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RE: Homelessness in America
(10-10-2019 11:49 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 10:33 AM)Solitaire Wrote:  Yes, you're absolutely correct, HCE - there's a minority percentage of the homeless that are in a hopefully short-term predicament, having lost their home or apartment for various reasons, and will get themselves back on their feet somehow. When I have some time I'll try digging up some stats for all this (super busy trying to get a brewery up & running with a couple business partners) but what I'm getting at is that the homeless people everyone complains about, the ones pissing on car tires, pooping on doorsteps, shooting up across the street from the daycare centers, they are the ones who will not work, etc, and they are the vast majority, at least for now.

In my town, all the worst ones are drug addicts. Obviously meth. They collect huge piles of improbable items and stack them on the sidewalk next to their tents. No heroin addict would do this.

Their drug is the center of their world and everything else can take a flying leap. Their lifestyle is an active middle finger to the world.

That Seattle video was instructive. The only solution seems to be coordination between homeless advocates, mental health professionals, addiction experts, and cops: Arrest them. Offer them free treatment in lieu of a prison sentence, and offer them social service support as they kick and try to get back into society.

Instead everyone works against each other and it just gets worse, while the addicts exploit the laws and the over crowded prisons and the gullible hippies who give them tents. Not to mention the timid normies who are scared of them and let them get away with murder in the neighborhoods.

Bandaids won't work. Society has to be committed and coordinated and persistent.

It's good to hear that our law and order ideas align for once - heh:

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RE: Homelessness in America
The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

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Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
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The numbers sound way too low though, i'm sure there are millions of homeless people with serious mental health problems that are being produced in our modren day clown world.

We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!
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(10-10-2019 12:18 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

Effects
Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
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We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!

I wonder which is cheaper, mental hospitals, or all the myriad services needed by the mentally ill on the street?

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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(10-10-2019 12:24 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I wonder which is cheaper, mental hospitals, or all the myriad services needed by the mentally ill on the street?

That's a whole 'nother story, but part of the problem also. They cite "cutting govt costs" as a reason for de-institutionalization originally, but i'm sure WAY more money is wasted today on faith-based religious scam artists and roach motels posing as treatment centers. The amount of non-profit orgs catering to the homeless has skyrocketed...right along with the problem of homelessness. For many non-profit orgs It's a very profitable scam to rake in as much taxpayer money as they can while enabling more waste, fraud and abuse, all in the name of helping the homeless.

Not many people are aware of the Homeless Coalitions that criss-cross the country like a lattice. Practically every city has a Homeless Coalition that works with the federal govt Homeless Coalition, with the mission to END Homelessness. In fact these people get payed insane salaries and never even have to work directly with homeless people. The homeless coalitions get paid insane amounts of money to manage enormous databases chronicling every detail of these homeless people's lives, and track them like cattle. And the amount they charge the govt to administer a simple database is nothing less than a disgusting robbery of money from the taxpayers, while doing nothing at all about the real problem. Just look up "homeless coalition", or "continuum of care" aka "CoC" with a city name, and see for yourself where all your tax dollars are going to combat homelessness. It's Into some do-nothing social worker LGBTQPSJW's daily top shelf catered lunch meeting, their dogs and their Prius. You would almost think they wouldn't really want to end the problem and thereby put themselves out of a job...
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RE: Homelessness in America
Damien, yeah that's exactly what I was eluding to in my first response in this thread. There's way too much money being spent going to everyone except those who need it. I'd much rather see the chronically, intractably mentally ill institutionalized again, much as they resist it. This would be a much more humane existence. And, by the way, many of this subsection of the homeless population are the ones living under bridges and out in the bushes, not bothering people day-to-day, unlike the assholes that park themselves at intersections begging for money so they can get their crack/meth/etc.
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(10-10-2019 12:24 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 12:18 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

Effects
Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
--------------------------------------------------------

We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!

I wonder which is cheaper, mental hospitals, or all the myriad services needed by the mentally ill on the street?

Mental hospitals. Homeless come sometimes with massive destruction of real-estate prices and businesses - plus many still take welfare anyway. Though it would have to return to the 1950s state-run cheap model and not to some prison-for-profit system.
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Tents are all over Austin, Texas, now. They are under just about every elevated roadway in town. You can see them everywhere. They have always been somewhat aggressive here in Austin.

I have heard that in Dallas and Houston they buy them bus tickets to Austin.

It is truly embarrassing to live here now.

I don't know how it's going to effect property values. I thin when people come for all the events here like South by Southwest, they are going to see this and veto the idea of moving here.

I visited Iquitos in Perú two years ago. I saw poverty all over the place. I didn't see people in tents on the street though. I think it's because those people value family a lot more.
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NYC is shipping the homeless to other states:

Quote:New York City is spreading its homeless crisis across the nation by quietly sending homeless people to other cities in the U.S., all without giving the receiving cities a heads up.
The city has deployed local homeless families to 373 cities across the U.S.— from Honolulu to Louisiana— with a year’s worth of rent as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program,” without alerting local officials in those cities, the New York Post reported.

The Post reported that city taxpayers spent $89 million on rent to ship 5,074 homeless families—or 12,482 individuals— out of the city since the program started in August 2017.

The families, initially housed in the city’s shelters, were sent to 32 states and far-flung locales such as Puerto Rico.

The city also doled out money for travel expenses through another city taxpayer-funded program called Project Reconnect, but there was no word on how much the city spent on this program.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ng-cities/

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I think every state should send their homeless to California, Seattle and Portland. California should annex Seattle and Portland too. Make Washington and Oregon great again.
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(10-28-2019 11:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  NYC is shipping the homeless to other states:

Who else wants some free tickets to visit Kona in Hawaii?
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Grew up in the Bay Area and have lived in Los Angeles and San Diego. All three metropolitan areas have a massive homelessness crisis and there are a bunch of reasons for that.

The first reason is drug addiction. Drugs cause people to lose everything. And they don’t stop being addicted when they’re on the street. The main drugs that cause this self-destruction are opioids and crack cocaine; crack is whack but opioids, as we all know, are at an all-time high right now.

The second reason is the cost of living here. California, at least in the cities, is a feudal State. There are lords and serfs. If you don’t program the gay apps and make your chump change 100k to barely get by renting a roach motel studio in a hundred year old building, you are getting the boot and it’s into the gutter you go. A lot of people have been displaced by the massive real estate boom in California over the last twenty years. It has kaleidoscoped in the last five thanks to AirBnB. More people than ever can not afford simply to live even with decent jobs and many have nowhere to go but the street. That was almost me a few months ago.

The third reason is the weather. You won’t die if you’re homeless in San Francisco or LA, at least not from freezing to death. And the rest of the country’s homeless get put on busses here all the time. One way ticket to California. Go be someone else’s problem. California is known to be pretty tolerant - IE people here are too pussy to put those assholes back on the bus and send them home. So this has become the Mecca of street shitting bums who will shake their change cup at you with one hand while masturbating with the other. Convenient!

The fourth reason is there are no mental health facilities for mentally sick people to go and the very few shelters that exist have long waiting lists. You also must be clean and sober to stay at those places and most of these people simply do not want to be clean and sober so they choose not to make that option available to themselves. Don’t get me wrong - there ARE mental health hospitals but they cost 4K a month unless you are court-ordered there because you’re criminally insane. They used to be publicly funded and still should be. Feeling like you might take a dump on someone’s nice clean beautiful front lawn? Go check yourself in, get help, you may be experiencing depression. But this is America, where everything costs twenty times what it’s worth and there is no free lunch, even if it means mentally ill human beings who cannot care for themselves literally defecating in the street. The Land of the Free is really the Land of the Bottom Falling Out.

Pessimistic. Yes. Also real. When enough homeless men have approached you while clutching their genitals for all the world to see, you begin to realize tolerance is not necessarily a one-size fits all approach, and no, not everything that may be paid for with tax dollars is communism.

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I had to laugh at NYC sending their homeless to Costa Rica. Did that homeless want to be sent there? Was he from Costa Rica? Or is any warmer place good enough for NYC? But it's an interesting approach. I wonder how the Orwellian state will deal with things later in the game? Will it be containment centers and out of sight?
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(10-29-2019 12:50 AM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  I think every state should send their homeless to California, Seattle and Portland.

Like Buddy says, they have been doing this for years.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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All wrong.

Roll up window and lock door when he is still thirty feet away, or you will be sorry.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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Personally I go for "Straws sticking out of my nose" before they see me.

Most of them that have seen that just look in my direction, give a "WTF?" reaction and quickly move past.


edit: I'm a troll sometimes. Sue me. Y'all can talk when you've got your shit in order.
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I'd rather see the return of vagrancy laws and the shaming of the foolishness that leads men to a situation where they are vagrants. This is all tied up with a massive entitlement state where 50 million people are allowed and encouraged to live in a completely undignified fashion by the usual suspects: "nice" people and progressives.
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I've seen more homeless people asking for change here in Buffalo, NY. It's not as bad as San Francisco, but I've seen it increase over the last few years.
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(10-28-2019 11:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  NYC is shipping the homeless to other states:

Quote:New York City is spreading its homeless crisis across the nation by quietly sending homeless people to other cities in the U.S., all without giving the receiving cities a heads up.
The city has deployed local homeless families to 373 cities across the U.S.— from Honolulu to Louisiana— with a year’s worth of rent as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program,” without alerting local officials in those cities, the New York Post reported.

The Post reported that city taxpayers spent $89 million on rent to ship 5,074 homeless families—or 12,482 individuals— out of the city since the program started in August 2017.

The families, initially housed in the city’s shelters, were sent to 32 states and far-flung locales such as Puerto Rico.

The city also doled out money for travel expenses through another city taxpayer-funded program called Project Reconnect, but there was no word on how much the city spent on this program.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ng-cities/

Typical. Create problem and force said problem on everyone else but themselves. Acting like cancer.

Live in gated orderly communities with rich people like them but destroying everything else.
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(10-31-2019 07:34 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 11:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  NYC is shipping the homeless to other states:

Quote:New York City is spreading its homeless crisis across the nation by quietly sending homeless people to other cities in the U.S., all without giving the receiving cities a heads up.
The city has deployed local homeless families to 373 cities across the U.S.— from Honolulu to Louisiana— with a year’s worth of rent as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program,” without alerting local officials in those cities, the New York Post reported.

The Post reported that city taxpayers spent $89 million on rent to ship 5,074 homeless families—or 12,482 individuals— out of the city since the program started in August 2017.

The families, initially housed in the city’s shelters, were sent to 32 states and far-flung locales such as Puerto Rico.

The city also doled out money for travel expenses through another city taxpayer-funded program called Project Reconnect, but there was no word on how much the city spent on this program.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ng-cities/

Typical. Create problem and force said problem on everyone else but themselves. Acting like cancer.

Live in gated orderly communities with rich people like them but destroying everything else.

To be fair - most homeless in Manhatten didn't become homeless there - they likely moved there due to easy access to begging opportunities.
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(10-10-2019 12:18 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

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Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
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The numbers sound way too low though, i'm sure there are millions of homeless people with serious mental health problems that are being produced in our modren day clown world.

We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!

I believe this is part of the cause also. Its sad to see, these old mental hospitals also usually were impressive buildings set on huge nicely landscaped grounds.

My cousin who worked at one said the grounds were huge so they had long sight lines to see if anyone escaped.

Most have been torn down and turned into parks. People thought they were 'barbaric' but I think the new alternative of leaving these people on the streets to be preyed on by criminals is worse.

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(10-31-2019 09:27 AM)TheBowery Wrote:  Good summary and writer here: https://www.city-journal.org/san-francis...ess-crisis

Wow - what a write-up. I haven't been to San Fran so I wasn't aware of the extent of the problem. Seems to me like the local government is basically encouraging homelessness. When you give them everything they need, ignore foul behavior, and actively encourage drug use, why would they bother trying to rise up out of their situation?

I do wonder why the tech companies haven't simply moved at this point. There are cheaper places in Cali with much less degeneracy, not to mention cheaper housing. Why do they cling so hard to San Fran?
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I wonder where these people will go. The collapse of post-1945 prosperity continues.

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"Some of California’s most vulnerable nursing home residents, many of whom have nowhere else to go, are receiving letters from their health care plans saying they are no longer eligible for long-term care.

In one notable example, three dozen nursing home residents in San Luis Obispo County were informed on the same day that their Medi-Cal managed care plan was cutting off payment for nursing home care, said Karen Jones, the county’s long-term care ombudsman."

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https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/11/...homes.html

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(10-28-2019 11:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  NYC is shipping the homeless to other states:

Quote:New York City is spreading its homeless crisis across the nation by quietly sending homeless people to other cities in the U.S., all without giving the receiving cities a heads up.
The city has deployed local homeless families to 373 cities across the U.S.— from Honolulu to Louisiana— with a year’s worth of rent as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program,” without alerting local officials in those cities, the New York Post reported.

The Post reported that city taxpayers spent $89 million on rent to ship 5,074 homeless families—or 12,482 individuals— out of the city since the program started in August 2017.

The families, initially housed in the city’s shelters, were sent to 32 states and far-flung locales such as Puerto Rico.

The city also doled out money for travel expenses through another city taxpayer-funded program called Project Reconnect, but there was no word on how much the city spent on this program.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ng-cities/

True Leftist Marxist compassion! True NIMBY'ism at its finest. We do not want these people, now you deal with them. Talk about a truly wicked bunch of politicos that run New York.

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