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RE: Homelessness in America
(10-10-2019 11:49 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 10:33 AM)Solitaire Wrote:  Yes, you're absolutely correct, HCE - there's a minority percentage of the homeless that are in a hopefully short-term predicament, having lost their home or apartment for various reasons, and will get themselves back on their feet somehow. When I have some time I'll try digging up some stats for all this (super busy trying to get a brewery up & running with a couple business partners) but what I'm getting at is that the homeless people everyone complains about, the ones pissing on car tires, pooping on doorsteps, shooting up across the street from the daycare centers, they are the ones who will not work, etc, and they are the vast majority, at least for now.

In my town, all the worst ones are drug addicts. Obviously meth. They collect huge piles of improbable items and stack them on the sidewalk next to their tents. No heroin addict would do this.

Their drug is the center of their world and everything else can take a flying leap. Their lifestyle is an active middle finger to the world.

That Seattle video was instructive. The only solution seems to be coordination between homeless advocates, mental health professionals, addiction experts, and cops: Arrest them. Offer them free treatment in lieu of a prison sentence, and offer them social service support as they kick and try to get back into society.

Instead everyone works against each other and it just gets worse, while the addicts exploit the laws and the over crowded prisons and the gullible hippies who give them tents. Not to mention the timid normies who are scared of them and let them get away with murder in the neighborhoods.

Bandaids won't work. Society has to be committed and coordinated and persistent.

It's good to hear that our law and order ideas align for once - heh:

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10-10-2019 12:10 PM
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RE: Homelessness in America
The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

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Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
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The numbers sound way too low though, i'm sure there are millions of homeless people with serious mental health problems that are being produced in our modren day clown world.

We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!
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10-10-2019 12:18 PM
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RE: Homelessness in America
(10-10-2019 12:18 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

Effects
Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
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We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!

I wonder which is cheaper, mental hospitals, or all the myriad services needed by the mentally ill on the street?

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10-10-2019 12:24 PM
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(10-10-2019 12:24 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I wonder which is cheaper, mental hospitals, or all the myriad services needed by the mentally ill on the street?

That's a whole 'nother story, but part of the problem also. They cite "cutting govt costs" as a reason for de-institutionalization originally, but i'm sure WAY more money is wasted today on faith-based religious scam artists and roach motels posing as treatment centers. The amount of non-profit orgs catering to the homeless has skyrocketed...right along with the problem of homelessness. For many non-profit orgs It's a very profitable scam to rake in as much taxpayer money as they can while enabling more waste, fraud and abuse, all in the name of helping the homeless.

Not many people are aware of the Homeless Coalitions that criss-cross the country like a lattice. Practically every city has a Homeless Coalition that works with the federal govt Homeless Coalition, with the mission to END Homelessness. In fact these people get payed insane salaries and never even have to work directly with homeless people. The homeless coalitions get paid insane amounts of money to manage enormous databases chronicling every detail of these homeless people's lives, and track them like cattle. And the amount they charge the govt to administer a simple database is nothing less than a disgusting robbery of money from the taxpayers, while doing nothing at all about the real problem. Just look up "homeless coalition", or "continuum of care" aka "CoC" with a city name, and see for yourself where all your tax dollars are going to combat homelessness. It's Into some do-nothing social worker LGBTQPSJW's daily top shelf catered lunch meeting, their dogs and their Prius. You would almost think they wouldn't really want to end the problem and thereby put themselves out of a job...
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10-10-2019 12:30 PM
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RE: Homelessness in America
Damien, yeah that's exactly what I was eluding to in my first response in this thread. There's way too much money being spent going to everyone except those who need it. I'd much rather see the chronically, intractably mentally ill institutionalized again, much as they resist it. This would be a much more humane existence. And, by the way, many of this subsection of the homeless population are the ones living under bridges and out in the bushes, not bothering people day-to-day, unlike the assholes that park themselves at intersections begging for money so they can get their crack/meth/etc.
10-10-2019 12:52 PM
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(10-10-2019 12:24 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 12:18 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  The homeless problem is directly tied to the liberal push to let everyone be free, aka De-institutionalization.

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitution...on-3306067

Deinstitutionalization is a government policy that moved mental health patients out of state-run "insane asylums" into federally funded community mental health centers. It began in the 1960s as a way to improve treatment of the mentally ill while also cutting government budgets.

In 1955, the number peaked at 558,000 patients or 0.03 percent of the population. If the same percentage of the population were institutionalized today, that would be 750,000 mentally ill people. That's more than the population of Baltimore or San Francisco.

Effects
Between 1955 and 1994, roughly 487,000 mentally ill patients were discharged from state hospitals. That lowered the number to only 72,000 patients. States closed most of their hospitals. That permanently reduced the availability of long-term, in-patient care facilities. By 2010, there were 43,000 psychiatric beds available. This equated to about 14 beds per 100,000 people. According to the Treatment Advocacy’s Center’s report, “Deinstitutionalization: A Failed History,” this was the same ratio as in 1850.

As a result, 2.2 million of the severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. About 200,000 of those who suffer from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are homeless. That's one-third of the total homeless population. Ten percent are veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or other war-related injuries.

More than 300,000 are in jails and prisons. Sixteen percent of all inmates are severely mentally ill. There were about 100,000 psychiatric beds in both public and private hospitals. There are more than three times as many seriously mentally ill people in jails and prisons than in hospitals.
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We need to bring back asylums. Or as Trump would say, MAGA- Make Asylums Great Again!

I wonder which is cheaper, mental hospitals, or all the myriad services needed by the mentally ill on the street?

Mental hospitals. Homeless come sometimes with massive destruction of real-estate prices and businesses - plus many still take welfare anyway. Though it would have to return to the 1950s state-run cheap model and not to some prison-for-profit system.
10-10-2019 01:23 PM
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RE: Homelessness in America
Tents are all over Austin, Texas, now. They are under just about every elevated roadway in town. You can see them everywhere. They have always been somewhat aggressive here in Austin.

I have heard that in Dallas and Houston they buy them bus tickets to Austin.

It is truly embarrassing to live here now.

I don't know how it's going to effect property values. I thin when people come for all the events here like South by Southwest, they are going to see this and veto the idea of moving here.

I visited Iquitos in Perú two years ago. I saw poverty all over the place. I didn't see people in tents on the street though. I think it's because those people value family a lot more.
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