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(10-02-2019 12:22 AM)RDF Wrote:  This is the biggest change that I've noticed over the past several years in the broader "manosphere". The shift from pragmatic solutions to unrealistic ones.

I do not think there are pragmatic solutions anymore. We tried them all.

I hope I am not right about this. But I am certainly out of ideas.

Deus vult!
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(10-01-2019 04:10 PM)MrBig Wrote:  The manosphere started its decline when it got political between races. It was fun and games for everyone but then these white boys who couldn’t get pussy in the first place started the race wars by advocating “racial purity”, closed borders, etc. The manosphere used to be a space where ALL MEN could share and discuss ways to self improve and then it turned into venting spaces for white nationalist beta suckers who are afraid Arabs and Blacks are invading “their” lands and stealing “their” white women.

There few of us on this forum who would ignore the bullshit because there were still corners that were fun and entertaining but there’s only so much of beta venting you could take.

Well no other race is under attack by every single mainstream outlet, only the whites are. White's coming together to prevent their own extinction isn't bullshit, it's a natural reaction to an offensive move by an alien party and traitorous lost kinsmen. If you are a successful black man and you have your shit together but you summon the ire of the wrong woman, they will castigate you just like a white man.

It's a war on men, and a sub war on white men, using the color predominantly as a distinguishing characteristic for accusatory purposes. So by liberal logic, they are denying any non-white man his own pride if he acts out against the narrative, which more non-whites than whites actually do. If caught, they will try to label him under the same umbrella of sexist / misogynist / racist / ist ist ist etc because the name of this game is blame.

The white women aren't being "stolen" by Arabs and Blacks, they are giving themselves to them freely, out of pure uncontrolled female hypergamy, with an unholy dose of special brainwashing to betray their own kind. It's not just the white women, but all races are interbreeding at this point, it is just more noticeable for whites because they are less than 10% of the world's population.

All white cultures are being goaded to guilt themselves into extinction, which if you consider the first two world wars and the 70+ years of decadence since then on all white nations, is progressing. Unless they ban together, and preserve their history and blood, and how else is a culture and a people supposed to do this if not getting territorial against outsiders? No such thing as xenophobia, just a common reaction to outsiders. All of God's creatures have this built into them. Those white or whit-ish cultures that don't guilt themselves naturally because of less interbreeding (Aryan Indians, Persians, Slavs, Cossacks, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Armenians,Georgians) have at some point been genocided by their eternal enemies or are being targeted for such through the great diabolical machine.

The enemy is desperately working around the clock so that you will only have two options if you are white:
1: Die slowly, disintegrating your memories and intellect and genetic legacy into the mystery meat horde soup and losing touch with all roots through miscegenation after miscegenation.
2: Die abruptly, through one of these fake planned wars and genocides over oil and sand and fiat money or some divisive race war.
Meanwhile, purity is spread like doctrine among the specials for themselves.

If you are Black, or Asian, or Indian, or Islander, you should be just as prideful in your own color, but the point of origin for this pride shouldn't be selfish reasons, it just ascend from an understanding that God designed biodiversity as a functional part of the human diaspora. Understand why we all speak many different tongues, not just from the anthropological angle, but by testament and scripture themselves. We are approaching another Tower of Babel like shift in our reality:

"Genesis 11:1-9
11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."

If you are mixed, like my best friend is, you may have identity issues or you may not, but reaching through your genetics to your past and your people, or in his case, two very different kind of people, is the best way to come to terms with who you are.

Your first point I agree with totally, game is and should always be for any man who wishes to better his options and survival in this world.

You can't cheat nature.
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(10-02-2019 12:22 AM)RDF Wrote:  ...

Let's get real. Despite how logical these solutions may be, they are not going to happen.
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Nobody said they were going to happen. It's just idle chatter. God forbid people express their thoughts without premising them as a 10 step strategy for saving the world. Dodgy

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(10-02-2019 12:22 AM)RDF Wrote:  What I liked most about this corner of the internet when I discovered it half a decade ago was that it was a perfectly logical response to a changing world. The majority of the prominent voices recognized that an individual has very little (if any) power to direct broad social change, and that instead, one should focus on adapting to society and helping other men who are struggling to do the same. The majority of advice posted, particularly in regards to dating, was grounded in existing reality.

It was because that advice was about sailing along the existing trajectory towards death and destruction.

Early pickup artists could only reign freely, because they were supporting and supported by the agenda which started with (((sexual revolution))). Of course, the second people recognized what was going on and started discussing and criticizing it, they got nuked. This is exactly the "sunset" happening now.

Quote:Now, we get plenty of posts like the following. These are just from this thread.

(10-01-2019 05:33 AM)wwtl Wrote:  Get masculinity solved and the T levels back up by eradicating (((porn))), (((video games))) and plastics. Combine it with true celibacy (including (((masturbation))) ) before marriage and we are on our way of restoring the natural order.

(10-01-2019 10:19 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I think a healthy society would write into their constitution a simple ban on women doing paid work or collecting any form of welfare.

That would be the gold standard for nuking this entire clown world.

Let's get real. Despite how logical these solutions may be, they are not going to happen. Porn and video games are not going away. Women are not going to be banned from the workforce. In fact, the complete opposite is happening all around the world. Women are working more and more, and within a decade, VR porn will make the internet porn of 2018 look as outdated as a 70s Playboy magazine looks today.

Yes, that is Satan's plan and guess what: God has a different one. And your decision is who you side with.

Quote:What's going to happen if every active user on this forum decides to largely remove themselves from casual dating and modern society in general? The world will go on, just like it always has. The only people who will face the [positive and/or negative] consequences of that decision is each individual and the people close to him.

An individual making that decision due to a personal change of heart or a turn to faith (like Roosh has done) is of course understandable. If anybody here no longer wants to pursue casual sex or date, that is his individual choice. However, making that choice with the idea that it will help reverse the trends of society is just not logical.

This is the biggest change that I've noticed over the past several years in the broader "manosphere". The shift from pragmatic solutions to unrealistic ones.

The "unrealistic" solution brought by a Higher Power is the only one, which could save us, because the enemy is Satan himself. You cannot beat the devil with worldly means, we need God's help - and yes, most non-believers revert to "If you can't beat him, join him" and in consequence go to hell.

What is true in the big picture, also applies for "realistic solutions" from the manosphere in the personal realm. The first thing I realized over a decade ago was that fornication (encouraged by PUA) cannot lead to a traditional relationship. Fornication leads to broken marriages with a 50 % failure rate, fleeced husbands and children raised by single moms (Black Pill). That's why I not only quickly abandoned the practice while looking for other solutions, but unplugged myself completely from society, because chasing the carrots dangling in front of me turned out as being entirely pointless, if in the end I still don't get what I want.

It's no accident that this forum is filled with threads about traveling every corner of the world to find that unicorn unspoiled wife for settling down, discussing how society is going to corrupt her anyway, et cetera et cetera.

Now dropping out of society has consequences and when I look at where I was two years ago when I changed my mind again, having a traditional family was now the most unrealistic and impossible prospect I could think of back then. Literally science fiction or fairy-tale-tier high fantasy, elves and orcs - a ring to rule them all, you know that stuff. Not only because of the state of society, but also when I was looking at my own resources (including financials and professional prospects) and the state of my social network.

So as freshly converted Christian I figured that when there is simply no "realistic" solution left - one which could be implemented within a realistic time-frame with the tools available to an aging man - I need the Lord's help and essentially asked Him for nothing less than a miracle.

And boy, did He answer, started changing me and set me on a trajectory which is borderline unbelievable. Suddenly it started raining one happy "coincidence" after the next and it still doesn't stop. My journey just started, but if I could travel back to my blackpilled heathen self of 2015 lurking on 4chan and tell him what is going on in my 2019 life just the few past months: "Hey, wwtl, you are going to learn to play golf in 2019." - "Yeah sure, pal Dodgy - and Donald Trump is going to be president."

Now while it's amazing to experience God's endless grace in one's personal life, how is this going to help society you're gonna ask? Any of those little gifts of grace are of course part of the big plan for my people, for my nation and for the entirety of Christendom. This is how it works - you make your contribution fighting evil and degeneracy, your neighbor makes his contribution fighting evil and degeneracy and in the end Good wins against evil.

But first you personally need to make a decision with whom you are walking with: Good or evil. And looking at the forums changed direction, and who is not going to use it in the future, that decision was clearly made.
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Wrong thread. Delete
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I do miss some of the random little tips you came across on the blogs, ROK in particular. I'd read the articles and find ideas that never would have occurred to me to research.

I don't hold my drink in front of my chest anymore, I stand in a different pose plus about a dozen other things that came up in ROK articles. I really liked those surprise attractiveness tips, I don't think that territory is fully explored and archived. Even if it had been, regular 'game reminders' from anywhere would be much appreciated
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I guess every "group" has its sunset as it disperses into various other trajectories and paths.

You can find many manosphere ideas that have been disseminated in one shape or another to parts of mainstream culture just within the last 5 years. I've heard things from your average non-political/culture war type person that could have come straight from a poster here.

I've heard everyone from Tim Pool to a co-worker mention the concept of The Wall. That's how far some of these ideas have permeated into mainstream thought.

1) That said, plenty of people here already went as far as they could with "The Red Pill" and you could see player burnout. At some point, people want more. They've got to change things up or they need to form a plan with a long-term purpose in mind. I think that's happened to quite a few here.

I've never been a huge player type, but I digested as much as I could here and used it to find myself the right girl who I've been married to for almost 4 years going on strong. I can't imagine being where I am now and still looking to get notches and wasting so much time and energy on random hookups, Tinder, etc.

2) What can be said that hasn't already about game and the rest here? We've heard it all, recycled it various ways, and evaluated it every which way. The kind of guys who post here aren't the type that can satisfy their natural yearning to learn, grow, and reach that next level by being stuck in the same spot for years upon end. You have to transition to whatever the next season is for you in your life.

For plenty here, we starting to see that happen. We proceed toward the next stage in life.

"Be a leader and never ever follow" That's what my father, that's what he always told me. So with those words boldly spoken, he sent me down a long and hard road.

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(10-01-2019 02:36 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:30 PM)Salinger Wrote:  Anyone know what happened to Richard LaRuina? I always liked his style as it was close to my own. However, he hasn't put up any YT vids in over a year.

I'm curious as to what he's doing these days and where he's living.

Last time I saw him was when he got ridiculed on British TV for prefering Russian women. Suppose he still lives in Moscow.




When I saw this, I thought Gambler wiped the floor with prissy old Piers Morgan.

Lately he's been publishing a multiple choice video game about picking up women. It is pretty funny and pretty well done. Assume he is making money from it because he made a sequel. He also got a lot of press and attention from gamers on Youtube. Granted, a lot of the play through video reactions involved mockery, but most of the gamers are anti-game anyway. Some ended up with grudging respect.





He is actually giving good advice and having a lot of fun with the scenes where he shows what not to do. This video where a dude played the game and mocked it got 0ver 4 million views. Comments are predictable. However, plenty of good advice in the game.




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I don't think it's dead, it's just moving on to different things and the people left behind think it's gone. E.g. Owen Benjamin (bit of a moron imo, can't watch his stuff), Nick Fuentes, Roosh now, E Michael Jones.

I notice that Roosh's youtube hits haven't really taken a hit since the changes.

People are sick of the degeneracy and contributing to it.
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(10-02-2019 12:25 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 12:22 AM)RDF Wrote:  This is the biggest change that I've noticed over the past several years in the broader "manosphere". The shift from pragmatic solutions to unrealistic ones.

I do not think there are pragmatic solutions anymore. We tried them all.

I hope I am not right about this. But I am certainly out of ideas.

Brothers, mankind has already heard these arguments before. And we already know the rebuttal to it.

Matthew 19:25

Quote:25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

We've already tried every practical solution in the book, and all have failed. The only thing left to try is the one solution that isn't logical, yet somehow has always worked.

You don't think God has pulled his followers through much worse times, ye of little faith? Laugh

Especially for Whites. Whites are hundreds of millions strong today spread across. They used to be only tens of millions strong. When the people return to God, everything will correct itself seemingly magically.

Don't worry about the White, Black, Brown, etc. race. Worry about your own soul. Each race will be saved, one soul at a time.

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(10-02-2019 11:32 AM)armenia4ever Wrote:  I've heard everyone from Tim Pool to a co-worker mention the concept of The Wall. That's how far some of these ideas have permeated into mainstream thought.

Note that this has been a long time gestating. The first time I heard "The Wall™" was from Tom Leykis' "Leykis 101" back in the 90s. Also, before "the red pill" I had stumbled upon Ladder Theory that begins to crack hypergamy, orbiters/friendzone, etc... Most red-pill is just bundling all this stuff up and codifying it into one complete doctrine.
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There is also one interesting thing - Game and the Red Pill is based on real social and psychological experiences of countless men. The explanation is in fact science backed and gets confirmed by the few studies out there. It also meshes well with what we have available of evolutionary psychology.

So long as this knowledge is not lost, then in the future you will have it all come out in psychology/seduction/sexual behavior classes.

I remember there was even an episode in some SF show where they showed a college where seduction/evolutionary psychology classes were being taught. So part of the 'sphere knowledge will manifest itself in later times at academia.

The political aspect or even religion is not really connected to it. (Even if some religions do confirm especially the patriarchal views.)
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Well, academia is also ground-zero for cultural marxism and the way it denies human biological differences, so don't place too much faith in it.
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(10-03-2019 02:15 PM)questor70 Wrote:  Well, academia is also ground-zero for cultural marxism and the way it denies human biological differences, so don't place too much faith in it.

I am speaking in decades or even a century in the future. One day the neo-Bolshevik system will go down in ashes. No empire lasts forever, but the knowledge of the 'sphere may be dug out. Currently they control it all and nothing of the sort will come out, but in 50, 100 or 150 years - who knows....

It takes an academic offshoot in China to open up the old books of Rollo or Roosh and then say: "This makes much more sense than all the dating, behavioral advice given. Let's fund the research and see what comes out of it - feminism was partly a reason for the collapse of the West, so we should research this more."
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(10-01-2019 04:10 PM)MrBig Wrote:  The manosphere started its decline when it got political between races. It was fun and games for everyone but then these white boys who couldn’t get pussy in the first place started the race wars by advocating “racial purity”, closed borders, etc. The manosphere used to be a space where ALL MEN could share and discuss ways to self improve and then it turned into venting spaces for white nationalist beta suckers who are afraid Arabs and Blacks are invading “their” lands and stealing “their” white women.

There few of us on this forum who would ignore the bullshit because there were still corners that were fun and entertaining but there’s only so much of beta venting you could take.

The infiltration of the manosphere by white nationalists and incels is ultimately what doomed its popularity in a broader sense. The manosphere was absolutely huge between 2013 and 2015. One could see this is as the peak of the PUA era as well, when concepts and lifestyle were completely fleshed out, but a ton of young men were still a part of the subculture. The reason for this was that it was marketed at all men rather than just angry white conservatives. The manosphere basically attached itself to the Trump zeitgeist. Once that predictably fell on its face, so did the manosphere itself.

Back in the day red pill theories were pretty mainstream, the average guy of any race was basically on the same page as someone like Roosh -- for every hardcore liberal I met, I met three dudes with a working knowledge of game. It was like a secret society of guys spitting game and making fun of SJWs and feminists. Fast forward to 2019, and that basically doesn't exist anymore. No one wants to associate themselves with the manosphere, because it's associated with a political party (the GOP) who have completely humiliated themselves over the last twenty years and especially the last four.

The manosphere used to seen as a great self improvement tool and in many ways actually was. Now most see it as an extension of the incels and losers on 8chan.
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(10-03-2019 04:23 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 04:10 PM)MrBig Wrote:  The manosphere started its decline when it got political between races. It was fun and games for everyone but then these white boys who couldn’t get pussy in the first place started the race wars by advocating “racial purity”, closed borders, etc. The manosphere used to be a space where ALL MEN could share and discuss ways to self improve and then it turned into venting spaces for white nationalist beta suckers who are afraid Arabs and Blacks are invading “their” lands and stealing “their” white women.

There few of us on this forum who would ignore the bullshit because there were still corners that were fun and entertaining but there’s only so much of beta venting you could take.

The infiltration of the manosphere by white nationalists and incels is ultimately what doomed its popularity in a broader sense. The manosphere was absolutely huge between 2013 and 2015. One could see this is as the peak of the PUA era as well, when concepts and lifestyle were completely fleshed out, but a ton of young men were still a part of the subculture. The reason for this was that it was marketed at all men rather than just angry white conservatives. The manosphere basically attached itself to the Trump zeitgeist. Once that predictably fell on its face, so did the manosphere itself.

Back in the day red pill theories were pretty mainstream, the average guy of any race was basically on the same page as someone like Roosh -- for every hardcore liberal I met, I met three dudes with a working knowledge of game. It was like a secret society of guys spitting game and making fun of SJWs and feminists. Fast forward to 2019, and that basically doesn't exist anymore. No one wants to associate themselves with the manosphere, because it's associated with a political party (the GOP) who have completely humiliated themselves over the last twenty years and especially the last four.

The manosphere used to seen as a great self improvement tool and in many ways actually was. Now most see it as an extension of the incels and losers on 8chan.

You guys are not wrong. I am going up to dallas saturday for Roosh's event and a friend is coming up with me for another car event I'll join him at later. I took the chance to ask if he wanted to goto Roosh's speech with me and I'd grab a ticket for him, but once I said what it was he was put off by it and did not want to associate with "that crowd". I explained it wasn't a white nationalist type thing but he was still uncomfortable going so I just left it at that, but it is the vibe normal people get from this corner of the world now due to the political involveness and the incels infiltrating what should just be about learning about women and bettering yourself as a man.
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(10-03-2019 06:26 PM)Zenta Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 04:23 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 04:10 PM)MrBig Wrote:  The manosphere started its decline when it got political between races. It was fun and games for everyone but then these white boys who couldn’t get pussy in the first place started the race wars by advocating “racial purity”, closed borders, etc. The manosphere used to be a space where ALL MEN could share and discuss ways to self improve and then it turned into venting spaces for white nationalist beta suckers who are afraid Arabs and Blacks are invading “their” lands and stealing “their” white women.

There few of us on this forum who would ignore the bullshit because there were still corners that were fun and entertaining but there’s only so much of beta venting you could take.

The infiltration of the manosphere by white nationalists and incels is ultimately what doomed its popularity in a broader sense. The manosphere was absolutely huge between 2013 and 2015. One could see this is as the peak of the PUA era as well, when concepts and lifestyle were completely fleshed out, but a ton of young men were still a part of the subculture. The reason for this was that it was marketed at all men rather than just angry white conservatives. The manosphere basically attached itself to the Trump zeitgeist. Once that predictably fell on its face, so did the manosphere itself.

Back in the day red pill theories were pretty mainstream, the average guy of any race was basically on the same page as someone like Roosh -- for every hardcore liberal I met, I met three dudes with a working knowledge of game. It was like a secret society of guys spitting game and making fun of SJWs and feminists. Fast forward to 2019, and that basically doesn't exist anymore. No one wants to associate themselves with the manosphere, because it's associated with a political party (the GOP) who have completely humiliated themselves over the last twenty years and especially the last four.

The manosphere used to seen as a great self improvement tool and in many ways actually was. Now most see it as an extension of the incels and losers on 8chan.

You guys are not wrong. I am going up to dallas saturday for Roosh's event and a friend is coming up with me for another car event I'll join him at later. I took the chance to ask if he wanted to goto Roosh's speech with me and I'd grab a ticket for him, but once I said what it was he was put off by it and did not want to associate with "that crowd". I explained it wasn't a white nationalist type thing but he was still uncomfortable going so I just left it at that, but it is the vibe normal people get from this corner of the world now due to the political involveness and the incels infiltrating what should just be about learning about women and bettering yourself as a man.

I think a lot of people don't understand how everything is connected.

There is no real learning about women without understanding the society you're in, which means learning about politics as well.

Too many people want to put things in separate boxes, but you're going to end up with nasty surprises that way.

This is how you end up as the average UMC man who got himself a wife, but then is caught by surprise when his wife decides to stop working after the kids or shocked that 3 decades down the line his daughter can't find a UMC man to marry because there's a dearth of them.

Way too few people think about their fellow men or their progeny for that matter.

Though I guess, for the majority of mankind, it doesn't really matter. Most people are followers to the core.

But leaders need to understand all the major interplays and connections in their society between the political environment, religiosity, gender dynamics, proper roles of people, rituals, entertainment, education, etc.

And that requires swallowing some real bitter pills, even on race that you might not want to know about.

People reminiscing about the hey days of the manosphere remind me of people who thinks the 1980s were a great time for sex, not realizing you can't permanently stay in a transitional period.

The manosphere was always a transitional phase. That's because it only focused on individualistic pursuits like casual sex and self-improvement.

In the JBP thread, Leonard made the absolutely astute observation that self-improvement solely for the sake of self-improvement is a narcissistic behavior. It ultimately will leave you empty if it's not associated with a larger purpose.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter too much what the average person does or does not think of the manosphere.

If the God pill (with focus on family, faith and community) is the next step, it is only because leading men understand the true shortcomings of what we had before.

What we'll likely see:

Men turning to God and as Samseau said, seeing all things be possible.

Other men will notice and follow suit, even though consciously they don't understand why.

Not happening. - redbeard in regards to ETH flippening BTC

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2013 was when the entire globo-homo media began to revv up the anti-White rhetoric and it began to permeate everything. Also the migrant crisis as well as Trump brought the West's impending ethnic demise to the forefront. The 'sphere is not some Huffpo-group where everyone can shit on you and then celebrate getting shat on while you are just expected to be silent about it all. The idea that Roosh is something akin to a "White Nationalist" is insane and part and parcel of the globo-homo-driven misunderstanding of it all. Sure - you could just not say anything and all the non-Whites here could still spout every political opinion they want while Europeans should just take it - because that is essentially what it is and that is how all of the (((media))) is run.

Besides - the path of Roosh is individual and has frankly little to do with politics.
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I don't believe there is any real 'anti-white' rhetoric in the media. Got any examples? The British media is very white and racist, just look at the BBC. Just a bunch of posh racist Whites looking down on anything non-liberal and white.
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"You guys are not wrong. I am going up to dallas saturday for Roosh's event and a friend is coming up with me for another car event I'll join him at later. I took the chance to ask if he wanted to goto Roosh's speech with me and I'd grab a ticket for him, but once I said what it was he was put off by it and did not want to associate with "that crowd"."

Its a good way to sabotage the image of any kind of truth that will benefit. Associate that with "that crowd" or other ways that make it the lowest of the low in status.

Like how Christianity is to be degraded into the lowest of the low status. But then again the church was there before (1 Corinthians 4:13)
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(10-04-2019 12:36 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I think a lot of people don't understand how everything is connected.

I hope this isn't true but for those who don't understand how everything is connected they will understand over the next few years. 2013 hits home with me, that is when I joined Roosh. And my path of self improvement follows much in line with other men and changed as the country beneath us got worse.

Go back to the 1990's, just turn on a TV show from the era, and you get the feel. It feels like heaven on earth v. the degenerate society we live in today. Hell, they ask 20 somethings today what they think of Seinfeld and they think the show is "racist, sexist, and xenophobic". That just tells you how bad things have gotten.

Over the course of that time, as things became worse in the countries we grew up in and opportunities we took for granted vanished we all had no choice but to transform.

I knew things were bad in the USA when I graduated college and hit the real world and saw all these overweight women dressing like slobs and being extreme depressed and rude as my options for the dating world. And that was 20 years ago. Then I found out how these women could just claim their husbands abused them and they would win in court every time, even if they were caught lying. That lead me to getting on the internet and learning about the MGTOW movement. This was still nearly 20 years ago.

Things have gotten much worse since then and fast forward to 2013 when I joined here. Even at that time the problems I talk about today were very minor in 2013. In 2013 I was just focused on quitting the corporate world, traveling to Europe based on the advice here and finding good women. But again, the things I took for granted in 2013 no longer exist.

- Job opportunities crushed, even in a "better economy" by visa workers and hiring quotas. 40 hour work weeks turn into 65 hour work weeks with less pay per COL due to the top brass trying to squeeze every last drop out of their workers and yet fill PC demands.

- Travel opportunities to Europe crushed by the invasion and the extreme violence increasing in Europe.

- Just the ability to support a political candidate that goes on to win the biggest election can now get me fired, hurt or even killed in some cases. If you literally talk about what the President of the USA is doing in mixed company at work you could be fired the same day.

Everything is much worse in 2019 than it was in 2013. And that is why the manosphere changed and will continue to evolve. I too wish things were easy like in 2013 and it was just about finding good women. But those days are gone and we have "progressed" to a point it is about survival and if you manage to survive having a family and trying to solve the hardest problem of all time...

"what the hell will my kids do in 25 years if things are THIS bad in 2019 v. 2013?" This is a question I ponder daily and still have no answer other than expect the worse.

The days of day gaming on your off day from your cozy low stress office job and meeting "hot chicks" are pretty much gone. And they will be completely gone in the next few years. Looking back in time is a waste of time. You have to see what problems lie before you and how to solve them. That is the essence of the manosphere and it always was. Just now the problems are much more severe because the west is collapsing and no one is coming to save us. It is up to us to save ourselves.
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(10-03-2019 04:23 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 04:10 PM)MrBig Wrote:  The manosphere started its decline when it got political between races. It was fun and games for everyone but then these white boys who couldn’t get pussy in the first place started the race wars by advocating “racial purity”, closed borders, etc. The manosphere used to be a space where ALL MEN could share and discuss ways to self improve and then it turned into venting spaces for white nationalist beta suckers who are afraid Arabs and Blacks are invading “their” lands and stealing “their” white women.

There few of us on this forum who would ignore the bullshit because there were still corners that were fun and entertaining but there’s only so much of beta venting you could take.

The infiltration of the manosphere by white nationalists and incels is ultimately what doomed its popularity in a broader sense. The manosphere was absolutely huge between 2013 and 2015. One could see this is as the peak of the PUA era as well, when concepts and lifestyle were completely fleshed out, but a ton of young men were still a part of the subculture. The reason for this was that it was marketed at all men rather than just angry white conservatives. The manosphere basically attached itself to the Trump zeitgeist. Once that predictably fell on its face, so did the manosphere itself.

Back in the day red pill theories were pretty mainstream, the average guy of any race was basically on the same page as someone like Roosh -- for every hardcore liberal I met, I met three dudes with a working knowledge of game. It was like a secret society of guys spitting game and making fun of SJWs and feminists. Fast forward to 2019, and that basically doesn't exist anymore. No one wants to associate themselves with the manosphere, because it's associated with a political party (the GOP) who have completely humiliated themselves over the last twenty years and especially the last four.

The manosphere used to seen as a great self improvement tool and in many ways actually was. Now most see it as an extension of the incels and losers on 8chan.

Your missing the fact that it was a reaction (and also the correct reaction) to the infiltration of the West by not only low IQ brown people, but also the engineered long term destruction of Western culture, and part of that destruction involves infection by degenerate dindu american culture (which was largely engineered and pushed along by the same steins and bergs that want to fuck over the whites). Possibly your culture, so it's understandable why you're mad, you benefit for the time being by the assault put on us.

And if black women had any value on the dating market, black men might be vocal about all the races trying to snatch them up, but no one wants them, so it's basically a YOLO free for all for black men.

But don't be so shortsighted, the free ride stops soon. Maybe another decade before things violently correct themselves.
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(10-04-2019 04:20 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  I don't believe there is any real 'anti-white' rhetoric in the media. Got any examples? The British media is very white and racist, just look at the BBC. Just a bunch of posh racist Whites looking down on anything non-liberal and white.

Hehehe - that's another black insane one seeing racism everywhere while not seeing anything what is really going on.

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And it's not only the UK media, but all across the West. I even see the fucking Eastern European media giving keys to the city to the 2 Muslims who get beaten up on the streets. The (((media))) there blabbers on endlessly about it as if it's a common thing. But when another Muslim again kills someone willy-nilly, then the press remains mostly silent about it. German media barely reports on certain crimes.

And whatever you are seein in the British media about your tribe, then it's only a small part of it, but it's a pity that it's just 1000% more common than other ethnicities.

The BBC however is so blatently anti-Western and anti-White that it might be coached by the ADL. Whatever... another Diane Abbott there seeing racism everywhere. As for classism - that was always the case in Britain, they just replaced at least their Bolshevik arms to blame-Whitey-for-everything.
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Don't think the BBC is anti-white or anti-western.

The BBC and the Guardian are institutions run by White UMC Liberals. They are all white and only accept whites into their social circles. Correct me if I'm wrong but UMC White Liberals are the most racist, as literally no other race accepts their bullshit liberal views.

As a brown person I may get token (over) representation, but that is superficial. All the jobs at the top and the social group they are aligned with is just White UMCs.
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(10-04-2019 09:31 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  Don't think the BBC is anti-white or anti-western.

It's more complex than that. The nature of liberal whites is they bash their own race while simultaneously expecting to maintain their own individual status. Great example of this is Brie Larson. It's a patronizing white-savior complex. Extend that to gender as well (every male director in Hollywood who has gone woke like Rian Johnson and Paul Feig. The movies may feature female protagonists but these directors don't want to quit their cushy job to make room for female directors.).
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