I'm Touring The United States! Starting in June, I'm conducting private events in 23 American cities. Click here for full details.

Post Reply 
Is The Joker a psy-op?
Author Message
PainPositive Offline
Woodpecker
**
Gold Member

Posts: 464
Joined: Apr 2015
Reputation: 75
Post: #176
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I just watched the joker. Pretty bad movie 5/10. The pace was okay but I expected something profound about politics, civil unrest, or mental health but got a pretty basic story about a guy who stopped taking his meds and got crazier. Didn't find it interesting or thought-provoking at all. Some good scenes but pretty boring and very predictable. He wasn't even that crazy. He stabbed a guy and shot another. That's it. He also accidentally starts a riot/movement. Cinematography and acting were great but I feel like they could've gone further with the storyline.

For all the raving about how deep the message is I was surprised at how bland the movie turned out to be.
10-21-2019 11:33 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like PainPositive's post:
Going strong, Handsome Creepy Eel, azulsombra, Kungfu
questor70 Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 2,285
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 20
Post: #177
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
You're missing the point. Was Captain Marvel deep? No. How about Batwoman? It's the woke politics (or anti-woke) that make these things dumpster fires and that's why this matters.

We live in an era in which media criticism and watercooler discussions about movies and TV are ground zero of the culture-war.

It's the controversy about the movie that makes the movie more than the content of the movie itself. Saying it's "not that deep" doesn't diminish this.

Note that if you control the media you control the message. Classically, think propaganda on the pro and book-burning on the con. That's why we should pay attention to what Hollywood is peddling and and how SJWs have created an ideological wall that validates the propaganda and marginalizes dissenting voices (like the disconnect between reviewer and audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes).
(This post was last modified: 10-21-2019 01:25 PM by questor70.)
10-21-2019 01:20 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 6 users Like questor70's post:
Beyond Borders, Benoit, infowarrior1, Robert High Hawk, VNvet, pitbullowner
PainPositive Offline
Woodpecker
**
Gold Member

Posts: 464
Joined: Apr 2015
Reputation: 75
Post: #178
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I agree. For example, I found this thread far more interesting than the movie itself. I guess after reading all the stuff extrapolated from such a boring movie surprised me that's all.
10-21-2019 05:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like PainPositive's post:
VNvet, Going strong
Easy_C Offline
Crow
*****

Posts: 4,216
Joined: Oct 2014
Reputation: 28
Post: #179
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Quote:The descent is presented as triumphant by the director and perceived as such by the now-insane and utterly degraded Fleck. The audience is prompted to celebrate his descent into madness and violence as a triumphant escape from depression and an unfair society. Many will seek to emulate this on some level. So my final opinion is that this is indeed a psyop prompting disaffected white men (I'm going to stop calling them losers) to fall into a kind of violent isolated degradation where they feel free to lash out, but obviously not at anyone that really matters (which is to say: anyone in power).

How about a film where Fleck finds three or four other guys, starts lifting, eating right, and either turns to God or at worst enters into a brotherhood dedicated to rooting out the real enemies of his people and shooting them instead of an utterly replaceable media puppet?

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that movie to be made. Fight Club was about as close as we're going to get to that.

We do have such a movie with religious undertones that's about a few average blokes who decide to make society a better place by shooting those who are ultimately responsible for the misery.


Predictably, the creators had an almost impossible time getting anyone to fund the movie and when it was funded the film was released in only a few theatres while being dogpiled by the critics.


In spite of all that everyone here has heard of the movie. It's called The Boondock Saints.
10-21-2019 07:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 5 users Like Easy_C's post:
Dr Mantis Toboggan, infowarrior1, Syberpunk, VNvet, Going strong
CynicalContrarian Offline
Peacock
******
Gold Member

Posts: 7,638
Joined: Aug 2015
Reputation: 22
Post: #180
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
As people have said.
On one hand. It is just a movie. The response can well be said to be more significant than the film itself.
Yet on the other, it is a Hellywood product all the same.
The one major poster still has an 'all seeing eye' / occultic element to it :

[Image: joker-2019-poster-4.jpg]


Yet still, the response from "the establishment" doesn't quite fit, especially when reading things such as this :

Joker Movie's Small Budget Was Meant To Stop It Being Made

Joker’s small budget was meant to stop it from being made. The new villain origin story marks a significant departure for director Todd Phillips from his sizeable resume of comedic hits. So far, the new direction is paying off in a big way.

Aside from the long gestating anticipation of DC Comics fans for the standalone Joker film, the real hype began shortly after Joker took home the Golden Lion for Best Picture at this summer’s Venice Film Festival. From that point on, critics as well as the general public were paying attention. Of course, as grim as it may sound, Joker’s box office prospects and popularity seemed to have been amplified by the controversy surrounding the film. In fact, judging by the extremely strong box office numbers over the past two weeks since the film’s release, it’s safe to say that the myriad of controversies plaguing Joker really had no discernible negative effect at all. Considering that the film is set to gross more that $700 million worldwide on a relatively small $55 million budget, it looks like Phillips will have the last laugh.

But of course, Phillips’ approach to the film seemed different from the outset. The notion that this was a comic book movie was consistently beat back and Phillips assured fans that Joker wouldn’t take anything from the comic books. Even budget wasn’t a factor for The Hangover director – regardless of the fact that, according to THR, Warner Bros. intentionally made the budget small. Apparently, this was done to deter Phillips from making the film, but Warner’s relatively small budget did nothing to keep the filmmaker from moving forward with his vision.

It does come off as strange that Warner Bros. would want to deter Phillips from making Joker, but THR reports that the studio was "nervous about its dark tone." This comes in addition to the news of Jared Leto’s alleged attempts to stop Joker from being made. The Oscar-winner was reportedly angered by Warner’s decision to not cast him in a standalone Joker film, despite the fact that he had recently played the character in 2016’s Suicide Squad. While Warner wasn’t willing to stop production altogether or insist that Leto be given the lead role rather than Joaquin Phoenix, the studio did what it apparently felt was the next best thing and gave the film a small budget. What it seems that Warner wasn’t aware of, however, was that Phillips had no need for the sort of giant budget typically associated with comic book movies because he did not intend to make a comic book movie.


https://screenrant.com/joker-movie-small...-phillips/


Obviously Warner Bros will gladly roll in the vast sums of cash this film is making for them.
Yet it may well be that they were never completely behind this film.
10-21-2019 10:09 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 5 users Like CynicalContrarian's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, infowarrior1, Robert High Hawk, VNvet, Going strong
questor70 Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 2,285
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 20
Post: #181
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Think of liberal Hollywood not as a complete monopoly on thought but rather a heavy majority. That still leaves a minority of dissenting voices who occasionally claw their way forward with counter-programming. That's how you get Joker, Rambo, Shaft, or Zombieland 2 Double-Tap.
10-21-2019 10:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like questor70's post:
Easy_C, bucky, VNvet, Going strong
An0dyne Offline
Pigeon

Posts: 28
Joined: Aug 2019
Reputation: 0
Post: #182
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I think the movie was about a clinically insane man playing out wild fantasies/delusions as he was locked in an asylum. I don't think any of the events of the film actually took place. The film hints at this throughout, with the opening shot of the asylum, then the many scenes that the film openly acknowledged as ones Fleck simply imagined. The outrageous nature of the final act (as well as the entire set-up that led to it) simply reinforces the notion that these were the crazed delusions of a very ill man, not based in any real events that the character personally experienced.
(This post was last modified: 10-22-2019 06:06 AM by An0dyne.)
10-22-2019 06:00 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like An0dyne's post:
azulsombra, VNvet, Going strong
bucky Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 565
Joined: Nov 2015
Reputation: 4
Post: #183
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-22-2019 06:00 AM)An0dyne Wrote:  I think the movie was about a clinically insane man playing out wild fantasies/delusions as he was locked in an asylum. I don't think any of the events of the film actually took place. The film hints at this throughout, with the opening shot of the asylum, then the many scenes that the film openly acknowledged as ones Fleck simply imagined. The outrageous nature of the final act (as well as the entire set-up that led to it) simply reinforces the notion that these were the crazed delusions of a very ill man, not based in any real events that the character personally experienced.

I haven't seen it yet, but I've never liked the idea of the Joker having a known real name and origin, especially an origin that boils down to "he became evil because people were mean to him." I'm hoping that if Phoenix is the Joker again in a movie featuring Batman, we'll see him give multiple origins that are all lies like Ledger's Joker did, suggesting that this movie just happened in his head.

That said, I had no interest in seeing this film at first but now that multiple groups openly fear it and don't want me to see it and it's still on track to become the biggest R-rated film ever, I very much want to check it out.

Feminism in ten words: "Stop objectifying women! Can't you see I've hit the wall?" -Leonard D Neubache
10-23-2019 11:23 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes bucky's post:
VNvet
Richard Turpin Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 784
Joined: Nov 2017
Reputation: 7
Post: #184
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-23-2019 11:23 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 06:00 AM)An0dyne Wrote:  I think the movie was about a clinically insane man playing out wild fantasies/delusions as he was locked in an asylum. I don't think any of the events of the film actually took place. The film hints at this throughout, with the opening shot of the asylum, then the many scenes that the film openly acknowledged as ones Fleck simply imagined. The outrageous nature of the final act (as well as the entire set-up that led to it) simply reinforces the notion that these were the crazed delusions of a very ill man, not based in any real events that the character personally experienced.

I haven't seen it yet, but I've never liked the idea of the Joker having a known real name and origin, especially an origin that boils down to "he became evil because people were mean to him." I'm hoping that if Phoenix is the Joker again in a movie featuring Batman, we'll see him give multiple origins that are all lies like Ledger's Joker did, suggesting that this movie just happened in his head.

That said, I had no interest in seeing this film at first but now that multiple groups openly fear it and don't want me to see it and it's still on track to become the biggest R-rated film ever, I very much want to check it out.

Yeah, as I've said, this just feels like a movie about mental health but using the Batman brand to get money as well as oscars. I too hate too much backstory and explanation with great characters. Look at Boba Fett! We all loved him 'cos he was so cool and mysterious and only had seconds of screen-time. But now with the EU, the movies and new Mandalorian series, we know every damn thing about him. Same thing with the Terminator franchise, just too much info.

‘After you’ve got two eye-witness accounts, following an automobile accident, you begin
To worry about history’ – Tim Allen
10-24-2019 04:11 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Richard Turpin's post:
Leonard D Neubache, VNvet, Going strong
Pinkman Offline
Banned

Posts: 108
Joined: May 2019
Post: #185
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I almost never watch a Hollywood production and I am usually the first guy to point out the globohomo propaganda in movies and TV. But in this one I just can't say I saw any noticeable propaganda. I don't agree with Simeon's view (which I usually do) of how it is globohomo propaganda.

To me, this was just a film about a man who decided to stop fighting against his inner demons and accept what he is. A story of enlightenment you could say. From black pill to honk pill. It is not romanticizing violence against the rich or any other group. It is sympathetic to the Joker, but he still doesn't come away as the "good guy". As a matter of fact, no people in Gotham are portrayed in a good light. The black therapist doesn't give a shit about him. His mother was a bitch. Thomas Wayne was egotistical and out of touch with the masses. In the end, it was more realistic than the usual Good vs Evil story that is told in Batman. All people have good and bad in them. Sure there are people that are almost entirely bad, but there aren't any people who are entirely good.

Regarding the similarities with Taxi Driver. Like in the Joker, it's about a societal outcast who couldn't take the pain anymore and decided to say "Fuck it". In Taxi Driver, Travis Barker decides to become a white knight and take out his frustration on a pimp. In The Joker, Arthur decides to start killing people who wrongs him personally. I could emphasize more with the latter path, as it seems more honest. Travis wanted to kill people and be called a hero for it. The Joker was fine with being the villain.

As for the story itself I think it would've needed another 30 minutes to show more of his character development. It went a little too fast sometimes. Like how he went from a coward to shooting three people on the train, even running after one of them and executing him on the platform.

I also think I would've liked it more if it wasn't played out in the "Batman universe". I was in trance watching the story unfold only to be reminded that it was a superhero/comic book movie when he killed DeNiro on live TV and was broken out of a police car by a crowd. It was a little over the top. Along with some other weird scenes like when he was dancing on the steps to upbeat music, the movie seemed a bit schizophrenic. It wasn't congruent in what kind of feeling and story it wanted to tell. It had moments which I thought were some of the best cinema I had ever seen, only to be confused about whether I even liked the movie or not just a few moments later. So it wasn't perfect, but overall I really enjoyed it. 9/10 from me.
(This post was last modified: 10-24-2019 07:34 AM by Pinkman.)
10-24-2019 06:54 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like Pinkman's post:
Benoit, Robert High Hawk, VNvet, Teedub
Pinkman Offline
Banned

Posts: 108
Joined: May 2019
Post: #186
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Women obviously hate this movie. They don't like weak men, even if they become strong in the future. They do not relate to a story by empathizing, but judge it on whether they are attracted to the hero or not. They love bad boys, but not if they started out as weak. They want to see more "fuckboys" being mass murderes, cause incels don't make their panties wet.

[Image: EDu7Pr-W4AEc8YU.jpg]

Always remember that this is how women think.

Same woman who retweeted the above, but a different comic book show of a non-incel main character:

[Image: EDynReAW4AAAMyX.jpg]
(This post was last modified: 10-24-2019 08:12 AM by Pinkman.)
10-24-2019 07:44 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like Pinkman's post:
MikeInRealLife, Benoit, VNvet, Teedub
bucky Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 565
Joined: Nov 2015
Reputation: 4
Post: #187
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-24-2019 04:11 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:23 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 06:00 AM)An0dyne Wrote:  I think the movie was about a clinically insane man playing out wild fantasies/delusions as he was locked in an asylum. I don't think any of the events of the film actually took place. The film hints at this throughout, with the opening shot of the asylum, then the many scenes that the film openly acknowledged as ones Fleck simply imagined. The outrageous nature of the final act (as well as the entire set-up that led to it) simply reinforces the notion that these were the crazed delusions of a very ill man, not based in any real events that the character personally experienced.

I haven't seen it yet, but I've never liked the idea of the Joker having a known real name and origin, especially an origin that boils down to "he became evil because people were mean to him." I'm hoping that if Phoenix is the Joker again in a movie featuring Batman, we'll see him give multiple origins that are all lies like Ledger's Joker did, suggesting that this movie just happened in his head.

That said, I had no interest in seeing this film at first but now that multiple groups openly fear it and don't want me to see it and it's still on track to become the biggest R-rated film ever, I very much want to check it out.

Yeah, as I've said, this just feels like a movie about mental health but using the Batman brand to get money as well as oscars. I too hate too much backstory and explanation with great characters. Look at Boba Fett! We all loved him 'cos he was so cool and mysterious and only had seconds of screen-time. But now with the EU, the movies and new Mandalorian series, we know every damn thing about him. Same thing with the Terminator franchise, just too much info.

Not to mention Darth Vader himself, as far as knowing too much backstory goes.

Feminism in ten words: "Stop objectifying women! Can't you see I've hit the wall?" -Leonard D Neubache
10-24-2019 11:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like bucky's post:
Richard Turpin, VNvet, Going strong
An0dyne Offline
Pigeon

Posts: 28
Joined: Aug 2019
Reputation: 0
Post: #188
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-24-2019 06:54 AM)Pinkman Wrote:  I also think I would've liked it more if it wasn't played out in the "Batman universe". I was in trance watching the story unfold only to be reminded that it was a superhero/comic book movie when he killed DeNiro on live TV and was broken out of a police car by a crowd. It was a little over the top. Along with some other weird scenes like when he was dancing on the steps to upbeat music, the movie seemed a bit schizophrenic. It wasn't congruent in what kind of feeling and story it wanted to tell. It had moments which I thought were some of the best cinema I had ever seen, only to be confused about whether I even liked the movie or not just a few moments later. So it wasn't perfect, but overall I really enjoyed it. 9/10 from me.

Agreed on the Batman universe part--this is a story about mental health that easily could have taken place without the superhero cameos. I think the "schizophrenic" feel of the film is entirely intentional and a byproduct of that.
10-25-2019 02:13 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes An0dyne's post:
VNvet
RWIsrael Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 202
Joined: Nov 2018
Reputation: 1
Post: #189
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Edit : screw it can't quote properly on mobile.
(This post was last modified: 10-25-2019 02:29 AM by RWIsrael.)
10-25-2019 02:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes RWIsrael's post:
VNvet
Robert High Hawk Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 538
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 11
Post: #190
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I loved this movie.

This is the first time in years that I paid to watch a movie in a theater and walked away feeling I got my money's worth. I may even go watch it again.

To get to my point up front: Walking away from this movie, I felt a strong obligation that I should be nicer to people, all kinds of people, who I come across daily. Strange for such a dark movie no? But that's what made this movie so good and effective.

You see the potential consequences - on others, and on society - of cruel and unsympathetic behavior. That is why so many people hate this movie.

Intolerant and narcissistic people never want to consider the affect of their actions on others, they never want to consider that people acting a (deplorable) certain way, may be doing so for completely valid (but not justified) reasons. And yes, this person was white in this movie.

The media and celebrity class, symbolized by Robert DeNiro are absolutely excoriated in this movie, and they hate it for this reason. They soak up the praise of the common man, yet exploit the vulnerable at any moment for their own benefit. Joker's monologue at the end before killing DeNiro was spot on in this regard.

Almost every aspect of this movie was great. First off, the director took his time, and let the story and acting This was not a CG driven jerk fest with roided up super heroes in front of a green screen. The "action" in this movie was incredibly tame by today's standards, and you didn't feel overwhelmed visually, yet it was incredibly exciting at times. I think the director took a lot of risks here, both artistically and politically (more on that later). There were long, powerful, yet slightly awkward scenes to watch, where you were more or less forced into Arthur's tortured reality. I think the movie treated the audience like adults, and for this alone it was incredibly refreshing.

As for the messaging, to say that this movie was pushing leftist points is simply not true, unless you deliberately manipulating things you saw on the screen, or willingly ignoring the context of the movie

Arthur (Joker) lives in the PROJECTS (or slum/ghetto whatever). Guess who also lives there? Minorities. Single moms. They deliberately use this to emphasis how crappy his life is. How exactly is this minority worship?

One of the first scenes sees him getting teased, then beaten mercilessly by Puerto Rican youths. Arthur's coworker calls them savages, he meekly disagrees, yet still accepts a loaded gun to protect himself next time should that happen, so clearly he on some level is willing to fight back against such attacks on the future. So is that an exalted portrayal of minorities?

How about the time the fat black woman on the train is a total bitch to him for no reason?

As for the dating relationship with the single mom. He lives in the ghetto, surrounded by minorities and single moms, and she is the only person who ever so slightly flirts with him. After he murders 3 people he walks in her apartment like a boss and just kisses her without a word (at least in his head). He never puts up with her shit because there is none to begin with, in fact she's totally submissive to him in her body language. What's the problem here? He never makes ridiculous promises of raising her single kid. The kid is just kind of there (rarely in fact, never when they are out on dates for example), and also serves a purpose later of heightening the tension when he just walks in her apartment and scares them.

Minorities in this movie were treated neutrally, realistically, and it was so wonderfully refreshing to see that. And guess what, in NYC, most social workers will be black, barely attentive as they were in this movie. I forgot, he kills the second black social worker at the end of the movie....

Also, the movie absolutely condemns single motherhood! From the beginning you see how unhealthy the relationship is, how enabling it is, yet the movie goes much further, to see what absolutely horrendous, abusive woman she was, and plainly states it: diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, allowed her boyfriend to abuse Arthur while she stood by and did nothing.

I'm honestly surprised this theme got slipped under the radar like it did, showing the dangers of single moms. The dangers of lifelong long untreated mental illness, covered with over-medication as well. SO many great themes in this movie.

Joker is a sympathetic character, but certainly not aspirational for the audience.

Let's hope we get more of these kinds of movies.
(This post was last modified: 10-25-2019 04:59 AM by Robert High Hawk.)
10-25-2019 04:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 18 users Like Robert High Hawk's post:
Syberpunk, Handsome Creepy Eel, Aurini, MikeInRealLife, Caractacus Potts, TheBowery, questor70, azulsombra, Dream Medicine, CynicalContrarian, Beyond Borders, VNvet, Teedub, BoiBoi, Kurgan, Benoit, bucky, Buck Wild
CynicalContrarian Offline
Peacock
******
Gold Member

Posts: 7,638
Joined: Aug 2015
Reputation: 22
Post: #191
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
11-06-2019 04:39 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like CynicalContrarian's post:
VNvet, bucky, Buck Wild
Teedub Offline
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 5,204
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 82
Post: #192
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-24-2019 07:44 AM)Pinkman Wrote:  Snip

Can't stand white liberal women like this, you know - the types who are now breaking ranks a bit about trannies in women's sport. They started this slippery slope decades ago with unfettered love of liberal inclusivity etc. And I agree with your assessment of why they don't like Joker.

Bill Burr summed it up recently in his Paper Tiger special, I paraphrase in regards to political correctness and cancel culture etc "All I know is... white women started it. When did women start trying to separate themselves from us? 'Oh these white males with their white male privilege'... bitch, you're sitting in the jacuzzi WITH me!"

It's just an attempt by spoilt middle to upper-middle class, bored white women to try and get on the victim totempole for attention.

Edit: I do have some objection to describing Travis Bickle as a 'white knight' - a white knight is an internet denizen who comes to the defence of women who are rightfully deserving of criticism because they think it will get them a proverbial pat on the head. Saving the life of a 12 year old prostitute from a pimp is right, and good. If I'd gone into a Rotherham rape-house and blown everyone away and saved the girls, I'd be seen as a vigilante hero on here, not a white knight.

The things you own end up owning you.
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2019 07:34 AM by Teedub.)
11-06-2019 06:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 8 users Like Teedub's post:
CynicalContrarian, Leonard D Neubache, VNvet, Going strong, Beyond Borders, bucky, Buck Wild, Zenta
questor70 Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 2,285
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 20
Post: #193
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Taxi Driver aside, the responsibility women have in the social contract is similar to a shop owner protecting groceries. You've got fresh fruit and you don't want them bruised or spoiled. Once they're damaged, then nobody will want to buy them. So a woman's role is to protect themselves from harm. If they know that no matter how battered and bruised they get, some guy will swoop in and claim them, then there's no incentive on their part to do this. The end result is the sexual marketplace is littered with bruised fruit (which you see today with your purple haired, tatted land-whales).

Therefore it's also the responsibility of men, as callous as it may seem, to allow damaged women to fall through the cracks in order for the negative feedback loop to do its job. It's sort of social darwinism.
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2019 11:11 AM by questor70.)
11-06-2019 11:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like questor70's post:
Benoit, Gremlin, Buck Wild, VNvet
Bienvenuto Offline
Pelican
****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,102
Joined: Mar 2017
Reputation: 25
Post: #194
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(11-06-2019 06:56 AM)Teedub Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 07:44 AM)Pinkman Wrote:  Snip

Can't stand white liberal women like this, you know - the types who are now breaking ranks a bit about trannies in women's sport.

Bill Burr summed it up recently in his Paper Tiger special, I paraphrase in regards to political correctness and cancel culture etc "All I know is... white women started it. When did women start trying to separate themselves from us? 'Oh these white males with their white male privilege'... bitch, you're sitting in the jacuzzi WITH me!"

Remember, these are the bitches who lay back on chaise longues and clicked their fingers for the wallahs to bring them more iced drinks.

Whilst at least their oppressor husbands ran actual plantations and rubber farms, directed public works and led armies.

These bitches have always been living the most privileged life on Planet Earth. Nothing has changed.

But now.. instead of complaining about the mess that the black servants have made of trimming her juniper bushes, she complains about White Males! and pretends to make common cause with the likes of Malcolm X and Stormzy. Clueless bitches..

The most privileged people to have ever walked the face of the planet.

Pointing the finger at everyone else.
11-07-2019 10:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Bienvenuto's post:
Leonard D Neubache, Teedub, VNvet
Teedub Offline
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 5,204
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 82
Post: #195
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Quite. I still remember my brother putting an epic slap down on his posh girlfriend's equally posh feminist friend. I've spoken of it before on here.

Context: brother is normal background, got into world renowned English university on merit

Girlfriend and friend highly privileged posh Londoners.

Friend was talking about male privilege and all the usual tripe. My heart rate was going up as we were sat around the table in the pub. I can't remember what she said but his response was something like:

"Your great grandmother sent my great grandfather to work down fucking mines so she could buy another fancy fucking coat!"

Needless to say. His (now ex) girlfriend knew not to bring up 3rd wave oppression narratives again and I don't think he ever saw the friend again.

The things you own end up owning you.
11-08-2019 02:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 7 users Like Teedub's post:
Syberpunk, Bienvenuto, Dream Medicine, Leonard D Neubache, bucky, Buck Wild, VNvet
Simeon_Strangelight Offline
Hawk
*******
Gold Member

Posts: 18,572
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 217
Post: #196
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?




Joker almost as profitable as the Avengers movie due to ridiculously low production/advertising costs.

It's a world-wide phenomenon - people travelling to the stairs to dance on them:

[Image: joks.jpg?ext=.jpg]

In Japan:

[Image: 845o78dq0rq31.jpg]

I personally didn't even like it that much, but obviously it's a good movie and I can understand that some people enjoy it.

Still no copycat shooters. Also hilarious how Gundam - black Youtuber - picks on blue checkmarks who rather wanted to see Joker in "safe" black cinemas - heh. "The community" is anything but safe.
11-10-2019 11:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Simeon_Strangelight's post:
VNvet
kubrixrube Offline
Pigeon

Posts: 8
Joined: Nov 2019
Reputation: 0
Post: #197
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I had a friend that worked as a marketing intern for WB this past summer. He told me that WB did expect a lot financially from the film so I do believe all the controversy was in some ways artificial. Additionally I think it was pretty good for a super hero film and find it ironic that it’s basically a Taxi Driver ripoff considering what Scorsese recently said about super hero films. Overall if we can get more films like this and not cgi Fests like the marvel films I think we can be a bit happier.
11-10-2019 12:47 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like kubrixrube's post:
VNvet, bucky
Kurgan Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 719
Joined: Nov 2016
Reputation: 3
Post: #198
RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-25-2019 04:56 AM)Robert High Hawk Wrote:  I loved this movie.

This is the first time in years that I paid to watch a movie in a theater and walked away feeling I got my money's worth. I may even go watch it again.

To get to my point up front: Walking away from this movie, I felt a strong obligation that I should be nicer to people, all kinds of people, who I come across daily. Strange for such a dark movie no? But that's what made this movie so good and effective.

You see the potential consequences - on others, and on society - of cruel and unsympathetic behavior. That is why so many people hate this movie.

Intolerant and narcissistic people never want to consider the affect of their actions on others, they never want to consider that people acting a (deplorable) certain way, may be doing so for completely valid (but not justified) reasons. And yes, this person was white in this movie.

The media and celebrity class, symbolized by Robert DeNiro are absolutely excoriated in this movie, and they hate it for this reason. They soak up the praise of the common man, yet exploit the vulnerable at any moment for their own benefit. Joker's monologue at the end before killing DeNiro was spot on in this regard.

Almost every aspect of this movie was great. First off, the director took his time, and let the story and acting This was not a CG driven jerk fest with roided up super heroes in front of a green screen. The "action" in this movie was incredibly tame by today's standards, and you didn't feel overwhelmed visually, yet it was incredibly exciting at times. I think the director took a lot of risks here, both artistically and politically (more on that later). There were long, powerful, yet slightly awkward scenes to watch, where you were more or less forced into Arthur's tortured reality. I think the movie treated the audience like adults, and for this alone it was incredibly refreshing.

As for the messaging, to say that this movie was pushing leftist points is simply not true, unless you deliberately manipulating things you saw on the screen, or willingly ignoring the context of the movie

Arthur (Joker) lives in the PROJECTS (or slum/ghetto whatever). Guess who also lives there? Minorities. Single moms. They deliberately use this to emphasis how crappy his life is. How exactly is this minority worship?

One of the first scenes sees him getting teased, then beaten mercilessly by Puerto Rican youths. Arthur's coworker calls them savages, he meekly disagrees, yet still accepts a loaded gun to protect himself next time should that happen, so clearly he on some level is willing to fight back against such attacks on the future. So is that an exalted portrayal of minorities?

How about the time the fat black woman on the train is a total bitch to him for no reason?

As for the dating relationship with the single mom. He lives in the ghetto, surrounded by minorities and single moms, and she is the only person who ever so slightly flirts with him. After he murders 3 people he walks in her apartment like a boss and just kisses her without a word (at least in his head). He never puts up with her shit because there is none to begin with, in fact she's totally submissive to him in her body language. What's the problem here? He never makes ridiculous promises of raising her single kid. The kid is just kind of there (rarely in fact, never when they are out on dates for example), and also serves a purpose later of heightening the tension when he just walks in her apartment and scares them.

Minorities in this movie were treated neutrally, realistically, and it was so wonderfully refreshing to see that. And guess what, in NYC, most social workers will be black, barely attentive as they were in this movie. I forgot, he kills the second black social worker at the end of the movie....

Also, the movie absolutely condemns single motherhood! From the beginning you see how unhealthy the relationship is, how enabling it is, yet the movie goes much further, to see what absolutely horrendous, abusive woman she was, and plainly states it: diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, allowed her boyfriend to abuse Arthur while she stood by and did nothing.

I'm honestly surprised this theme got slipped under the radar like it did, showing the dangers of single moms. The dangers of lifelong long untreated mental illness, covered with over-medication as well. SO many great themes in this movie.

Joker is a sympathetic character, but certainly not aspirational for the audience.

Let's hope we get more of these kinds of movies.

Very good point on intolerant and narcissistic people. They can't bring themselves to see that doing shitty things to people will result in a backlash inevitably. I also agree with you on the media and celebrity class, they help stoke the flames.

Has anyone else noticed me besides me how much DC's movies get attacked relentlessly by SJW's?
11-10-2019 08:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Kurgan's post:
VNvet, bucky
Post Reply 


Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication