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(10-13-2019 12:52 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 12:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  Swallow the God Pill. Become a faithful high-value Christian man, who puts Jesus first before any woman. Get approached by an entirely different breed than what you can pick up with fornicator's game.

We have incels denouncing game as completely useless while "game instructors" advertise it gets you any girl. Both are wrong. Game yields you a certain specific subset of degenerates with an usually high notch count. Not quite the right kind if you're looking for a traditional family.

So when all men in America swallow the God Pill, will there be enough in-shape and tattoo-free women for them to attract 1:1?

There will be. Never underestimate the almighty Lord and what He is able to. Nevertheless as a man of God you put Him first in your life and not a woman, tattoo-free or not.
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(10-13-2019 12:52 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 12:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  Swallow the God Pill. Become a faithful high-value Christian man, who puts Jesus first before any woman. Get approached by an entirely different breed than what you can pick up with fornicator's game.

We have incels denouncing game as completely useless while "game instructors" advertise it gets you any girl. Both are wrong. Game yields you a certain specific subset of degenerates with an usually high notch count. Not quite the right kind if you're looking for a traditional family.

So when all men in America swallow the God Pill, will there be enough in-shape and tattoo-free women for them to attract 1:1?

"I'm not going to take one of (x) because if everyone takes one of (x) there will not be enough (x) to go around and that wouldn't be fair."

That's very European of you (to your credit) but it's also very European of you (to your discredit).

A decent and honorable man wedding a decent and honourable woman is something to be sought after and celebrated no matter what. It's like a tiny life raft inflating in this sea of madness. You don't have to forgo that just because there aren't enough such women to go around. Go get yours and THEN worry about everyone else.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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(10-13-2019 05:27 AM)Harem Scarem Wrote:  They will persecute any person who tries to take control of any aspect of his life. They are offended by the idea that you can (within limits) influence your interactions with the opposite sex so that it's no longer simply a roll of the dice. The idea that you can gain some degree of knowledge as to what makes women tick. Can't have that.

Of course you can't. There is a deliberately manufactured narrative how women are and as with any crazy theory like communism it completely opposes reality. So obviously like in any communist shithole anyone doing anything which disproves the crazy narrative is going to get hunted down.
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Yeap. Channels have already been taken down permanently.
1. Squattingcasanova.
- He was running the biggest immersion (1month of training) as far as I know and was banking a lot of money.
2. Austin from Honest Signalz..
3. Tom Torrero
- some say he disabled his things, but I think just gone.

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Man I feel for Squatting! He put in a lot of time in his Hustle, and his niche of Asian seduction was so well refined, that it was frankly impressive
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Did it ever exist an Internet PUA who actually was good looking?
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(09-30-2019 05:50 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Not the first time. Two San Diego “PUAs” are in prison now for raping a local woman and bragging about it on their forums.

Was going to ask you for more information, but I'm guessing it's this you're referring to?

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new...story.html

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^Yes. What Harem Scarem wrote about the general trend of attacking male sexuality - which I agree exists - is not really relevant when it comes to people who are genuinely ruthless manipulators. It would be a mistake to blow off all criticism of all PUA types as just feminist propaganda; there is a wide spectrum in that world when it comes to the individual men and their behavior.

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(10-12-2019 12:06 PM)monsquid Wrote:  I've been following the community since my teenage years starting with alt.seduction. The days of NLP, Ross Jeffries, Bandler, Mystery, and a whole host of other people. I never paid for a bootcamp or anything but I was paying attention because as a short average looks male nerd I knew this was something I had to put more conscious effort into.

Same goes for me. I've been closely following the "seduction community" ever since 2000 when I first saw Ross Jeffries doing cold approach on an episode of Louis Theroux. That episode was one of those cataclysmic life-changing things in that it opened up a whole new world for me and helped this shy, introverted kid do reasonably okay with women. This is why I take it as a personal affront when I see feminists and the wider society at large totally misrepresent this community which is literally saving lives and helping men be better versions of themselves.

I wasn't necessarily a basement-dwelling troll but I was totally blue-pill and had zero experience with women up until the age of about 20.

The most important thing this community taught me was not "negging" or "manipulation" or any of that bullshit, it was instead an education about true female nature, and the ability to behave confidently in the presence of what to me was an alien species. My earlier attempts at talking to girls or trying in some way to behave like a normal human being was fraught with so much anguish and confusion, and dealing with girls (not shy, passive unicorns as the culture will tell us) who were dismissive or outright abusive or mocking can be a humiliating experience that stays with you for the long haul and needs to be overcome only through proper mentorship.

I simply do not recognise the shy and awkward young adult I used to be, and when I see the war against this community waged against people with a total misunderstanding of its teachings, I'm angry at the millions of men who are going to remain frozen in this scarcity-mindset, blue-pill state.

The community did lose its way slightly, with an over-emphasis on total promiscuity and posting hidden camera footage of girls in compromising positions, or Julien from RSD behaving like a cocked-up asshole for clicks, or that sneak Tom Torero faking infields, but I still support this community. I just wish it had been better regulated.
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That was a trippy video though.




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Louis Theroux is an autistic weirdo

I'm not sure how much he's faking it Borat / Mr. Bean style as he's a globalist, but he always acts somewhere between autistic and mildly retarded.

That clip creeps me the hell out as well. Two globalists creeping on a schicksa with hypno magic. tard
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No he isn't. He's a smart guy who knew playing the naive outsider would get people in fringe movements to open up.

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(12-02-2019 01:43 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  That was a trippy video though.




Makes me cringe imagining a clueless beginner trying this out. Anyone else would have been turned away the second he started talking woo woo nonsense about hypnosis and would have had the cops called on him after touching her arm.

This pickup nonsense is for men who have confidence. Anyone else goes straight to jail.
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First of the month should now be renamed to Game Denialism Meetup.
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"PUA Denialism" and denying the weak-ass anti-game that characterizes the PUA mindset isn't "Game denialism". There's very few of the gurus that I think knew what they were talking about and among those none of them were Mystery taught or inspired.
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(12-02-2019 01:43 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  That was a trippy video though.




I, for one, completely see how she's head over heels for him.

Just look at his keenness and clear divination in recognizing her unmistakable midwestern accent and absurd fashion choices--from the hair style to the clothes. I can't believe he figured out she was from the midwest. I would've thought she was from Prague or Paris, perhaps even Milan, but no... After Milan, I was surprised he didn't guess her address to be in Madison, which I suspected from the get-go, but Detroit works.

He's a genius. Ya'll are hating.

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I've been married for many years and dating my now wife for some time before that but I'm somewhat surprised to see some of this vitriol towards the early PUA scene.
No doubt it was full of weirdos and snake oil salesmen, but it also laid the necessary foundation for what came after.
As for daygame, it was my preferred method, and I stand by the fact that it worked pre-tinder. Probably 95% of my success in dating was from daygame, and its also how I eventually met my wife. It suited my personality better, I was more comfortable approaching a girl in the middle of whatever activity I was doing anyways and striking up a conversation and building a connection than going out to some bar or club and competing as one monkey in a pack for the attention of women who were also there to preen and mate.
All of the more enduring observations of game regarding the nature of women and how to interact with them better apply to daygame, particularly when the goal is finding candidates for an LTR, than to night game where the approach and focus was necessarily sexual.
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(12-02-2019 07:05 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 01:43 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  That was a trippy video though.




I, for one, completely see how she's head over heels for him.

Just look at his keenness and clear divination in recognizing her unmistakable midwestern accent and absurd fashion choices--from the hair style to the clothes. I can't believe he figured out she was from the midwest. I would've thought she was from Prague or Paris, perhaps even Milan, but no... After Milan, I was surprised he didn't guess her address to be in Madison, which I suspected from the get-go, but Detroit works.

He's a genius. Ya'll are hating.

A blind man could tell she was from the midwest from that accent. Then once she said she "worked for an airline" it was obvious he'd have to try hard to fail. That said, his verbal technique isn't obvious unless you know what you're listening to - mild hypnosis.

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(10-14-2019 05:36 PM)Oscar Henri Wrote:  Did it ever exist an Internet PUA who actually was good looking?

Paul Janka. He didn't come from a frustrated blue pill background either. He independently developed a system for game, mostly out of laziness and wanting to streamline his one night stands, and later sold it.

No surprise, he is a tall, dark, and handsome stereotype kind of guy. Harvard grad also but has an artsy Bohemian side to him. He wrote a short ebook called "How to get laid in NYC" mainly targeting finance bro types and it went viral, more or less. After that he figured he could make money off of game and went into the business for a while doing bootcamps, training seminars, and products before disappearing. He got married to some young chick or something. Now he is in some game documentary or something.
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(12-02-2019 07:25 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 12:06 PM)monsquid Wrote:  I've been following the community since my teenage years starting with alt.seduction. The days of NLP, Ross Jeffries, Bandler, Mystery, and a whole host of other people. I never paid for a bootcamp or anything but I was paying attention because as a short average looks male nerd I knew this was something I had to put more conscious effort into.

Same goes for me. I've been closely following the "seduction community" ever since 2000 when I first saw Ross Jeffries doing cold approach on an episode of Louis Theroux. That episode was one of those cataclysmic life-changing things in that it opened up a whole new world for me and helped this shy, introverted kid do reasonably okay with women. This is why I take it as a personal affront when I see feminists and the wider society at large totally misrepresent this community which is literally saving lives and helping men be better versions of themselves.

I wasn't necessarily a basement-dwelling troll but I was totally blue-pill and had zero experience with women up until the age of about 20.

The most important thing this community taught me was not "negging" or "manipulation" or any of that bullshit, it was instead an education about true female nature, and the ability to behave confidently in the presence of what to me was an alien species. My earlier attempts at talking to girls or trying in some way to behave like a normal human being was fraught with so much anguish and confusion, and dealing with girls (not shy, passive unicorns as the culture will tell us) who were dismissive or outright abusive or mocking can be a humiliating experience that stays with you for the long haul and needs to be overcome only through proper mentorship.

I simply do not recognise the shy and awkward young adult I used to be, and when I see the war against this community waged against people with a total misunderstanding of its teachings, I'm angry at the millions of men who are going to remain frozen in this scarcity-mindset, blue-pill state.

The community did lose its way slightly, with an over-emphasis on total promiscuity and posting hidden camera footage of girls in compromising positions, or Julien from RSD behaving like a cocked-up asshole for clicks, or that sneak Tom Torero faking infields, but I still support this community. I just wish it had been better regulated.

Well put. Looking back, the early alt.seduction community guys almost seem innocent and naive. Yeah there was a bit of ass hattery but it was honestly a community of men trying to help each other. There was a real desire to teach and improve men's lives. In that sense it was a true pioneering group trying to do meaningful self help. Then the slow monetization of Game began. I would put a lot of blame on Neil Strauss. Neil used the community partly as a gimmick to sell his book. But it brought big attention from mainstream audiences. Along with that attention came opportunity for profit. Thus the mushroom growth of the business side of game. RSD grew big during this time.

But of course game was influenced as much by changes in the world at large. Rise of social media, IG, YouTube, FB, and Snap meant that attention spans were shorter and thresholds for hedonism were higher in the clown world. Online dating nullified night game for PUA wannabes and regular Joes alike. Shock culture became big. As did click bait style advertising. RSD evolved alongside with it. In response PC culture also ratcheted up. It became fashionable to virtue signal and be a victim.

In all of this fog game has changed in terms of social acceptance and norms. But social and sexual dynamics remain the same at heart. The problem is the contradictions of an at once "liberal" culture that encourages "you go grrlll, yasss queen slay" attitudes whilst telling women to be strong and powerful and be wary of any glance from men as an attack. I can't imagine how confusing this must be to hormone driven young men and women. That's why you see the same girls that protest the patriarchy during the day dress up like sluts and go to frat parties at night.
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I think PUA is a slippery slope because a lot of it isn't entirely true, or more emphasised for effect. There's the risk of selling false promises to naive young men; which deep down the content creators know of. In the past there wasn't so much concern as the communities were small and there was some selection bias in the intelligence of the guys seeking it out - owing to who was on the internet 10 years ago.

Now, the likes of YouTube etc have become mainstream entertainment; with more young people consuming media online than they do through mainstream television. It's a very risky position of say RSD to be publishing videos similar to those made in 2013, now that the channel is bringing in over half a million views. The chance of bad press increases, not to mention the risk that some virgin subscriber commits an atrocity and your name/brand becomes tied with the actual deaths of other people. It's a smart move to change your focus to more common goal self improvement; where ultimately a lot of the movement was heading anyway.

I also think a lot of lessons from PUA have been absorbed into mainstream consciousness. The upper average guy today lifts weights at the gym, buys nice clothes, styles their hair etc and is keenly aware of maintaining their status through online platforms. It's a far cry from the days of 'peacocking' etc; where arguably the competition was much less.

I do wonder if the deeper philosophies being adopted by many 'ex PUA's' such as Roosh will spread to the mainstream. In the way that the initial PUA movement seemed to be early adopters of mass individual hedonism, travel and casual sex. Then too that the adoption of conservative values will follow suit.
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Do you guys believe that dating success is going to return to underground status? I've found some value looking through "ancient" material and extracting nuggets from it.
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(12-03-2019 03:14 PM)Vice_ Wrote:  Do you guys believe that dating success is going to return to underground status? I've found some value looking through "ancient" material and extracting nuggets from it.

Do you mean that older game material will become underground and more obscure? Perhaps.

The reason why you see some "nuggets" in there is because a lot of the advice is common sense effective communication advice. Human beings have been extremely prone to distraction, once somebody boils down the essence of attraction or a few tricks to help you get over a thought process, then it seems profound. But is it really? You could have intuitively developed a lot of these things by trial and error. Some do. Others will benefit from reading books and watching videos but still require testing them out. Thus, at the end of the day it doesn't change much in people's lives because in execution it's always going to be affected by things outside your control. Which is why Game never delivers what it promises, but oh, it promises so much. That's why it's such a good sales pitch to desperate and frustrated guys.
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