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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I went to see Joker tonight. My gf actually asked me to go because she 'heard it was good'.

My take:
- Not sure why this movie is so popular.
- Joaquim Phoenix is a good actor
- Some good cinematography, well put together. Some interesting scenes but not sure how it pulls you into the plot.
- I couldn't really find a decent or good character in the entire film, maybe Bruce Wayne, or the Black Single Mom, the midget was nice.
- Not really a great story line, I suppose its more of a character development but there didn't seem to be a protagonist/antagonist.
- There was a 5 year old Chinese family in front of us, the youngest kid must have been 5, with parents like this...

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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Admittedly I still need to see it to decide, but the impression I'm getting is that the praise isn't entirely unjustified.

Sometimes it's the case that if what you see in the mirror is ugly, it isn't the mirror that is the problem. The same is true for stories that attempt to reflect on the realities of the period in which they are set.

Quote:He's extremely gay. I mean: he lives alone with his mother at 40. He spends his days painting his weird face and lips with make up Dodgy . He dresses like Elton Flaming Fag John. He giggles all the time, sticks his mother's scissors into people's eyes, creeps sneakily on people, shoots them by surprise... Sure, he once fantasied about kissing a younger Halle Berry, but he doesn't act on it, it's just a passing vision in his confused gay head, post-murder.

Thing is, that isn't entirely unreal. There's quite a few people who are exactly like that. That is their reality aside from the stabbing and shooting parts....and they're only one bad episode away from that themselves.

As Coach RedPill points out in the video linked below: The current state of affairs is worse than having terrorists. The terrorist at least believes in something. The outcast nihilist believes in nothing. That makes them infinitely more chaotic and dangerous than the terrorist is.


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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
I too just returned from seeing it

Joker had better writing and acting than most current year movies but that is not saying much in the era of subverting expectations. There are a couple funny parts that happen during really dark moments. You find yourself laughing when horrible things are happening which was a neat little movie trick. It does put you in the joker's shoes a little bit.

Aside from those few moments I found most of the movie disturbing. I wasn't expecting all the murder, it wasn't Django Unchained style ridiculous violence, instead it was less gory but felt heavier. Comic book movies usually cut away from the worst parts. I was a little disgusted by it. There was a child abuse and mental health part of the story that was also hard to watch. Like others have commented I was bothered that there were children in the theater with me seeing it. Sometimes I felt a little bothered that I was seeing it.

I get the impression that the movie was inspired by the clown world meme and I think it effectively kills the meme. The honkler gimmicks will be associated with joker style awfulness everywhere soon. There wasn't anything sympathetic or heroic about the character. You feel some pity for his shitty life but only maladjusted people will identify with the joker character. Anyone caught celebrating clowns will be marked a sick weirdo due to this movie, I suspect. I'd stay away from clowns if you aren't interested in people looking at you like you're the next mass shooter.
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
The Joker lived long enough to finally see himself become the hero.

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(10-13-2019 12:10 AM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  The Joker lived long enough to finally see himself become the hero.

The interesting thing is that the SJWs and leftists working for Marvel comics have publicly said that they prefer to write villains, because they can identify better with them.

That is no circumstance - they like this meme of the oppressed hitting back against those evil evil law-abiding Western heroes.

They don't find it insane that they are essentially identifying with ultimate evil vs ultimate good - nah - those are relative, because according to them all morals are relative according to the current-day oppression pyramid.





And a mass-murdering Joker would indeed be viewed as a more sympathetic character than let's say the Thomas Wayne of the movie.
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(10-12-2019 10:14 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I went to see Joker tonight. My gf actually asked me to go because she 'heard it was good'.

My take:
- Not sure why this movie is so popular.
- Joaquim Phoenix is a good actor
- Some good cinematography, well put together. Some interesting scenes but not sure how it pulls you into the plot.
- I couldn't really find a decent or good character in the entire film, maybe Bruce Wayne, or the Black Single Mom, the midget was nice.
- Not really a great story line, I suppose its more of a character development but there didn't seem to be a protagonist/antagonist.
- There was a 5 year old Chinese family in front of us, the youngest kid must have been 5, with parents like this...

"- Not sure why this movie is so popular" : because internet boards and MSM told us all that it is a must-see, and a "rebel" movie. When it's just a sad, somber, déjà-vu and pointless movie.

"- I couldn't really find a decent or good character in the entire film, maybe Bruce Wayne, or the Black Single Mom, the midget was nice" : it's because Hollywood nowadays has a sacred principle, which is: never again to put on screen a decent, heroic Heterosexual not-tattooed non-Dwarf White Man (who's still sexually active).

Sure you might have, apparently, exceptions, like John Wick (first 2 movies, didn't see the last one) or Rambo, but note that both are NOT sexually active, either because they're old or grieving. As to mister Bond, he has been physically castrated by a Spaniard in a previous movie, so... Even Impossible Mission's Cruise, though a good character, seems uninterested in sex, beta-worrying and obsessing about his old ex-wife or dead past lovers.

The reason of all this is, of course, to diminish the appeal of Conservative-looking White men in the eyes of the women watching, plus, undermining the self-confidence of any young hetero White dude watching their movies.

Hollywood by the way is also covertly bad for Black men, as it now actively promotes homosexuality among Blacks (see the last Oscarized movie), and pedestalizes, in a most unhealthy way, "arrogant and independent" White women, while almost totally ignoring or desexualizing dark-skin women. Like, anything female and darker than Halle Berry, is unwelcome on Hollywood movies.

There's a reason why we have here an active thread on how Hollywood is Satanist. Don't give them your time or money. Instead: Download "old" US movies dating from before the ninetees, or watch, say Asian or Argentine or Russian movies. Those will, in general, make you a better person after you've watched them, they will teach you new data and things or promote good traditional values.
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Paul Watson did the best breakdown of why many coastal bloggers didn't like it (or pretended not to) that I've come across thus far.



Personally, I loved it and thought it was the best movie I've seen in the cinema in a very, very long time. It's an arthouse character study dressed up as a supervillain comic book movie to bring in as many people as possible. Honestly, the only politics in it are that huge wealth disparity isn't good for society. It shows the antifa-style mob to be unruly and casts them *and the authoritarian police* in a negative light - it's gotham city, after all. I mean, both Pheonix and Phillips have spoken out against 'woke' culture so the idea it's some SJW propoganda piece is only evident if you're trying your hardest to find it - like how SJWs find racism everywhere. Just my two cents. Honk.

Anyway, PJWs vid is a good analysis.

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I haven't seen the film, but spoilers ahead.

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Yep. Buy the ticket. Arrive in the last half hour or so. Watch that one bit then start clapping and laughing while you walk out of the cinema. Slap down fifteen bucks for the next session and go read a book for the next two hours.

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(10-13-2019 07:53 AM)Going strong Wrote:  As to mister Bond, he has been physically castrated by a Spaniard in a previous movie, so...

If you're referring to the torture scene in Casino Royale he wasn't castrated. Le Chiffre was getting ready to but White came in and killed him before he did it.

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(10-13-2019 10:06 AM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 07:53 AM)Going strong Wrote:  As to mister Bond, he has been physically castrated by a Spaniard in a previous movie, so...

If you're referring to the torture scene in Casino Royale he wasn't castrated. Le Chiffre was getting ready to but White came in and killed him before he did it.

Because of you, I actually had to double-check and watch again the Bond-torture movie scene online. Thanks for this (displeasure). Confused

So, well, you're partially right, it's not the No Country for Old Men, cattle-killing-device carrying Spaniard: the torturer is a shiny-faced expressionless dude (a Nazi for sure).

But, Bond indeed seems to be castrated in Casino. He receives numerous hits on his balls by a heavy object swinging on a rope. How many, I don't know, I quit watching after a few seconds (torture scenes are bad karma, unless it's Rambo pulling hearts out of rapist-Narcos' chests). But I remember that in the movie, Bond ends up in a wheelchair after this torture on his manhood. Certainly he's been castrated, which was the whole point of the new Bond movies. Making him a depressing tortured dude obsessed about his past and dating age appropriate strong women.

And yes, I see (bad SJW) politics everywhere in Hollywood movies, but guess what, it's because they are indeed 100% about politics and alt-Left propaganda. The whole 90 minutes of all of them, are to be decrypted as Politics. The Hollywood Left is unrelenting, 100% of the times, like the Devil itself they never tire or let go.
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
(10-13-2019 10:31 AM)Going strong Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 10:06 AM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 07:53 AM)Going strong Wrote:  As to mister Bond, he has been physically castrated by a Spaniard in a previous movie, so...

If you're referring to the torture scene in Casino Royale he wasn't castrated. Le Chiffre was getting ready to but White came in and killed him before he did it.

Because of you, I actually had to double-check and watch again the Bond-torture movie scene online. Thanks for this (displeasure). Confused

So, well, you're partially right, it's not the No Country for Old Men, cattle-killing-device carrying Spaniard: the torturer is a shiny-faced expressionless dude (a Nazi for sure).

But, Bond indeed seems to be castrated in Casino. He receives numerous hits on his balls by a heavy object swinging on a rope. How many, I don't know, I quit watching after a few seconds (torture scenes are bad karma, unless it's Rambo pulling hearts out of rapist-Narcos' chests). But I remember that in the movie, Bond ends up in a wheelchair after this torture on his manhood. Certainly he's been castrated, which was the whole point of the new Bond movies. Making him a depressing tortured dude obsessed about his past and dating age appropriate strong women.

And yes, I see (bad SJW) politics everywhere in Hollywood movies, but guess what, it's because they are indeed 100% about politics and alt-Left propaganda. The whole 90 minutes of all of them, are to be decrypted as Politics. The Hollywood Left is unrelenting, 100% of the times, like the Devil itself they never tire or let go.

If you watch the whole scene--Le Chiffre hits Bond in the balls with the rope 3-4 times, Bond doesn't give up the password, Le Chiffre pulls out a knife and threatens to cut Bond's balls off and then White comes in and shoots him before he has the chance to do so. (And I wouldn't read too much into the wheelchair, remember he was also in a catastrophic car wreck right before being captured and beaten.) I hate the direction they seem to be taking the franchise as much as the next guy but Bond definitely was not physically castrated in that movie.

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(10-12-2019 10:53 PM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  Aside from those few moments I found most of the movie disturbing. I wasn't expecting all the murder, it wasn't Django Unchained style ridiculous violence, instead it was less gory but felt heavier. Comic book movies usually cut away from the worst parts. I was a little disgusted by it. There was a child abuse and mental health part of the story that was also hard to watch. Like others have commented I was bothered that there were children in the theater with me seeing it. Sometimes I felt a little bothered that I was seeing it.

I noticed that too. The movie could have turned into some snuff slasher gorefest that relies on visceral images for the shock but they spaced out the violent scenes so you weren't getting constantly blasted with people getting killed - which meant the scenes where the Joker was murdering people ended up having more impact. *SPOILERS* The scene where he shoots the TV host had good build up right before the shooting. The audience already knew he was going to flip out and kill the host so being able to build up tension for that climax was a nice feat of directing/acting.
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Caulfield. Bickle. And now Joker.

They're writing the script for the 'rebel' - an atomized loser who lives in a fantasy land. He's a creep that stalks women, but pretends that he's a White Knight saving them, while waging war against relatively innocent people on his level whom he's deemed 'enemies'. Joker shoots the host, not the guy who owns the network. Bickle shoots the pimp, as if the basic bitch he was prostituing won't go find another pimp. Caulfield slouches through the slums, and gets creeped on by a gay school teacher - who nonetheless doesn't force himself on him.

This character goes wading into the slum, and is surprised to find unsavoury characters there. He then makes war on the unsavoury, as if doing so will validate his own pathetic nature, and turn him into one of the good guys. He's sexually impotent, yet obsessed with the female form. Obsessed with being the virtuous hero who gets the princess. But he only views women as objects in this path of validation - he never regards them as people who are making their own choices, but conditions which will redefine his nature. He's both a product of, and a justification for, feminism. He shows contempt towards women, never acknowledging their humanity.

I don't like phonies. I'm sick of the debauched culture. And I hate how atomized everything has become. But I've got nothing in common with Caulfield, Bickle, or the Joker. Sadly, though, I've seen many disaffected men who've embraced this trope, who've internalized it, and are living such a life of loserdom and resentiment. People think they're watching a movie about a rebel; they're learning the script of a loser.

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(Yesterday 11:35 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Caulfield. Bickle. And now Joker.

They're writing the script for the 'rebel' - an atomized loser who lives in a fantasy land. He's a creep that stalks women, but pretends that he's a White Knight saving them, while waging war against relatively innocent people on his level whom he's deemed 'enemies'. Joker shoots the host, not the guy who owns the network. Bickle shoots the pimp, as if the basic bitch he was prostituing won't go find another pimp. Caulfield slouches through the slums, and gets creeped on by a gay school teacher - who nonetheless doesn't force himself on him.

This character goes wading into the slum, and is surprised to find unsavoury characters there. He then makes war on the unsavoury, as if doing so will validate his own pathetic nature, and turn him into one of the good guys. He's sexually impotent, yet obsessed with the female form. Obsessed with being the virtuous hero who gets the princess. But he only views women as objects in this path of validation - he never regards them as people who are making their own choices, but conditions which will redefine his nature. He's both a product of, and a justification for, feminism. He shows contempt towards women, never acknowledging their humanity.

I don't like phonies. I'm sick of the debauched culture. And I hate how atomized everything has become. But I've got nothing in common with Caulfield, Bickle, or the Joker. Sadly, though, I've seen many disaffected men who've embraced this trope, who've internalized it, and are living such a life of loserdom and resentiment. People think they're watching a movie about a rebel; they're learning the script of a loser.

Be careful what you eat.

Thanks for putting this out there. The noses can't have young virile healthy strong men taking in true liberty and ideas from a character or representation on the screen because it is an almost spiritual push in the sphere of public interaction that would weaken the npcs and their string pullers. I could cite examples but Going Strong said it best that they will do everything they can to only put ugly, weak, beta, effeminate, physically inferior white men on the big screen. The last time I remember seeing a white male being the uninhibited dominant dog that he is on the big screen was American Psycho in 1998, Drive and Dredd were ok too, but there is always something lacking. There is no purist for red pill alpha males in the movie sphere, maybe more in the documentaries of rock stars and explorers and such you will find your inspirational lothario.

This portrayal of white males seems to have upped the ante following the limp-wristed push against trump, and those who support traditional life, kinship, and bonds of genetic similarities by all snowflake-kind is that same cry of fear that their true colors have been shown to the world. They know they have been revealed, they just try so hard to cover it up with hollywood propaganda and scripted news networks and communist-style think-tanks censoring public internet forums and websites. All they do is cover up, cover up, cover up. They cover up all the murders, ritualized and random, of blacks, latin americans, and middle easterners, on both themselves and on Europeans and their diaspora. They cover up all the relevant genetic data on IQ and violent tendencies and abilities to problem-solve. They cover up all health data on why gays are virus breeders.

This whole house of cards only supports itself because the boomers haven't died off yet, and the system is built on tiers to prevent itself from collapsing, just one vampiric vacuum from the old folks sucking their grand kids inheritance out of their oxygen tubes to the (((financial))) system that grows ever more monolithic to the shrinking channel of innovation and liberty.

A languished, slow, and labored passing, is that of America, not with a bang, not with a whimper, but with a terminal coma.

Perhaps we will at least see the death of hollywood in our lifetimes.

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Why didn't Arthur just use his white, straight male privilege card to go get hired at a tech firm or big bank? The left hates this movie because it depicts a straight white male without any oppression points as being a victim and having no easy way out. In their world, every white male backslaps their way to Wall Street or Silicon Valley, while beating up trannies, yelling the N word, and raping women in their spare time.
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RE: Is The Joker a psy-op?
Interesting perspective on the establishment's reaction (perhaps intentional/planned) to the movie:



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