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Hi All,

I have just read a few books by EMJ, "Islam and Logos" and "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit".

There is almost no criticism of EMJ on this forum, so I thought I would create a thread on this.

Long explanation before short review. TLDR:
  • Red-pill
  • Game
  • Manosphere
  • Review - EMJ is selling
Before I review...

On the Red-pill

The red-pill is simply the acknowledgement of the differences between the sexes and the awareness of the female nature. For example:
  • Hypergamy
  • Preselection
  • etc
Actually, a lot of people are red-pill but do not know it as such, and are unaware of the jargon.

Game is the collection of strategies and tactics based on these concepts, none of this is a science, just an art. Pick up art. You have:
  • Inner Game
  • Outer Game
  • Logistics
  • etc
There are many different schools of this, what may suit one may not suit the other.

The only political opinions that logically follow the red-pill (follow as in how metaphysics followed where physics ended), are those that define the gender-roles based on the knowledge of the differences between the sexes and on the economic and the physical environment. These are not red-pill per se, they come after. The red-pill was always descriptive, never prescriptive. Prescriptive wanders into philosophy, religion and politics. Game is an art the utilizes the red-pill.

The Alpha-Beta dichotomy is not red-pill. Its origin is in ignorant misunderstanding of science. The other Greek letters are even more cringe-worthy in this context.

The dichotomy leads to ignorant insults and bad honor codes.

On the Manosphere

The red-pill overlaps with the Manosphere, but the two are not synonymous.

Over the past decade or so, there have been numerous polemic characters who have entered Manosphere, copying red-pill concepts from Game blogs and forums, and speaking on polemics. Often, copying incorrectly.

The most common ones were on anti-feminism but soon, this expanded to many other topics ranging from relatively benign conservative opinions on immigration to race politics and IQ and eye-irritatingly poisonous Kekistani slogans.

This began with:
  • Sargon of Akkad
  • Thunderf00t
  • Bearing
  • The Naked Ape
  • etc
And then was followed by Paul Joseph Watson, Milo, Lauren Southern and so on.

The list grew to include conspiracy theorists and cranks like Richard Spencer, Alex Jones, David Icke and more.

The worst was when the Chan image boards joined in the crank magnetism.

Now, if you did not buy what these guys were selling, you were a "Beta male".

EMJ is also selling.

The Review

EMJ is Catholic. His talking points reflect his background. Nothing new.

In some of his books he focuses on the morality surrounding sex. RVF is on EMJ now, not really a co-incidence.

The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit

This was a lot of reading, spanning 2000 years of history.

In short, he blames the Jews for everything, but does verbal gymnastics to avoid falling into the definition of a racist.

Islam and Logos

This is written on the backdrop of a discussion between EMJ and a Shia Cleric in Qom, Iran.

This is actually an attack on Sola Scriptura and Protestantism. Not much to do with Islam. Even Chapter 5 "What is Islam?" is not really about Islam. There is no introduction to the beliefs (six articles) nor to the practices (five pillars) nor to the primary sources (Qur'an and Sunnah), just a poorly structured mish-mash of geopolitics and history. Even then, jumping back and forth through history with no definitions or explanations. Boring.

It makes sense why he keeps reminding of the reader about his trip to Iran, what the book presents is complete BS mixed with historical and geopolitical facts. No theological value whatsoever in a book supposedly comparing another religion to EMJ's own Catholic perspective.

A lot of his statements are just plain wrong.

He subtly suggests that the Sola Scriptura approach leads to violent extremism.

He writes to a non-Muslim audience and expects that the readers do not verify the statements.

He is selling.

This is not red-pill.
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Red Pill as I understand it goes back to the choice in the Matrix, to know the truth, even if it is difficult. I am not a Manosphere / Red Pill expert.

In this respect EMJ is Red Pill because he explains things that the mainstream does not want you to know. He explains truths that are difficult to digest - Sexual Freedom as Political Control, Usury, JQ, etc.

In reading Baron Metal, I can say that is very long. The books are as much history as they are thesis proving. He could make these points in a more concise manner for the reader to take away the learnings, but that is not his approach. For this reason the book is long and I have set it aside for the time being, I am 200 + pages and he is still talking medici era Italy so I had to take a break.

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i herd him say that AIDS/HIV was fake and there was no such thing.... men were only dying cause the gay lifestyle is unhealthy.

After hearing that (which I don't believe) its kind of hard to take him as serious, even though he has many agreeable views on other topics.

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(09-25-2019 03:05 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  i herd him say that AIDS/HIV was fake and there was no such thing.... men were only dying cause the gay lifestyle is unhealthy.

After hearing that (which I don't believe) its kind of hard to take him as serious, even though he has many agreeable views on other topics.

Huh I went fully for that one! They were saying the whole continent of Africa had aids and was gonna die. Then now it's just disappeared, I think the Afros were getting to Christian and reproducing too much.

The new Solution is to just bring em into your local neighbourhood.

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I guess my reaction to this is that you are upset that EMJ is not appealing to a non catholic audience, which is kind of the point. He writes for two people: christians/ catholics, and people looking for a new path in this world of liberalism. You're likely pro Islam, and may be one yourself, but do not feel upset when a book on dogs doesn't put any other pet into good light. I came into this thread expecting you to maybe make a claim that EMJ was fake in some way, but so far I just see a ranting that he is too scientific and also biased.

Yes, that's his niche and his position. Not everyone has to appeal to everyone.
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I don't know if he is serious about Jesus being the Logos, or this is just a strategy to get people to talk with each other instead of committing violence.

It is not literally true. God is love. That is true.

Logos may be a part of Love, but Love isn't a part of Logos.

Just search for Logos verses and search for Love verses in the New Testament.

It is very obvious that Love and not Order is the main message.

I don't see how he could miss this. He pays lip service to Love every now and then.

I love EMJ as a character and a polemicist.

Trying to say that Logos is the main thing in the Bible seems like a castle in the air though.

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(09-25-2019 02:49 PM)OskuroPekenyo Wrote:  Hi All,

I have just read a few books by EMJ, "Islam and Logos" and "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit".

There is almost no criticism of EMJ on this forum, so I thought I would create a thread on this.
On the Red-pill

The red-pill is simply the acknowledgement of the differences between the sexes and the awareness of the female nature. For example:
  • Hypergamy
  • Preselection
  • etc

Red pill, in the movie, refers to seeing the artificial matrix that the big jews have created to enslave us and feed off of our energy. Similar to the glasses in They Live.

The name of the ship in the Matrix was The Nebuchadnezzar and it had "Mark III No. 11" (Mark 3:11) on it. The humans fighting the (((machines))) were based out of Zion.

They made it fairly obvious.

Pickup artists picked up the term, but that's not what it's about at all - it's like a 3rd grade understanding of the movie.

Fornicating with a lot of women would be the equivalent of watching the woman in the red dress - a distraction.
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(09-25-2019 04:37 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I don't know if he is serious about Jesus being the Logos, or this is just a strategy to get people to talk with each other instead of committing violence.

It is not literally true. God is love. That is true.

Logos may be a part of Love, but Love isn't a part of Logos.

Just search for Logos verses and search for Love verses in the New Testament.

It is very obvious that Love and not Order is the main message.

I don't see how he could miss this. He pays lip service to Love every now and then.

I love EMJ as a character and a polemicist.

Trying to say that Logos is the main thing in the Bible seems like a castle in the air though.

The Bible says that the Logos is God, and also that God is love. Order and love cannot truly be separated, because love is the foundation of why God has created all of this for us in the first place. Ivan Ilyn described Christ as "objective perfection," which means both perfect harmony (order) and perfect love, in their highest possible aspects, free of any stain or blemish.

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My main issue with him stems towards oversimplification. He always tries to reduce things down to a single effect of "The Jews".

That said I HAVE tried to come at him and I've researched some of his more outlandish historical statements like claims of an incident where Jews poisoned wells.

So far I haven't been able to find any historical fact he's cited that's flat out wrong. There's a few with some conflicting accounts but that's the most wrong I've been able to find. That said he's also so strongly into the exoteric Catholic doctrine that he suffers from a lack of inquisitiveness into what actually drives that tribe (Medeans->Medes->Media.....many confusing things become clear if you're fortunate enough to have been taught Latin or another ancient language) to do what they do, why there's a huge amount of cult like behavior and multi-layered secret societies surrounding their religion, and the real significance of Abraham.

Esoteric religions (such as those that initiated Jewry subscribe to) recognize a distinction between YHWW and the "creator of all" (the force/entity that Christians understand as "God").

I ascribe to a lot of beliefs that would be ascribed as "heretical" by some Catholics, but I am not a heretic because I accept all Catholic doctines as written. However I also believe that it's like looking at a sculpture: you see one picture when looking at it from one angle, then if you rotate 90 degrees to the side you see a different picture. Both are correct and it is impossible to know the actual shape unless one sees both sides. The existence of a devil and a Holy, Triune Creator does not preclude the existence of other entities native to our reality that have motives both malicious and altruistic.
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(09-25-2019 04:37 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I don't know if he is serious about Jesus being the Logos, or this is just a strategy to get people to talk with each other instead of committing violence.

It is not literally true. God is love. That is true.

Logos may be a part of Love, but Love isn't a part of Logos.

Just search for Logos verses and search for Love verses in the New Testament.

It is very obvious that Love and not Order is the main message.

I don't see how he could miss this. He pays lip service to Love every now and then.

I love EMJ as a character and a polemicist.

Trying to say that Logos is the main thing in the Bible seems like a castle in the air though.


In the beginning was Logos, and Logos was with God, and Logos was God.

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You clearly lack the mental capacity to understand where EMJ is coming from. "On his book the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, he blames Jews for everything"...Right, that's the whole point of the book. What else were you expecting? It's also true. Jews are behind every single movement that's been detrimental to the West, so it's not like it's a lie. No reason to complain about it.

Second, there's a clear difference between criticizing their religion, VS what Wignats do and blame them solely on the basis of race. EMJ is critizing them from a religious point of view, which is completely different from WIGNATS.

Judging from other comments here, it's also clear that they haven't watched a EMJ video in its entirety, spreading lies and misunderstanding what he says, only going by what they read online or quick video snipets.

With only so few post, and trying to give us an unnecessary, convoluted history lesson on the subject of "red pill/manosphere"(youre preaching to the choir) , and literally only having a paragraph about the subject, i have to conclude that OP is a fed or controlled opposition of some kind to get us to not listen or read EMJs work. Just a hunch.
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Screeching at people for being stupid isn't a winning argument.

And yeah. Even if the guy is a fed, that doesn't make the post useless. You need to pressure-test your own arguments before trying to make them and doubly so if you're just trying to seek truth yourself
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The main problem I have with him is that he doesn't recognize biological differences between people and believes ethnicity is all about religion. For example, he said that the only reason Africa isn't as developed as Europe is because Europe has been Christian for longer. He also said that if say an Indian moves to Poland, learns Polish and adapts the culture, he is now in fact an ethnic Pole. He also believes that Northern Europeans were African-tier before they became Christianized. I guess he thinks the same of ancient Romans and Greeks as well.
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I take a stance somewhere in the middle. Different religions do have a significant effect on the eugenics/dysgenics of a population. The enforcement of monogamy has strong eugenic effect whereas polygamous societies have a significant dysgenic effect due to parents spending their resources pursuing additional females rather than investing in the first female's offspring.
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(09-25-2019 03:56 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  I guess my reaction to this is that you are upset that EMJ is not appealing to a non catholic audience, which is kind of the point. He writes for two people: christians/ catholics, and people looking for a new path in this world of liberalism. You're likely pro Islam, and may be one yourself, but do not feel upset when a book on dogs doesn't put any other pet into good light. I came into this thread expecting you to maybe make a claim that EMJ was fake in some way, but so far I just see a ranting that he is too scientific and also biased.

Yes, that's his niche and his position. Not everyone has to appeal to everyone.

You're right about his niche, I was expecting that he is primarily appealing to a Christian audience and I am perfectly fine with this expectation on his other books.

What I did not expect though was that he did not do the comparison at all in "Islam and Logos". I got it looking for some interesting arguments from his perspective. It is perfectly fine if it is not all pro-Islam, he is Catholic so of course, but at least a discussion was expected. I was looking for his opinions and his perspective, I did not have to agree, but I did not get them. Instead, I got something else with misconceptions and buzzwords on Islam.

I agree with him in his criticism of low sexual behaviour.

(09-25-2019 02:58 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  Red Pill as I understand it goes back to the choice in the Matrix, to know the truth, even if it is difficult. I am not a Manosphere / Red Pill expert.

In this respect EMJ is Red Pill because he explains things that the mainstream does not want you to know. He explains truths that are difficult to digest - Sexual Freedom as Political Control, Usury, JQ, etc.

In reading Baron Metal, I can say that is very long. The books are as much history as they are thesis proving. He could make these points in a more concise manner for the reader to take away the learnings, but that is not his approach. For this reason the book is long and I have set it aside for the time being, I am 200 + pages and he is still talking medici era Italy so I had to take a break.

This is true to the term red-pill in general, but THE Red-pill on the Manosphere was originally on disillusionment in feminist dogma on dating and relationships. What followed then was the click-bait use of the term. This led to everyone using the term leading to misconceptions.

This mini-documentary on 8chan for example has the chan idea of the red-pill.

Perhaps it is time to retire the overused term.

(09-25-2019 04:50 PM)VNvet Wrote:  Red pill, in the movie, refers to seeing the artificial matrix that the big jews have created to enslave us and feed off of our energy. Similar to the glasses in They Live.

The name of the ship in the Matrix was The Nebuchadnezzar and it had "Mark III No. 11" (Mark 3:11) on it. The humans fighting the (((machines))) were based out of Zion.

They made it fairly obvious.

Pickup artists picked up the term, but that's not what it's about at all - it's like a 3rd grade understanding of the movie.

Fornicating with a lot of women would be the equivalent of watching the woman in the red dress - a distraction.

Back in the Noughties, early online Manosphere, there were many dating gurus, coaches and books. Bang was one of these books and this forum was started in the late Noughties, from within this context.

The red-pill was adapted from the movie like you said, but the context then was the PUA culture. It was that both sexes were different, and had different expectations from one another when it came to dating and relationships. This was different from the "equality" narrative.

The choice of metaphor here referred to its "difficult to digest" nature for men who grew up with feminist values. It was the community that chose the metaphor from the culture for this purpose. The writers of the movie had a completely different idea and were not involved in this choice.

You're interpreting from the movie directly, with a more political tone and Post-Bang RVF influences.

Maybe a look at the past and what problems it attempted to solve might give some clues on which direction to take the forum.

It is very difficult to lead long-term relationships without good wisdom on human nature.

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Quote:Second, there's a clear difference between criticizing their religion, VS what Wignats do and blame them solely on the basis of race. EMJ is critizing them from a religious point of view, which is completely different from WIGNATS.

His premise is that the Judaism/Jewishness is antilogos because of its very rejection of Jesus (pbuh). He then states that he is not against them for their race but is against their religion. He then presents examples of figures of all philosophical persuasion of a Jewish origin including both religious and irreligious.

Quote:and believes ethnicity is all about religion

If this is true then it may interact interestingly with the previous point.

Quote:polygamous societies

For me it depends on which kind.

A limited polygyny where wealth is not spent unless in marriage, women have a choice and the father has to approve, seems OK to me. Resources are not spread too thin, otherwise the wife or her father would object. The father is involved.

Polygyny is common even in legally monogamous societies.

An unlimited polygyny outside of marriage or polyandry is a different story altogether.
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(09-25-2019 06:02 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 04:37 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I don't know if he is serious about Jesus being the Logos, or this is just a strategy to get people to talk with each other instead of committing violence.

It is not literally true. God is love. That is true.

Logos may be a part of Love, but Love isn't a part of Logos.

Just search for Logos verses and search for Love verses in the New Testament.

It is very obvious that Love and not Order is the main message.

I don't see how he could miss this. He pays lip service to Love every now and then.

I love EMJ as a character and a polemicist.

Trying to say that Logos is the main thing in the Bible seems like a castle in the air though.

The Bible says that the Logos is God, and also that God is love. Order and love cannot truly be separated, because love is the foundation of why God has created all of this for us in the first place. Ivan Ilyn described Christ as "objective perfection," which means both perfect harmony (order) and perfect love, in their highest possible aspects, free of any stain or blemish.

Right, but Jones speaks almost exclusively about order, and very little about love. That is the point I was making. You are saying almost the same thing I am with regard to him.

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(09-26-2019 11:38 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  
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(09-25-2019 04:37 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I don't know if he is serious about Jesus being the Logos, or this is just a strategy to get people to talk with each other instead of committing violence.

It is not literally true. God is love. That is true.

Logos may be a part of Love, but Love isn't a part of Logos.

Just search for Logos verses and search for Love verses in the New Testament.

It is very obvious that Love and not Order is the main message.

I don't see how he could miss this. He pays lip service to Love every now and then.

I love EMJ as a character and a polemicist.

Trying to say that Logos is the main thing in the Bible seems like a castle in the air though.

The Bible says that the Logos is God, and also that God is love. Order and love cannot truly be separated, because love is the foundation of why God has created all of this for us in the first place. Ivan Ilyn described Christ as "objective perfection," which means both perfect harmony (order) and perfect love, in their highest possible aspects, free of any stain or blemish.

Right, but Jones speaks almost exclusively about order, and very little about love. That is the point I was making. You are saying almost the same thing I am with regard to him.

Yes but if John defines Jesus as LOGOS, then everything that Jesus does falls under LOGOS. Including Love. N'est pas?

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Jones is saying that telling the truth and nothing but the truth is love incarnate.

That's when you truly love the other person.
And from past experience, the most profound blue sky moments and ephinanies of my life happened when I actually do that.

Far from being a red pill, the truth is a harsh white pill, because you stop bullshitting yourself about yourself, and everybody else around you and because of this everybody, EVERYBODY benefits. The heart and logical mind melded = the soul.


Not this false compassion "love" the world is drowning in.



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(09-26-2019 11:38 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 06:02 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 04:37 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I don't know if he is serious about Jesus being the Logos, or this is just a strategy to get people to talk with each other instead of committing violence.

It is not literally true. God is love. That is true.

Logos may be a part of Love, but Love isn't a part of Logos.

Just search for Logos verses and search for Love verses in the New Testament.

It is very obvious that Love and not Order is the main message.

I don't see how he could miss this. He pays lip service to Love every now and then.

I love EMJ as a character and a polemicist.

Trying to say that Logos is the main thing in the Bible seems like a castle in the air though.

The Bible says that the Logos is God, and also that God is love. Order and love cannot truly be separated, because love is the foundation of why God has created all of this for us in the first place. Ivan Ilyn described Christ as "objective perfection," which means both perfect harmony (order) and perfect love, in their highest possible aspects, free of any stain or blemish.

Right, but Jones speaks almost exclusively about order, and very little about love. That is the point I was making. You are saying almost the same thing I am with regard to him.

Yes but if John defines Jesus as LOGOS, then everything that Jesus does falls under LOGOS. Including Love. N'est pas?

I think he is using one line out of the Bible to exaggerate the importance of the concept he feels most comfortable with.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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(09-26-2019 11:51 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Jones is saying that telling the truth and nothing but the truth is love incarnate.

That's when you truly love the other person.
And from past experience, the most profound blue sky moments and ephinanies of my life happened when I actually do that.

Far from being a red pill, the truth is a harsh white pill, because you stop bullshitting yourself about yourself, and everybody else around you and because of this everybody, EVERYBODY benefits. The heart and logical mind melded = the soul.


Not this false compassion "love" the world is drowning in.



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No he isn't.

He is just talking, mostly, about Logos, period.

And I am not referring to fake love, but the real article, which he mostly sidesteps.

Look, I am glad he is here, and have gotten a lot out of his emphasis on Logos.

It has expanded my understanding of the Gospels.

I am just saying he is being too reductionist, while allowing that his decision may be strategic, that is, in our current polarized times, focusing on Logos will get people back to discussing things and not shouting each other down.

It could be a strategic move, you know. He may not be laying all his cards on the table.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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(09-25-2019 03:05 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  i herd him say that AIDS/HIV was fake and there was no such thing.... men were only dying cause the gay lifestyle is unhealthy.

After hearing that (which I don't believe) its kind of hard to take him as serious, even though he has many agreeable views on other topics.

Except when you look at it you find Nobel price winners in medicine say the same. You find medical researchers - MDs with decades-long careers say the same thing. Don't just throw out a statement on mere conviction that the medical establishment would never ever lie to you about something as big as AIDS.

Besides - what a Muslim who thinks that a 99% Muslim Europe would be great thinks and for whom is Mohammed is the most holy man of the holies - is irrelevant. I could ask what the ADL thinks about EMJ - don't give a rat's ass.
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(09-26-2019 12:46 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 03:05 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  i herd him say that AIDS/HIV was fake and there was no such thing.... men were only dying cause the gay lifestyle is unhealthy.

After hearing that (which I don't believe) its kind of hard to take him as serious, even though he has many agreeable views on other topics.

Except when you look at it you find Nobel price winners in medicine say the same. You find medical researchers - MDs with decades-long careers say the same thing. Don't just throw out a statement on mere conviction that the medical establishment would never ever lie to you about something as big as AIDS.

Besides - what a Muslim who thinks that a 99% Muslim Europe would be great thinks and for whom is Mohammed is the most holy man of the holies - is irrelevant. I could ask what the ADL thinks about EMJ - don't give a rat's ass.

How is this not a thread yet?





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Did he really say AIDS is fake? That would lower my opinion of him a little, to be honest. That’s right up here with 9/11 truthers and anti-vaxxers.
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(09-26-2019 02:14 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Did he really say AIDS is fake? That would lower my opinion of him a little, to be honest. That’s right up here with 9/11 truthers and anti-vaxxers.

I just Created the thread.

This needs to be explored.

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