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Indonesia May Ban Sex Before Marriage
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Indonesia protests over sex before marriage bill


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Quote:Police have fired tear gas and water cannons at protesters demonstrating outside the Indonesian parliament over a proposed new criminal code that would ban sex before marriage.

Protests against the bill also took place in other cities in the country.

The bill would outlaw most abortions and make insulting the president illegal.

The bill has been delayed, but protesters are concerned it could still eventually pass through parliament.

What's in the controversial bill?

The proposed new criminal code includes the following:
  • Sex before marriage would be criminalised and could result in a one-year prison term
  • Living together outside marriage could lead to a six-month prison sentence
  • Insulting the president, vice president, religion, state institutions and symbols such as the flag and national anthem would be illegal
  • Abortion would carry a maximum four-year prison term if there were no circumstances of a medical emergency or rape

The bill was initially scheduled for a vote on Tuesday - however, President Joko Widodo postponed the vote on Friday, stating that that new laws needed more consideration.

Why are people protesting?

Despite the delay, many Indonesians are concerned that the bill could still be pushed through parliament.

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There is also anger over the passing of a new law that has weakened the Corruption Eradication Commission, an important arm in rooting out corruption.

What happened on Tuesday?

Thousands of protesters, many of which were students, took to the streets in cities across Indonesia.

The main clashes took place in the capital Jakarta as demonstrators demanded to meet parliament speaker Bambang Soesatyo.

Protesters pelted police with rocks, who responded with tear gas and water cannons.

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One placard held by a woman said: "My crotch does not belong to the government".

Protests in other areas, including Yogyakarta and Makassar on Sulawesi island, continued for a second day.

"We're going to parliament to oppose the new law for the anti-corruption agency that are not pro-people but are pro-corruptors," Fuad Wahyudin, 21-year-old student from an Islamic university in West Java, told Reuters.

More than 5,000 police have reportedly been deployed to maintain security in Jakarta.
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2019 02:05 AM by WalterBlack.)
09-25-2019 02:04 AM
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I assume the Indonesian government is throwing out an idea to fight the rampant overpopulation in their country?

On the surface this is dumber than China’s old one child policy but I get why they are trying. They need to start a prolonged war with India and China, that will solve a lot of their problems

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09-25-2019 02:13 AM
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Good luck enforcing that in the provinces.

And I don't just mean the fact that the simple country people, especially the young, have little else to enjoy but sex.

A lot like London and the rest of the UK there is a split between Muslim Java and the rest of the Muslim and Christian areas of the country.

Java wants to impose its culture on those in Kalimantan, Sulawesi, Bali, Sumatra.. of course Irian Jaya. They have killed many, many in the past.

They use continuously expanding laws and taxes to impose their will (often just corrupt bribe extraction). They also use population change exporting their Muslim populations to Christian areas everywhere and sparking sectarian violence.

In Kalimantan they tried to penalise the Christian Dayaks through local by-laws because they were 'undeveloped' compared to their Javanese brethren. It was a 'civilising mission'. Penalised them because of their 'foreign' practices (foreign to Java) like eating 3 meals a day.

But..when you bear in mind that the imported Banjar Muslims also ate 3 times a day, but defined their breakfasts as a copious 'snacks' then you can see how the 'foreign-ness' of Dayak culture was a by-word for 'just-not-Javanese-or-even-Muslim' and therefore in need of subjugation..
You can also see how Javanese rules being imposed on far-flung local populations might be viewed by those locals.

I would see this as just another imposition of Javanese rules and penalties and fines on the rest of Indonesia by Jakarta.

middle class Feminist anger etc. in decadent metropolitan areas is secondary to that.
09-25-2019 04:09 AM
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(09-25-2019 02:13 AM)eradicator Wrote:  They need to start a prolonged war with India and China, that will solve a lot of their problems

I've argued for awhile now that a land war between India and China would benefit both countries. It would rid the country of peasant males and bring things back to equilibrium.

In about 30 years a massive war between China and the U.S. makes a lot of sense too if you're part of the globohomo establishment. Especially if the U.S. brings back conscription. The U.S. has a male surplus as well which is artificially inflated with migrants and immigration. Plus by that point the blacks and browns will have outlived their usefulness to the system once they become a clear drag on the system as a whole.

It will also reset the inherent economic issues with debt.
09-25-2019 04:25 AM
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(09-25-2019 04:25 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 02:13 AM)eradicator Wrote:  They need to start a prolonged war with India and China, that will solve a lot of their problems

I've argued for awhile now that a land war between India and China would benefit both countries. It would rid the country of peasant males and bring things back to equilibrium.

In about 30 years a massive war between China and the U.S. makes a lot of sense too if you're part of the globohomo establishment. Especially if the U.S. brings back conscription. The U.S. has a male surplus as well which is artificially inflated with migrants and immigration. Plus by that point the blacks and browns will have outlived their usefulness to the system once they become a clear drag on the system as a whole.

It will also reset the inherent economic issues with debt.

I hear what you are saying but 30 years from now most Americans wouldn't tolerate conscription. A generation raised on safe spaces, matriarchy, open borders, anti-2nd amendment and LGBTQXYZ would rather be forceably imprisoned than take up arms. I think advances in drones and robot technology would also make conscription unnecessary.

Now China and India, or China and Africa seem a lot more feasible.
09-25-2019 04:50 AM
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Any long term war involving India would bring swift intervention from the US to avoid losing their low cost labor source. Hypothetically however, a war between India and China with no intervention would be a great victory for the western male.
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(09-25-2019 05:00 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  
Any long term war involving India would bring swift intervention from the US to avoid losing their low cost labor source. Hypothetically however, a war between India and China with no intervention would be a great victory for the western male.

Besides being inhumane, that's incredibly wrong. A massive war involving India or China would unleash the greatest migration of males into the West. 1% of males from those countries emigrate to Europe/N. America means a wave of 20 million migrants. 5% of males leaving means nearly 100 million emigrants, or complete demographic takeover.

War between China and India wouldn't make a dent in their demography. They could lose 10 million men and barely notice. The real threat is full-blown nuclear war between India and Pakistan, which could result in a couple dozen million dead, and hundreds of million more in the aftermath. Modi is stupid enough that the probability of this happening is ~1%, which means it is in the realm of possibility.

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(09-25-2019 07:45 PM)911 Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 05:00 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  
Any long term war involving India would bring swift intervention from the US to avoid losing their low cost labor source. Hypothetically however, a war between India and China with no intervention would be a great victory for the western male.

Besides being inhumane, that's incredibly wrong. A massive war involving India or China would unleash the greatest migration of males into the West. 1% of males from those countries emigrate to Europe/N. America means a wave of 20 million migrants. 5% of males leaving means nearly 100 million emigrants, or complete demographic takeover.

War between China and India wouldn't make a dent in their demography. They could lose 10 million men and barely notice. The real threat is full-blown nuclear war between India and Pakistan, which could result in a couple dozen million dead, and hundreds of million more in the aftermath. Modi is stupid enough that the probability of this happening is ~1%, which means it is in the realm of possibility.

You're right. I didn't think that through. Something has to happen though. There is going to be a complete demographic takeover from India eventually. Depending on where you are in Canada, some places look pretty much 90% Indian already.
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@911

The only thing that will make a dent is the black death rerun.
09-25-2019 09:18 PM
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I wonder how they expect to actually regulate this sex Ban. Mandatory cameras in every room?
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(09-25-2019 09:35 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I wonder how they expect to actually regulate this sex Ban. Mandatory cameras in every room?

If you pay all the taxes on the books in the DRC you pay over 200% of your earnings.

In Indonesia, this means more rules, more penalties - just another way to punish, or gouge for money, those that government functionaries don't like.

Another reason for locals to keep their heads down and not get on the wrong side of their rulers, because they're already guilty of breathing or sex or something.

It also plays to a hard-core muslim base, look how we are the party of islamic propriety.
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Indonesia is a ridiculous country. If you've spent some time there you'd know that everything is severely broken or corrupt there.

There is a major political force of islamofascists who constantly try to push the overton window farther and farther towards a complete theocracy. A lot of normal indos really dislike this but there's nothing they can do because even if you complain about something like how loud the mosque speakers are you can get thrown into prison and heavily fined.

If they can push this law through then it won't be long before they can impose strict sharia on non muslims as well. I think it's likely that non muslims in indonesia are starting to see the writing on the wall like it's 1998 all over again.

The thing about Indonesia though is that the women there really are some of the biggest carousel riders in SEA. I would rank them #1 on the whore scale in SEA. Way more whorish than any other country by far. The girls who do party just bounce from cock to cock constantly.
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From a practical point of view, I'd like to know if this could affect me. I'm supposed to travel there in a couple of weeks for an extended period of time.
Of course, I have plans to date the local ladies. I've been to Indo before and have a couple of them waiting for my return.

My understanding is that this hasn't become law just yet. So, is it still OK to have intimate relations before marriage? Or have the moral police already started raising eye-brows? Are hotel staff giving disapproving looks when a bule walks into the elevator with a Javanese cutie?

Does anyone who's actually there right now know what impact this is having on folks like us who want a bit of romance on our travels?
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Even if it passes, I wouldn’t expect to see much enforcement. People perhaps forget that fornication was a common law crime throughout much of the English-speaking world until rather recently. Much as this law would be, it was mostly used as a tool for nosy or overzealous prosecutors to selectively enforce against people they did not like.
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