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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
(09-30-2019 10:49 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  
(09-24-2019 03:32 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You will have to find another platform or guru to help you with these matters, at least for the next 2-4 years until I can find a workable alternative to casual dating.

What do you mean by a workable alternative to casual dating and what's taking place in your life in the coming 2-4 years to find one?

Maybe he means traditional courtship and is looking into marrying in the upcoming 2-4 years?
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(10-01-2019 12:08 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  I probably would have married my high school sweetheart if not for you and other red pill thought leaders.

And why would that had been a bad outcome?

You found a better wife and are married with children now?
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(10-01-2019 12:55 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:08 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  I probably would have married my high school sweetheart if not for you and other red pill thought leaders.

And why would that had been a bad outcome?

You found a better wife and are married with children now?

She was very controlling and her family was crazy. Lots of red flags, but she was hot and came from money so most people thought I hit the jackpot and were jealous that I landed her and fully supported me marrying her. After I broke it off, she slept with my ex-friend and slutted it up and went no where in her career/life. I focused on my stem degree and then career/investments instead of what would have been raising a family and dealing with her bullshit. I have been in several relationships since that have all been less crazy than her, but I just get bored after a few months. It's hard for me to connect with people intellectually. I would probably be divorced, broke, and be a single dad if I had not red pilled at that time. I'm doing great, I am almost peaking. I was a late bloomer so my SMV has only gone up since I broke up in my early 20s. Right now I am getting ready to travel overseas and I am just living a mellow life enjoying my freedom. These new rules aren't going to change my plan that I have been working towards this past decade, I just won't post about it. 99.99% of my friends fell in the blue pill trap (marriage, kids, broke, wage slave) that I almost did, but Roosh taught me a lot about how women really are (hypergamy, lie, vindictive, etc.). I don't think I am ever going to get married, the incentives/consequences just promote fleecing the man and taking his kids. I grew up Catholic, but after learning about all the orgies/selling indulgences and general debauchery of the church, I am more into quantum theory than any specific religion, though I do have a high moral compass and think overall religion is a net positive for society. Take it for what it's worth, but for me once I red pilled about the true nature of girls, I red pilled about everything else too, and that is why and how I am in a favorable position now.
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(10-01-2019 01:16 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:55 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:08 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  I probably would have married my high school sweetheart if not for you and other red pill thought leaders.

And why would that had been a bad outcome?

You found a better wife and are married with children now?

She was very controlling and her family was crazy. Lots of red flags, but she was hot and came from money so most people thought I hit the jackpot and were jealous that I landed her and fully supported me marrying her. After I broke it off, she slept with my ex-friend and slutted it up and went no where in her career/life. I focused on my stem degree and then career/investments instead of what would have been raising a family and dealing with her bullshit. I have been in several relationships since that have all been less crazy than her, but I just get bored after a few months. It's hard for me to connect with people intellectually. I would probably be divorced, broke, and be a single dad if I had not red pilled at that time. I'm doing great, I am almost peaking. I was a late bloomer so my SMV has only gone up since I broke up in my early 20s. Right now I am getting ready to travel overseas and I am just living a mellow life enjoying my freedom. These new rules aren't going to change my plan that I have been working towards this past decade, I just won't post about it. 99.99% of my friends fell in the blue pill trap (marriage, kids, broke, wage slave) that I almost did, but Roosh taught me a lot about how women really are (hypergamy, lie, vindictive, etc.). I don't think I am ever going to get married, the incentives/consequences just promote fleecing the man and taking his kids. I grew up Catholic, but after learning about all the orgies/selling indulgences and general debauchery of the church, I am more into quantum theory than any specific religion, though I do have a high moral compass and think overall religion is a net positive for society. Take it for what it's worth, but for me once I red pilled about the true nature of girls, I red pilled about everything else too, and that is why and how I am in a favorable position now.

So you both fell into the casual dating trap with her being much worse off after being with you. Obviously casual dating never leads into a successful marriage, but how should Western parents know?

The remainder of your post sounds more like the Black Pill with "women being evil" and how providing for a family is bad. The natural successor of the Black Pill is the God Pill, when you realize that our Lord made our girls like this for a reason: to test your abilities to be a father. The GP also provides you with the tools to find and vet marriage candidates and successfully lead a wife, so you can follow your true vocation.

So people, who embark on a journey towards a dead end (personal and societal) can't use the forum now to encourage others to follow them.
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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
The Prodigal Son

It appears there are now multiple forums dispensing advice for short-term meets with women abroad. None of these will become particularly successful, as the sexual expansion peaked about 6 years ago, foreign destinations have been in decline for decades and all the changes of Western women that have been much discussed. Those coming to the scene now are like the Johnny Come-Lateleys of the gold rush. Sex acts are in decline, while broadcast sex acts are soaring. I've heard 25% of internet bandwidth is now increasingly rude movies. The erosive nature of the sex market is now more relevant than its allure. Further, none of the alternative forums have the astute pruning that goes on here.

While many will continue making access to new partner a big part of their life, as they age, more will come back here, for advice on where to turn when the hollowness of it and the realisation of mortality kicks in. Those at the crossroads are still here.

Needing Game for Women

It is a good point that you need game for women, but I think it's not quite right. You need frame for women - you need game to keep thots entertained long enough to slip at least one in. Game is a mirage that is thrown up - it's mental peacocking. It may induce women into a desired position in the short-term, while frame will achieve it over a lifetime.

Whereby frame is presenting yourself in a way, often implied rather than explicit, that you have rules and boundaries. Game is a bag of tricks you use to penetrate boundaries in the shortest term possible. It is the extremes of R/K selection.

We live in a culture where a portion of the top men have an abundance of game, but are often lacking in frame. This is further exacerbated in that our societal frame has been massively eroded and society has been taken over by vindicated nerds who have no frame and anti-game.

Our ancestors (Kona's excluded) somehow managed to have such social frame that the vindictive nerds didn't have to worry about having no frame and anti-game. They were protected and possibly even desirable. And it was this system that was one of the cornerstones of civilisation. There have been no civilizations without enforced monogamy, bar Islam which was mostly monogymous.

It is apparent that on the current course it will not be possible to sustain a contiguous society over one generation, at which point game will be worthless.

Promotion of Fornication

Given Roosh's path it is not feasible to continue running a platform that gives men the knowledge to get access to sex. There are a few guys who a larger number of women are happy to have sex with. That increases abroad. But after that you increasingly get towards men/boys who are not grade-A specimens with precise game. They rely more on promising something, like a future, and then disappearing. There is a lot of wreckage from this world both to women who got played by more soy-like men and those who had their fill of Chad and wasted their lives away. This is eating away at society. We are already back to polygamy, but this time the men don't have to provide any resources, they just have to be high status. Prostitution is booming and seeping into normal, middle-class girls raised in a decaying culture and images of naked 10s are now of now value.

This forum was a small buttress to this and it is too big a weight to continue bearing when you have chosen to walk in the other direction.

The Sacrifice

Some have respected Roosh's decision without agreeing, but I've not heard anything of the sacrifice.

Roosh has stopped selling a lot of books, the forum traffic is down by about a third - probably more now some threads have gone private. These are big sacrifices that must have a considerable financial impact.

It is a bold move, which I think will pay off, not necessarily in a financial way. It is a leap of faith.

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But on this journey, remember the name of God begins with a J.

My prediction is that over the next ten years the left will go more insane than they already have. Underneath the surface a counter-culture is growing and this forum represents something of an antithetical position to the mainstream. As people continue to be disaffected by the mainstream/left, they will inevitably gravitate to something approaching a polar opposite of it. As economic growth fails and fallout from IG thotting, a decaying welfare state, gender dysphoria and the rest of it, then the seeds we have planted can take fruit.


On the topic of solution to dating or relationships mentioned in the thread, this may be group frame.
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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
Roosh Tours 23 cities in search of his missing balls.

Click here for full details.

Also please delete my account ya filthy animal.
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A NasaTestPilot sock account from 2015?

Wow, that's quite a vintage.

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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
(10-01-2019 08:04 AM)gework Wrote:  Needing Game for Women

It is a good point that you need game for women, but I think it's not quite right. You need frame for women - you need game to keep thots entertained long enough to slip at least one in. Game is a mirage that is thrown up - it's mental peacocking. It may induce women into a desired position in the short-term, while frame will achieve it over a lifetime.

Whereby frame is presenting yourself in a way, often implied rather than explicit, that you have rules and boundaries. Game is a bag of tricks you use to penetrate boundaries in the shortest term possible. It is the extremes of R/K selection.

Can confirm this. My game is more or less beginner-intermediate level while my frame is a tank.

Recently I went with a girl on my first guitar gig unexpectedly. This happened completely spontaneously: "Hey, we want to sing a few worship songs to end our conference, you two with the guitars can you play along?" - "Yeah, sure!"

A minute later I, who just started guitar a few weeks ago, stood with her in front of about 30 people. The whole 20 minute session was essentially holding frame while just winging it, especially after the digital lead sheet messed up and we had to go freestyle. I just barely made it to the end, but never lost it. This is the kind of stuff which boost your confidence, and confidence is what attracts women.
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(10-01-2019 02:25 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 01:16 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:55 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:08 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  I probably would have married my high school sweetheart if not for you and other red pill thought leaders.

And why would that had been a bad outcome?

You found a better wife and are married with children now?

She was very controlling and her family was crazy. Lots of red flags, but she was hot and came from money so most people thought I hit the jackpot and were jealous that I landed her and fully supported me marrying her. After I broke it off, she slept with my ex-friend and slutted it up and went no where in her career/life. I focused on my stem degree and then career/investments instead of what would have been raising a family and dealing with her bullshit. I have been in several relationships since that have all been less crazy than her, but I just get bored after a few months. It's hard for me to connect with people intellectually. I would probably be divorced, broke, and be a single dad if I had not red pilled at that time. I'm doing great, I am almost peaking. I was a late bloomer so my SMV has only gone up since I broke up in my early 20s. Right now I am getting ready to travel overseas and I am just living a mellow life enjoying my freedom. These new rules aren't going to change my plan that I have been working towards this past decade, I just won't post about it. 99.99% of my friends fell in the blue pill trap (marriage, kids, broke, wage slave) that I almost did, but Roosh taught me a lot about how women really are (hypergamy, lie, vindictive, etc.). I don't think I am ever going to get married, the incentives/consequences just promote fleecing the man and taking his kids. I grew up Catholic, but after learning about all the orgies/selling indulgences and general debauchery of the church, I am more into quantum theory than any specific religion, though I do have a high moral compass and think overall religion is a net positive for society. Take it for what it's worth, but for me once I red pilled about the true nature of girls, I red pilled about everything else too, and that is why and how I am in a favorable position now.

So you both fell into the casual dating trap with her being much worse off after being with you. Obviously casual dating never leads into a successful marriage, but how should Western parents know?

The remainder of your post sounds more like the Black Pill with "women being evil" and how providing for a family is bad. The natural successor of the Black Pill is the God Pill, when you realize that our Lord made our girls like this for a reason: to test your abilities to be a father. The GP also provides you with the tools to find and vet marriage candidates and successfully lead a wife, so you can follow your true vocation.

So people, who embark on a journey towards a dead end (personal and societal) can't use the forum now to encourage others to follow them.

I have always believed in God, I just think religion is a man made concept that leads to corruption and evil. It's not "black" pill, it's understanding the behavioral evolution of women throughout history. Women have procreated with the top 20% of men over time, so the math works out that those 20% of men had children with 5 women each. The bottom 80% of men died out since no woman wanted their seed. Now we have welfare and the state to take care of the bottom 80%, which is why these men are surviving yet wondering why their wives are constantly cucking them with a top 20% man.

Marriage is a man made creation as well, and it is used in the West to break down the family structure through incentives. There is no reason why the state needs to be involved in your family/sex life, it is just another way to control the masses. I will eventually have kids, but that will be with a peak fertility girl in the future and has no bearing on me enjoying bachelor life right now. When you are a high value man with resources, you call the shots. I would recommend becoming that high value man first, before considering marriage, to anyone reading this post. It's a blue pill trap, that I figured this forum would know better. I'm fine being the intolerant minority though, I usually am irl.
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(10-01-2019 02:22 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 02:25 AM)wwtl Wrote:  So you both fell into the casual dating trap with her being much worse off after being with you. Obviously casual dating never leads into a successful marriage, but how should Western parents know?

The remainder of your post sounds more like the Black Pill with "women being evil" and how providing for a family is bad. The natural successor of the Black Pill is the God Pill, when you realize that our Lord made our girls like this for a reason: to test your abilities to be a father. The GP also provides you with the tools to find and vet marriage candidates and successfully lead a wife, so you can follow your true vocation.

So people, who embark on a journey towards a dead end (personal and societal) can't use the forum now to encourage others to follow them.

I have always believed in God, I just think religion is a man made concept that leads to corruption and evil. It's not "black" pill, it's understanding the behavioral evolution of women throughout history. Women have procreated with the top 20% of men over time, so the math works out that those 20% of men had children with 5 women each. The bottom 80% of men died out since no woman wanted their seed. Now we have welfare and the state to take care of the bottom 80%, which is why these men are surviving yet wondering why their wives are constantly cucking them with a top 20% man.

Marriage is a man made creation as well, and it is used in the West to break down the family structure through incentives. There is no reason why the state needs to be involved in your family/sex life, it is just another way to control the masses. I will eventually have kids, but that will be with a peak fertility girl in the future and has no bearing on me enjoying bachelor life right now. When you are a high value man with resources, you call the shots. I would recommend becoming that high value man first, before considering marriage, to anyone reading this post. It's a blue pill trap, that I figured this forum would know better. I'm fine being the intolerant minority though, I usually am irl.

You say you believe in God, yet you don't understand anything about the Creation.

But first we need to separate between non-believers and believers. Of course non-believers aren't without religion, they just worship idols, the dollar, the state, the climate or whatever they chose to worship. In most cases they end up with worshiping Satan by proxy and bear the consequences.

From the perspective of a non-believer your sermon makes sense.

Now for a believer like me all this is completely irrelevant. I took the God Pill - the ultimate Red Pill, means I see the Matrix. The only One I care about is the Creator Himself, because He is in control of my life, not some state, not some statistics and not some fornicators doing stuff which doesn't affect my life the slightest.

After submitting my entire life to the Lord, I do not have to worry about anything. I have to do nothing except waiting for the Lord, having faith and show obedience. The Lord already knows the outcome, He already knows if I have faith and if I obey. That's why He can make detailed promises about fully answering my prayer spoken after my conversion. The Lord never breaks His promises. I don't have to become anything before considering anything, because God will turn me into exactly what I need to be for His plan.

You see my approach is completely different. My goal is Heaven and my stay on this fallen Earth is only temporary. That doesn't mean I won't fight evil and do good. I will while walking with the Lord.
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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
(09-26-2019 12:36 PM)rotekz Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 12:25 PM)zoom Wrote:  I think removing the game section was a mistake. Most guys will need some game in order to find a wife. Essential skills like cold approach, displaying value, flirting, body language awareness, etc are important for any single man. Moving some game threads over to the relationship section isn't enough, in my opinion.

It has not been removed. It is closed to new posts. This is not an issue because everything that could ever be written about game has already been covered there many times over. Use the search function. If you need to post in a game forum you will have to go elsewhere.

I would admit that most topics and variations on themes have been written; however, guys who are going through those kinds of situations themselves will frequently need to think through their situations in order to figure out what to do, which might be facilitated by brainstorming with other guys, whether those other guys are more experienced or less experienced, guys sometimes can be blinded by being caught up in their own circumstances, which remains one of the advantages of any forum that allows discussion of the good, bad and the ugly of such dilemmas.

A lot of the matters that I learned in this forum, in my more than 6 years of membership, has not just been through reading about what other guys have to say but instead presenting my own circumstances within a thread or talking through some of my then circumstances in order to help me in helping myself - I doubt that learning sinks in as well when merely just reading it in a kind of passive manner rather than active involvement in the discussion of current circumstances and seeming puzzles from the personal perspective.
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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
Boy this place has changed! Hadn’t logged in for a year or so, even forgot my login and password (work..and well, I guess I’d learned what I needed to learn).
One of the best it certainly was.

This new version is, erm... interesting. A bit like watching Monty Python.
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