I'm Touring The United States! Starting in June, I'm conducting private events in 23 American cities. Click here for full details.

Post Reply 
Is The Joker a psy-op?
Author Message
Sherman Offline
Pelican
****

Posts: 1,714
Joined: Jul 2012
Reputation: 16
Post: #51
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK

Rico... Sauve....
10-06-2019 01:01 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Sherman's post:
Tactician, [email protected], bacon
Elmore Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 334
Joined: Feb 2019
Reputation: 3
Post: #52
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK

What an incredibly nihilistic view. No surprise that Rank was a disciple of Sigmund Freud...
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 01:08 AM by Elmore.)
10-06-2019 01:08 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 8 users Like Elmore's post:
Tactician, spokepoker, Handsome Creepy Eel, Beyond Borders, Benoit, MusicForThePiano, MajorStyles, Sankt Michael
jeffreyjerpp Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 483
Joined: Jul 2016
Reputation: 11
Post: #53
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-05-2019 10:50 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  Everyone that Joker kills deserves it and his anger is understandable. He drops some harsh red pills and you end up sympathizing with him. That's the power of this film.

SPOILER ALERT(S)

It's an incredibly powerful (but dark) movie. Utterly gritty, devastatingly authentic, deliberately paced to a thrilling climax. Very easy to see how it won Cannes. Huge box office, too. I think this movie is going to be a big topic of discussion for a while.

A few major red pills from the movie:

-Arthur Fleck's narcissistic, delusional single mother is probably responsible for his insanity
-Society treats most white men horribly, those who need the most help are relentlessly humiliated
-There is no longer any sense of compassion and genuine civic virtue in public life, which is a brutal and amoral rat race
-The wealthy privileged are pretentious bullies who totally deserve the public's fury

"The Joker" ultimately poses a deeply troubling, and totally valid question: Why shouldn't someone getting destroyed by an evil, toxic society attempt to destroy it right back?

If a guy has no career, no supportive social network, no girlfriend, etc, what incentive does he have for the status quo to continue? What does he have to lose? Why should he feel bad if people who openly hate him, and couldn't give a shit whether he lived or died, get hurt as a result of his actions? What does he really owe them, anyways?

There's no good answer, and that is what makes the movie haunting.

PS- I disavow all forms of violence completely, in case there was any ambiguity in the above movie review.
10-06-2019 01:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 11 users Like jeffreyjerpp's post:
CynicalContrarian, Handsome Creepy Eel, redpillage, Benoit, MusicForThePiano, Jones, Gusamaso, MajorStyles, Brebelle3, cato, Sankt Michael
Captainstabbin Offline
Hummingbird
*****

Posts: 3,255
Joined: Apr 2015
Reputation: 23
Post: #54
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

That's one of the reasons the Joker has always been called "hyper-sane" instead of just crazy.

Except, when Manchester Black temporarily controlled his mind and negated his mental problems, the Joker was normal. Suggesting that, rather than a nihilistic hyper-sane person, we was simply crazy.
10-06-2019 01:52 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Captainstabbin's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel
Leonard D Neubache Offline
Owl
******
Gold Member

Posts: 11,678
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 209
Post: #55
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK

Sounds like something a teenager would say in order to lionize their dysfunctional nature.

My observations are completely the opposite. Most people suffering from mental disorders are locked in a desperate struggle to flee reality due to some kind of biological or psychological defect.

There are lots of people who stare cold, hard reality in the eyes and don't fall into neurosis. It used to be the defining characteristic that separated men and women.

(10-06-2019 01:45 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  ...
A few major red pills from the movie:

-Arthur Fleck's narcissistic, delusional single mother is probably responsible for his insanity
-Society treats most white men horribly, those who need the most help are relentlessly humiliated
-There is no longer any sense of compassion and genuine civic virtue in public life, which is a brutal and amoral rat race
-The wealthy privileged are pretentious bullies who totally deserve the public's fury

"The Joker" ultimately poses a deeply troubling, and totally valid question: Why shouldn't someone getting destroyed by an evil, toxic society attempt to destroy it right back?

If a guy has no career, no supportive social network, no girlfriend, etc, what incentive does he have for the status quo to continue? What does he have to lose? Why should he feel bad if people who openly hate him, and couldn't give a shit whether he lived or died, get hurt as a result of his actions? What does he really owe them, anyways?

There's no good answer, and that is what makes the movie haunting.
...

Hollywood has relentlessly programmed American whites to act like Jews minus the ethnocentrism and now that society is falling apart they want to finish the job by convincing American whites to lash out at each other for acting like Jews.

American whites ought to double down on the ethnocentrism and return to acting like Europeans, albeit with some hard earned xenophobia heaped on top. This is not likely to happen soon, however. Jews have done quite a number on their heads, convincing them that soul-less hyper-capitalism is superior to European civility, and they've further dosed American whites with such overweening pride that they will never admit their ways are wrong even as their nation slides into decrepitude.

The devil's children are very good at what they do.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 02:25 AM by Leonard D Neubache.)
10-06-2019 02:11 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 10 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
Elmore, Handsome Creepy Eel, Kingsley Davis, Syberpunk, MusicForThePiano, Jones, Gusamaso, Geomann180, MajorStyles, Sankt Michael
Sherman Offline
Pelican
****

Posts: 1,714
Joined: Jul 2012
Reputation: 16
Post: #56
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 02:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK

Sounds like something a teenager would say in order to lionize their dysfunctional nature.

My observations are completely the opposite. Most people suffering from mental disorders are locked in a desperate struggle to flee reality due to some kind of biological or psychological defect.

There are lots of people who stare cold, hard reality in the eyes and don't fall into neurosis. It used to be the defining characteristic that separated men and women.


I don't think it is that simple.

The defect of the neurotic is that they can't handle the reality they have been thrown, and come up with solutions that society doesn't approve of.

Our attention selects a small amount of what we actually hear, see, and feel. If we could pay attention to the full reality of what our senses are bringing in, we would go crazy. So our attention selects out only the details that are salient and ignores the rest. Likewise, we focus narrowly on as much reality as we can handle. If we didn't, we would go crazy with terror. The essence of normality is the refusal of reality.

Even a soldier in battle isn't staring cold, hard reality in the eyes. That is what is provided by the uniforms, indoctrination, group identification, and other psychological devices which have been developed over thousands of years by armies to narrow attention. The bravest Russian soldier would flee in panic when accused by Stalin.

Rico... Sauve....
10-06-2019 02:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Sherman's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, Beyond Borders, VNvet
worldwidetraveler Offline
Hummingbird
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 3,616
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 35
Post: #57
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 02:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  There are lots of people who stare cold, hard reality in the eyes and don't fall into neurosis. It used to be the defining characteristic that separated men and women.

What is reality? What you think of as reality is different to what I think and so on. Trump's election should have shown you that. Seemingly normal people looked as if they were broken when Trump won. They still haven't recovered because their reality was shattered. The rest of us, under a different reality, see people acting all sorts of crazy and we can't figure out why.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 02:53 AM by worldwidetraveler.)
10-06-2019 02:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Leonard D Neubache Offline
Owl
******
Gold Member

Posts: 11,678
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 209
Post: #58
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
A dog is a dog and a cat is a cat.

People who cannot present significant evidence to the contrary yet still insist on calling a dog a cat are by definition mentally unwell. This is not "your reality" and "my reality". Reality is precisely what it is and while everyone has their own perspective, calling the perspective of insane people "their reality" not only validates their delusions but diminishes the value of an objective, evidence-based pursuit of truth.

"Your reality" and "my reality" is exactly what's gotten us to 37 genders.

We are all deluded on a sliding scale from black to white but there are clearly some people who exist at the far end of the spectrum that we do not have to waste a single second compromising with and the basic standard for that duality is when that person has abandoned any evidence-based approach to formulating their world view.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 04:05 AM by Leonard D Neubache.)
10-06-2019 04:02 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 8 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, bucky, Richard Turpin, MusicForThePiano, VNvet, Gusamaso, Geomann180, MajorStyles
CynicalContrarian Offline
Peacock
******
Gold Member

Posts: 7,512
Joined: Aug 2015
Reputation: 22
Post: #59
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK


Well for one thing. In the comics the Joker is at times thought of as - "Super Sane".
As opposed to insane.

Utterly, utterly nihilistic & hyper objective to the point where petty human sentiments are absolutely dismissed as meaningless.
Even murder is meaningless in that mindset.

Add in, the ability to 'see beyond the curtain', 'see the strings being pulled', 'see the man behind the curtain'.
The ability to see at such grand scopes, yet still exist in the hear & now.
Part of the reason why so much is so amusing to the Joker.
It's all so much, just one big joke...

[Image: watchmen2.jpg]
10-06-2019 05:58 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like CynicalContrarian's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, Beyond Borders, VNvet
CynicalContrarian Offline
Peacock
******
Gold Member

Posts: 7,512
Joined: Aug 2015
Reputation: 22
Post: #60
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Just watched a rather dismissive review of the film by a neckbeard type.

Knowing the film depicts far more for an antifa-esque sentiment / subtext than any sort of 'alt-right' sentiment.
While also portraying the protagonist as rather pathetic.

Perhaps that is why the Soycialist crowd are so dismissive of this film?
It actively portrays the envious, social parasite types as pathetic...
10-06-2019 06:35 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like CynicalContrarian's post:
bucky, Bienvenuto, Captainstabbin
bucky Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 519
Joined: Nov 2015
Reputation: 3
Post: #61
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 06:35 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Just watched a rather dismissive review of the film by a neckbeard type.

Knowing the film depicts far more for an antifa-esque sentiment / subtext than any sort of 'alt-right' sentiment.
While also portraying the protagonist as rather pathetic.

Perhaps that is why the Soycialist crowd are so dismissive of this film?
It actively portrays the envious, social parasite types as pathetic...

I didn't want to see it at first because it looked depressing and because I've never liked the idea of the Joker having a known origin. Eeven now I'm hoping that if they have Phoenix play the Joker in the next Batman movie they'll reveal that this movie was just one of his made-up origins that he's probably lying about. That said, now that I'm seeing who is raving about this movie and who is dismissing it, I definitely do want to see it.

Feminism in ten words: "Stop objectifying women! Can't you see I've hit the wall?" -Leonard D Neubache
10-06-2019 09:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes bucky's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel
ThriceLazarus Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 184
Joined: Dec 2018
Reputation: 7
Post: #62
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
How is a dog a cat? A zen koan.

A dog is a cat and a cat is a dog because without the dog the cat would be the dog, and without the cat the dog would be the cat. This grasps with fingertips at the interconnected nature of any system. That is to say if the niche which the feline creature adapted to fill was not filled by the feline it would have been taken up by the canine. Likewise, if the niche which the canine adapted to fill was not filled by the canine it would be filled by the feline. We - referring to all things - create one another through constraint and contraction.

With this understanding, the very same reached by Bodhidharma, by Siddhartha, by Lao Tzu, by Abarham, by Yeshua, it points to the mystical oneness of all things. That everything is aflame with the same fire that lights the stars.

To shift gears. To play devil’s advocate (perhaps quite literally):

There are an infinite number of genders because gender is a social construct. It is the emanation of biological sex. And there are more than two biological sexes - though the others be exceedingly rare. So much so that we refer to them as chromosomal disorder. The folly of man, to constrain the infinite nature of GOD - to demand that reality confine itself to the duality. While these instances represent a single percent of the population all told, that implies that there 70,000,000 individuals worldwide. The social construction evolves and changes.

Take South East Asian culture, these populations present a higher percentage of what can be referred to as ‘queer’ individuals - so much so that their cultures developed with up to five genders millennia before the Post-Modernists began to deconstruct civilization.

To bring it back to reality, well with regards to that one can only scoff. To have some understanding of the nuts and bolts, to know what was referred to above, that what we can see is the smallest slice of all the Light, it is humbling. Things such as the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser...

The problem then is not of “my reality” or “your reality” or “our reality” or “their reality” - the problem is that any of us presume to have the faintest grasp of The Infinite.

Though it appears that I am contrarian, Ser D’Neubache is absolutely correct: if one’s reality is True, that is to say it is a correct interpretation of GOD, then the position must be defensible. Honestly, what plagues Western society may be the fact that we are on the precipice of Eternity and that yawning Void is too much for Man.

The Kabbalists (of which Yeshua was one!) refer to it as TEHOM - the abyss stretched out between Da’ath and Ka’Ha’B. Which is to say the gap between Knowledge and Will-and-Wisdom-and-Understanding.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 09:59 AM by ThriceLazarus.)
10-06-2019 09:50 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Bienvenuto Online
Pelican
****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,072
Joined: Mar 2017
Reputation: 24
Post: #63
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 09:27 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 06:35 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Just watched a rather dismissive review of the film by a neckbeard type.

Knowing the film depicts far more for an antifa-esque sentiment / subtext than any sort of 'alt-right' sentiment.
While also portraying the protagonist as rather pathetic.

Perhaps that is why the Soycialist crowd are so dismissive of this film?
It actively portrays the envious, social parasite types as pathetic...

I didn't want to see it at first because it looked depressing and because I've never liked the idea of the Joker having a known origin. Eeven now I'm hoping that if they have Phoenix play the Joker in the next Batman movie they'll reveal that this movie was just one of his made-up origins that he's probably lying about. That said, now that I'm seeing who is raving about this movie and who is dismissing it, I definitely do want to see it.

Contrarian I agree..

Bucky - It has the characters but it doesn't really feel like a Batman movie.. just a one off about one sad man's disintegration.

Speaking of neckbeards and the ideologically offended..





This is one of the top Access Media reviewers in the UK.

Has to emphasis that he hated the director's 'Hangover' movie --
But if you know of him you'll know that he loved the unfunny female remake, 'Bridesmaids',
that he raved about the unfunny female Ghostbusters ,
but he dislikes anything too masculine..
then his Avengers reviews are full of "its probably just me, its because I dont understand the universe enough" he couldnt actually say that they were bad as he was scared of upsetting the big studios.

Just another fat soft SJW liberal in the Access media sitting on high, sneering at directors like Todd Phillips..
Phillips slammed the effect of Woke Media on comedy? "Oh for Heavens Sake! Really? VERY Unendearing.."
And his judgement on the Joker? "I liked it but.. >Thinking About It Afterwards<-- I Became More Uneasy" ...
...
.... surprise-surprise, he sits back on the fence..

cant admit that Phillips made a better film than Nolan.

The movie? According to him it was nasty and cynical BUT... that was 'kind of the point"(?)
^What? Why.. ?
A:Because: association with "Todd Phillips" and "Hangover"..

Thats a stellar critique right there.
When all the other moviegoers think its brilliant?

the media brahmin caste unable to give compliments outside of the established tram-lines.

EDIT: does mention Scorsese's "King of Comedy" as an inspiration for Joker, film I'd never heard of or seen before : so at least there's something to get from all this MSM bloviating.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 10:38 AM by Bienvenuto.)
10-06-2019 10:26 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Bienvenuto's post:
bucky, Benoit
redpillage Offline
Ostrich
****
Gold Member

Posts: 2,310
Joined: Nov 2014
Reputation: 48
Post: #64
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
This thread gave me an idea for a good meme:

   

I don't think it needs explaining ;-)

*******************************************************************
"The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day."
– Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
10-06-2019 10:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes redpillage's post:
MajorStyles
Kungfu Offline
Sparrow

Posts: 96
Joined: May 2019
Reputation: 1
Post: #65
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Ok, we get it. 'Mistreated loner outcast' turns back on society and wants revenge. This theme is in every coming-of-age, teen, or super hero movie for the last 20 plus years.

Phoenix was solid, but give us something new. Joker was boring derivative work.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 11:26 AM by Kungfu.)
10-06-2019 11:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Kungfu's post:
Syberpunk
Kungfu Offline
Sparrow

Posts: 96
Joined: May 2019
Reputation: 1
Post: #66
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-04-2019 07:56 AM)sanbruno Wrote:  I’m sorry but shit like this just makes this forum look stupid. Some of you seem to look for conspiracies in everything the same way SJWs look for “racism” in everything to protect their simplistic and emotionally based worldview.

[Image: uMMPPew7oIIaCzpkGY4CTt3Mkj_4tU3p0RxzeoEQ...d94b159dc0]
10-06-2019 11:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Kungfu's post:
Kurgan
Sherman Offline
Pelican
****

Posts: 1,714
Joined: Jul 2012
Reputation: 16
Post: #67
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 05:58 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK


Well for one thing. In the comics the Joker is at times thought of as - "Super Sane".
As opposed to insane.

Utterly, utterly nihilistic & hyper objective to the point where petty human sentiments are absolutely dismissed as meaningless.
Even murder is meaningless in that mindset.

Add in, the ability to 'see beyond the curtain', 'see the strings being pulled', 'see the man behind the curtain'.
The ability to see at such grand scopes, yet still exist in the hear & now.
Part of the reason why so much is so amusing to the Joker.
It's all so much, just one big joke...

I'm not familiar with the comic, but his "super sanity" concept seems to be compatible with the Rank quote. Someone who is super sane, is taking in more reality than the normal person because he has less illusions to keep him normal. This could make him insane if he can't handle it. Consider someone who washes his hands 1000 times a day. This is considered an obsessive-compulsive disorder. The hand washing gives a person the illusion of power and control, so it is actually performing an important function by reducing anxiety. Now, consider someone who posts on forums 1000 times a day. This is another method for giving someone the illusion of power and control. Why is one considered normal and the other abnormal? They are both analogous functions. The division between sane and insane is not as clear as we think.

Rico... Sauve....
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 01:02 PM by Sherman.)
10-06-2019 12:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Sherman's post:
bacon
worldwidetraveler Offline
Hummingbird
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 3,616
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 35
Post: #68
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 04:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  A dog is a dog and a cat is a cat.

People who cannot present significant evidence to the contrary yet still insist on calling a dog a cat are by definition mentally unwell. This is not "your reality" and "my reality". Reality is precisely what it is and while everyone has their own perspective, calling the perspective of insane people "their reality" not only validates their delusions but diminishes the value of an objective, evidence-based pursuit of truth.

"Your reality" and "my reality" is exactly what's gotten us to 37 genders.

We are all deluded on a sliding scale from black to white but there are clearly some people who exist at the far end of the spectrum that we do not have to waste a single second compromising with and the basic standard for that duality is when that person has abandoned any evidence-based approach to formulating their world view.

In other words, you tell me what reality is and I am suppose to accept it. You got all the facts and you base your reality on facts? Not even close, even if you believe that.

No, this isn't black and white which is why you didn't directly comment on what I said. Instead, you went with a simpleton point of view. Concrete is hard, indeed.

I am assuming you believe in God based on your posts. Yet there is no evidence of God. Where are the facts? A bible written a long time ago by men? Yet you are sure there is a God and anyone who doesn't believe in God is wrong. What would you tell those that use your statements against your belief in God? They want to see your evidence based truth that God exists... Hey guys a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and that is why God exists.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 02:25 PM by worldwidetraveler.)
10-06-2019 01:57 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like worldwidetraveler's post:
Kurgan, bacon
PharaohRa Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 601
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 6
Post: #69
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 02:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 01:01 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is an interesting quote that suggests that the mentally ill are mentally ill because they are closer to reality, whereas "normal" people have more successful delusions to keep them sane.

"If man is the more normal, healthy and happy, the more he can… successfully… repress, displace, deny, rationalize, dramatize himself and deceive others, then it follows that the suffering of the neurotic comes… from painful truth…. Spiritually the neurotic has been long since where psychoanalysis wants to bring him without being able to, namely at the point of seeing through the deception of the world of sense, the falsity of reality. He suffers, not from all the pathological mechanisms which are psychically necessary for living and wholesome but in the refusal of these mechanisms which is just what robs him of the illusions important for living…. [He] is much nearer to the actual truth psychologically than the others and it is just that from which he suffers. "

—OTTO RANK

Sounds like something a teenager would say in order to lionize their dysfunctional nature.

My observations are completely the opposite. Most people suffering from mental disorders are locked in a desperate struggle to flee reality due to some kind of biological or psychological defect.

There are lots of people who stare cold, hard reality in the eyes and don't fall into neurosis. It used to be the defining characteristic that separated men and women.

(10-06-2019 01:45 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  ...
A few major red pills from the movie:

-Arthur Fleck's narcissistic, delusional single mother is probably responsible for his insanity
-Society treats most white men horribly, those who need the most help are relentlessly humiliated
-There is no longer any sense of compassion and genuine civic virtue in public life, which is a brutal and amoral rat race
-The wealthy privileged are pretentious bullies who totally deserve the public's fury

"The Joker" ultimately poses a deeply troubling, and totally valid question: Why shouldn't someone getting destroyed by an evil, toxic society attempt to destroy it right back?

If a guy has no career, no supportive social network, no girlfriend, etc, what incentive does he have for the status quo to continue? What does he have to lose? Why should he feel bad if people who openly hate him, and couldn't give a shit whether he lived or died, get hurt as a result of his actions? What does he really owe them, anyways?

There's no good answer, and that is what makes the movie haunting.
...

Hollywood has relentlessly programmed American whites to act like Jews minus the ethnocentrism and now that society is falling apart they want to finish the job by convincing American whites to lash out at each other for acting like Jews.

American whites ought to double down on the ethnocentrism and return to acting like Europeans, albeit with some hard earned xenophobia heaped on top. This is not likely to happen soon, however. Jews have done quite a number on their heads, convincing them that soul-less hyper-capitalism is superior to European civility, and they've further dosed American whites with such overweening pride that they will never admit their ways are wrong even as their nation slides into decrepitude.

The devil's children are very good at what they do.

(((They))) rub their hands with glee as (((They))) prey on your misery.

You give the Jews too much credit saying that they will be successful in getting white men to tear each other apart before they bail, but for once, most of your points are spot on.

Btw, American whites will group together, it is just that some restructuring is needed before we get there, and well will as history has indicated. But don't worry, noone will ever forget the Jews and none will forget what will probably happen next, that you can rest assure.
10-06-2019 08:39 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
PharaohRa Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 601
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 6
Post: #70
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Btw, as for my thoughts on the Joker movie, I think this movie is a psyop to funnel white male rage but (((they))) will fail miserably in directing it because people like Andrew Anglin, Nick Fuentes, other alt-right stars, etc. will find a way to outfox (((them))) and funnel the rage into the direction that they want. (((They))) are smart but (((they))) are still NPC midwits in the end.
10-06-2019 08:42 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes PharaohRa's post:
MajorStyles
Leonard D Neubache Offline
Owl
******
Gold Member

Posts: 11,678
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 209
Post: #71
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 01:57 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  A dog is a dog and a cat is a cat.

People who cannot present significant evidence to the contrary yet still insist on calling a dog a cat are by definition mentally unwell. This is not "your reality" and "my reality". Reality is precisely what it is and while everyone has their own perspective, calling the perspective of insane people "their reality" not only validates their delusions but diminishes the value of an objective, evidence-based pursuit of truth.

"Your reality" and "my reality" is exactly what's gotten us to 37 genders.

We are all deluded on a sliding scale from black to white but there are clearly some people who exist at the far end of the spectrum that we do not have to waste a single second compromising with and the basic standard for that duality is when that person has abandoned any evidence-based approach to formulating their world view.

In other words, you tell me what reality is and I am suppose to accept it. You got all the facts and you base your reality on facts? Not even close, even if you believe that.

No, this isn't black and white which is why you didn't directly comment on what I said. Instead, you went with a simpleton point of view. Concrete is hard, indeed.

I am assuming you believe in God based on your posts. Yet there is no evidence of God. Where are the facts? A bible written a long time ago by men? Yet you are sure there is a God and anyone who doesn't believe in God is wrong. What would you tell those that use your statements against your belief in God? They want to see your evidence based truth that God exists... Hey guys a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and that is why God exists.

I've come to accept the existence of God due to personal experiences and the experiences of those close to me. None of this evidence is something I can neatly package and drop in your lap, which is why I specifically said that we all operate on a sliding grey scale of delusion where at the shallow end we may be right and we may be wrong but we still have to go with the evidence.

You can't see germs or touch them in any meaningful sense. You have no proof that what you might see through a microscope are actually germs. But there is a huge amount of testimonial and second hand evidence that germs exist and what it is they do. 1000 years from now if all scientific instrumentation was lost then preservers of knowledge would still claim germs exist and there would be people demanding "show me the evidence".

And the guy who ate bad meat after being warned not to and then got sick would start listening to the guys that claim germs are real.

However some things are black and white. If I hold up a rock and let it go then it will fall to the ground. If you claim it will ascend under it's own mystical force to space then we are at an impasse. If I prove you wrong and claim it's a fluke then we are still at an impasse. If I prove you wrong 1000 times and you claim that I'm somehow just trying to trick you then you are not a subject of reality, you are clearly delusional.

I have personally witnessed this descent into madness among half a dozen people, all of which were drug users, and the concurrent theme of their descent into insanity was that there was a bunch of people who entertained their delusions as "their reality". One thought he could control the weather. Another thought he could talk to dogs. And in each case the people telling them the objective truth were drowned out by hippy dippy morons telling them "you go, girl!"

Now if I want to believe in God then I'm doing so with a sizable portion of the planet and I'm not harming myself or anyone else. I'm not becoming a gibbering ward of the state or a violent, narcissistic psychopath. But if "your reality" is so divergent from the main that you refuse to call a dog a dog rather than a cat then anyone who offers you comfort in those delusions is not helping you to do anything other than descend further into delusion.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 09:29 PM by Leonard D Neubache.)
10-06-2019 09:26 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
NoMoreTO, wwtl, MusicForThePiano, bucky
worldwidetraveler Offline
Hummingbird
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 3,616
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 35
Post: #72
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 09:26 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Now if I want to believe in God then I'm doing so with a sizable portion of the planet and I'm not harming myself or anyone else. I'm not becoming a gibbering ward of the state or a violent, narcissistic psychopath. But if "your reality" is so divergent from the main that you refuse to call a dog a dog rather than a cat then anyone who offers you comfort in those delusions is not helping you to do anything other than descend further into delusion.

I see you contradicting yourself. In fact, it looks like you are agreeing with me.

Who decides what is the main?

The media and Hollywood are pushing what they want most people to think. I think both of us agree on that. If what you say is true, which I also believe is true, then they can simply change the way the majority of people think and our reality will be changed with it. Why else would many of these movies be pushing agendas and losing money. Sooner or later they hope to change the way we think. When that happens, our reality will change.

The rock is another example of a overly simplistic view of reality. We all agree on the small stuff like the rock example. That is nothing in the grande scheme of what makes up our reality.

Your world view or reality must have changed many times since you were a young lad. I can look back at many times where I was sure how things were only to realize I had no clue. Then we continue making the same mistake thinking we know even after we found out we were wrong before. Surely, this time I must be right!

A long time ago the world was flat. Imagine a person trying to tell you the Earth was round back then. A huge divergent from the main.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2019 10:16 PM by worldwidetraveler.)
10-06-2019 09:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
jeffreyjerpp Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 483
Joined: Jul 2016
Reputation: 11
Post: #73
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 02:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  American whites ought to double down on the ethnocentrism and return to acting like Europeans, albeit with some hard earned xenophobia heaped on top. This is not likely to happen soon, however. Jews have done quite a number on their heads, convincing them that soul-less hyper-capitalism is superior to European civility, and they've further dosed American whites with such overweening pride that they will never admit their ways are wrong even as their nation slides into decrepitude.

If anything, "The Joker" is stunning for how threatening it is to (((elites))) in general.

Do you really think powerful Jews put out a movie which basically legitimizes a violent, anti-wall street social revolution instigated by a downtrodden white man?

I strongly doubt it. Also, European whites are completely capable of embracing wanton depravity all on their own, and being unbelievably arrogant and haughty while doing it, no Jews required.

I grew up in an a wealthy, 99%+ Christian, all white town in the midwest during the 1990s. Back when I lived there, the decadence and corruption were mind blowing already.

My experience as a middle schooler was shocking in retrospect. Girls were obsessed with being "hot" by age 12, many experimented sexually before entering 9th grade and showed up to school dressed like prostitutes. Vicious bullying was common. Kids constantly attempted to figure out who was richer than who, and to what extent that made them socially superior. I remember in 4th grade, during church school, one kid asking me if I knew what an Aston Martin was, because his Dad just bought one. The question was delivered with most conceited, shit eating grin you can imagine.

No one, and I mean NO ONE, seemed to have a major problem with any of it. Or if they did, they kept it to themselves, because merely questioning the degeneracy would have meant ostracism.

It's easy to confuse the (((symptoms))) of our social rot, with the primary causes of the rot itself, which really started a long, long time ago. It's just right about now that the chickens are coming home to truly roost.

As "The Joker" points out, the society about to implode on itself probably deserves that exact fate quite a bit.
10-06-2019 10:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 5 users Like jeffreyjerpp's post:
bucky, BlueMark, Syberpunk, bacon, MajorStyles
SomeOneSomeWhere Offline
Pigeon

Posts: 30
Joined: Oct 2019
Reputation: 2
Post: #74
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 10:24 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  If anything, "The Joker" is stunning for how threatening it is to (((elites))) in general.

Average Joe will never see the real elites on the street. They also have drivers doubling as bodyguards etc.

If history tells us anything average Joe is the one who dies and suffers during a social unrest while the elites sit in their bunker in New Zealand or w/e.

They are engineering total social chaos right now and big city dwellers that aren't rich will have the largest exposure.
10-06-2019 11:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 6 users Like SomeOneSomeWhere's post:
Leonard D Neubache, Aurini, BlueMark, Syberpunk, MajorStyles, Handsome Creepy Eel
ArcticTraveler Offline
Pigeon

Posts: 43
Joined: Jan 2019
Reputation: 1
Post: #75
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-06-2019 09:50 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  How is a dog a cat? A zen koan.

A cat is a dog because without the dog the cat would be the dog, and without the cat the dog would be the cat.
This grasps with fingertips at the interconnected nature of any system. That is to say if the niche which the feline creature adapted to fill was not filled by the feline it would have been taken up by the canine. Likewise, if the niche which the canine adapted to fill was not filled by the canine it would be filled by the feline. We - referring to all things - create one another through constraint and contraction....

I disagree.

A cat is a cat and a dog is a dog. A cat is a cat because it is a cat. A dog a dod because it is a dog (not because it is not a cat). Both species exist independent of each other rather than complement and/or exist in opposition to each other. They aren't the same except for very general categorical purposes.

The environment in which we humans improve in this case has two problems with two solutions: it needs mice prevention, it needs something to make hunting easier that also provides early warning against intruders.

If the world existed without cats, then the requirements for mice prevention would go unfilled until replaced buy anything that does a good job preventing mice (it does not have to be a dog which in turn would be bred to hunt mice - good luck with that).

The cats a dogs are clearly not equal to one another and aren't measured the same in this instance. A more proper construction would be that "without a cat, there would be no cats and the environment would still require anything that can prevent mice (which is the nitch)" rather than: "without cats, dogs are cats..."

And yes if it is not a cat then it could be a dog -but does not have to.
By not being a cat is only a clue that it might be a dog.

The equal, or complementary part if you want to call it that, would be the environment which is that it has two requirements that don't change so long as those two requirements exist. It's merely an appearance that cat and dogs complement and/or exist in opposition of one another.

Not everything exists to either complement or be in opposition to one another. Some things, if not most, just exist - independent of one another. Don't try to fit the circle in the square. One of the worst things about our educational system is that they teach this esspecially in politics.
10-06-2019 11:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  Washington state seizes man's guns for posting Joker meme and incel content Roosh 30 2,308 10-10-2019 09:58 AM
Last Post: RoastBeefCurtains4Me

Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication