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RE: Homelessness in America
Here's a recent, thorough overview of what the problem has done to Seattle:



10-02-2019 11:23 AM
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The homelessness in the US different from Western Europe. In Europe it's often the re-shuffling of resources from the locals to the immigrants. You have even TV reports from Italy where you see Italian welfare families camping outside because they were kicked out of council flats that went straight to rerfugees.

In the US certain climates but also supporting liberal governments attract them from all over the country. A city must always clean up their streets.

Scotland used to have such a neat system that they created houses that were mostly administrated by former homeless. Everyone got a room and had all his amenities paid, they had some food and conflicts were mostly resolved by the more functional members who banned together. Usually neither the houses nor locations were overly attractive - but it was clean and quiet. It did not disturb the neighborhood too much.

Though there was no meth and few hard drugs there and only alcoholics. In the US there are so many liberal hurdles against all of these steps that it wouldn't work. It would even be cheaper to create giant compounds for the homeless than to deal with all the crap that comes out of it - including the loss in real estate in prime locations like San Francisco or LA. It will probably get worse until the plague comes or the streets are filled with shit everywhere - or something more extreme happens.

Or they will really divide cities into zones and the upper tier zones will not have any homeless around while the people in the bottom can solve the problem themselves - all without even setting up boulders or asking them to not take a dump in front of their store.
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Homeless is a condition of the head, not the literal sense of you have no place to go. Building everybody a council flat wouldn't change anything. They'd still have the underlying problem that made them homeless, bet it addiction or mental health, or whatever.
10-02-2019 02:14 PM
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< For some it's true, but not all. There are those who cannot be helped. Even if you give them a fully paid pad, then they will split after a while. But this is not true of all homeless. Many are quite functional and are just too far gone to get out of the vicious cycle.
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RE: Homelessness in America
I dunno.... I bounce down the PNW from time to
Time and was shocked at how quickly it’s increased. It’s not just the typical kinda homeless look either but lots of younger semi ANTIFA types. It’s becoming extremely hard to get by with how expensive these cities are for the average person.

There is also such a bullshit “illusion” of how great they are.... people from all over the world flock to Hollywood from all the bs glamour they see but it’s a fucking shithole!

I saw the writing on the wall a LONG time ago .... maybe because I was floating between some of these cities 6mths/1 year and wasn’t as desensitised as someone who lives there day to day
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RE: Homelessness in America
I mentioned this in the other thread about retail stores , but the above poster is right about what is happening about the cities being divided. I always use the rv/van example because it’s the most obvious when you come to LA. They passed a law in LA that you can’t tow/arrest someone sleeping in their car anymore. Overnight there became a shitload more rvs/vans everywhere aside from the original Venice/pch /areas. Certain areas in LA (mostly the richer ones) got around this law by using an older revenue based law. They imposed either all meter parking or have permit parking at night. So if any rv/van is parked more then a day they can get ticketed/towed. You don’t see these rvs and vans in Beverly Hills,century city, parts of Santa Monica and etc. westwood/Brentwood’. But every where else they can take up to half the block of parking those things. It’s so bad in my area in westla for street parking now that if you haven’t gotten a spot by 5pm you could be driving in your neighborhood for an hour looking for a parking spot. I got so annoyed with it I moved to a place that I Negotiated for 3 parking spots in the building.
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RE: Homelessness in America
Back in early 2000s, in my early 20s, I worked a job on the road. I split a hotel room with another guy (middle aged) working in the area. The news came on, and there was a homeless people talking, the conversation I still remember went a little like this.

Me: Its really too bad those people are out on the streets

Him: They disgust me. I was homeless, you know why? Because I wanted to be. Homeless people are on the streets because they don't want to try at life, and that's what makes someone homeless. You can't help them and don't feel sorry for them.

Me: Whoa, I didn't know you were homeless

Him: You know what the worst part of being homeless is? You can't sleep, when you go to bed, its 3am and people are just finishing up partying, When you wake up its 5am and the early birds are off to work. So a homeless guy never really gets a good nights rest.

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In the name of disclosure, I was homeless for about a month and a half. My lease was up, I knew it was, but I hate house hunting so I didn't do a damn thing about it. I had a Subaru Forester at the time and the seats folded flat and if I laid down diagonally, I could lay fully flat on an air pad. I still had a job and I lived in Flagstaff at the time so I'd just drive down a forest road I knew pretty well and sleep out there. Nobody bothers you.

One of the few times I slept at Walmart a guy propositioned me as to whether I'd like to get off, so I tried to avoid Walmart after that.

Honestly, it's not bad, but it gets old. Internet? Cell data or library, but the library closes. Shower at the gym. I had a backpacking stove so I could cook and most of my crap was in a storage unit. Couple weeks like that is okay, but after that, you'll bfe ready for a real domicile.
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RE: Homelessness in America
I think all people should do this once a year for about a week. It shows you that you can survive if need be and how to solve the problems that many people fall victim to.

LA was a shithole last time I went there...

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RE: Homelessness in America
Thanks for starting this thread. I've been meaning to do so, just can never seem to find the time to make a thorough post as a starting point.

Lots of good responses in here. The homelessness issue is a complex one, for sure. There's a large subset of homeless that are chronically mentally ill and teeter between crisis interventions at inpatient & emergency psych departments, not wanting help, not believing they need help. There are plenty of homeless vets that choose to live on the streets because they cannot reintegrate successfully with society. So for these two groups, I give them some slack.

Let me tell you who I've mostly dealt with, as a psych RN in Northern California/Oakland/Alameda Co. area: drug-addled idiots that cause mayhem in the community then get picked up by the police, only to tell them "I'm going to kill myself" to get themselves on a 5150 (which is a single sheet of paper, boom, PD is done with them, just drop them off at the nearest emergency dept or psych facility), then come in with their entitled bullshit about needing three sandwiches and a gallon of orange juice. Rinse/repeat three days later.

The larger issue that's come into play in the last decade is that we have all these various "centers" and "foundations" that are supposed to be helping eradicate the homeless problem. Here's what's wrong with that scenario: If I'm making $160k a year running a program, and my foundation is getting 10 million dollar grants from the government, I have exactly zero incentive to fix anything - sorry, last year's money didn't do enough, we need to rethink our strategy, hire more liberal arts degree'd morons, get a fresh grant for how about 20 mil this time, and retool our interventions for ten months. This right here is what's killing Seattle, and is happening in SF as well. Nothing is getting fixed. No good ideas will come from these places. There's an article about this topic but I've just not been able to find it. If I do, though, I'll be sure to post in here.

One thing that every citizen can do to help curb homelessness is to stop giving them anything - no money, no food, no attention, NOTHING.

I lived for two years in Southern Arizona. During a short stint working for a private psych facility, I overheard an encounter an employee was having with a homeless dude, getting ready to be discharged. We had diligently kept all his personal belongings in a large storage room (one of the stinkiest rooms in existence, no doubt), to include is half dozen cardboard signs. He said he makes about $100 in four hours, during morning rush hour. Knocks off around 11am, goes and fucks off for the day. That's $25 per hour, tax free, plus the money the state gives him. After I paid my taxes, I made less than this asshole.
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Taxpayer funded apartments to put homeless people in while they get their shit together needs one vital component: the bureaucrats running the place have to be such colossal pains in the ass that you don't really want to live there, while balancing the need to make the place better than being on the street.
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RE: Homelessness in America
A bit of insight from the conversation concerning the Joker.

The Homeless Problem (among many others, in second thought) may be one of hyper-sanity. How I understand the concept: the mind is able to internally fixate deeply upon one kernel of Truth, disregarding the apparent ‘illusion’ of the external world.

To put it simply, these people have some subjectively horrible trauma in their life that has shut down their ability to keep up with the demands of society. To yoke Freud, the Ego abandons the Super-Ego due to demand from the Id.

Hence why the homeless have such scattered stories: the truly abused, the truly unlucky, and the chaff.

Already I am pondering the potential connections to any myriad of psychological states, such as scarcity mindset. As always there is The Game.
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What gets me is how many people on the West Coast don't see how big of a problem this is, and by enabling shitty behavior it will keep getting worse. The absolute filth, entitlement and madness the homeless bring with them will make your blood boil. They leave trash everywhere, set up their tents and RVs wherever they want, leave needles, shit and piss, open meth and heroin use because they know they'll get away with it, trying to start shit with you because they're miserable and want attention.

This is all because these brainwashed, limp wristed Leftists enable shitty behavior. Anyone around Seattle working to "help the homeless" is incompetent and probably full of shit.
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(10-09-2019 01:06 AM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  What gets me is how many people on the West Coast don't see how big of a problem this is, and by enabling shitty behavior it will keep getting worse. The absolute filth, entitlement and madness the homeless bring with them will make your blood boil. They leave trash everywhere, set up their tents and RVs wherever they want, leave needles, shit and piss, open meth and heroin use because they know they'll get away with it, trying to start shit with you because they're miserable and want attention.

This is all because these brainwashed, limp wristed Leftists enable shitty behavior. Anyone around Seattle working to "help the homeless" is incompetent and probably full of shit.

I get it some limp wristed Leftist love helping the homeless as signal virtue... but with your post you basically shitted on everybody working in mental health! Your intentions are good... but with you're outlook... how can it improve their conditions? Listen I don't have the answers... but I know the tough approach simply doesn't work!
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(10-09-2019 12:03 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  Already I am pondering the potential connections to any myriad of psychological states, such as scarcity mindset. As always there is The Game.

Single mothers raise dysfunctional kids and there are no positive male role models to emulate anymore from TV / movies either. The only remotely masculine guys that get promoted are thug rappers spreading psychopathy.

It's the desired result by the elite.

A large dysfunctional underclass, living in total chaos and anarchy out of which a one world commie government can arise.

They don't give two shits about you and me just like some starving kid in Africa is fairly abstract to you.

We're all pawns in a big game of chess and the only way to remove yourself from the game is to opt out of society by going off grid beyond their reach, which thanks to 5G is soon apparently global with no blind spots.

Only the most psychopathic and Machiavellian will soon be able to rise through the ranks and it's not a state a non psychopath can bend his mind to without breaking.
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Most people on the West Coast are embroiled in the Rot. It is a nagging sort of spirit, be it manifested in bleeding hearts, wine-and-psychotropic induced nirvana, or revolutionary thuggery. The sickness is lensed, emanating in myriad forms! The point is that everyone recognizes the plight of the homeless because it is the Spirit of the Times. It is projected from that California Consciousness, which seems at times the pinnacle of human achievement - be it through academia, culture, technology, and any other human expression.

It is a bitter brew! The problem being not that it is engineered by some nefarious (((They))); rather it is the Human Spirit - a stratified hierarchy so stark it is undeniable. The City of Angels is what Man is!

And there is the root of the problem... The perfect plight of the human soul. Some people are dispossessed by that hierarchy. There are some 60,000 homeless individuals living within Los Angeles. Harrowing. A small country! Yet there are some 7,000,000 homo sapiens (of all sorts, be they sapiens or otherwise!) surrounding this Midnight Nation. So. Doing the maths... Approximately 1% of human beings fall through the cracks. Which seems about right, considering the imaginary conception of ‘The 1%’ - or perhaps the i in keeping mathematical.

Intriguing. The system is open ended at the tips, the top and bottom.
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Dr Gabor Maté, a Vancouver Dr working with the Downtown Drug Addicts, specifically mentions the big common thread between hardcore addicts is ADHD being un-diagnosed in them, & getting worse over time, and only then do they reluctantly start using Drugs in order to try feeling better. Countless addicts have described Heroin feeling like "Receiving a Warm Hug"!

Until we start having a conversation about how to treat ourselves without Pharmaceuticals products... it's ALMOST pointless to talk about ways to drastically reduce Homelessness! Just like a fighter's Chin can't recover once being hit on the "button" too much, the Brain can't recover once it's hooked on a harmful substance!

Some of you have dugged in conspiracies about ((())), well I've dugged deep about Health & Medicine due to my Bodybuilding passion, and there's no questions about strings being pulled. Psychedelics that can heal the Brain are PERSONA NON GRATA in the Media & Publications! Just like the opposite of mainstream advice on Women is the way to go... if something's Banned by the FDA, and ESPECIALLY by Health Canada (worse than the FDA by FAR)... it might be a hidden gem! Look it Up!

I'll end on this: if you're a small fish, and you talk about ((())), they'll smear you of course... but you get to live... but if you talk about Natural Cures for serious illnesses... you get DISSAPEARED under Seth Rich conditions... even as an unknown Joe Blow!

Let that Sync In! This ain't a Game!
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Homelessness is a symptomatic problem, and is generally more a systemic issue than it is individualistic. What I mean by this is that homeless come about when a society falls into dysfunction, not the other way around. In a healthy society only the extreme outlier is homeless, and entirely by choice. If a nation doesn't provide shelter to its citizens, this sort of crisis is bound to develop. The drug addicts make up just one small piece of this monumental catastrophe.

The only thing between a homeless person and a normal person is a home. In more sane times, the natural thing to do was to go out, gather materials, gather builders, and construct your dwellings. Given the number of workers and their level of efficiency, this could be done in a week. Yet after multiple centuries of technological innovation and resource acquisition, we have homeless who have been out on the street for 20 some years. Viewed in a historical context, this is nothing short of insanity.

So what happened? In short, the emergence of the housing market. Yes, a market will naturally arise from anything that has value, but the key here is that the supply is regulated. This means that one isn't allowed find an empty plot of land and build their shelter upon it. Whether this is a good law or not is up for debate. But the result is clear: to those excluded from the housing market, the street/RV/tent are the only options. Forbid man from building and you create an army of helpless, wandering vagrants.
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The elephant in the room is not the lack of housing but the lack of work options for the ever growing underclass as the profiteers have shifted labor to cheaper countries and Trump is just going tough on China etc. for show.

Then there is also automation and managers pushing the chosen few for unskilled jobs to the brink in Amazon warehouse labor camps.

A president that is truly independent and wanted the best for the US would go full nat soc at this point about production having to happen in the US, shutting down Wal Mart in favor of mom and pop shops etc. but that's just not going to happen and we will see a 3rd world country slowly but surely developing where straight white men are the new underclass that either have to be very highly skilled while incurring boat loads of debt in commie re-education colleges, turn to thuggery or suck up to women and minorities and curry favor to them in order to get any employment at all.
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^Wanna know how many homeless people I dealt with, over the course of 25 years in emergency psychiatric services, that would gladly take a job if only someone would offer them one? Zero. Exactly Zero. Out of tens of thousands of patients. Not a single one of them ever followed through with any assistance that required of them to show even an excruciatingly small amount of personal responsibility. I'm talking about "any assistance" meaning plenty of these people wouldn't stay at a shelter because they were asked to do something atrocious like sweep the floor, or throw away their own trash, or take a goddam shower. That particular elephant you're referring to is an old stuffed animal in the corner.
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Solitaire, I get what you're saying, but the homeless who would take a job are probably sane enough to to not require an emergency psychiatric service, therefore you'd never come in contact with them. You seem to be only dealing with the worst of the worst - the trash that's homeless by choice.

Surely some part of homeless unemployed people eventually do stop being homeless and unemployed. Are there any stats on this?

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Yes, you're absolutely correct, HCE - there's a minority percentage of the homeless that are in a hopefully short-term predicament, having lost their home or apartment for various reasons, and will get themselves back on their feet somehow. When I have some time I'll try digging up some stats for all this (super busy trying to get a brewery up & running with a couple business partners) but what I'm getting at is that the homeless people everyone complains about, the ones pissing on car tires, pooping on doorsteps, shooting up across the street from the daycare centers, they are the ones who will not work, etc, and they are the vast majority, at least for now.
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Solitaire is right. Most of the homeless I've seen are pieces of garbage, or mentally unstable enough to the point that they should be institutionalized. At least it's better for society than letting them rot on the streets and cause so much chaos.

It's tough to have sympathy for people that literally shit on the sidewalk, leave huge piles of trash wherever they set up camp, leave used needles or meth pipes on buses and in playgrounds/parks. The entitlement from these people is unreal, and they do not care about anyone but themselves. Everything is someone else's fault instead of accepting responsibility for their poor decisions in life. They act like that because they hate regular people.

This mentality that every homeless person is down on their luck and would live a normal life if they could is exactly what's causing the problem to get so out of hand. We can't have people rotting on the streets.
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I found that the poorer the country is, the more hard-working homeless and hobos you get. I see some of them collecting metal cans and actually working hard. Many of those would be gone from the streets when given a simple furnished apartment and some modest handouts.

And you do find that the countries with more welfare do have far less visible homeless. Modest levels of basic welfare is a security-raising procedure that all rich countries can afford for their own people. Most people benefit from no people shitting on the sidewalk or creating tent-cities on sidewalks.

Though looking at the raw numbers (which could be fake) it seems that the US homeless population is just 550.000 (again - which I find hard to believe). The logic says that a lot move somewhere where the weather is good, everyone lets them erect their tent cities anywhere, where there are needles supplied for free and where the local government won't remove you.
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(10-10-2019 10:33 AM)Solitaire Wrote:  Yes, you're absolutely correct, HCE - there's a minority percentage of the homeless that are in a hopefully short-term predicament, having lost their home or apartment for various reasons, and will get themselves back on their feet somehow. When I have some time I'll try digging up some stats for all this (super busy trying to get a brewery up & running with a couple business partners) but what I'm getting at is that the homeless people everyone complains about, the ones pissing on car tires, pooping on doorsteps, shooting up across the street from the daycare centers, they are the ones who will not work, etc, and they are the vast majority, at least for now.

In my town, all the worst ones are drug addicts. Obviously meth. They collect huge piles of improbable items and stack them on the sidewalk next to their tents. No heroin addict would do this.

Their drug is the center of their world and everything else can take a flying leap. Their lifestyle is an active middle finger to the world.

That Seattle video was instructive. The only solution seems to be coordination between homeless advocates, mental health professionals, addiction experts, and cops: Arrest them. Offer them free treatment in lieu of a prison sentence, and offer them social service support as they kick and try to get back into society.

Instead everyone works against each other and it just gets worse, while the addicts exploit the laws and the over crowded prisons and the gullible hippies who give them tents. Not to mention the timid normies who are scared of them and let them get away with murder in the neighborhoods.

Bandaids won't work. Society has to be committed and coordinated and persistent.

“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”

Carl Jung
10-10-2019 11:49 AM
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