yeah - as I noted, a vegan indoctrinated here who is well-versed in the scene. I listened to that interview and the girl had various issues. Genetics are different for all of us, but it is possible that she is susceptible to grains and certainly to seed oils. She is on meat for 6 months and feels better than ever in her life after trying to make it work with the shitty vegan diet for 10 years - all due to massive supplments which in veganism is not a plus, but a must since you replace lacking nutrients.

And blaming magnesium is nuts, anything is wrong except your shitty vegan diet eh? Magnesium can be taken in huge doses - in fact there are studies out that show that epileptics are all highly deficient and need 1000mg to 2000mg of magnesium to even function normally. It's one of the supplements that can be taken in higher doses without much issues.

Everyone out there is an amateur and doing it wrong, the most healthy and bestest diet ever and everyone is doing it wrong. And all those vegan athletes - good luck for ruining your career even if you have excellent genetics. Most fall off the diet within a few years or end their careers because veganism is shit. If veganism was able to give you super-results, then lots of athletes would go vegan - instead it's crap. Diet barely helps most athletes so long as they don't have deficiencies and in veganism that is a certainty.

All the Game Changers athletes either dropped out, ended the career or had injuries that somehow did not heal (also veganism). Some began to eat meat and fish again like the Croat super-tennis player.

The vegan brainwashing and malnourishment must be already taking apart some brain cells there....
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Come on, now. Our ancestors have been injecting B12 for hundreds of generations.

It's as natural as harvesting kilos and kilos of wild soybeans while on the nomad path in the dead of winter.

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< The best part is that Vegan Youtube was huge just a few years ago - some had millions of subscribers and many people went on that diet. The Raw vegans meanwhile abandoned that and went to "whole foods" as raw deteriorates your body faster.

Then dozens and dozens of big vegan Youtubers dropped out and what is worse for the con is that hundreds and thousands of non-famous ex-Vegan came out everyone with very similar symptoms of "detox". Vegan youtube and internet is on the defense ever since.

Some have even stopped saying that it is the healthiest diet ever, but the ethics and "science" is there. No - the science is junk science and the money is more behind the Beta-blockers and big pharma, the pushers of seed oils and high-margin grains and legumes.

Also the ethics are not there as there are now meat-based documentaries coming out which are analyzing the issue clearly proving that most animal sourced foods produce less death and suffering among animals, birds and insects than having cows and pigs. Also new regenerative methods are coming out that can increase the yield of beef production by 300 to 1000% versus old methods. And those methods are growing - from Masai in Africa to cowboys in Mongolia - everyone is doing it and getting far more out of the land - and it's even carbon positive oh surprise! Also grassland is plenty in the world - you don't need to cut down forests, there is more land useful only for ruminant animals than corn and grains.

In a recent discussion of MDs - carnivore vs vegan - the vegan MD only was left with referring to his junk science results since there were way too many "anecdotes" coming out of how destructive the vegan diet is. Even some UN organization has changed their recommendation from "vegan diet is good for everyone at all stages of life" ot "it may be good". Guess that happened after the first few dozen loud deaths of vegan babies and toddlers. And trust me - the kids growing up on that won't do well with that diet either. Doctors are getting young girls into practice now who grew up vegan/vegetarian and they have a ton of health issues.
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(11-30-2019 12:05 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  Eating chicken was not commonplace until after WW2. Chickens were valued for their egg production. Only when they aged out were they eaten.

The researcher who claimed that slaves had a mostly vegetarian diet and then claimed they often outlived their owners was clearly promoting the vegan agenda. A slave was a capital investment. An able bodied field slave cost roughly $5000 in today’s dollars. A slave that died or was unproductive was lost money, something they understood even 200 years ago.

The Atlantic did an article about meat consumption about 5 years ago and delved into the topic of slave diets and confirmed what Simeon said. A typical slave ate about 200lbs of meat per year.

Why would a slave outlive their owner? Slaves did manual labor sun up to sundown. If nutrition was tolerable, they would have been in pretty good shape. A slave owner on a large plantation was not doing physical labor, and not only had high meat consumption, but also had high sugar consumption which was a luxury most couldn’t afford.

That researcher was not a vegan activist, he was a moderate/conservative Black academic who got criticized for his research by mainstream Black activists for pointing out that the life expectancy of slaves was higher than their owners. According to him, slaves were getting a high calorie 3,500-4,000/day diets consisting mostly of vegetable stews.

I didn't find the source of this research through a quick search, but found this other source, which does corroborate it somewhat:

Quote:from “Ordeal of the Union”, by Allan Nevins, copyright 1947.

The author states, from the Maryland census of 1850, the life expectancy at birth for whites was 44.6 years, for female slaves 41.3 years, and for male slaves 40.3 years.

At the age of 20, after avoiding childhood diseases, a white person could live an additional 42.2 years, a female slave an additional 40.6 years, a male slave an additional 40.3 years.

At the age of 40, a white person could expect to live an additional 28.7 years, a female slave an additional 29.3 years, and a male slave an additional 27.8 years.

The author’s guess was that other border states had similar stats.


This aspect is controversial, because it shows that the life expectancy gap between a slave and his owner was actually lower than the current gap between Blacks and Whites in the US, which is about 4 years, so in terms of the admittedly very narrow window of life expectancy alone, Blacks could have been better off under slavery!


If you go beyond the cliches and look into the actual volume of work slaves did, I'm not sure it's much more that of the average blue-collar worker who does around 2,000 hrs/yr; there is very little work to be done in a cotton plantation 6 months of the year after the late summer harvest and before the early spring planting. They probably had 2-3 months of back-breaking work in planting/tilling and harvesting seasons, 5 months of rest, and 3-4 months where they worked some (tending, watering, packing etc).

Slaves also had relatively good social lives, warts and all, much better than the modern single urban denizen. They might have also had lower stress levels than those of your typical modern cubicle hack.

This only applies to US slaves, conditions might have been harsher in Brazil or the Caribbean on sugar plantation due to continuous crop rotations.

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Frankly whenever you see life expectancy in the 20s or 30s, then you should know that this is calculated due to the high death rate of children. It's an almost meaningless number because you would have to take only the life expectancy of surviving children. And even then - in times of war this is also meaningless due to men dying in battle. The only thing we can calculate from that life expectancy is that both masters and slaves had also a ton of kids dying in childhood.

I looked into the stuff now and it seems that the deep fried soul food has been created by blacks - the slave masters later adopted that. The biggest difference however is that the food was fried certainly in animal fat - when that got switched over to seed oils in the 1940s, then it turned super-toxic.

Also fried chicken likely developed in the US by blacks and was picked up later everywhere else.

The issue with vegetarian diet has been researched at length by the ancient Egyptians. I read reports that they experimented excessively with their slave populations in order to cut down on food cost and see how much they could get out of them in order for them to be productive, but not live too long. Keep in mind that they had thousands of years of experimentation with a relatively effective administrative class. They had cheap access to grains and legumes and no large grass-lands there. According to historical accounts they experimented with vegan diets which were genocidal, vegetarian diets were the best for slaves since they were healthy enough during their youth and then died prematurely after that. One of the reasons the Indian upper classes did that was also based on population control - chicken and pork could have been produced in high quantity as well.

Don't wanna go into any slave diet here frankly, because that is by default a restrictive one and even if at times in the US they ate vegetarian then this is nothing to be proud of - also 29 years life duration is nothing to boast about.

From populations we know that meat and animal products are not the issue - Hong Kong has some of the longest life expectancy in the world at around 85 years! They consume more animal products than almost anyone in the world. The people of Iceland have survived for centuries on almost exclusively animal products - fish, ruminant animals, milk, chicken and dairy. The little bit of grains imported from Denmark barely mattered and they are super-strong and healthy. The Masai and other African tribes are essentially lacto-carnivores at rates of 100% and are super-healthy. If you gave them modern healthcare and hygiene then I bet that they could easily live to the mid 80s or 90s.

In contrast the vegetarian populations of India is 68 years life expectancy with some access to modern healthcare. The other vegetarians worldwide are dirt-poor and eat that way out of necessity. Only the 50 mio. Westerners are dumb enough to follow that diet on this fake ethical trip. If you don't chug down a ton of raw dairy and can stomach it, then this won't end well for you.

Anyone should go and check out channels of ex-vegans - some offer scientific content, others plenty of interviews and anecdotes:





There are clear indicators that we stomach best a near carnivore diet even if modern mankind hasn't eaten that way. When you have all races in the world do well on lots of animal foods, then it's doubtful frankly that we will in the future find the mythical super-diet for humans that will be plant-based. I see more that humans might re-engineer the buffalo in spades rather than turn vegan.

That is unless we become slaves to the technocratic elite and get our cockroach-protein pizza printed out at home. Highly processed kibble in order to make us live 50 years as 1984-slaves.



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(11-30-2019 03:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < Yeah - as I noted, a vegan indoctrinated here who is well-versed in the scene. I listened to that interview and the girl had various issues. Genetics are different for all of us, but it is possible that she is susceptible to grains and certainly to seed oils. She is on meat for 6 months and feels better than ever in her life after trying to make it work with the shitty vegan diet for 10 years - all due to massive supplments which in veganism is not a plus, but a must since you replace lacking nutrients.

And blaming magnesium is nuts, anything is wrong except your shitty vegan diet eh? Magnesium can be taken in huge doses - in fact there are studies out that show that epileptics are all highly deficient and need 1000mg to 2000mg of magnesium to even function normally. It's one of the supplements that can be taken in higher doses without much issues.

Everyone out there is an amateur and doing it wrong, the most healthy and bestest diet ever and everyone is doing it wrong. And all those vegan athletes - good luck for ruining your career even if you have excellent genetics. Most fall off the diet within a few years or end their careers because veganism is shit. If veganism was able to give you super-results, then lots of athletes would go vegan - instead it's crap. Diet barely helps most athletes so long as they don't have deficiencies and in veganism that is a certainty.

All the Game Changers athletes either dropped out, ended the career or had injuries that somehow did not heal (also veganism). Some began to eat meat and fish again like the Croat super-tennis player.

The vegan brainwashing and malnourishment must be already taking apart some brain cells there....

We are talking about a 120 lb girl who had serious life long problems attempting to self (over) medicate with thousands of dollars of very likely poorly applied supplements. The fact that you think anything can be generalized from her life (diet or otherwise) underlines your need to work on your analytical skills.
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RE: Plant-Based Diets?
(11-30-2019 12:40 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  ....

Don't wanna go into any slave diet here frankly, because that is by default a restrictive one and even if at times in the US they ate vegetarian then this is nothing to be proud of - also 29 years life duration is nothing to boast about.
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29 years was not the actual age, it's the number of expected years they lived after reaching age 40, so that's lifespans around 70 years.

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11-30-2019 06:00 PM
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RE: Plant-Based Diets?
(11-30-2019 02:21 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  Clever word choice. “The supplements you might need being 100% plant based...” This comment alone invalidates the vegan diet. A supplement you’re guaranteed to need while vegan is b12. The two most prominent vegan psychopaths on youtube are both on video injecting b12. B12 comes from animals, not from drinking pond water, not from eating dirt.

A healthy diet is nutritionally complete without supplementing.

Taking a few micrograms of B vitamins is preferable and a step up from a time when all of our food and water was infested with various forms of bacteria (some of which produced B12). Insisting on being natural for the arbitrary sake of being natural makes no sense in a lot of cases. When the oceans are even more severely polluted than they already are it will almost certainly be preferable to get EPA/DHA from lab grown algae. It is arguably already preferable from a health risk mitigation stand point.
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RE: Plant-Based Diets?
Simeon I think that people can be very healthy with small amounts of meat and animal products if the quality is very high. If you look back through history in a lot of cultures meat and animal product consumption was low but the quality was excellent. When my parents were kids back in their home country animal products were natural compared to today and people were healthy despite low consumption of meat and animal products. Soil quality was better, the eggs were from free roaming chickens eating natural food, the milk was from grass fed cows, etc. People ate soups with bone broth, they ate the bone marrow from bones, the ate animal tongues and brains and kidneys, livers, eyeballs, etc which are very nutrient dense. People were healthy despite the quantity of animal products being consumed being a fraction of what is common in western diets today. Soil was a lot more nutrient dense before, the animals they ate were more natural and ate a healthier diet and they ate a wider variety of animal products. So back in those days a lot of people lived long and healthy lives while only consuming 1 - 3 small portions of animal products per week.

For example a lot of people who eat meat today only eat steak cuts, etc. I mean which westerner today eats sheep brain or cow tongue?
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