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(10-15-2019 03:30 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  Looks like this thread is full of cringe takes from Boomers who simply don't get it. You either get Joker or you don't.

Fundamentally the movie is about isolation, bitterness, dissatisfaction, alienation. Joker is an expression of what we are feeling at this time. The film is about a straight white male who gets victimized and attacked by society, portrayed sympathetically (at least initially), and it shows how this makes him turn into a nihilistic monster.
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Watch the trailer for the film again, which has probably gathered more collective hours of viewing than the film itself.





Note the triumphant crescendo as he accepts becoming a sociopathic monster. His painful struggle up those long stairs and his wild and free descent down them into the abyss.

They gave you the whole film and the whole premise before the actual film as even released. It was one of the most watched trailers of all time and solidified how the story arc would be viewed and interpreted.

So watch the trailer again, and again if you have to, before you realise that they are portraying his decent into sociopathic violence as justified and magnificent.

You are being played.

The movie is pornography for impotent rage-aholics and I say that being honest about how much it would have appealed to me as little as 6 months ago.

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< Sure - but it is well done. I can appreciate some old Soviet movies for the cinematography, but obviously I understand the context.

Some guys who feel down on their luck like that guy do like it more and call it a character study. Sure - it may be even one, but they added a few propaganda points - evil rich White men (Thomas Wayne was always portrayed as a good man in the comics forsaking even his company preferring to work as a doctor letting his inherited company be led by other men without any major profit motive - portraying him as a "career doctor" is just stupid. What kind of "career" is that when you are born a billionaire? You would do that kind of job out of pure idealistic passion or interest.)

The movie is deconstructivist because it pulls good men like Thomas Wayne to the gutter, it adds 2 black POC state-issued wise counselors - that is propaganda too, then you have the brave wise black single mother as a romantic interest - again more propaganda point and the single mothers are not maligned in the movie when the black one is highly functional just as his own one is evil (and probably voting for Trump that goy bitch).

And no - it's not akin to SJWs seeing fake agenda everywhere like the feminists seeing phaliic symbols of the patriarchy in baguettes.

It's a deconstructivist movie filled with leftie propaganda and some token nods like the Puerto Rican gang in the beginning (it would in reality be more a black gang in the 1970s of NYC).

Phoenix is a great actor even if he is mentally challanged by now as a vegan, the (((director))) is good as well but clearly has the usual anti-Western anti-goy sentiment portrayed. Taxi driver was free from that - you just don't notice some agenda points any more because of the Captain Marvel sledgehammer method vs the old more insidious one.
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I guess I should respond to being cringed at.

I recommend you pull away from the internet drama bubble from time to time, it can provide a useful perspective. There is nothing anti establishment about this movie, it is not frightening any elites. Every large movie release is a product of establishment. All the hype surrounding this movie is marketing. Movies do the controversy as marketing gimmick all the time.

Clinging to movies as a voice to one's identity is stupid. White people idolizing the Joker is little different than when black people fell for Black Panther or the 4chan derps with their V for Vendetta masks. These are movies, you are being marketed to. If you tune out of the polarized culture war madness for a second and recognize the marketing forces at play then you are left with a pretty decent movie. All the criticisms about it as a movie are fair. See it if you want to.

I'm pretty sure everyone here gets it
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No one is idolizing the Joker. He is such a loser and so crazy that he is impossible to idolize.

I think it's the complete opposite, people need to step away from thinking everything has to be perfect.

The reason Joker sends the left into hysteria is precisely because it is a typical leftist product in the "humanizing a monster", "the person behind the monster" cliche, that the left has used for decades.

Why does the right continue to lose?

Because they refuse to understand the methods of playbook of the left. They refuse to understand this because they're arrogant and think that succeeding more visibly in life than the random leftist, also means that their group ideology is superior. Which it isn't. The left has far superior collective tacticts.

One of them is working to humanize the people who destroy right wing society (thugs, sexual freaks, antifa etc).

What does the average movie goer take away from Joker?

"Could that have been me if those were my circumstances?"

And that plants a seed.

Right wing people can keep losing until they understand how things actually work and what people actually respond to.
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Only CNN and SJWs go into hysteria over a movie like the Joker. No one wants to emulate the Joker.

The 1994 movie Natural Born killes had actual copycats - young couples going berserk over it, because the characters were somewhat cool. No one wants even to be the Joker because the end-stage of the comics of the crazy but successful criminal mastermind is just not there.
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Saw it with some friends for the second time tonight, liked it even better than I did the first time. Anyone who disliked Joker is objectively wrong.

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(10-17-2019 01:50 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Saw it with some friends for the second time tonight, liked it even better than I did the first time. Anyone who disliked Joker is objectively wrong.

I'm too worried about Hong Kong to enjoy Joker. Anyone that isn't is objectively Wong.

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(10-16-2019 12:25 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Right wing people can keep losing until they understand how things actually work and what people actually respond to.



People respond to different things. The right operates in a five-dimensional morality while the left operates in a two-dimensional morality (care and fairness).










That's the mistake right wingers make. They don't need to learn "what people actually respond to" but rather what other people respond to.
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Quote:I'm too worried about Hong Kong to enjoy Joker. Anyone that isn't is objectively Wong.

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Haven't seen the movie, although I generally like Jonathan Pageau's breakdown of symbolism in movies, so I thought some might enjoy this, it makes me want to see the movie to be honest.



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(10-16-2019 05:15 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Note the triumphant crescendo as he accepts becoming a sociopathic monster. His painful struggle up those long stairs and his wild and free descent down them into the abyss.

This quote made me think of The Exorcist, a movie I have not seen or thought of nor seen in 30+ years. It scared the shit out of me, especially as a newly lapsed Catholic/atheist.

The stairs, so I remember, were prominent in the movie. Up were a battle for the priests. Down was a descent into hell. The Jesuit who was the Exorcist tumbled down the stairs. The Catholic priest (non Jesuit, star of movie) who had lost his faith had a split second to take away the demon and also accept his faith in God instead threw himself out of the window and down the stairs.

Joker is crazy enough, and lacks faith enough, and is ego driven enough, to dance down the stairs instead, instead of throwing himself down them to his death? Looking at it like that, I don't think his dancing march down the stairs was a triumph/celebration. That said, I don't know whether I have this right. I am just surprised at what I remember based on this sentence I have quoted, and will watch both movies again.
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The descent is presented as triumphant by the director and perceived as such by the now-insane and utterly degraded Fleck. The audience is prompted to celebrate his descent into madness and violence as a triumphant escape from depression and an unfair society. Many will seek to emulate this on some level. So my final opinion is that this is indeed a psyop prompting disaffected white men (I'm going to stop calling them losers) to fall into a kind of violent isolated degradation where they feel free to lash out, but obviously not at anyone that really matters (which is to say: anyone in power).

How about a film where Fleck finds three or four other guys, starts lifting, eating right, and either turns to God or at worst enters into a brotherhood dedicated to rooting out the real enemies of his people and shooting them instead of an utterly replaceable media puppet?

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that movie to be made. Fight Club was about as close as we're going to get to that.

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(Yesterday 01:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The descent is presented as triumphant by the director and perceived as such by the now-insane and utterly degraded Fleck. The audience is prompted to celebrate his descent into madness and violence as a triumphant escape from depression and an unfair society. Many will seek to emulate this on some level. So my final opinion is that this is indeed a psyop prompting disaffected white men (I'm going to stop calling them losers) to fall into a kind of violent isolated degradation where they feel free to lash out, but obviously not at anyone that really matters (which is to say: anyone in power).

How about a film where Fleck finds three or four other guys, starts lifting, eating right, and either turns to God or at worst enters into a brotherhood dedicated to rooting out the real enemies of his people and shooting them instead of an utterly replaceable media puppet?

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that movie to be made. Fight Club was about as close as we're going to get to that.

With the right preparation, guidance, and fellowship this kind of development will never need to be made into a movie, it will be realized in and of itself.

Fight Club was about halfway there. The men found meaning in their life of which all meaning was robbed from them in a sterile corporate existence where no one could really test their limits or grow. Then they formed project mayhem and actually made a difference in removing power from the soulless entity that was their "society". In the movie the plot was to bomb credit card companies so that the debt record would be erase, freeing everyone, whereas in the book it was a Museum (though not sure what benefit this would be to people unless it was a modern art museum). What Fight Club missed was the part where the goal was almost Hegelian in that it was chaotic, anarcho-primitivism, neo-luddism, and oddly enough a nihilistic version of esoteric spirituality, this kind of combination is not long term planning. After bringing down the house, most men will revert to kill or be killed, and without proper guidance or direction or inclination to form bonds or groups nothing will have been gained.

Joker is a step further away from that in that instead of men finding one another to bond, man instead embraces his madness and his descent and gives in to his weaker side. In the growth of the Joker character it was eventually alluded to that him and Batman suffered similar traumas, we know Bats was his parents murder in cold blood which he had to endure as a child, while Joker's was often shown as either some combination of a botched robbery gone wrong where he fell into a chemical vat at a plant and something to do with him losing his wife and unborn child, but that's beside the point.

The point Joker tries to make is that it could take one bad day to drive the sanest man alive to insanity and madness. The paths diverge where Batman embraced the suffering and projected his guilt and hatred for injustice outwardly by attempting to fix crime and corruption, while the Joker saw it all as a big joke and how all lives were just walking skeletons, toys to be played with. Since the comics were originally created by Jews or with Rabbinic influence I'm not entirely certain if I could root for either path as I know the truth, but this caricatured duality fits into a Hegelian model of Order v. Chaos, the same damn duality we see represented in everything. By shifting the mores of society to root for the Joker, even unintentionally, it will create, in the end, more chaos that is necessary to bring in more order, thus ensuring their continual control over matters of state and commerce.

When you study reality and human interactions, you understand that there is a great deal more than these two flip sides of a coin and that the choices of which path to go often resemble a polyhedral more so than something as dualistic and simple as order and chaos. The problem is that without chaos, the elites could not have their order. Without chaos, there would be no legitimacy for the NWO ad infinitum. This is how they operate, constantly. Like flies to shit, they vomit in order to consume, to keep their pestilence-ridden schema enduring upon humanity's broken back.

Most DC and Marvel comics color this dialectic and bring to to light to plant seeds, to distract, and to rid your mind of your own peoples history, under the guise of entertainment, and entertain it certainly does.

There is only a few groups of humans who have collected their history and have preserved it for thousands of years. The Jews, the Chinese, and the Indians, among a few other known and unknown peoples who have made some modicum of advancement from oblivion. Roosh's own people have a much more rich and interesting history than the Jews, part of the reason why there is eternal enmity between the two. There are a lot more older and far more interesting bloodlines of humanity than any of these comic book tales, and that is what we all should be focusing on, a return to our roots, our genetic memories, our legends, our heroes, our falls, and who is responsible for robbing us of what is ours through our blood.

You can't cheat nature.
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