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Green card giveaway to Indian H1b workers- say No to S386
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...next-week/

Republican Utah Sen. Mike Lee will try again to pass his S.386 bill, which grants green cards to India’s college graduates if they take jobs from American graduates.Leon Fresco, a Democrat lawyer working with Lee to pass the bill, also declared the bill will pass the Senate. Fresco helped Sen. Chuck Schumer write the 2013 “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill that nearly passed — and which would have provided investors with a flood of cheap labor for at least 20 years.

Lee’s promise came just after Georgia Sen. David Perdue blocked Lee’s request for the Senate’s “Unanimous consent” approval of his S.386 bill. The bill would allow up to 140,000 Indian workers and family members to get valuable green cards each year in exchange for them working in U.S. college jobs for several years.
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The Indian community through its lobby Immigration Voice https://twitter.com/immivoice/status/117...6359525376 is planning on passing this bill in the Senate (already approved in the House) on issuing Green Cards for Indians whose applications have been backlogged for close to a decade. The primary reason for the backlog, in my opinion, is body shopping IT companies that take advantage of the system. Passing this bill would mean a surplus of Indians who will be willing to work freely for any wage for any employer, thereby lowering wages across the tech industry. Interestingly this has been sponsored by big tech who would like to keep their labor costs/wages low.

Also, if this bill passes, other countries will have to wait over 10 years to get GCs. Its important that this bill is debated on and not passed through Unanimous Consent. This is Senators Mike Lee's objective this week and its important to let your Senators know where you stand as this cheap-labor economic strategy will only push young Americans away from high-tech careers.
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And it isn't just more competition for American workers, as more Indians come in and are promoted up the IT ranks they are known to discriminate and hire and promote Indians only. In their country/culture this is expected and they are not worried about the laws here if they have the corporations and their team of attorneys on their side.

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Yeah - it's the funniest thing indeed. Civic nationalism for thee and tribalism for me.

While obviously Indians are not responsible for the West offering them a sweet deal and thus shooting their core tribe in the knee, but still...

Let's not pretend that there is no tribalism going on - meanwhile they claim perfect integration while still retaining tribal allegiance for 100+ years while living in a different country.

Obviously no immigration from there should be allowed, but this is how the cookie crumbles.

They even hired upper-tier managers at large US corporations while they grew up and studied in India. How does an Indian bloke become the manager for a brand like Gillette in the US? Normally this would be utterly impossible - no matter your pedigree as a Swiss guy you could become at best CEO via lots of sidetracks, but becoming responsible for a brand within a country you did not grow up with?

It's a lot of diversity pushing that has only the goal to suppress wages and often also just fire Americans in order to fit top-down diversity quotas.
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It used to be my recommendation for young men to go into only one of three fields if they want a decent life...

IT
Accounting/Finance
Medical

I would no longer recommend IT due to this coming wave of low wage workers and in group hiring preferences of the new managerial class.
09-24-2019 04:17 AM
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Agreed. IT is not the place to be.
Competition up, wages stagnating.


Why Are IT Salaries Not Rising More Sharply?
For 2019, we should be reporting that IT salaries are growing at a strong pace. The economy is strong. Unemployment is low. Usually this means IT workers can command higher salaries as organizations compete for talent. However, salaries are increasing only slightly above the rate of inflation. In fact, some roles are actually earning less at the median than in previous years.

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09-24-2019 10:27 AM
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(09-24-2019 04:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  It used to be my recommendation for young men to go into only one of three fields if they want a decent life...

IT
Accounting/Finance
Medical

I would no longer recommend IT due to this coming wave of low wage workers and in group hiring preferences of the new managerial class.

The problem is traditional accounting and finance roles are getting eaten by softwares and innovations in fintech. Why employ a person when you could get a software to do his/her work.

For medical, you need to have deep pockets or take on large student loans to successfully make it. Not everyone can afford it or take on that risk.
09-24-2019 10:54 AM
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(09-24-2019 10:27 AM)Blake2 Wrote:  Agreed. IT is not the place to be.
Competition up, wages stagnating.


Why Are IT Salaries Not Rising More Sharply?
For 2019, we should be reporting that IT salaries are growing at a strong pace. The economy is strong. Unemployment is low. Usually this means IT workers can command higher salaries as organizations compete for talent. However, salaries are increasing only slightly above the rate of inflation. In fact, some roles are actually earning less at the median than in previous years.

Actually, IT salaries have been steadily increasing over the last couple of years. This is partially because of the Trump Administrations crackdown on h1B abuse. No other President in his term has taken on Indian body shops like he has. It's important we keep the pressure on. Passing this disastrous bill will only allow the h1B abusers to get GCs & freely move around thereby lowering wages.
09-24-2019 10:58 AM
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GOP keeps digging its own grave. Trump just kissed Modi's ass too. I don't expect a veto but maybe the Israel or Hispanic groups will come out against, realizing that their skilled visas will be gone. I just hope this get blocked for at least two or three years. The economic crash is coming and by then there will be massive support against stuff like this.

I'll take a look at a possible brightside here for American workers. This is just a theory, and I do not support this bill at all.

The bill as Swagger correctly stated will block workers from other counties from entering, but it doesn't increase the amount of visas from what I read.

Most of the Indians coming are not actually very skilled, while many of the workers coming from other countries are actually a lot brighter. In total the bill will actually block a lot of skilled people from getting visas.

I actually think the goal of this bill is to prevent smaller tech companies from getting their hands on workers. I know a few startups in New York who specifically target guys from Latin America or Eastern Europe for their cheap labor. Most of the start ups won't want to hire Indian H1B workers so they could possibly turn to hire more Americans. I'm not sure this will actually happen but who knows.
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They will never take the advanced technology jobs. I work for a company in a mid level technology position; long story short the company has a team in India which handles overnight work.

80% of the time we have to fix the half ass job that they do.

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(09-24-2019 04:06 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  They even hired upper-tier managers at large US corporations while they grew up and studied in India. How does an Indian bloke become the manager for a brand like Gillette in the US? Normally this would be utterly impossible - no matter your pedigree as a Swiss guy you could become at best CEO via lots of sidetracks, but becoming responsible for a brand within a country you did not grow up with?

It's a lot of diversity pushing that has only the goal to suppress wages and often also just fire Americans in order to fit top-down diversity quotas.

Gillette has been in India since 1984.

I don't think Indians at the upper echelons of US companies are diversity hires. I think it's more because of networking.

The diversity hires are usually white or East Asian women, Hispanic or gay black men. They get pushed into bullshit roles like Recruiting, HR or "Diversity Office".

I've worked at multiple $multibillion US companies. Every Indian in senior management was very capable. The shithead were the guys who were hired to do the grunt work. They were useless.

I remember at one employer the base data for a weekly report was pulled by a team from India, their work was so bad, that nobody in the US would use their information.

(09-24-2019 04:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  It used to be my recommendation for young men to go into only one of three fields if they want a decent life...

IT
Accounting/Finance
Medical

I would no longer recommend IT due to this coming wave of low wage workers and in group hiring preferences of the new managerial class.

I worked in IT in UK a long time ago. When I first started, we had guys flown over from India to work in the office. Later their numbers decreased, and my employer opened an office in India. Fast forward a few years and I'm told to leave my job (they let 600 people go at the same time) - reason is that not as much staff are needed in the UK, the work in being done in India.

So I got fucked over too, because of Indians - I'm also Indian, but born and raised in UK.

(09-24-2019 10:54 AM)Swagger Wrote:  The problem is traditional accounting and finance roles are getting eaten by softwares and innovations in fintech. Why employ a person when you could get a software to do his/her work.

For medical, you need to have deep pockets or take on large student loans to successfully make it. Not everyone can afford it or take on that risk.

I've worked in corporate finance for over 10 years. Salaries have barely increased - sometimes I get agencies calling me about roles that pay less than what I made 10 years ago.
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It’s just a matter of time before google and Facebook and other Silicon Valley companies move their headquarters and offices to India to scoop up the cheap labor and save money.

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^ you assume that Indians are as good as whites in doing their jobs. This is not the case, as many who worked with indians will tell.
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No man. I’m assuming that Indians will do the work poorly, and get paid a third of what it would cost to pay an American programmer or engineer to do the same work in the USA. I deal with Indians all the time and most of them are as dumb as a rock, I’m not saying Indians are good workers, I know better

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(09-25-2019 01:49 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  
(09-24-2019 04:06 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  They even hired upper-tier managers at large US corporations while they grew up and studied in India. How does an Indian bloke become the manager for a brand like Gillette in the US? Normally this would be utterly impossible - no matter your pedigree as a Swiss guy you could become at best CEO via lots of sidetracks, but becoming responsible for a brand within a country you did not grow up with?

It's a lot of diversity pushing that has only the goal to suppress wages and often also just fire Americans in order to fit top-down diversity quotas.

Gillette has been in India since 1984.

I don't think Indians at the upper echelons of US companies are diversity hires. I think it's more because of networking.

The diversity hires are usually white or East Asian women, Hispanic or gay black men. They get pushed into bullshit roles like Recruiting, HR or "Diversity Office".

I've worked at multiple $multibillion US companies. Every Indian in senior management was very capable. The shithead were the guys who were hired to do the grunt work. They were useless.

I remember at one employer the base data for a weekly report was pulled by a team from India, their work was so bad, that nobody in the US would use their information.

In aggregate it may be true, however Gillette US is a specific brand with specific knowledge of the market and the people in the US. The majority still being White and not Latino of this day. Anyone foreign-born would be a bad pick for the position and he got a lot of crap for the SJW ads. Then it turned out that the came to the US when he was in his 20s.

That was a diversity hire to some degree because of the specific position. Him becoming the CEO in 20 years would not be a diversity hire. Consider this - John from Nebraska marries an Indian chick and moves to India working for Gillette India. He then after 10 years gets promoted to be fucking GILLETTE INDIA BRAND MANAGER now having to understand the culture, people, likes and dislikes of the locals as a brand manager! That would not make a lick of sense. No matter how talented he was - it would make more sense for him to become the head of P&G India before becoming a brand manager.
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Can someone clarify if this would increase total immigration #'s or just shift between countries? Someone needs to get in Stephen Miller's ear on this too as hopefully he could influence Trump to veto if the Senate passes it.
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Quote:I've worked in corporate finance for over 10 years. Salaries have barely increased - sometimes I get agencies calling me about roles that pay less than what I made 10 years ago.

Here's the thing, if there is abundant cheap labor, salaries are never going to increase. This coupled with innovations in finance & accounting related softwares makes a lot of traditional roles obsolete.
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(09-25-2019 06:13 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  Can someone clarify if this would increase total immigration #'s or just shift between countries? Someone needs to get in Stephen Miller's ear on this too as hopefully he could influence Trump to veto if the Senate passes it.

From what I understand it will not increase the visa workers, it will only pull the number of visa workers accepted from other countries and put them towards India visa workers.
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(09-25-2019 06:13 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  Can someone clarify if this would increase total immigration #'s or just shift between countries? Someone needs to get in Stephen Miller's ear on this too as hopefully he could influence Trump to veto if the Senate passes it.

Immigration numbers are not supposed to increase, the # of GreenCards (GCs) are expected to be redistributed among the countries but mostly favoring India. This is also the reason as to why most RINOs are on board. But this bill is being proposed as a magic pill that will clear the backlogs of Indian GC applications, however, we know this is never going to happen. The second you attempt to make it easier for Indians to immigrate the system is going to be filled with half a billion applicants moving from India who will take advantage of the already abused H1B route.

The H1b in its current form makes it hard for Indians to work for any employer. Most Indians on H1B who work for body shops in the US are willing victims who are fine working for a lower wage as long they are promised a GC in the near future. They don't have traditional education debt like most Americans so once given a GC will work for peanuts. This will make it extremely hard for Americans to pursue a career in tech for the foreseeable future.
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(09-25-2019 08:04 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  From what I understand it will not increase the visa workers, it will only pull the number of visa workers accepted from other countries and put them towards India visa workers.

The bill is not much about visas but about giving GreenCards for the next 10 years to people who abused the h1B loopholes
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(09-25-2019 01:56 AM)eradicator Wrote:  It’s just a matter of time before google and Facebook and other Silicon Valley companies move their headquarters and offices to India to scoop up the cheap labor and save money.

They already do. Amazons largest HQs is in India. Bezos uses the United States to set up his business. Once up and running, he starts offshoring to India. Why is he not paying more in taxes?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/tech/amaz...index.html
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