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RE: The sun sets on the Age of the Manosphere
The thing about the manosphere is that women are usually the inviting feature. MOST boys/men 14-30 that join sites and forums like this seek information on women. They have no real care of religion, working out (unless they play a sport), building charisma, etc. Instead, they want to learn how to get women. The average male is perfectly content with sitting at home playing video games and masturbating, but sooner or later they want the real thing. They join sites like this, learn about game, learn what it takes and usually in the order; learn to enjoy working out, start to enjoy reading, start to want to make FU money, learn about philosophy, history, art, and true masculinity. Frame is the biggest thing men learn.

So with these sudden shifts and deletions of "masculine" information, many men are starting to settle. we need more competition between men. Im a christian man but without a certain level of frame and game these men are going to get used and abused by these women.

A boy I mentor in basketball had a horrible work ethic. I told him, man, you're skinny girls like a little muscle. I explained to him which muscles girls like. One day he had a really bad day, I told him hey man work out, lift heavy and that stress will go away. He did so and been addicted to lifting ever since. He enjoys learning, enjoys bettering himself, etc he's becoming a better man.
10-04-2019 11:16 AM
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(10-04-2019 12:36 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I think a lot of people don't understand how everything is connected.

There is no real learning about women without understanding the society you're in, which means learning about politics as well.

Too many people want to put things in separate boxes, but you're going to end up with nasty surprises that way.

100% and I did not mean to come off as everything not being connected by putting them into boxes, just simply it is the nature of the beast. My purpose to go see Roosh tomorrow is to gain some wisdom directly from the man himself about the direction his life is going and the things he has learned along the way, which while mine is going a slightly different way, the paths cross at some point I believe.

I only boxed things together because of the reaction of my friend upon telling him who I was going to see and what it was about, his instant reaction was this is bad and this is a bad crowd of people, and he probably wouldn't be able to connect with any of them at the happy hour so he wasn't interested. So I simply had to inform him that despite what he thinks I wasn't going to a white nationalist pick up convention since thats immediately what he associated everything with as soon as he heard the words ex-game and redpill. I should have been more tactful in my short busy texts to him but thats in the past and I diffused his understanding of it for the most part.

But it still a problem at the end of the day to be automatically associated as a "bad person" just for associating with a certain part of the internet where hundreds of thousands of people have their own separate beliefs. While I see everything connected and I know that the white race is dwindling, I plan to move to SEA and have a family over there, so its not a concern to my everyday life. But I am aware of it and aware I personally will end up contributing to that dwindling, so I find it interesting to suddenly be considered a white nationalist just for going to see a speaker at a event. Same goes for politics and any topics, its one thing to be aware, and one thing to be grouped into something you dont always agree with just based on your choices to seek further truth.
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The Manosphere is changing from a place where men learn the Venusian Arts (aka the Art of Seduction) to becoming Aryan Warriors. In the grand scheme of things, this is just a cycle and necessary as part of humanity's evolution to conquer the stars. Think of the Manosphere now as part of humanity's struggle to leave the current clown world Kali Yuga and head to the next age (darkest before the dawn).
10-04-2019 04:13 PM
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(10-04-2019 04:13 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  The Manosphere is changing from a place where men learn the Venusian Arts (aka the Art of Seduction) to becoming Aryan Warriors. In the grand scheme of things, this is just a cycle and necessary as part of humanity's evolution to conquer the stars. Think of the Manosphere now as part of humanity's struggle to leave the current clown world Kali Yuga and head to the next age (darkest before the dawn).

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The shift in the forum is demonstrably creating a false binary that game and morality are not compatible. There is a pervading sense here from men who've been raised by-or-near what I would call "sissy-Christians" that turning to Christian morality presents a requirement to cut off your balls and wife up the first fat cunt that saunters up to you after the next service.

This is not the case. Masculinity has been stripped out of everything during the years of Boomer cultural dominance, including the various churches, but if you knew a few red-pilled solid Christian men then you'd soon turn your opinion around on whether Christianity is synonymous with being a cuck. Thing is, those guys are not social characters. You deal with them all the time, in businesses or at your own job. You just don't associate that masculine guy that lifts and gets fluttery eyes from the nearby women as being a Christian because he doesn't make a big song and dance about his religion. Instead your entire world view about Christian men is either drawn from (((entertainment media))) or personal experience with pussyified Boomer Christians.

Where masculinity is concerned you might consider that the God pill is a step sideways but you can be damned sure it's not a step backward.

Having casual sex with lots of loose women has NEVER been the gold standard of masculinity in the history of mankind and we're kidding ourselves if we think that stepping away from male hypergamy is somehow synonymous with failing to teach the next generation a masculine ethos.

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@Leonard D Neubache

It all started at earnest in the 12th century because of this:
Start at chapter 6
http://podles.org/church-impotent.htm

Also the corruption of the warriors at the same time too:
https://gynocentrism.com/2013/07/14/the-...lric-love/
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(10-04-2019 10:59 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Having casual sex with lots of loose women has NEVER been the gold standard of masculinity in the history of mankind and we're kidding ourselves if we think that stepping away from male hypergamy is somehow synonymous with failing to teach the next generation a masculine ethos.

I agree 100% but I also know that many men "especially this new SJW generation" could care less about and opposes God.

I'm saying Men's quest for women usually sends him on the path to the red pill.
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I think its very graceful that Roosh let the game section stay instead of completely deleting it.
Even if people now want to stop fornicating and get a wife, they cant just marry the first girl they meet if they have not developed good enough screening skills. If anything thats benefit from reading the game section.
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It's all kind of moot anyways. If a young man wants to learn game, reads the archives, and has a question that he can't find the answer to, he can click on the member's profile, check to see if they have been online lately, and send him a PM asking for more advice on a specific question.

This isn't molecular science; if they can't figure to PM someone then that man wouldn't be cut out to learn game anyways.

I think a lot of guys here act like the younger guys are so weak we need to hold their hands in everything. I think this is a terrible argument to keep the game forum open, which is what a lot of guys here argue for.

The best and only valid reason to reopen the game forum is if we want to collectively go back to scoring more skanks and ho's, and have some laughs while doing it. It's not necessary and ultimately leads to hell. All young men below us will most likely travel a similar journey, and can see from Roosh's example of where it leads.

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Game is hardly a secret and there are enough non-political sources to learn from it. You can even peruse Heartiste purely for Game content and as a black man learn to bang White girls if that is your wish. Game is universal - works on all girls from all races and religions.

The same goes for the Red Pill - if you want zero politics - go to Rollo Tomassi and you won't hear anything on that front.

The political aspect is individual - more a personal journey just as Roosh went more spiritual. You don't have to follow roosh into the God pill or share Heartiste's views on politics in order to appreciate their contributions to Game/pure Red Pill. I even had a few discussions in private with black RVF members. After a few heated PMs it usually became more civil as they understood where I was coming from even if they did not agree with all my points. Those things don't come out of blanket hate or some kind of supremacy. But I understand when this is then misunderstood or easily conflated with all kinds of -isms because people are taught to conflate those things automatically with other positions.

And the politics aspect - it all comes and goes, even individual perceptions go. Once the West is the multicultural paradise of Brazil-like dimension, then any fight or resistence won't matter anymore. Everyone can then go back to enjoying the decline and sharing tips on how to bang the most hoes. Though even then - it will depend on how painful the gems will want to squeeze the paypigs in the new system.
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(09-30-2019 10:45 PM)questor70 Wrote:  I know this isn't a popular opinion but I think the one group that will gain ground in all this is MGTOW. PUA was about trying to even the scales of the sexual marketplace. But now, with women making themselves more and more unappealing and demonizing men, the less men are going to be motivated to even bother (or risk) trying to win their affections. Consequently, the battle of the sexes is entering into a death-spiral. If you don't get laid, you're dangerous, but if you dare approach a woman on the street, you're a harasser. If you DO get laid, you risk your life ruined as sexual regret is warped into #MeToo accusations. This is a hysteria that reminds me of the McCarthy trials and I'm concerned for how far things will slide on this slippery-slope because outside of Dave Chappelle I'm not seeing a lot of hope. (edit: I posted this before the reply above talking about the imminent closure of the Reddit redpill section. Slippery slope indeed.)

Men have been taking red-pills but the ball is now in the court of women. I've been watching a lot of Donovan Sharpe videos lately and almost all of them tear away at women's delusions. I doubt many women see his videos, but they damn well should. I applaud Roosh for writing his book Lady but just as with Sharpe, the people who need to hear the message the most will just shoot the messenger. There needs to be some sort of female analog to Roosh that will get through to women in a way that resonates to them. Someone like Cassie Jaye but much more forceful. If that doesn't happen I don't see how it leaves men in a good position.

Any movement that fails to attract young fertile women is doomed to fail I think. Young fertile women will always be in the center of attention, so if the Manosphere can gain support from those women, the Manosphere may have good prospects.

People do not respect sausage feasts. Hence why the term incel is such a common slur on men that are part of men's movements.
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(10-02-2019 04:56 AM)wwtl Wrote:  It's no accident that this forum is filled with threads about traveling every corner of the world to find that unicorn unspoiled wife for settling down, discussing how society is going to corrupt her anyway, et cetera et cetera.

Now dropping out of society has consequences and when I look at where I was two years ago when I changed my mind again, having a traditional family was now the most unrealistic and impossible prospect I could think of back then. Literally science fiction or fairy-tale-tier high fantasy, elves and orcs - a ring to rule them all, you know that stuff. Not only because of the state of society, but also when I was looking at my own resources (including financials and professional prospects) and the state of my social network.

So as freshly converted Christian I figured that when there is simply no "realistic" solution left - one which could be implemented within a realistic time-frame with the tools available to an aging man - I need the Lord's help and essentially asked Him for nothing less than a miracle.

And boy, did He answer, started changing me and set me on a trajectory which is borderline unbelievable. Suddenly it started raining one happy "coincidence" after the next and it still doesn't stop. My journey just started, but if I could travel back to my blackpilled heathen self of 2015 lurking on 4chan and tell him what is going on in my 2019 life just the few past months: "Hey, wwtl, you are going to learn to play golf in 2019." - "Yeah sure, pal Dodgy - and Donald Trump is going to be president."

My post resonated well with the forum, so I like to add something:

First the Lord started changing me into a Man at a breathtaking pace, so much that even people who know nothing about my spiritual path started noticing the development and inquire me what the heck I did (nothing except submission, faith and obedience). And any new challenge the Almighty sets me up with to further improve myself, I barely pass the second I'm able to. I can only imagine where this is going finish.

However while this was already underway God started giving sign after sign after sign outlining His grand plan for my future. Every day - especially those at church - is now watching out for more details, clarifications, explanations. Every question gets answered, every doubt cleared up. What makes watching this unfold so amazing, is how coherent, logical and non-contradicting everything is. Nothing I got told recently contradicts anything shown months ago. Any small development in my current life is confirming what I got told previously. Any side quest I choose to pick up - any mishap I do - it's already built into the plan.

I wish there would be even one video game or TV show on Earth having this kind of absolutely flawless writing. Yes, He likes cliffhangers as much as they do, but there are no loose ends - everything wraps up in perfection.

I read testimonials like these from fully submitted Christians after my conversion and I couldn't believe in them. Now that I've been taken on such a wild ride myself I know I sound just as ridiculous.

Yet all it did was:

1. Fully submit myself and my life to His will and His will only in prayer.
2. Stay in faith, fully believing in the good outcome of His plan.
3. Religiously obey His instructions - which are mostly "Stop acting up and wait for the Lord to make His moves."

This is essentially what the God Pill is about and why it supersedes the Red Pill, the Manosphere and Game:

Matthew 19:26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
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Oscar Henri: Young fertile women will join the winners. Doesn't matter to them who the winners are. Women are not needed to win a fight. In fact, they are in the way.
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(10-05-2019 07:29 PM)Pinkman Wrote:  Oscar Henri: Young fertile women will join the winners. Doesn't matter to them who the winners are. Women are not needed to win a fight. In fact, they are in the way.

That's the problem. The Manosphere isn't seen as something cool. Hollywood decides what is cool.
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(10-05-2019 06:48 PM)Oscar Henri Wrote:  People do not respect sausage feasts. Hence why the term incel is such a common slur on men that are part of men's movements.

Freudian slip?
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(10-05-2019 07:34 PM)Oscar Henri Wrote:  Hollywood decides what is cool.

The people are the final arbiter of what's cool. I mean, I'm not exactly thrilled with the double-whammy of Rachel Maddow and Ruby Rose on Batwoman and I doubt few others are either.
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(10-04-2019 10:59 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Having casual sex with lots of loose women has NEVER been the gold standard of masculinity in the history of mankind

Out of curiosity, what would you say the "Gold Standard of Masculinity" has generally been, throughout History?

I'd say, it has been, during millenaries: having a ten-to-twenty years younger, very pretty, wife who's safely living in your (fully-owned) house and happily raising your beautiful children, while you're protecting the borders of your Native country (by ruthlessly disposing of its enemies and every invader), preferably serving in the military.

That's what has been the dream and "Gold Standard" of most brave men throughout History. And nowadays, what percentage of men reach this noble Standard? 5%?
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(10-05-2019 08:32 PM)Going strong Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 10:59 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Having casual sex with lots of loose women has NEVER been the gold standard of masculinity in the history of mankind

Out of curiosity, what would you say the "Gold Standard of Masculinity" has generally been, throughout History?

I'd say, it has been, during millenaries: having a ten-to-twenty years younger, very pretty, wife who's safely living in your (fully-owned) house and happily raising your beautiful children, while you're protecting the borders of your Native country (by ruthlessly disposing of its enemies and every invader), preferably serving in the military.

That's what has been the dream and "Gold Standard" of most brave men throughout History. And nowadays, what percentage of men reach this noble Standard? 5%?

Lose the misguided age difference based on delayed adulthood/vanity and you're about on par. In a healthy society you marry and start having kids in your early twenties, which seems less bizarre if you're pursuing masculine hobbies from the time you're old enough to use a gun. Most modern Western men are literally ten to fifteen years behind the masculinity curve due to delayed adulthood and gender neutral social indoctrination.

Manosphere masculinity is often a last ditch effort to salvage what has been grossly damaged, hence topics like how young a wife you can get after you start getting liver spots. It's akin to asking what to do when you get a flat tire in the middle of nowhere having failed to check your spare earlier and finding it's also flat. That advice might be useful and necessary to the guys that already done-fucked-up but the new kids should be prevented from making the same mistakes.

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Lenny, in a healthy society women are different. In healthy societies men who are 40 marry 19 year olds, and also 20+ year olds marry 20 somethings. This is the history of the world.

Not so now.

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(10-05-2019 06:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It's all kind of moot anyways. If a young man wants to learn game, reads the archives, and has a question that he can't find the answer to, he can click on the member's profile, check to see if they have been online lately, and send him a PM asking for more advice on a specific question.

This isn't molecular science; if they can't figure to PM someone then that man wouldn't be cut out to learn game anyways.

I think a lot of guys here act like the younger guys are so weak we need to hold their hands in everything. I think this is a terrible argument to keep the game forum open, which is what a lot of guys here argue for.

The best and only valid reason to reopen the game forum is if we want to collectively go back to scoring more skanks and ho's, and have some laughs while doing it. It's not necessary and ultimately leads to hell. All young men below us will most likely travel a similar journey, and can see from Roosh's example of where it leads.

No one responds to PMs from low post count members on this forum.
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(10-05-2019 06:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It's all kind of moot anyways. If a young man wants to learn game, reads the archives, and has a question that he can't find the answer to, he can click on the member's profile, check to see if they have been online lately, and send him a PM asking for more advice on a specific question.

This isn't molecular science; if they can't figure to PM someone then that man wouldn't be cut out to learn game anyways.

I think a lot of guys here act like the younger guys are so weak we need to hold their hands in everything. I think this is a terrible argument to keep the game forum open, which is what a lot of guys here argue for.

The best and only valid reason to reopen the game forum is if we want to collectively go back to scoring more skanks and ho's, and have some laughs while doing it. It's not necessary and ultimately leads to hell. All young men below us will most likely travel a similar journey, and can see from Roosh's example of where it leads.

One of the problems with the "game" metaphor is that it only looks at one side of the equation - how to attract women. But, the other side is how to select from the women you attract to find someone that has good character. The "game" theorist doesn't care because he is only thinking short term. When you want a long term relationship, women can be as deceptive as men. So, why not just trash the "game" metaphor and call it "the social skills forum" or something more catchy?

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(10-05-2019 10:12 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's akin to asking what to do when you get a flat tire in the middle of nowhere having failed to check your spare earlier and finding it's also flat.

Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything, because I would never be so careless, but if someone was to, say, give you an "Air Dragon" for Christmas, and you were to thoughtlessly throw it behind the seat of the ute, it may just come in very handy in this exact scenario.

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(10-05-2019 10:45 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Lenny, in a healthy society women are different. In healthy societies men who are 40 marry 19 year olds, and also 20+ year olds marry 20 somethings. This is the history of the world.

Not so now.

We will have to disagree on the former. A 40 year old bachelor who isn't a widower would be presumed gay or defective by most pre-modern peoples.

I've seen the results of 20 year gap pairings that basically leave a relatively young widow and grandchildren without a functional grandfather. The fact that it happened from time to time doesn't mean it's right or proper. Now, some guys are going to wake up at 40 and think "crap, I better get started" and I'm not going to tell them to just keel over and die for everyone else's sake, but young guys getting advice to the tune of "don't worry, just fuck around 'til you're 40 like me" are being shortchanged by anti-traditionalist hedonists who wont be around to pick up the pieces when those guys learn the truth the hard way 20 years from now.

(10-06-2019 01:45 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  ...
A few major red pills from the movie:

-Arthur Fleck's narcissistic, delusional single mother is probably responsible for his insanity
-Society treats most white men horribly, those who need the most help are relentlessly humiliated
-There is no longer any sense of compassion and genuine civic virtue in public life, which is a brutal and amoral rat race
-The wealthy privileged are pretentious bullies who totally deserve the public's fury

"The Joker" ultimately poses a deeply troubling, and totally valid question: Why shouldn't someone getting destroyed by an evil, toxic society attempt to destroy it right back?

If a guy has no career, no supportive social network, no girlfriend, etc, what incentive does he have for the status quo to continue? What does he have to lose? Why should he feel bad if people who openly hate him, and couldn't give a shit whether he lived or died, get hurt as a result of his actions? What does he really owe them, anyways?

There's no good answer, and that is what makes the movie haunting.

PS- I disavow all forms of violence completely, in case there was any ambiguity in the above movie review.

I noted some time ago that American whites have been conditioned to think and act like Jews minus the ethnocentrism. Extremist capitalism. Burn the world for a dollar. Snitch on your neighbor then use the reward money to buy his house at auction. The American dream and American values have been perverted drastically by (((Hollywood))) over the last 50 years and now American whites are barely recognisable in their behavioral traits as being descended from Europeans.

It's not surprising that (((Hollywood))) is trying to push the narrative that the response to this atomised, selfish society is to lash out neurotically at everyone and everything else rather than simply beginning to once again act like Europeans.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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The ‘sphere declined because we never had a true leader with a unified message on an effective media outlet.

The more you think of it, Roosh was the only major public figurehead in the ‘sphere. The only other public figure that I can even think of is the main RSD guy, and that’s more of a pure pickup guy than a figurehead. The rest of the ‘sphere was a compilation of underground media: Wordpress blogs, forums, and subreddits.

We only had one man leading the charge, who probably never expected to be such an internationally hated figure. It was easy for the Globohomos to poke holes in Roosh’s strategy and bully us into a corner.

I don’t want to say Roosh miscalculated his style of writing because it drew loads of media attention, new readers, and notoriety. However, articles such as “5 reasons to date a girl with an eating disorder,” or “How to Stop Rape” are not palatable to even a minority of the male population. When our content is littered with stuff like that, we’re essentially JFK driving in a convertible with the top down, waiting for a bullet to hit him. It becomes too easy for the media to turn 99% of the world against us and our message.

We never had a figure that was able to make the rounds on major news outlets and preach a logical message. Roosh’s image was too toxic for Fox News, ABC, etc. No matter what truth he spit, he’d always be labeled as “the rape guy” or the “fat shaming guy” or whichever clickbait troll article they wanted to cherry pick.

Roosh, ROK, TRP, Heartiste, etc had their purpose. They spawned a mini army of independent thinkers, questioning the mainstream gender narrative. The leader of the next generation to take the ‘sphere into new heights needs to be an independently wealthy, charismatic, good looking guy with a sharp tongue and eloquent debating skills. I’m thinking of an edgier Anthony Scaramucci or Tucker Carlson type, albeit much more removed from mainstream media and politics. A man who is publicly successful on all levels: finances, health, charm, dating/marriage/family.

I’ve often pondered on whether I could be such a figure once I achieve independent wealth. Once my daydreams are over, I think of the affect this would have on my life. I would be famous, but most likely not achieving significant wealth from this venture. I would alienate myself, my partner, my children and family from mainstream society. I would probably require 24/7 protection. I could never live life as a normal person again. This is why Heartiste and Rollo and Dalrock haven’t gone public with their identities. The trade offs aren’t worth it, especially without significant independent wealth.

I believe the ‘sphere is ripe for this type of leader. Gavin Mcinnes seems next for the throne, but I also feel like he’s made himself too toxic for the mainstream public. Race and religion are dangerous topics, and he seems more focused on “Western Values” type stuff that often crosses these lines as opposed to purely mens issues.

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So you need a public figure to basically stand for nothing at all that makes the manosphere unique?

I mean, by that standard you already have Jordan Peterson and even he is too edgy for the mainstream. They left him off the tele after he sharply diced up a few NPC interviewers.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Anything relevant and pure is verboten. The very fact that someone was a real leader would instantly make them the target for a thousand smear campaigns and they would be deplatformed in every conceivable way.

Try to imagine a thousand media articles to the effect of "experts suggest that Graft's far right rhetoric is a danger to women, including his wife".

We win by being the rising tide, not giving them tall poppies to cut down.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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