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(09-30-2019 10:33 AM)questor70 Wrote:  ...I see older professional women who never had kids they invariably use travel to fill up that free time and have almost nothing else to talk about beyond where they've been.

You'll notice the older they get, they more regularly they drink and the more they seem to know about every available show on Netflix, HBO, etc. Add up all those TV hours, along with the time it took to curate the Instagram profile from the weekend fake jet-set theme and you witness a pretty empty life no matter who's paying for the occasional travel.

Any wonder 25% of them are prescribed head meds?

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(09-30-2019 03:23 PM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  Point taken, but.....

Yes, what he's talking about are the girls taking pictures at Scorpios in Mykonos, the beach clubs at Cannes. There aren't many infinity pools at the hostels. He's talking about the glamorous world.
Actually, I'm not. We've all seen those Instagram accounts, with the HB8+ level girl, super gussied up, highly stylized photos, at some private resort or on a yacht or something. I actually even have a former patient who, per her IG account, is now a, uh, "model" for Dan Bilzerian, and I'm sure we all know what that entails. The girls I'm talking about are not at that level. They're 7's, even 6's maybe; girls who are cute in my eyes just because they're so much younger than I, but when I was their own age I wouldn't have thought much of them. And in their photos they're not necessarily looking really dolled up, the photos aren't highly stylized, they're not wearing fancy clothes, they look indistinguishable from family vacation photos in some cases. They're just standing in front of the Eiffel tower or whatever. Very girl next door-ish. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're not whoring themselves out somehow, but most of the girls I'm talking about do not seem to be at the Dubai level.

Also, to the guys who are pointing out I'm talking about Seeking Arrangement girls, I said right in the OP that I've also seen this trend among non-SA girls, whose Instagram accounts I found because they're relatives of acquaintances and things like that. Just random people.

Based on the responses, I think the best explanation is some combination of the following:

1) Some of these girls' parents are either partially funding their luxuries like travel, or subsidizing their everyday living expenses like rent and car payments, such that basically their entire paycheck becomes disposable income they're free to spend on luxuries like travel.
2) International travel these days isn't always as expensive as I thought it was.
3a) These girls are perfectly comfortable living paycheck-to-paycheck, and I, a guy who was raised to be frugal, despite having a good income now, don't really have a grasp on what it's possible to afford on even an entry-level income if you spend literally your entire paycheck and care not a whit for putting anything into a retirement account, saving for a down payment on a house, a 6-month rainy day fund, etc.
3b) These girls place such a high priority on travel that in some cases it's worth it to them to live like paupers in their daily lives, putting some ridiculously high proportion of their income (like 2/3 to 3/4) toward occasional expenditures on Instagrammable luxiries.
4) They actually only take like one trip every six months, but they take a ton of photos and then slowly, intermittently post them over the next several months to make it look like they're traveling more frequently than they really are.
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I don't pay too much attention to IG but my best guess is, since we haven't reached the end of the debt and spoil society, these are either credit card purchases and/or family funded adventures. The shit modern parents let their daughters do is just silly at this point. I've seen it with conservative, rich families even. It's the softness that can't tell a kid what she is doing is stupid, or inability of both parents to be of one mind and just say, "No."

As an aside, I find this to be amazing since it's unrelated to the post (except to say that these aren't bombshells going to Dubai) but absolutely found it to be the case with me biologically:

Quote:They're 7's, even 6's maybe; girls who are cute in my eyes just because they're so much younger than I, but when I was their own age I wouldn't have thought much of them.

As you get older, you just see youth and those that look up to you as ideal. Too hot is a huge pain in the ass, and you know it, so that's another lotto ticket to find an 8 who is also not annoying to deal with day after day. It also means more experience likely in her past, and more demands or game to deal with her. You want a girl who is good looking enough, feminine, fertile and youthful. In the West this is also super hard to find, so it's that much more attractive. A young girl capable of pair bonding is what the forum should all be after.
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(09-30-2019 08:59 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I don't pay too much attention to IG but my best guess is, since we haven't reached the end of the debt and spoil society, these are either credit card purchases and/or family funded adventures. The shit modern parents let their daughters do is just silly at this point. I've seen it with conservative, rich families even. It's the softness that can't tell a kid what she is doing is stupid, or inability of both parents to be of one mind and just say, "No."

As an aside, I find this to be amazing since it's unrelated to the post (except to say that these aren't bombshells going to Dubai) but absolutely found it to be the case with me biologically:

Quote:They're 7's, even 6's maybe; girls who are cute in my eyes just because they're so much younger than I, but when I was their own age I wouldn't have thought much of them.

As you get older, you just see youth and those that look up to you as ideal. Too hot is a huge pain in the ass, and you know it, so that's another lotto ticket to find an 8 who is also not annoying to deal with day after day. It also means more experience likely in her past, and more demands or game to deal with her. You want a girl who is good looking enough, feminine, fertile and youthful. In the West this is also super hard to find, so it's that much more attractive. A young girl capable of pair bonding is what the forum should all be after.

It’s the whole culture of kicking the kids out at 18 mantra we still follow. They have the nerve to study abroad and party in college on student loans. That used to be reserved for actual rich people (college in general too). High time preference yolo behavior that they will have to learn the hard way is not the best choice. They are stealing from their future selves for immediate gratification. Hot girls should be trying to lock down rich guys when they are at peak fertility, not give it away for free to every chad and John they meet only later to have to settle with some poor beta. Sex and the city is a big culprit. Also the government backing all student loans is another big factor, no underwriting is done. It’s all on purpose to further destroy the family unit.
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(09-29-2019 11:09 PM)RDF Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 10:47 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  In no particular order:

1) Credit card debt.
2) Parents.
3) Whoring themselves on SA or similar.
4) Spending all their money on instagram worthy activities exclusively.

This is pretty much a perfect summary. I would say #4 might be actually the most prevalent.

I know plenty of girls who will eat oatmeal for breakfast and top ramen for dinner all week just to go to a high-end restaurant on Saturday night to throw up photos on the gram of them eating $25 appetizers and sipping $15 cocktails. They'll drive a 2001 Corolla, live in a cramped apartment with 3 roommates, but still travel to Greece or Mallorca and stay at a spot with an infinity pool.

Can I ask how old you are? I'm not doubting you, just interested in how things have changed since I got married a decade or so ago. I'm almost 50 and I imagine this kind of thing started for the most part after I was off the market.

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If you're wondering what goes through a woman's head when she does these things, it is very simple:

Most women believe that, somewhere down the line, somebody will save them.

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(09-30-2019 02:42 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:55 PM)Eazy_E Wrote:  I should have been born a girl. I'm even young enough I could have maybe gotten a couple of years of sugar if I took care of myself and got in on the leading edge.

Instead, he's me, working 40 hours a week at a piss job and living with my mother to get the stuff I want. It's not fair man.

Life is not fair. Get over it, learn how to get an edge above everyone else. Exploit every opportunity you get until you're where you want to be and living on Eazy_E street.

Who cares if life isn't fair, it's not like you can change it, only adapt.
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I think we are looking at a narrow slice of young women who, like shark attacks and plane crashes, stand out because they are flashy and therefore seem more common than they actually are.

If they basically want to ho themselves it probably is not so difficult for an American HB8+ to find some Eurotrash dude with money to burn who will front them airfare and a hotel, and maybe spending cash, to bang her.

The other possibility is that if they have a lot of instagram followers, some small percentage are willing to toss a few dollars a month through Patreon or the like to keep the flow of pseudo-porn pics going. If 10% of your 10,000 followers give you $10 a month, that adds up.

Guys should really take note of the latter. If, for instance, you get a sizeable following from being an internet restaurant critic, you can get people to, collectively, pay you to eat great food and travel around. A bit more more work than flashing T&A but success is success.
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How much the forum has changed. I never seen so many men pissing over prostitution. The old phrase would have been "If it wasn't you, it would have been someone else." The issue over prostition would have been a joke.

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This thread reminds me of a prediction I have for the future...increased taxes on retirement accounts to pay for the retirement of people without them. Why? For one, like mentioned in this thread, girls are blowing through money like its going out of style with the only long-term prospects, if any, being guys equally as reckless with money. Also, for the girls I know that have 401Ks for instance, they are simply contribute their company-matching with no idea about managing the actual money unless their dad is overseeing their investments. Most are simply putting their money into things like bonds and never make any adjustments to their account. As this group ages, this will be a weapon in the arsenal of liberals to literally buy votes from the gender that's significantly more fixated on security and protection.

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(09-30-2019 09:15 PM)bucky Wrote:  Can I ask how old you are? I'm not doubting you, just interested in how things have changed since I got married a decade or so ago. I'm almost 50 and I imagine this kind of thing started for the most part after I was off the market.

I'm in my late 20s. I can definitely imagine things have changed a lot since you got married. Instagram didn't even exist 10 years ago. Even over the past 5 years, I've seen a massive increase in this type of behavior.

To follow up on my earlier post, I have no doubts that sugar babying has grown a lot in popularity. I live in Socal, arguably the capital of SA. I see it all the time. With some exceptions, however, it doesn't really apply to mediocre women.

For the MOST part, girls have a good sense of what their actual value is. Deep down, a 6 knows full well she isn't a 9, despite how many dudes she matches on Tinder, and her ego is far more fragile. Picture your typical 6 who is thinking about SA. If she creates a profile, she runs the risk that she'll get zilch compared to her hotter friends (on average, men have more clout on a site like SA than on a typical dating app). This would absolutely shatter her ego. So, she will either avoid it altogether, or claim "eh, I wasn't into that type of thing anyway" when she gets no love.

It takes a combination of a particularly "confident" woman and a rich man with no standards for a 6 to get flown out to Dubai. Yeah, it happens. For the most part though, the mediocre girls you're seeing posting their trips on the gram are doing it by foregoing other spending, racking up credit card debt, or getting their parents to help out.
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Travel is dirt cheap these days and women are professional manipulators that always find ways to extract cash from guys.

For every red pilled guy whose wallet is shut tight there are hundreds of suckers lining up to spend money on her.

The go to guy is usually boomer daddy that gets psychologically gangbanged by the mother and daughter cash extraction team.

If boomer daddy is out of the picture and /or maxed out with alimony payments they string along guys that they can extract from, whether it's outright cash or just a place to stay.

Working a woman's job and staying in hostels while letting a smart guy figure out cheap ways to travel is cutting it as well if she's low in extractive mindset.

Flying to Barcelona is dirt cheap from the US if you don't fly directly but to regional hubs and then using budget airlines.

It costs less than $500 to fly from Washington DC to London for example round trip and then spending sub $100 to get to Barcelona round trip.
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RE: How do early twenties girls with entry level jobs afford to travel internationally?
I travel a lot for my business enough that I rack up frequent flyer miles every few months for a free economy ticket. Travel is not very expensive now especially if you are somewhat budget minded.

Even from North America to Europe there are lots of deals out there. Flights throughout asia is very cheap if you want to use budget airlines. Personally I don't like budget airlines and I occasionally splurge on biz class but even then it's not expensive overall.

One interesting thing I discovered is that I spend less on airfare each year than when I owned a car in the U.S. and paid for gas and insurance commuting to work.

I fly a shit ton too.

If you're a random girl working an entry level job you can still potentially afford to take a 2 week trip to most cities in Europe and probably spend under 3k all in. 3k is honestly chump change.

I'm also sure there are a lot of random lame guys willing to foot the bill when i comes to food, entertainment, and drink so it's mostly accommodation and air fare that some of these women have to pay for. With airbnb and the like that gets even cheaper. Plus there's a shitload of decent quality hostels out there for this age group.

In asia a lot of people are very well traveled especially in the developed countries. It's not all that unusual here for some early 20 something girls to have visited australia, most of asia, etc.. before 25. Not all of them are thots selling their cooch. Some of them just save up. I would say the top 5 globetrotting nationalities in this region are Japanese, Singaporean, Hong Kong, Taiwanese, and Koreans.
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(09-30-2019 10:48 PM)nek Wrote:  This thread reminds me of a prediction I have for the future...increased taxes on retirement accounts to pay for the retirement of people without them.

I also agree. The OECD has already suggested that wealthy UK citizens should have their state pension stripped to subsidise the pensions of the not so well-off.

If you earn a top 1% income in the UK, then you pay 5-6% of your income into the pension scheme, which has zero funds and thus no yield. Over a 40 year career you pay in a quarter-million with an average salary of £100K.

Then you're expected to sit aside as it is all taken away.

And that is focusing on paying for the retirement of boomers.

The young are increasingly sacrificing their future for the present:

*) student debt for devalued and useless degrees
*) living in major cities, spending much of their money on rent and avocados; and as mentioned in this thread many's only inspiration to save is to splurge it all a two-week trip each year
*) women wasting their youth on studies, travel, a 9-5; men wasting their time on chasing thots, computer games etc.

The amount people are saving in private pensions is collapsing, as the state pensions run out (if there is a fund) or become increasingly unlivable if they do.

The left argument against this is not the terrible lifestyle choices and culture they foster should change, but that all those who have been responsible must bail out the irresponsible.

The fallout from the current culture in the future will be huge. A sea of people with few if any strong relationships, no immediate family, no pension, no property, no savings, generally broken and addled - washing up at the feet of the left.

I think that we are seeing and will see a slow growth in socially conservative, buttoned-down and frugal families forming. Their assault by the left to bail-out their dependent voters will be ferocious.
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(10-01-2019 05:50 AM)gework Wrote:  The fallout from the current culture in the future will be huge. A sea of people with few if any strong relationships, no immediate family, no pension, no property, no savings, generally broken and addled - washing up at the feet of the left.

Uh that was the plan all along, goy. Disembowel the middle class and create a low income class with no agency. Take the top tier attractive kids for their own sexual pleasures and leave society destitute and beholden to a conglomeration of powerful oligarches.

The fact that Jews and other assorted globalists have so thoroughly fucked western societies is something else. It really is a masterwork in how to kill off and enslave a people through the long game.
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Average woman’s description of her travel = travel equivalent of loads of make-up/filters

The Tag the Sponsor-style explanations here are getting extreme.

Yes, it increasingly happens, but I think a lot of you have no idea how badly and cheaply many of these girls travel.

They try and glamorize it, especially for Instagram and Facebook, cutting out the shared toilet experiences and showing no photos of 10-person-a-room hostel dorms, but most girls I have spoken to about it over the last ten years admit to me they do it stupendously on the cheap. They then hamster their way by saying they see “the real” cities and countries doing it in those squalid circumstances, as if me having a shower not used by 20 other people is some kind of non-cultural European or South American sacrilege.

Girls’ relaying of their travel experiences is notoriously self-deluding. They eat like rats in a dumpster, as do many men. If they use couchsurfing methods, places they stay can be crappy and sometimes they wait until 2am to even find a place, a situation my Hungarian friend recently confirmed again (there were others before her who outlined comparable tales). Or they sleep rough.

Don’t even get me started on hitchhiking. It’s slow, indirect, and you wait ages in many cases for someone to pick you up, even if drivers are more sympathetic to picking women up.

Many of you are relying on a woman’s description of how “great” and “awesome” their travel was.

Travel is one of the FEW areas where a vapid woman will tone down her victimization and “men are/society is terrible” mentality and try and make her experiences look like Heaven on Earth. In other words, still unreliable but this time positively unreliable as opposed to negatively.

For example, many of my East European girlfriends had their first proper hotel (as opposed to ultra cheap motel) experience with me and had to be told how minibars worked. They were very insecure about their prior travels in camper vans, which led them to say that they traveled in “the authentic” style. Western girls may not be as travel naive as the Eastern girls, yet a similar predilection for confusing cheap with real or authentic prevails.

Unless Daddy is paying, most of the girls described in this thread are packaging their travel to look luxurious or otherwise amazing for social media consumption. The “cost” is not shown in the pictures you see posted.

By my early 20s, not so long ago, I was traveling extensively and only used hotels. I had all sorts of expensive-for-my-age adventures.

Moreover, this was post-GFC when oil prices were higher and general travel costs hadn’t gone down to today’s prices.

I could pay $3,500 (so even more than that now due to inflation) for return flights (Melbourne/Sydney-Asia-Rome-final leg like Bratislava) and this would NOT include any extra flights during the trip between cities once I’d arrived (say, Berlin to Barcelona mid-trip).

I bought tons of souvenirs, clothes, shoes, gifts for family and friends, sent postcards home, and spent obscene amounts on booze.

I was still pissing money up the wall when I wasn’t traveling overseas - constant coffee in cafés, fast food, beer, Australian domestic trips etc.

If I could do this, I’m not surprised at all that vast swathes of men and women do much, much cheaper travels. In Australia, the backpackers usually work shitty jobs as well, including on farms.

OP has overthought this issue and, as others have already said, many of even the cheapest travelers are forgoing a stable future (through overuse of credit cards and other mishaps) to fund their jaunts.

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