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RE: The sun sets on the Age of the Manosphere
(09-30-2019 10:45 PM)questor70 Wrote:  I know this isn't a popular opinion but I think the one group that will gain ground in all this is MGTOW. PUA was about trying to even the scales of the sexual marketplace. But now, with women making themselves more and more unappealing and demonizing men, the less men are going to be motivated to even bother (or risk) trying to win their affections. Consequently, the battle of the sexes is entering into a death-spiral. If you don't get laid, you're dangerous, but if you dare approach a woman on the street, you're a harasser. If you DO get laid, you risk your life ruined as sexual regret is warped into #MeToo accusations. This is a hysteria that reminds me of the McCarthy trials and I'm concerned for how far things will slide on this slippery-slope because outside of Dave Chappelle I'm not seeing a lot of hope. (edit: I posted this before the reply above talking about the imminent closure of the Reddit redpill section. Slippery slope indeed.)

Way I see it..

The future is Incel..

Increasingly there will be no-one left vocal enough to help the new generations.

Ever-Increasingly Incel.
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(10-01-2019 05:33 AM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm slightly younger than Roosh and I reached Peak Masculinity with horny girls (including a Christian one) throwing themselves at me, once I started going full celibate. I didn't start running around trying to get them laid, instead I stick to my traditionalist approach. The Christian I tried to befriend (because she appeared being slightly too young), but that only caused her to up the seduction. She is unable to view me as anything but a sexual being (she needs better game though Wink).

Of course in my youth I "conquered" girls the classic way using the very early PUA stuff, involving outrageous effort while eating up the usual flake rate, which quickly got me onto the Black Pill.

However what I see now looks so damn right, natural and effortless. This is how it should always be. Something is off when only almost 40 years old guys with silvering hair are able to reach that state. And I'm not swimming in money nor did I accumulate dozens of notches. There is something wrong with the SMV of 20something men at their biological peak. They shouldn't have to chase tail like madmen.

I don't think you understand the difference between men and women all that well.

You have to a bit oblivious to be surprised that a guy in his late 30s does better with women than a man in his early 20s.

Your entire post can be summarized by Rollo's SMV chart.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/f...g-the-smp/

This has nothing to do with (((porn))) or (((masturbation))) and everything to do with men who age well become more attractive to women.

Porn/masturbation aren't the cause of young men's problem.

Rather they're a consequence of young men simply not being attractive enough to their female peers.

A huge problem (which the manosphere never addressed) was that women are a zero sum resource.

You create a company, you have a job and you can create 10 jobs and suddenly pay 10 other citizens. That's a non-zero sum proposition.

You get a woman. It's not going to magically bring about more women. Rather you now have one less woman in the market. That's a zero-sum proposition.

Every older man:
- who isn't married
- who gets divorced (and is now in the market)
- or who cheats on his wife

is another man young men have to compete with.

Every person who learns game and who can now (by the 80-20 rule) spin 4-5 plates instead of having a monogamous relationship

is another man young men have to compete with.

A 22 year old man will never compete with a 36 year old version of himself.

Meanwhile a 36 year old woman will never be able to compete with the 22 year old version of herself.

Nothing to do with porn or masturbation.

Boomers or Gen X didn't have to compete with 2 older generations of men.

This is why I laugh when older generation men say with a straight face that young men shouldn't complain, and it's always been tough.

Delusional.

You can tell someone really understands the situation on the ground when they acknowledge it hasn't been this tough for young men in a very long time.

Every woman past the age of 30 who didn't lock down a man has created an incel down the line.

Yin and yang.

Incels are the natural balance to cat ladies.

I'm not even gonna lie. I am extremely surprised very few people in the manosphere have made this connection.

It's not rocket science. With a 50-50 balance between the genders, single old ladies need to find their balance in men somewhere.

Young women aren't making up for it by having multiple men in their rotation.

This is why that entire mantra of "Game saves lives" always seemed whack to me.

As if game was going to miraculously reduce the number of incels when the problem has always been a fixed supply of women and an ever increasing number of single men.

It's almost as if nobody actually played this out in their mind on how it actually would work and somehow save Western civilization in the process.

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I'm lucky online dating apps weren't a thing when I was in college. Or Seeking Arrangement for that matter.

But I really can't imagine what life must be like nowadays for men in their early 20s.

Unless you can pull in high school/college from social circle game or you live in NYC, you're pretty much fucked.

For comparison, I was in South Europe a few months back.

I was doing the hostel thing with my close friend, who is a solid 7 years younger than me.

There was this cute girl we met. I was able to completely dominate the conversation when it was the three of us, I made her laugh, my career came up in the conversation and it impressed her, etc.

I wasn't even trying, but by sheer virtue of my age, I was the "alpha" in the larger group of women and men I was part of.

Guess who she hit up afterwards to meet up when we're in the same city. Not my friend or any of the other guys. Me.

That 7 year gap meant I had more experience in life, more things to talk about, a more impressive career, a better wardrobe, better clothing. Everything was better.

I'm on the right side of 30. I have plenty of female friends my age. They're pretty much invisible now.

I'm competing with guys like my friend. These men in their early 20s. I'm one more dude they have to compete with.

And I'm realistically going to push (at least) one more young man into inceldom.

Some of my much younger guy friends talk to me about women problem. A few have brought up prostitution.

I was like "wtf".

Then I saw this article and it started making sense to me:

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/01/10/ine...86435.html

Why Spain’s brothels are filling up with 20-year-old johns. Police worry about the drastic decrease in the average age of clients, who come from all walks of life

This is where we're at. This is the pressure 20-year olds men are feeling.

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Game was never going to save lives. At least not on the scale that mattered.

Tons of women are going to die alone.

And tons of men are going to die alone.

I don't know what comes next.

But the manosphere was a natural stepping stone.

Similar to the historial eras in which Ovid's Ars Amatoria or Vatsyayana's Kama Sutra came about.

Both were game manuals, and neither one saved their respective civilizations.

I'm still researching, but my current guess is that the God pill truly is the next step.

People will most likely become more religious, now that even Millenials are getting weary of the materialistic life.

Some women will push for locking men down earlier as they see their older sisters be single at the age of 32 and desperate as fuck.

Whatever comes next, it's a new age. Let's hope it's a better age.

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RE: The sun sets on the Age of the Manosphere
Unfortunate last post for Mage, confirming what was expected. A retreat from Christianity due to being raised a sissy, getting burned by a vagina and subsequently laying it all at Jesus' doorstep. Sad.

Meanwhile I wouldn't fret for the "new generation". They are already demonstrably more red-pilled than most of us here were at a similar age. They certainly don't need to follow in our footsteps and waste a decade or more worshiping vagina. Everything other than vagina worship can still be found here so roll on.

(10-01-2019 08:58 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  ...
Every woman past the age of 30 who didn't lock down a man has created an incel down the line.

Yin and yang.

Incels are the natural balance to cat ladies.

I'm not even gonna lie. I am extremely surprised very few people in the manosphere have made this connection.

It's not rocket science. With a 50-50 balance between the genders, single old ladies need to find their balance in men somewhere.

Young women aren't making up for it by having multiple men in their rotation.

This is why that entire mantra of "Game saves lives" always seemed whack to me.
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The old saying goes "you don't have to run faster than the lion, you just have to run faster than the guy next to you". That's all game ever was. Learning to run faster than the guy next to you and leaving him for the lion. Only the culture has degraded so badly now that there are a lot more lions and therefore a lot more competition not to be the slowest guy, and we're all starting to come around to the idea that maybe this capitalist individualism garbage is a worse option in the long run than picking up two spears and handing one to the guy we're supposedly meant to focus on outrunning.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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(10-01-2019 08:00 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  
MajorStyles Wrote:How many people were red-pilled because of the Manosphere? We don’t know the exact number, but it was A LOT. These men have either had their previous suspicions confirmed, their minds opened, their lives changed, etc. There is no going back for them (myself included).

(10-01-2019 05:48 AM)ArcticTraveler Wrote:  Regardless, the box has already been open and a lot of people are now pretty aware of how things work including in the sexual dynamic. Looking at things the red pill way isn't that complicated but does take a little effort at first.

Do you think it's true that most men who would have accepted the red pill have already been exposed to it and accepted it? I find that most of my friends and colleagues are still very much in the dark. They are in the high-education, high-income demographic. I wonder if all this talk about the general population getting red-pilled, going on a marriage strike, etc, is more applicable to the (shrinking) middle and lower classes.

Then again, I'm in my 30s. Many men of my age got married in their 20s and aren't in a place in life to take the red pill. Plus, "it's hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on it." And most of my longtime friends have six-figure salaries from professional careers and would prefer not to rock the boat or unplug from the matrix.

They're not going to unplug unless they get divorced.

And depending on their socioeconomic status, divorce may be unlikely.

The upper middle class (UMC) is pretty much the only segment of society keeping marriage going strong.

Their demise will come much later. Quite a large section of the UMC only produce one child per couple.

I have an alarming large number of UMC friends hitting their 30s and still don't have kids.

The UMC might die out not due to family courts, but purely by being out-bred.

One of my friends just 2 days ago discovered Idiocracy - a movie that actually should be mandatory watching for anyone with an IQ above 115.

There's also the issue for future generations of whether there will be enough UMC men for the UMC women to marry.

With the heavy focus on promoting women over men, and some high paying fields like medicine already breaching 50%+ women...we might just see a lack of men for the UMC women to marry.

That might still take a decade or two. Maybe more. Maybe never.

The Atlantic raised the alarm in 2008 and 2011 with Lori Gottlieb and Kate Bolick, two white UMC women who overshot their opportunity to marry.

But it's been a decade and I don't see the dam breaking yet.

So again, might still take a decade or two. Maybe more. Maybe never.

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To add to Genghis Khan's point about SMV and SMP:

I believe the idealistic model of the monogamous nuclear family living the American Dream in the suburbs, that we saw in the mid 20th century, was a historical anomaly. There was monogamy before the 1950s, but it was in a much rougher world, and thus large age gaps in marriage were much more common. And don't forget that long before washing machines caused bored housewives to turn to feminism, ugly women were campaigning for prohibition.

This image, popular among tradcons, shows that average age of marriage rose from 23 to 29 for men and 20 to 26.5 for women since the 1950s. The average age gap remained at around 2.5 years:
[Image: Estimated%2BMedian%2BAge%2Bat%2BFirst%2BMarriage.png]

However, zoom out to the 100+ year view and you get a different picture:
[Image: median-age-of-first-marriage5.jpg]

Here, we see that men used to marry at 26 and women at 22, back in 1890. The age gap used to be 4 years instead of 2.5 years. I wouldn't be surprised if the age of men at first age had always fluctuated based on the availability of economic opportunities for young men.

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Quote:Unfortunate last post for Mage

Sorry to see him go as I personally enjoyed hearing his interesting contrary opinions, but he was clearly not happy with the new forum direction and went personal. Best wishes.

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(10-01-2019 09:12 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Their demise will come much later. Quite a large section of the UMC only produce one child per couple.

I have an alarming large number of UMC friends hitting their 30s and still don't have kids.

The UMC might die out not due to family courts, but purely by being out-bred.

One of my friends just 2 days ago discovered Idiocracy - a movie that actually should be mandatory watching for anyone with an IQ above 115.

Yes it's as if despite all their smarts and "education", they seem to fail to realize that the point of marriage is to have children. DINKism is prevalent, and those are typically the power couples where the wife is around the same age or even older. One of them even said that he didn't want to pressure his wife (3 years older than him) to have kids too soon, because it was not just his decision but hers as well. SMH...

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(10-01-2019 08:58 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 05:33 AM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm slightly younger than Roosh and I reached Peak Masculinity with horny girls (including a Christian one) throwing themselves at me, once I started going full celibate. I didn't start running around trying to get them laid, instead I stick to my traditionalist approach. The Christian I tried to befriend (because she appeared being slightly too young), but that only caused her to up the seduction. She is unable to view me as anything but a sexual being (she needs better game though Wink).

Of course in my youth I "conquered" girls the classic way using the very early PUA stuff, involving outrageous effort while eating up the usual flake rate, which quickly got me onto the Black Pill.

However what I see now looks so damn right, natural and effortless. This is how it should always be. Something is off when only almost 40 years old guys with silvering hair are able to reach that state. And I'm not swimming in money nor did I accumulate dozens of notches. There is something wrong with the SMV of 20something men at their biological peak. They shouldn't have to chase tail like madmen.

I don't think you understand the difference between men and women all that well.

You have to a bit oblivious to be surprised that a guy in his late 30s does better with women than a man in his early 20s.

Your entire post can be summarized by Rollo's SMV chart.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/f...g-the-smp/

This has nothing to do with (((porn))) or (((masturbation))) and everything to do with men who age well become more attractive to women.

Porn/masturbation aren't the cause of young men's problem.

Rather they're a consequence of young men simply not being attractive enough to their female peers.

It's not news for me, that well-aged men are considered more attractive by young girls, and this because of how Western society with its endless education pipeline followed by endless bachelorhood is structured.

A healthy society should have men at their biological peak be the most attractive men. Everything else sorts itself out then.

Quote:As if game was going to miraculously reduce the number of incels when the problem has always been a fixed supply of women and an ever increasing number of single men.

How could I forget about (((prostitution))))? (Which is another form of (((porn)))). That plays into this as well. Guess what: Any prostitute (porn actress etc.) is off the marriage market as well. And we have a lot of them.
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RE: The sun sets on the Age of the Manosphere
Most guys I hang out with know about the pills including (MGTOW). Most of the guys in my close to extended social circles tend to be red pillers from wealthy and well educated to poor. Other guys are naturals who are mostly married or divorced some practically living overseas but don't really know or care about redpill literature and have their own systems. I do my best to distance myself from denialists and haven't really run into them them outside of highly urbanized areas in the US.

Mabey it's more applicable to a middle class but the red pill has to do with everybody. It's simply about having a sober view on how thing are and what people are up against. Wealthier types I'm in contact with are very opinionated about women and tell it like it is.

I'd say that as long as guys aren't getting chucked/miserable, doing financially well, and have a good enough life mission then they are fine so they wouldn't have a reason to seek out answers.

The thing about a matrix (or observation) is that it would be impossible to deny it once you made that observation. Thus the idea of a rabbit hole.
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All things are never ending. They are progressions.

I am finding a new morality. I don't believe that the understanding of male female dymanics, game, and what is good for a man psychologically and physically are mutually exclusive.

I am along for the ride, let's see where it goes.

There's going to be one 'theory of everything' that ties this all together. I can feel it.

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Quote:A healthy society should have men at their biological peak be the most attractive men. Everything else sorts itself out then.

I don't know what biological peak means, but if you mean men aged 18-25...I don't think this has ever been true, nor will it ever be true.

Women have many more attraction cues for men than the other way around. Including hierarchical status.

In any healthy society, you'll have men at the top and then their followers (what the manosphere, typically calls betas or deltas).

In other words, even if you took a healthy society where all older men were off the market, most young women would only be attracted to the top 20% of men.

The only healthy societies seem to be the ones where you have marriage at relatively young age. That way, the top 20% of young men get taken off the market rapidly by the top 20% of women and the remaining women have to pick whatever best they can get as well.

This was a great read: https://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/...ubble.html

The author accurately pointed out that marriage washed away the difference between "alphas" and "betas" (pretty much the top 20% and the middle 60% of men).

It made both genders happy.

The older I get, the more retarded I think it is for young people to make their own decisions regarding marriage. At least when it comes to deciding when they'll get married.

That goes for me too. I probably would've been better off forced into a marriage at the age of 24 instead of trying to chase tail for half a decade.

Dalrock has had some great posts about it.

The key point is to minimize the amount of time women can enjoy romance/wooing/etc.

A healthy society is one where women at most spend a year or two interacting with men to find a suitable husband and then lock him down.

My cousins had this type of marriage. They'd pretty much meet a few guys (under family supervision), pick the one they liked and had natural chemistry with. And poof, they were engaged.

The engagement was the trial marriage and was to ensure neither party turned out to be crazy, alcoholics, or anything else that raise a serious red flag.

The men became more attractive as they aged, despite passing by their biological peak, which I'm wondering is a term that shouldn't even apply to men when it comes to the question of marriage.

An unhealthy society (what we have) is one where women can spend decades doing this.

Dalrock has astutely pointed out that dates are incredibly fun for women, but the average man finds dates to be tremendously exhausting, not to mention financially draining.

A few years back one of the girls I knew complained that a guy took her to a club on a first date.

She told me she wants a guy to take her to dinner to get to know her.

There are women who have gone through hundreds of men like that.

There are men who have gone through hundreds of dates like that.

It is brutal.

There's a purple pill dating coach named Evan Marc Katz.

The man has gone on 200 dates.

Talk about commitment, but this is women milking attention from men to the max.

The saddest thing was he ended up marrying a single mom who was older than him and laden with debt.

In a healthy society, he would've gone on 10 dates maximum before the community would have an emergency meeting with all the single girls to tell them to stop wasting the men's time and money.

We're living in an era where women have had all chains undone and are extorting men to the tilt.

A healthy society would put bounds on how much they can get away with.

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RE: The sun sets on the Age of the Manosphere
I think a healthy society would write into their constitution a simple ban on women doing paid work or collecting any form of welfare.

That would be the gold standard for nuking this entire clown world.

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(10-01-2019 08:32 AM)Pinkman Wrote:  They just want the right man to approach them. Someone who fulfills their hypergamous fantasies.

Well sure, but women can't seem to understand that they aren't entitled to the "right" man. If they follow a promiscuous path, the best they'll achieve is a pump and dump from "the right man". Women will all learn the hard way that in order to get anything beyond casual sex they must do more than simply show up.

(10-01-2019 08:00 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  Do you think it's true that most men who would have accepted the red pill have already been exposed to it and accepted it?

Pretty much. I think it has hit critical mass, and that is the very reason why it's being deplatformed. It wouldn't be a target otherwise.

For example, I'm too lazy to link to the thread, but you know the asian youtuber with a lot of subs who worked at google & facebook who had his Japanese wife take off with his kid...and then he lost his job due to bogus conflict of interest concerns over his youtube channel from HR? That guy was as blue-pill as they come. A blue-pill alpha maybe by virtue of his career success alone, but still blue-pill.

When his wife left him he started quoting terminology that made it obvious that he started researching and wound up swallowing a red-pill.

Another vector has been entertainment. More people follow entertainment than they do gender dynamics. As entertainment has become more overtly misandrist it has created the fandom menace channels with well over a million total subs between all related channels. And Ethan Van Sciver (132K+ subs) illustrated Jordan Peterson's book.

So you begin to see red-pill as having all these points of connection. That's what the web does, right?

Are all of these voices parroting exactly the dogma you or I would like to see? No. But are they all still sounding an alarm and challenging the SJW orthodoxy? YES.

Where I'm seeing the least positive signs is in how men continue to reward/enable female bad behavior. I think men are hardwired to confuse beauty with virtue and to reward beauty regardless of context. It's really hard to fight that impulse. It's easier for men to stop buying Gillette products than it is to stop serving up flattering compliments on Instagram or swiping right on any woman 5 or greater.
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RE: The sun sets on the Age of the Manosphere
(10-01-2019 01:09 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Mage

"A year or two shall pass and it will teach men to be nice and give flowers."

False. Real Christianity bears little resemblance to the cucked and false Churchianity of your youth. I am sorry that this happened to you. But the truth about God and about Christ and Sex relations remained the same even as apostates and heretics misrepresented what is in actual fact very Red Pilled.

Reminder that Mage is a Pagan, admires some loon who lives in the woods, and most likely is an avid reader of Friedrich Nietzsche. Take anything he has to say on Catholicism/Christianity with a grain of salt. His knowledge on matters of theology is ignorant at best. He already received a light ban last week for his shenanigans, which is why he inserted a punch to Roosh, insinuating Roosh has low libido.

What Mage doesnt understand is that we learned all there is to know about the red pill. Coincidentally enough, the majority of the red-pills have already been said by church fathers/doctors hundreds of years ago. It is up to us to stop fornicating with random women and start MARRYING a good woman, who will bear our sons and daughters. We then pass our knowledge to our children. They will not need to read a RP site because they will already be educated and have followed all the teachings that we as parents taught them. They wont be losers during their 20s like we were... What good is it if we have a bunch of "Red-pilled" men, but not producing offspring and forming healthy families?

It's not rocket science as to why the direction of this forum changed, and why the manosphere burned out. Even CH wasnt posting much on Game during the last twilight years, and shifted his focus on cultural degeneracy before wordpress took him down.

Ch backup for those interested:

https://heartiste.org/
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(10-01-2019 10:19 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I think a healthy society would write into their constitution a simple ban on women doing paid work or collecting any form of welfare.

That would be the gold standard for nuking this entire clown world.

Someone else needs to fill in the gaps for me. But I believe (and I could be wrong) there used to be a time where all the high-paying jobs were exclusively for men.

Supposedly Ruth Bath Ginsberg was told by her law professors that she was taking a man's position at Harvard Law. They were right of course.

I'm OK (at least in 2019, maybe in a few years I'll change my mind) with women earning money. But they shouldn't be allowed in masculine, high paying, high status jobs.

One of the things I feel extremely fortunate about is that I went into engineering, which has historically been heavily male dominated.

In a way, I was able to live out a modern day form of the Illiad, competing with other men on a purely merit based system.

I don't think it's a coincidence a lot of young men are drawing back into videogames. Seems to be the last place on the world where they can still duke it out man-on-man and not have to deal with accommodating women's feelz and need for cooperation.

Men need their Illiad. Men need their opportunity for glory.

...that said,

I would be highly in favor of seeing Leonard's constitutional amendment. Even if I think women should be able to work and get paid in low status low pay jobs like nursing or kindergarten teacher. Fuck it, let's nuke this clown world.

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(10-01-2019 08:00 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  Do you think it's true that most men who would have accepted the red pill have already been exposed to it and accepted it?

Pretty much. I think it has hit critical mass, and that is the very reason why it's being deplatformed. It wouldn't be a target otherwise.

For example, I'm too lazy to link to the thread, but you know the asian youtuber with a lot of subs who worked at google & facebook who had his Japanese wife take off with his kid...and then he lost his job due to bogus conflict of interest concerns over his youtube channel from HR? That guy was as blue-pill as they come. A blue-pill alpha maybe by virtue of his career success alone, but still blue-pill.

When his wife left him he started quoting terminology that made it obvious that he started researching and wound up swallowing a red-pill.

TechLead is just one man in the tech industry hive. Unless the red pill spreads like wildfire through the UMC managerial class (most of whom are at least somewhat intelligent but incapable of thinking beyond their own bubble), I'm not convinced that anything is going to change. These people keep things running: they will continue to work on media platforms and the rest of the societal infrastructure, and continue sending their kids to top colleges to perpetuate the cycle of ego investment in the system. The Matrix doesn't need much from the average person, as long as the managerial class still buys into it, because it is mainly their knowledge-based work that keeps things running.

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I could vaguely understand women being useful in the workforce 100 years ago prior to automation being so dominant but now it's completely unnecessary.

Women being in the workforce leads to:

* Less jobs for men and more competition in general driving down wages.
* Less rights for workers because women are gutless complainers, not brave organizers.
* Huge taxes to pay for make-work government jobs required to keep employment numbers up.
* Massive drops in incentives to marry.
* Disincentives to have kids due to interruption of careers.
* Hostile and growing bureaucracies aimed at imposing feminine "soft intervention".
* Markets aimed entirely at stupid women with large salaries.

The list could go on for pages. Keeping automation in mind and after removing the plethora of useless make-work jobs around these days there are virtually no benefits in having women in the workforce.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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(10-01-2019 08:58 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  A huge problem (which the manosphere never addressed) was that women are a zero sum resource.

You create a company, you have a job and you can create 10 jobs and suddenly pay 10 other citizens. That's a non-zero sum proposition.

You get a woman. It's not going to magically bring about more women. Rather you now have one less woman in the market. That's a zero-sum proposition.

Well, as all adults know there's indeed nothing magical about it.

"Man meets woman" is not supposed to be a zero-sum game as far as nature is concerned.

Otherwise most of us wouldn't exist.

If you factor in contraception however, plus the sub-replacement fertility rate, the mostly male immigration, the historically low mortality rates for men, etc. then things are starting to look different.

Says the WHO: "The natural “sex ratio at birth” is often considered to be around 105. This means that at birth on average, there are 105 males for every 100 females."

In a safe and peaceful society, those 5 guys add up over time.

Now women have a sixth sense for the gender ratio in their respective society and adjust their self-perceived sexual market value and most importantly their behavior accordingly.

What seems to matter in this regard is by the way not the number of eligible or sexually attractive males, but just the total number of males.
All men want young women, but for a woman every man regardless of age could be a provider of resources.

It's basic supply and demand.

If you could compare a society with a male surplus and a society with a female surplus (vastly more common in the past due to war and other environmental pressures), you would notice some rather striking differences in the way men and women interact with each other.
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(10-01-2019 10:36 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I don't think it's a coincidence a lot of young men are drawing back into videogames. Seems to be the last place on the world where they can still duke it out man-on-man and not have to deal with accommodating women's feelz and need for cooperation.

There are no male safe-spaces anymore, not even games. Games are going super woke these days. When it's a historical setting, it's bastardizing our sense of history, like in Battlefield V Even Cyberpunk 2077, where the original game could be seen as a portent for the SJW takeover, has gone woke with a gender-fluid character creator.

You see what I mean? There is sort of a creeping "then they came for" culture war going on. The left lost the national elections and has chosen to exert power through the creative professions where the left already dominates the workforce. Corporate america signs off on this under the assumption that broadening diversity will broaden markets, not realizing that doing it in such a preachy way actually alienates your core market in the process.
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(10-01-2019 10:55 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  TechLead is just one man in the tech industry hive.

I think things are moving towards a tipping point not just because of dissemination of red-pill concepts but because the cultural landscape keeps getting more and more hostile towards straight men. Eventually these two things converge.

If the changes were more gradual then maybe the frog would boil in the pot but I feel things are moving at lightning speed and it's knocking normies out of their comfort zones.

Not all IT professionals are soyboy cucks who worship at the altar of SJW ideology. In fact a lot has been written about 'bro' culture in silicon valley and how somehow it shuts women out. So sure, they're betas, but not necessarily male feminist simps who are afraid to engage in locker-talk.
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It's pretty hard to say anything without fear of getting banned. This site might have changed but it's still pretty valuable to me.

With that said Although I'm a Christian and Love Jesus I believe that men should at least be taught the basics of game, and unfortunately, things like frame cant be taught without gaming. Women are adapting, they're getting the attention, admiration, confidence boost, and validation online with ease. I understand this site changed but due to its origins and sudden change (maybe not sudden to its core members) Its hard to let go of a site that gave such good knowledge. I think what could have saved this site before the big change was a "game archive" with all the best articles in it.

The Christian values this site teaches are valuable for life and the afterlife BUT for many men nowadays it won't help them survive this new dating world. I've seen high school sweethearts have their relationship die in college because the girl couldn't handle herself. The saddest one was I gamed this girl back in march who I found out later was a slut. Turns out she was only a slut while her boyfriend was off in basic training. She was on tinder, pof, okcupid, hinge etc because she NEEDED attention. I've seen girls kiss their boyfriends and call me later that night asking me to come over. After roosh's forum change, I decided to focus on one girl in hopes to feel the same feeling. SO far it's going great but seems will die soon.

The difference between the older core members and a bunch of new guys is they have that frame and confidence. They know that even if their relationship fail they can go out and find another with ease. They know they have the final word and their spouse knows that she isn't the treasure but yet he is. It takes years for MOST men to develop that level of confidence. In movies, they always picture those types of guys to be 28-50. never the 18-27-year-olds.

This site was more so about being inclusive to MAN, masculinity, and traditions of different cultures that embodied that. A return of Kings if you must. Even if it was Christian based it was still closer to a man's club, the only real spot we had left.
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(10-01-2019 09:55 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  An unhealthy society (what we have) is one where women can spend decades doing this.

Dalrock has astutely pointed out that dates are incredibly fun for women, but the average man finds dates to be tremendously exhausting, not to mention financially draining.

A few years back one of the girls I knew complained that a guy took her to a club on a first date.

She told me she wants a guy to take her to dinner to get to know her.

There are women who have gone through hundreds of men like that.

There are men who have gone through hundreds of dates like that.

It is brutal.

There's a purple pill dating coach named Evan Marc Katz.

The man has gone on 200 dates.

Talk about commitment, but this is women milking attention from men to the max.

The saddest thing was he ended up marrying a single mom who was older than him and laden with debt.

In a healthy society, he would've gone on 10 dates maximum before the community would have an emergency meeting with all the single girls to tell them to stop wasting the men's time and money.

We're living in an era where women have had all chains undone and are extorting men to the tilt.

A healthy society would put bounds on how much they can get away with.

I agree that "dates" are indeed a pure waste of time and money. Having dinner tells you exactly nothing about someone.

We want to put young singles into localized longer-term "adventure" groups, where they work on a common goal, tackle challenges and handle crisis. Not only does this build character and let bonding happen naturally. Guys and girls coming out of such a group already know much more about each other than any number of "dates" and "movies" could have told them.

In fact there doesn't need to be anything forced. I say put a bunch of people for a few weeks into the woods and we have at least one couple coming out of it with a longterm successful marriage.

Instead we have fucking Tinder on phones with a useless "match" algorithm programmed by incels.
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I have been following techlead and he has posted lots of videos that go against Capitalist Corporations. He thinks Corporate Culture is bullshit so that is a win for us.

Most people are getting more and more red-pilled, but it will be of the type the forum can now provide. These people dont want to game for meaningless notches but they want the easiest, most effective path to navigate through life inc careers, life-satisfaction (MGTOW possbly), relationships, family etc.

But we still need people working those jobs so they can buy the products we provide with our independant businesses.
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Anyone know what happened to Richard LaRuina? I always liked his style as it was close to my own. However, he hasn't put up any YT vids in over a year.

I'm curious as to what he's doing these days and where he's living.
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