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(10-01-2019 11:49 AM)mammal Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 07:39 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Thus, the "game" is zero-sum. Every time one man gets some pussy, it means some other guy isn't getting pussy. And the more men learn game, the more competitive the market becomes which makes the cost to the pussy-market even higher for young-men entering the dating pool. This creates yet even more frustrated betas.

When a man scores an attractive woman, it means he beat out roughly 1-3 men who would have also banged that woman. We know there are more available men than women because a man's sexual shelf-life is longer and the obesity epidemic has shrunk the amount of fuckable women drastically.

Zero-sum is true for the marriage market, but only sometimes true for the dating market. Many women have no moral compunction against dating and having sex with more than one alpha man, keeping the multiple men ignorant ofeach other's existence.
However, the obesitiy epidemic is real as is the conceitedness epidemic.

Fixed. Betas get nothing. Additionally, women who bang lots of alphas are no different than any other addict...

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(09-30-2019 03:41 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Article: Glasgow ‘pick-up artist’ Adnan ‘Addy A-Game’ Ahmed found guilty of hounding young women

Quote:A SCOTS pick-up artist who approached "young and vulnerable" girls could face jail after being convicted.

Adnan Ahmed, 38, approached five girls between May 2016 and November 2018 in Glasgow City Centre and Uddingston.

Anything men do to make it easier to get what we want from women will be made illegal. The entire concept of seduction is being made illegal.

The goal is to make all sex potentially rape based solely on the woman's changing mood - so women can hold that threat over our heads forever.

But there's no war on men, you're just crazy.
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Update/more context to the story:

Apparently, according to Krauser the charges were not serious, and the daygamers who took their site down were just scared:

Quote:Blah blah. You’re just crawling out the woodwork to concern troll. People are quite aware there are low-value retards spamming the streets. Calling the Yad Stop “dangerous” for normal men is next-level faggotry. Didn’t anyone bother to read up on the Addy case? It was a FAILED prosecution. Acquitted of all serious charges. Daygamers are such faggots that they take Fake News stories at face value, wet their pants, and take their websites down. K.

If this is true, it shows more about fake news and rabbity daygamers than anything else. Still, holding Addy in remand is sad.

I tried to find actual news on this but I couldn't, but here is his site of him trying to defend himself, with testimonials etc http://addyagame.com/

Quote:Introduction

Dating and Life Coach Adnan Ahmed aka Addy Agame was subject to a nationwide media scandal in 2019.

There were no complaints against him until the BBC Social video caused a media storm demonising Adnan. He was a victim of ambush journalism.
The BBC Social video was edited in such a way that made Adnan look like a criminal.

Adnan taught “Dating for Men”. This is a niche sub-section of the self-help industry, which makes millions of pounds every year and is all over the internet.
Adnan has been singled out and his image was demonised by the BBC Social video because of personal perspectives. Alec Salmond faces
much bigger charges but didn’t get the press Adnan did.

Quote:On Glasgow’s Argyle Street, Buchanan Street and Sauchiehall Street there are charity workers, sales people, religious reformers, reporters (doing interviews) and street acts that approach people the same way as Adnan. Some of these people only approach females (i.e. male religious reformers called Elders and certain sales men selling female products) as a strategy. What consists of threatening or abusive behaviour? All of Adnan’s approaches happened during the day on busy streets and well populated areas, there was nothing sinister or hidden about it. Is it anti-social when men do the same thing in night-clubs, under the influence of alcohol, it isn’t considered to be. Daytime dating is a much safer way to talk to females.

Quote:Some of the very few women who reported incidents seen Adnan several times. They never thought of themselves as victims of a crime until after the media scandal. Adnan re-approached some of the females because he forgot who they were. If the interaction didn’t end with a number exchange, he didn’t remember the person, this happened with his current partner also. He did not stalk anyone. Adnan would be out with clients and would demonstrate for them and would sometimes end up talking to a person he’d previously spoken to, without realising because he didn’t recognise them. Adnan has talked to many women in the last 3 years all over the world.

Glasgow is a small city, if Adnan did recognise someone (a girl he had chatted to previously) he may acknowledge them with a head nod or at most say “hi” in passing. He did not re-approach because it would feel awkward. Adnan lived at St. Georges cross in Maryhill, worked in the city centre for a time, went to college in the city centre and met friends there most days. He was bound to see the same people over and over.
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Didn't intent to post on this forum anymore as i'm not religious, but wanted to chip in here

In terms of the addy case, I find it very strange. He was approaching 17 and 18 year olds. The age of consent in the UK is 16. SIXTEEN
We don't have age gap laws, either. (so he could have been 150 year old with no legal issues)
Yet the articles mention the ages of the girls quite a lot.
Would they mention it if Addy was 19? Would he even be in trouble?

I'm trying to work out what happened. I'm not particularly a fan of his channel or him from what i've seen (doesn't strike me as having much of a sense of humour for one thing) but from what i've seen of his infields, he's fairly capable. He has social skills and seems personable etc, and follows the daygame model quite closely.
Simply put, I can't imagine him doing anything to warrant the trouble he appears to be in! (for reference I HAVE seen some infields from guys i've met in whatsapp groups who are fairly autistic people and post their private infields in the group, who I 100% CAN imagine doing something to rightfully get themselves in trouble!)

I'm guessing teh other guys are shutting down their channels temporarily to let the dust settle?

I also note there's a program on BBC (bbc scotland?) which aires possibly tonight (?) which is all about the 'evil' PUA industry. Maybe they want to be invisible for a few weeks in any aftermath that may arise?

As a whole, most PUA forums (including this one) have either changed direction completely or simply closed (nextasf, RSD, roosh, PUAforums etc etc)

I've also noticed that the 'field reports' sections on some sites have now gone.

Guys aren't allowed to get laid or talk about it now, lol. It does feel like strange times. Not sure where it ends.

Onto the PUA industry as a whole - it feels like a double whammy. We've got this clear agenda to try to get rid of the whole thing from feminists etc.
But that''s combined with the decline that seemed to happening without that intervention!
I can't be the only one to have noticed that the faith in 'game' seems to have more or less disappeared across the board.
I belonged to loads of PUA sites and it was hard to miss. People seem to have reached a general consensus that we were kind of being fooled all along! (not helped by various PUA being exposed as scammers and infield fakers etc!)
Sure, 'game' exists (in that social skills matter and if you act autistic, you'll probably lose a girl who thought you were handsome) but it's power is very limited. It's not black magic. You can't really use some clever lines, a push-pull here, a neg there, and strong eye contact, and expect to get some girl in bed who simply doesn't think you're attractive!
Even roosh himself said something about how his experiences made him wonder whether 'game was simply a set of tools to be used on girls who don't object to your looks'.

I am gonna miss the community, though. And i'll always be an infield junky! Even if perfect game can only increase your chances with a hot girl by 2%, it's still worth it imo!

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Good. The less daygamers on the street, the better. The spawn of these forums overran otherwise nice cities, such as Prague and Kiev, basically damaging the reputation of gamers, and of men as a whole. Keep in mind that many of these guys have absolutely no standards and will approach anything that breathes. The question of "who" never enters the equation for them. Hence the thread about the guy who fucked over 1000 women in Africa. Daygamers with no standards create an artificial increase in women's perceived SMVs. This increase in SMV delusion among women is bad for men on a macro scale; 5s might think they're 8s because they get approached twice a day.

Do guys need to be aware about game (a la mating skills)? Absolutely. Should guys film their encounters with random women, make an ass of themselves and then use it to market their course? Preferably, no. I understand that business is business, and there's clearly a demand for this kind of content, but I'd say the impact of the daygame market has been negative as a whole. Hopefully the rest of these sites drop like their fellow fruit flies.
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(10-02-2019 04:48 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  I can't be the only one to have noticed that the faith in 'game' seems to have more or less disappeared across the board.
I belonged to loads of PUA sites and it was hard to miss. People seem to have reached a general consensus that we were kind of being fooled all along! (not helped by various PUA being exposed as scammers and infield fakers etc!)
Sure, 'game' exists (in that social skills matter and if you act autistic, you'll probably lose a girl who thought you were handsome) but it's power is very limited. It's not black magic. You can't really use some clever lines, a push-pull here, a neg there, and strong eye contact, and expect to get some girl in bed who simply doesn't think you're attractive!
Even roosh himself said something about how his experiences made him wonder whether 'game was simply a set of tools to be used on girls who don't object to your looks'.

Game works perfectly on girls who are attracted to you and it doesn't work on girls who are not. Game works on Nicole Kidman if you are Jimmy Fallon (and use it instead of him pulling out his Nintendo).

Then there are the borderline theories of "creating attraction", but from a different PoV "created" attraction was already there and only surfaced through game.
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Basically A-Game has been done for "Breach of the Peace" which means if you do anything that could cause someone else to feel "fear or alarm" (highly subjective) then you're liable. But if approaching women and pursuing a romantic engagement with them is now a "breach of the peace" then my father is a criminal and my mother a victim.

Daygame is not a sustainable business model, and if the media got a hold of Torero's Stealth Seduction (for example) they'd make mincemeat out of him. This is why we've seen so many of them hiding under rocks at the moment. It was only a matter of time before the gynocentric media went after an industry they can frame as "predatory" in 2019 when women are perma-victims with zero agency.
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Tavistock both created & efficiently ended the Red Pill. Wellington house never slows down...

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I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.
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(10-02-2019 04:00 PM)hedonist Wrote:  I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

Agreed 100%. I'm surprised there are people apologising for this freak. Look him up.
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(10-02-2019 08:02 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  if the media got a hold of Torero's Stealth Seduction (for example) they'd make mincemeat out of him.

lol! Good point.
Pushing 40 year old Tom going around Eastern Europe banging 17 year old virgins and filming most of it!

(However, there'll always be question marks about whether any of it was 'real' after he got caught hiring an actress for an infield in London)

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(10-02-2019 04:00 PM)hedonist Wrote:  I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

I'll apologize in advance if I say anything to get you riled up... but it is what it is! Your sister is YOUR SISTER... but she's still a Woman for other Men! Not my line... so I'll give the credit where it's due! Got this from the late Patrice O'neal when he said : " I love my Mother... but she's not a Woman to me... She's my Mom! She's been somebody else's B***h before though! While it's hard to admit... it's true!" If that's not the case of not hating the Player... but hating the Game... then I don't know what is!

For any guys who truly went through the Game gauntlet... there's no way to avoid looking retarded and be the obvious "Pickup Guy" at the venue! It's only the crazy times that we live in that did this guy in (Leonard broke down why especially NOW it's all happening a few posts back)
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(10-02-2019 05:47 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 08:02 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  if the media got a hold of Torero's Stealth Seduction (for example) they'd make mincemeat out of him.

lol! Good point.
Pushing 40 year old Tom going around Eastern Europe banging 17 year old virgins and filming most of it!

(However, there'll always be question marks about whether any of it was 'real' after he got caught hiring an actress for an infield in London)

Yeah that's true Torero got caught with the actress... but man oh man... Torero so much of himself to Daygame... that it's hard to despise him! I personally view Pickup like Bodybuilding where they're all cheating to a certain extend... but don't ask don't tell must prevail for the illusion to remain true!
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Idgaf about a guy chatting up a sister or ex if it’s done respectfully ... if it’s mild prank video and they give CONSENT for it to be uploaded fair play. I’m talking about videoing in secret and throwing that stuff up online.

On the other extreme I understand audio/video has saved a guys ass from prison from false accusations .... that’s a slippery slope. But going back to the original point I don’t think posting video footage from unknowing parties is right.

Even worse with the RSD types actually charging people $$ to watch this shit.
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Agree that Game only ever helped a man get over the line with girls who found him attractive. Beyond that it was all just getting men comfortable approaching really. I think we were all sold a bit of a pup on it in the early years, or maybe it's just that women are far wiser to it and it was only real a brief window where any of it was effective, coupled with the great entitlement explosion brought in by Tinder et al.
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(10-02-2019 04:00 PM)hedonist Wrote:  I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

Agree 100%.

Seen ones a few years back where they'd go on dates and film / audio record them. It's a grotesque invasion of privacy and is utterly deceitful. I can let the off if they blur faces, but off top of head, most of the ones i ever saw didnt.
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(10-02-2019 08:15 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Yeah that's true Torero got caught with the actress... but man oh man... Torero so much of himself to Daygame... that it's hard to despise him! I personally view Pickup like Bodybuilding where they're all cheating to a certain extend... but don't ask don't tell must prevail for the illusion to remain true!

Tom was the one i used to watch. Penny dropped what a sad case he must be a while back. He seems like he was a good guy, but there's no way that life he leads doesn't warp you. There's something off about the guy these days, that didnt seem the case when he first appeared. His lifestyle seems morally unhealthy as fuck, and it seems that is reflected in his use of actresses, deceit and crowing about banging 18 year olds and watching hours of porn and the like.

Fact that he went to Oxford and studied Science under Richard Dawkins is a bit of a tell tale sign there. I think at his heart he is an utter nihilist, like his college Mentor...
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(10-02-2019 10:46 PM)hedonist Wrote:  Even worse with the RSD types actually charging people $$ to watch this shit.

One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.
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(10-04-2019 10:03 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.

This seems to have been common in the PUA space overall. Dating a stripper was seen as the ultimate achievement. Most likely because PUAs at the time were nerds and they thought bad girls only dated bad guys.
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(10-04-2019 10:03 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.

I suspect that was mostly marketing for the thirsty autists that made up half their audience. Strippers being famously indifferent and aloof, especially to the sort of frat-boy types that use strip bars and would be RSD fodder.

From the marketing POV they are trying to elicit "wow their game is SO FUCKING STRONG!!! They can even pull strippers!!! All i need to do is attend a few conferences, and bootcamps, and maybe i can too!!! Then all the guys in college will respect me!!!"
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Most of these "daygame instructors" are total clowns who just spam approach. Spam approaching by clueless newbies is a disaster for both the guy and the girls he's approaching. This applies doubly for spamming direct approaches. Walking up to every girl you see in the street and telling her she's sexy is not game, and women are right to consider it borderline harassment. Imagine how awful it would be if ugly, fat women were constantly approaching you in the street and telling you how handsome you are and how much they wanted to bang you? That's how women feel when they get direct approached by weirdo guys with terrible game. These idiot instructors who promote this style of game and send their awkward students out in the streets have no one but themselves to blame for this blowback. In their greed and desire for attention they slit their own throats.

Daygame has always best been employed indirectly and in limited quantities, ideally with your approaches occurring incidentally when you're already out doing stuff. A good daygame approach is so innocuous and smooth that the woman should not even recognize you're flirting with her at first. She should simply feel like she's getting a good vibe from this guy she doesn't know and subconsciously be open to meeting him again. A good daygame approach leaves the girl feeling good even if she declines to give you her contact info, because it boosts her ego to be seen as desirable by a smooth and confident guy. A bad daygame approach just makes her feel like she needs a shower.

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Can't help but laugh... https://krauserpua.com/2019/10/02/escape...ent-138804

Cosmin Nistoran Wrote:Wtf. Tom took down both his online products dirty tricks and stealth seduction after i paid 300 Euros for them. That’s pretty f.. up i think.

I feel bad for the guy but wow that's an expensive lesson to not trust a scumbag
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(10-01-2019 04:20 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I've always hated the term PUA. Pick up artist. Like it's some kind of magic trick or performance. And now, for my next trick, I shall approach this girl over here! It makes a mockery of what is just a normal thing, and turns it into a big deal when it shouldn't be. Wow, look at me, I can actually talk to girls. Aren't I talented? Aren't you amazed at my magical skills? And I hate the way some of them stand around like salesmen, talking to girls in such a fake, overly confident way.

I've never heard of a gay PUA. Why don't they exist? What would people think of them if they did? Rhetorical.

Excellent point. But from sales view it is better to advertise restaurant serving Fish & Chips as "Genuinely authentic cuisine serving Fish & Chips with a modern twist", even if the Fish & Chips plate differs only by a lime than lemon juice drizzle.

At the bottom of it, it's been, speaking in evolutionary timeline, either eye-contact, inarticulate grumbles or some more or less string of mumbo-jumbo that a prehistoric caveman would utter to draw a woman's attention. It was essentially pre-linguistic as for thousands of years, there was no language as we know it...
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RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites
Game did create attraction. Also, most PUAs used to apply approach tactics to create attraction.

There was a time, from early 2000s to around 2012, when game did make a girl, who was initially not interested in you, become attracted to you. Approaching and talking with confidence, implementing a little bit of humour, laying out keen observations and being witty would turn the girl towards you. In fact, there was an even earlier time when just approaching a girl with confidence, in spite of your very average or subpar looks, made you stand out to a girl and made her feel attracted to you. Girl's curious instincts would take over. She would value your confidence way above your looks. At that time many guys, some with great looks, just did not know how to approach or talk. You stood out because you had the balls to make a move. Most social dynamics took place in the real physical world.

During the peak 2000s game era, PUAs who were 6 would get girls who were 8s or even 9s. That's why newbies who picked game up during that era , in spite of spam approaching, actually had success. That is also what led to the huge popularity and sudden proliferation of game and PUAs.

The issue today is that the cultural dynamics have completely shifted. The laws of attractions have changed. You can be a male 8 and a girl 7 might consider you completely unattractive as she is used to attention from 1000s of males online including Chad 9s or males with very high value. Therefore, in the current era, she will just not be interested in talking to you, regardless of how good your game skills are. You can be charming, socially intelligent, a smooth talker, dressed well and extremely fit. You just won't meet her pre programmed standard.

In today's Western world, women judge sexual attraction towards a man based more on his looks. Furthermore, women use sexual attraction as one of 'the' keymarkers now for basic attraction. Their senses are daily bombarded with pictures, comments, Insta/snap stories and media shows from physically very attractive men. It is similar to how constant watching of porn shapes and defines our attraction towards females. The more we watch it, the more we get attracted to certain body types. It is plainly the rewiring of the brain. That is what happens with females too. The dating apps are purely based on photos. They have shaped the brains of females and defined attraction for them. Not to mention, because of such apps and social media, the female access to high SMV men has significantly become easier and exponentially increased.

Hence, you, being a male 8, would be competing for a female 7's attention against a plethora of 9 males who would also be Investment bankers, athletes, musicians, pilots, firefighters etc. These men will also see her on Insta/Tinder/Bumble etc. These men are also horny and even more thirstier because they think their high value should get them pussy at a drop of a hat. They also do not need nor would bother putting efforts in learning game and spam approaching when just a spam 'Hi' on Instagram will net them a 7.

Blame the current era, culture, politics and manipulation of technology. Not the PUA or Game.
10-10-2019 01:56 PM
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RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites
(10-04-2019 10:07 AM)Elmore Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 10:03 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.

I suspect that was mostly marketing for the thirsty autists that made up half their audience. Strippers being famously indifferent and aloof, especially to the sort of frat-boy types that use strip bars and would be RSD fodder.

From the marketing POV they are trying to elicit "wow their game is SO FUCKING STRONG!!! They can even pull strippers!!! All i need to do is attend a few conferences, and bootcamps, and maybe i can too!!! Then all the guys in college will respect me!!!"

There was a lot of the "stripper game" back in the day but I think that was also due to popularity of it back then culturally/movies/music etc

(10-10-2019 01:56 PM)bk19xsa Wrote:  Game did create attraction. Also, most PUAs used to apply approach tactics to create attraction.

There was a time, from early 2000s to around 2012, when game did make a girl, who was initially not interested in you, become attracted to you. Approaching and talking with confidence, implementing a little bit of humour, laying out keen observations and being witty would turn the girl towards you. In fact, there was an even earlier time when just approaching a girl with confidence, in spite of your very average or subpar looks, made you stand out to a girl and made her feel attracted to you. Girl's curious instincts would take over. She would value your confidence way above your looks. At that time many guys, some with great looks, just did not know how to approach or talk. You stood out because you had the balls to make a move. Most social dynamics took place in the real physical world.

During the peak 2000s game era, PUAs who were 6 would get girls who were 8s or even 9s. That's why newbies who picked game up during that era , in spite of spam approaching, actually had success. That is also what led to the huge popularity and sudden proliferation of game and PUAs.

The issue today is that the cultural dynamics have completely shifted. The laws of attractions have changed. You can be a male 8 and a girl 7 might consider you completely unattractive as she is used to attention from 1000s of males online including Chad 9s or males with very high value. Therefore, in the current era, she will just not be interested in talking to you, regardless of how good your game skills are. You can be charming, socially intelligent, a smooth talker, dressed well and extremely fit. You just won't meet her pre programmed standard.

In today's Western world, women judge sexual attraction towards a man based more on his looks. Furthermore, women use sexual attraction as one of 'the' keymarkers now for basic attraction. Their senses are daily bombarded with pictures, comments, Insta/snap stories and media shows from physically very attractive men. It is similar to how constant watching of porn shapes and defines our attraction towards females. The more we watch it, the more we get attracted to certain body types. It is plainly the rewiring of the brain. That is what happens with females too. The dating apps are purely based on photos. They have shaped the brains of females and defined attraction for them. Not to mention, because of such apps and social media, the female access to high SMV men has significantly become easier and exponentially increased.

Hence, you, being a male 8, would be competing for a female 7's attention against a plethora of 9 males who would also be Investment bankers, athletes, musicians, pilots, firefighters etc. These men will also see her on Insta/Tinder/Bumble etc. These men are also horny and even more thirstier because they think their high value should get them pussy at a drop of a hat. They also do not need nor would bother putting efforts in learning game and spam approaching when just a spam 'Hi' on Instagram will net them a 7.

Blame the current era, culture, politics and manipulation of technology. Not the PUA or Game.


Even though there was a lot of BS in the book the Game , I think that people believed some of the content so much it gave them the confidence to try.
There was some great content too and an emphasis to work on delivery/push pull and dressing up etc. People weren't glued to their phones and it was long before Tinder etc.

There was a big difference to the "just approach" RSD slop ...try that with a nerdy programmer that has been sitting behind a desk all day. But that is what you get en masse


Scorpion nailed what meeting women in the day should be all about
10-10-2019 02:59 PM
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