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Yah, same experience out here in the midwest. Considering schools are even worse now theres no way I'd put my kids there eight hours a day if I had any. For social stuff they can be in sports and clubs. All schools do nowadays is teach you how to be in reality TV. Much of the education is pretty crap at least until you get to high school but it's still hit or miss. I can't imagine private schools out here being much better.
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“A cat is a cat and a dog is a dog. A cat is a cat because it is a cat. A dog a dod because it is a dog (not because it is not a cat).”

That is wisdom there, and you have shown I am no Zen Master!

There is no guarentee that canines would fill the feline niche and what have you. Though rat terriers do a good enough job with mice, lovely little things they are. Now, just because rat terriers can catch mice... Does that make them cats?

In truth, defining anything becomes impossible because the parameters for definition are theoretically infinite. It is general consensus that allows reality to be real - dwell for a moment on this outrageous set of symbols which we are using right now to communicate! Think of everything that has happened to assure that this is how we communicate. So is a word a word? Is it also all the things that went into making the word? Perhaps it is of the Word.

I disagree with you here in:

“Not everything exists to either complement or be in opposition to one another. Some things, if not most, just exist - independent of one another. Don't try to fit the circle in the square.”

Nothing exists independently of anything else. All things are interrelated to all things - the basic mechanisms that allow particles to shift and shuffle and dance demand this. The Unified Field.

And to that last bit I take umbrage! Squaring The Circle is a challenge far greater Men than any here have undertaken!
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(10-06-2019 09:55 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 09:26 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Now if I want to believe in God then I'm doing so with a sizable portion of the planet and I'm not harming myself or anyone else. I'm not becoming a gibbering ward of the state or a violent, narcissistic psychopath. But if "your reality" is so divergent from the main that you refuse to call a dog a dog rather than a cat then anyone who offers you comfort in those delusions is not helping you to do anything other than descend further into delusion.

I see you contradicting yourself. In fact, it looks like you are agreeing with me.

Who decides what is the main?
...

Let's just cut to the chase.

Do you believe a man who thinks he's a woman and wants to cut his penis off is mentally ill or simply undertaking the reasonable expression of his own reality?

(10-06-2019 10:24 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  ...

If anything, "The Joker" is stunning for how threatening it is to (((elites))) in general.

Do you really think powerful Jews put out a movie which basically legitimizes a violent, anti-wall street social revolution instigated by a downtrodden white man?
...

As another member noted, the elites are not the least bit scared of anarchic street violence. They are afraid of organised resistance that could put them in the crosshairs during peacetime.

I'm sorry you had such a horrible childhood. Others did not. I'm sorry you lived in such a shitty neighborhood. Others did not.

This film has obviously achieved its intended effect based on the responses in this thread. Anyone who fetishizes this film should feel free to go riot on the streets, murder their small-time enemies and generally cast loose all moral chains under the childish justification of disaffection with society. I'm sure it will work out swimmingly for them.

It just goes to show once again that godless libertarians will have everything stripped from them, and the only moral defense they can raise in the end is "life isn't fair, fuck the world and everyone in it!".

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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Yes, perhaps we misunderstand each other.

How all things are related is by the environment in which exists and some very basic categories. Just remember that as far as anyone knows it's impossible to have no environment.

How things interact with each other is a different story. Wolves keep the deer populations down which in turn allows the grass grow etc. They interact but aren't related.

Again, these things happen to fit in an, or the same, environment rather then to each other and that is because it works.

If this is leading to "Grand Spirit" or God -or however anyone wants to call him, only Man is capable of of controlling whether or not we should follow him and absolutely know the consequences. We improve and take care of our environment (which is not exclusive to flora and fauna) not because we share the same magic energy as a tree, or a rock, or a dog but because that is our duty as men and in fact is God's commandment since he made us masters of them.

I'll agree that what make us similar to non-human is that are made of atoms and we were made by the same Being. One thing that makes humans different is we have souls (which is different then material in which we are made that we share with all other organic/inorganic creatures and things). Sure, being "connected" could be God's residual energy which is not God himself but why focus on something like that, it seems like a moot point and after all those things are here to serve us and will "break" if we don't take care of them.

I'll have to pleasantly disagree that animals and plants have souls sould anyone ask, they might have some kind of spirit that gives them energy to keep going without thought, but the reason why they lack souls is because they can only act the way they are, lack cognitive thought, and lack moral decision making. If they have a soul, they can't act as if they have one in other words. Your dog can't betray you if you trained it defend your household.

Now when it come to men and women if that is what this is all about, it's similar described in my last few posts but there are differences. And that is because men are attracted to women and women are attracted to men but it revolves around the exact same environment where they complement that exact environment while also complementing each other - at least in the way it works best. Now, not so much.

Anyway good stuff.
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Back to the movie for a bit:

Does anything about this character make you think he could outsmart Batman? Because, that's the Joker. He's mastered chemistry, genetics, robotics, psychology, computer programming, military tactics, etc. He's a guy who has to rely on his intelligence to outmaneuver Batman - he wouldn't stand a chance in a fight. Even Nolan's "realistic" take on the Joker showed him able to outsmart Batman until the final scene.

This Joker comes off as a dim-witted nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him.
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(10-07-2019 12:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Let's just cut to the chase.

Do you believe a man who thinks he's a woman and wants to cut his penis off is mentally ill or simply undertaking the reasonable expression of his own reality?

Oh, you want me to answer your questions while you continue to evade mine?

I'll just bow out and avoid conversations with you from this point on.
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(10-07-2019 01:21 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Back to the movie for a bit:

Does anything about this character make you think he could outsmart Batman? Because, that's the Joker. He's mastered chemistry, genetics, robotics, psychology, computer programming, military tactics, etc. He's a guy who has to rely on his intelligence to outmaneuver Batman - he wouldn't stand a chance in a fight. Even Nolan's "realistic" take on the Joker showed him able to outsmart Batman until the final scene.

This Joker comes off as a dim-witted nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him.

The film doesn't really fit with the Batman universe..

Phoenix's character isn't really the Joker from the comics I would say.

Its just a Taxi Driver/ Dog Day afternoon remake.

The Greek heroes were literally half divine and half human.. America had none of its own folklore heroes in that vein/in the modern age until comic book Superheroes came along who are themselves pretty much Half-Divine, their Villain opponents also..

you are right, Phoenix's Joker is a mentally ill nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him at all. He doesn't accord to the comic book lore.

But the acting is a mile better than the 'cartoony' acting of the Dark Knight.

The cultural set try and pretend that they are above religion and superstition but..
Hollywoods veneration of Comic Book Films (that are often pretty shit and ten times worse than the graphic novels that spawned them) is part material self-interest and part some sort of religious stupefaction.
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(10-07-2019 01:21 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Back to the movie for a bit:

Does anything about this character make you think he could outsmart Batman? Because, that's the Joker. He's mastered chemistry, genetics, robotics, psychology, computer programming, military tactics, etc. He's a guy who has to rely on his intelligence to outmaneuver Batman - he wouldn't stand a chance in a fight. Even Nolan's "realistic" take on the Joker showed him able to outsmart Batman until the final scene.

This Joker comes off as a dim-witted nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him.


All depends on whether they ever feature J.Phoenix in another DC movie I suppose.

Yet the Phoenix iteration could be just as 'terrifying' as any other. A joker who causes mass chaos by accident / circumstance as opposed to on purpose...
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(10-07-2019 02:39 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 01:21 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Back to the movie for a bit:

Does anything about this character make you think he could outsmart Batman? Because, that's the Joker. He's mastered chemistry, genetics, robotics, psychology, computer programming, military tactics, etc. He's a guy who has to rely on his intelligence to outmaneuver Batman - he wouldn't stand a chance in a fight. Even Nolan's "realistic" take on the Joker showed him able to outsmart Batman until the final scene.

This Joker comes off as a dim-witted nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him.

The film doesn't really fit with the Batman universe..

Phoenix's character isn't really the Joker from the comics I would say.

Its just a Taxi Driver/ Dog Day afternoon remake.

The Greek heroes were literally half divine and half human.. America had none of its own folklore heroes in that vein/in the modern age until comic book Superheroes came along who are themselves pretty much Half-Divine, their Villain opponents also..

you are right, Phoenix's Joker is a mentally ill nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him at all. He doesn't accord to the comic book lore.

But the acting is a mile better than the 'cartoony' acting of the Dark Knight.

The cultural set try and pretend that they are above religion and superstition but..
Hollywoods veneration of Comic Book Films (that are often pretty shit and ten times worse than the graphic novels that spawned them) is part material self-interest and part some sort of religious stupefaction.

Is this supposed to be the same universe as Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad?
If so, then it's akin to dark knight being prequel to Adam West's Batman.

That being said, acting was really great and the film tried to be brutally realistic, even more so than TDK. Sad they had to go with antifa political bullshit.
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(10-07-2019 05:21 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  Is this supposed to be the same universe as Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad?
If so, then it's akin to dark knight being prequel to Adam West's Batman.

That being said, acting was really great and the film tried to be brutally realistic, even more so than TDK. Sad they had to go with antifa political bullshit.

How they tie this latest iteration of the Joker into any other DC properties is yet to be seen.
Yet for now, it seems to be a one off.

However, that it is already so successful in it's first weekend. Worldwide: $234mil on a ~$55 mil production budget in it's first weekend.
Means that not only is it a commercial success right out of the gate.
It will no doubt be rather difficult for the Hollowood execs to resist doing more with Joker Phoenix...
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(10-07-2019 01:21 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Back to the movie for a bit:

Does anything about this character make you think he could outsmart Batman? Because, that's the Joker. He's mastered chemistry, genetics, robotics, psychology, computer programming, military tactics, etc. He's a guy who has to rely on his intelligence to outmaneuver Batman - he wouldn't stand a chance in a fight. Even Nolan's "realistic" take on the Joker showed him able to outsmart Batman until the final scene.

This Joker comes off as a dim-witted nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him.
But Joker is an origin story, so it's showcasing how the character came to be. Yes, Joker in this movie couldn't outsmart Batman - but that's like scoffing at the idea of 10 year old Bruce Wayne being Batman. Both characters still have 20 years to grow into the characters they're supposed to be.

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I haven't watched it yet.

The described Antifa/liberal themes aside, though, it's such a delightful feeling watching these lunatics go batshit crazy over something and see good taste and common sense prevail in spite of it.

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Spoilers.....


Joker movie was good, but I wouldn't call it excellent.

It was a notch above most superhero movies and the success might break the old system.

While I would not call it woke, it was clearly Occupy-Wallstreet-Antifa beholden. They made Thomas Wayne into some Trump copy even if not all too bad. You gotta remember that for the woke crowd anyone who is rich and White is evil. That is why the Wallstreet guys deserved death for throwing 2 french fries on a girl and beating up Joker while the Latino gang at the beginning were just kids for beating up Joker more brutally.

But alas - it's more clever propaganda of old - Jewish comedian mentions that Jews were not allowed to be teachers, race-mixing-romance vision of the docile polite well-read black single-mother, people getting upset over what exactly? Guess the Antifa nihilism was strong in the 1970s.

But yeah - it had a few strong scenes. And Joker is hardly a power fantasy - he just grew some balls at the end and instantly became a psychopath. Also hilarious that they made Martha Wayne - mother of Bruce Wayne - a geriatric woman who must have gotten Bruce aged 45.

No wonder that the movie confused the NPC media and they gave the movie only a review rating slightly below the Masterpiece of Captain Marvel. It's a good movie, good solid old-style propaganda, but hardly apolitical and not without some woke.

Though I wouldn't call it a masterpiece at all.

The good thing is that it might influence and finally end the Superhero genre which is ever more woke and gets way too much traction among the normies.
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(10-07-2019 02:39 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 01:21 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Back to the movie for a bit:

Does anything about this character make you think he could outsmart Batman? Because, that's the Joker. He's mastered chemistry, genetics, robotics, psychology, computer programming, military tactics, etc. He's a guy who has to rely on his intelligence to outmaneuver Batman - he wouldn't stand a chance in a fight. Even Nolan's "realistic" take on the Joker showed him able to outsmart Batman until the final scene.

This Joker comes off as a dim-witted nutcase, there's nothing uniquely clever about him.

The cultural set try and pretend that they are above religion and superstition but..
Hollywoods veneration of Comic Book Films (that are often pretty shit and ten times worse than the graphic novels that spawned them) is part material self-interest and part some sort of religious stupefaction.

When I'm looking at arguments on Facebook, I like to at the profiles of the people who are furiously mashing out their angry posts. It's my amateur informal way of doing research to analyze social and psychological trends. When I look at the profile of some liberal angry atheist type, most of the time I'll see a bunch of comic book and super hero related posts along with other nerd pop culture stuff. I would say a lot of this superhero comic book worship is almost like paganism adapted for the modern person who considers himself (or xirself I guess ) too intellectually advanced to worship in the way people did centuries ago. Difference is that instead instead of lighting some candles in front of a saint stored in a shrine they'll just buy some overpriced statue/action figure and set in on their shelves filled with other objects of their adoration.

Back to the subject of the Joker *SPOILERS FROM THIS POINT ON* - saw it last night and really enjoyed it. I saw it with a group of friends, one of them being someone who had gone to school for film making and he remarked on well shot the movie was. Some people were complaining about the political nature of the film but I didn't think it was as heavy handed as say - that random segment in The Last Jedi where the main characters were raiding that casino. The Joker wasn't some sort of antifa figure - it wasn't really until that scene where he is getting grilled on the talk show that he makes any sort of comment that could be construed as social commentary. And even then, it was pretty much self-serving and just him having a pity party without really making some sort of "woke" stance. He doesn't really care about the larger going ons and turmoil in Gotham. That scene towards the end where he's among the looters basking in their attention shows what he was really seeking - someone to pay attention to him in an adoring way rather than as a joke. He couldn't get it as a comedian so now he's getting it by acting as a symbol for the protestors.

Also did anyone else realize right away that all those scenes with the single mom were just the fantasies that he was playing around in his head? A common thing you see among low status males is how just having one positive interaction with a girl can lead the guy to become obsessed with her. All the scenes he was playing out in his head is exactly how some omega/gamma guy would be visualizing some sort of relationship he is having a woman who is barely aware of his existence.
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CNN did not seem to like the movie. link
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Quote:While many reviewers have focused on Fleck as an "incel" hero -- his status as a sexless loner who turns to violence -- the true nature of the movie's appeal is actually broader: It's an insidious validation of the white-male resentment that helped bring President Donald Trump to power.

Quote:"Joker," at its core, is the story of the "forgotten man," the metaphoric displaced and disenfranchised white man whose goodwill has been abused and whose status has been reduced. A man who has been crushed underfoot by the elite, dragged down by equality-demanding feminists and climbed over by upstart nonwhite and immigrant masses.

Quote:It draws from the same well of resentment that Trump strums with his racist rhetoric at his rallies -- the fear of no longer being at the center of the political, social and cultural universe, with everyone who isn't you positioned at its perceived edges. (After all, being racist, sexist and anti-gay only "pushes boundaries" if you define yourself as "normal" and define nonwhite, non-male and non-straight people as marginalized outsiders.)

Quote:It also doesn't quite seem accidental that all the incidental characters Fleck encounters are black: the social worker who tunes him out during counseling sessions, the woman on the bus who fearfully shoos him away from her toddler, the admin who tries to prevent him from getting his mother's hospital records, and the object of his desire, played by Zazie Beets.

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I’ve rewatched two Batman movies since watching Joker, just to compare, and they’re incredibly stupid compared to it. Especially Dark Knight Rises - bad acting, bad writing, giant plot holes and I didn’t care about any of the characters at all. These dark origin psychological villain profile things are way better than comic book movies and I hope we get more of them.

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Quote:It also doesn't quite seem accidental that all the incidental characters Fleck encounters are black: the social worker who tunes him out during counseling sessions, the woman on the bus who fearfully shoos him away from her toddler, the admin who tries to prevent him from getting his mother's hospital records, and the object of his desire, played by Zazie Beets.

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First they shame movie directors into trying to include as many minority actors as they can lest they get attacked. Then turn around and say that all the minority actors add up to "doesn't quite seem so accidental" racism.

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Yeah, this is definitely a weird one, judging by the reactions. Elements on the left and right seem to be claiming it as their own, while at the same time both the left and right are disavowing it for batting too much for the other side?! Normally I can do a good job of judging the worth of a movie just by noticing the type of people who hate it, but I'm struggling with this one.

I haven't seen it, but I'd be amazed if their is any Rightist thinking behind it. Whereas Nolan's Batman trilogy drips with it.

Also, I could be wrong but this looks like they've just tried to do a serious, grown-up and thoughtful movie about mental illness, but decided to use the Batman/Joker brand to put bums on seats and money in the bank. Feels a bit disingenuous, but I've yet to see it so could be on the wrong track.

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And the funny thing is that the movie could be all be playing in the mind of a mental patient with almost nothing being real.
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It's important to keep the wider perspective. If you go see this movie, the establishment will love you. Because it's money, money, money, ca-ching, ca-ching. (they really make the money by directing you to a space where you will buy the overpriced popcorn). Discussing it is great because that creates more interest or more of "I just got to see this". More money. Controversy = money. What is there for an establishment to not like?

I have not seen this movie. And I never will.

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10-08-2019 11:10 AM
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-08-2019 11:10 AM)Sherman Wrote:  If you go see this movie, the establishment will love you.

It's interesting to see how Joker and Birds of Prey both draw from the same source material but inhabit opposite sides of the scale, a non-woke film made by a director who is fed up with wokeness and an intentionally woke film, both from the same studio.

WB is at a more pragmatic stage where it is sort of throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks, whereas it's really Disney that has more of a singular activist voice.

But with JJ setting up shop at WB, and his wife being instrumental in the Time's Up movement, expect things to change, despite Joker's box-office take.

(10-07-2019 06:12 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Especially Dark Knight Rises

Dark Knight Rises has two things that make it worthwhile, the whole segment where he escapes the pit, and the red-pill truth of him (and Bane for that matter) getting manipulated by the chick.
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10-08-2019 11:35 AM
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Anyone seen that Michael Keaton movie Birdman?

This is basically Birdman.. but a lot more low-key (thankfully).

The critics LOVED Birdman.. loved loved loved it. But they get all upset with Joker.

Its a good film, quite sleight and limited in its ambition and story: its just one man giving an acting masterclass that leaves Michael Keaton in the shade and with a director who does a much better job of keeping everything at a more manageable frequency..

Not everything dialled up to Pretentious levels of 11.

Its a good film, better than at least 95% of movies most cinemas show each year --- good film, people enjoy it and then people forget about it and get on with their lives.

Nice, though, to see the critics screaming and throwing themselves from one side of the aisle to the other in their attempts to justify their pay check.

Sargon on the silly leftists etc.:





Matters of taste will always differ: The Dark Knight Rises.. all these films where Hollywood makes a massive effort and we all have to go and watch them.
I just couldn't watch that movie and be engrossed in it as I am with genuinely good films.
Transformers, Star Wars, Spiderman, James Bond, Dark Knight, Avengers -- its like the corporations that we live amongst put on a little neighbourhood Christmas skit/play (that's still.. pretty shit..) and we all have to do our civic duty and go along and dutifully clap.

Films like Hereditary, There Will Be Blood, Joker and Sicario are actually engrossing and good.
They, in their turn, show up the rest.
10-08-2019 12:00 PM
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It's all come full circle... Cool

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10-08-2019 03:38 PM
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Anonymous Conservative :

Quote:In Rome, they hung an effigy of Greta from a bridge. Men are most dangerous when they reach a point where there is nothing they cling to with any concern. As I look out on the young male population, it feels as if they are slowly becoming that. No social ties. Blackpilled on their nations, women, culture, careers, leaders, their own people, regardless of whether it is all real or merely the propaganda they are fed. I feel it in myself. At some point those legions of rootless Jokers will meet and realize how much fun it will be to burn everything to the ground. And the one thing they will grow roots into, and become bound to, will be their common cause. I’m kind of looking forward to it, if domestic intel gets taken out of the game, and fate can operate freely.


Mayor of Rome condemns 'shameful' Greta Thunberg effigy hung from bridge

The mayor of Rome has condemned a "shameful" effigy of climate activist Greta Thunberg discovered hanging off a bridge near the city's airport on Monday.
Mayor Virginia Raggi voiced her solidarity with Thunberg and her family in a tweet.
“Our climate commitment does not stop,” the tweet read, according to a translation from the tabloid The Sun.

Vergognoso il manichino di @GretaThunberg ritrovato appeso a un ponte nella nostra città. A lei e alla sua famiglia la mia solidarietà e quella di tutta @Roma. Il nostro impegno sul clima non si ferma. pic.twitter.com/YXMXMJDA3D
— Virginia Raggi (@virginiaraggi) October 7, 2019

The dummy had pigtails like Thunberg and a sign that said "Greta Is Your God!" ABC's Virginia station WSET reported.
Firefighters and local police have since removed the effigy, according to la Repubblica and WSET.


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-...eful-greta
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