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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
If being on dating apps in the USA this past year has taught me anything it is the truth behind the age old saying that if a woman is single after (about) the age of 26 there it is for a good reason.

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(10-14-2019 02:27 PM)Nefarias Wrote:  Truth is, there is no solution. Once you swallow the redpill you just cant be truly happy ever again.

Every time I like a girl, I'm trying so fucking hard to not see her character flaws, her shallow mind etc. Just to be happy for a few weeks and "love" her and feel loved. But I cant trick my brain into being ignorant - once you get to the stage where you experinced/have knowledge of how things work, I get more depressed and angry on myself - why cant I just be clueless and happy. Every fucking time I take her to a dinner or spend money on her I think "she fucked some guy for a 5 dollar drink, why should I buy her gifts and shit?" shit, sometimes it was me who fucked her after few drinks and now she is acting like a princess talking about "one day I want a guy thats gonna buy me a diamond ring" (that really happened to me, I was fucking speechless - I rawdoged her like 5 minutes ago knowing her for 2 hours and she tells me how she only dates guys after 6 months of "friendship" - poor guy who ends up wifing her up) Every time some girl does that stupid "omg you are so awesome thank you" teehee bullshit I feel angry and tricked for doing something for her. I spend my time with her just because she has a pussy, and I feel weak and stupid for that.

But what else is there for a man? Travel and fuck sluts gets old quickly but what are the alternatives? Get married, work 50h/w, have kids, divorce, burnout from work, depression, regret, die? Honestly sometimes I hate redpill. Killed my happiness in life. Gotta get religious and change my mindset I think.


Looks like someone overdosed on black pill.
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(10-14-2019 02:27 PM)Nefarias Wrote:  Every time I like a girl, I'm trying so fucking hard to not see her character flaws, her shallow mind etc. Just to be happy for a few weeks and "love" her and feel loved. But I cant trick my brain into being ignorant - once you get to the stage where you experinced/have knowledge of how things work, I get more depressed and angry on myself - why cant I just be clueless and happy. Every fucking time I take her to a dinner or spend money on her I think "she fucked some guy for a 5 dollar drink, why should I buy her gifts and shit?" shit, sometimes it was me who fucked her after few drinks and now she is acting like a princess talking about "one day I want a guy thats gonna buy me a diamond ring" (that really happened to me, I was fucking speechless - I rawdoged her like 5 minutes ago knowing her for 2 hours and she tells me how she only dates guys after 6 months of "friendship" - poor guy who ends up wifing her up) Every time some girl does that stupid "omg you are so awesome thank you" teehee bullshit I feel angry and tricked for doing something for her. I spend my time with her just because she has a pussy, and I feel weak and stupid for that.

Your problem is fornication. Remove it and see a girl for who she is really is. Don't waste time on dinners or other useless leisure, as these tell you nothing and get into more challenging and interesting activities together to see how she handles herself and how she follows your lead.

For a proper relationship the vagina is the least important part of a girl. First and foremost you need to look for the happy gene. Then give it some time to see if you develop some chemistry (no, 5 "dates" might not be enough). In the end love is a decision to love the flaws of the other person as well. If you cannot do that, you will never be in a functioning LTR.
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(10-14-2019 02:27 PM)Nefarias Wrote:  Truth is, there is no solution. Once you swallow the redpill you just cant be truly happy ever again.

Every time I like a girl, I'm trying so fucking hard to not see her character flaws, her shallow mind etc. Just to be happy for a few weeks and "love" her and feel loved. But I cant trick my brain into being ignorant - once you get to the stage where you experinced/have knowledge of how things work, I get more depressed and angry on myself - why cant I just be clueless and happy. Every fucking time I take her to a dinner or spend money on her I think "she fucked some guy for a 5 dollar drink, why should I buy her gifts and shit?" shit, sometimes it was me who fucked her after few drinks and now she is acting like a princess talking about "one day I want a guy thats gonna buy me a diamond ring" (that really happened to me, I was fucking speechless - I rawdoged her like 5 minutes ago knowing her for 2 hours and she tells me how she only dates guys after 6 months of "friendship" - poor guy who ends up wifing her up) Every time some girl does that stupid "omg you are so awesome thank you" teehee bullshit I feel angry and tricked for doing something for her. I spend my time with her just because she has a pussy, and I feel weak and stupid for that.

But what else is there for a man? Travel and fuck sluts gets old quickly but what are the alternatives? Get married, work 50h/w, have kids, divorce, burnout from work, depression, regret, die? Honestly sometimes I hate redpill. Killed my happiness in life. Gotta get religious and change my mindset I think.

Definitely, I've put in a prayer for you.

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(10-14-2019 10:05 AM)questor70 Wrote:  The most interesting were women who never married and never had kids. These were the types who had seen the world and done a bunch of things, so they had tales and time on their hands. The problem is they never settled down because they were some shade of crazy.

I think everyone has two kinds of a type, a physical type and a personality type. In the past I used to barrel through as long as she passed the physical criteria but now I know when she won't click any farther than the initial stages when both sides are always on their best behavior.

Here it is.

The real question is, at this point, is online even as a supplement worth anything? It is a serious question. I think in other countries with a niche crowd (family oriented, feminine, your look or type, etc.) it could be. I think mostly now, though, we know the goods are all out in the "real world" and pretty much assign a value via some sort of social circle.

Even from its onset, online was always a short term prospect. The problem is that beyond 2014, you couldn't really get good looking girls on apps anymore --- certainly any that would actually meet up.

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(10-14-2019 02:27 PM)Nefarias Wrote:  But what else is there for a man? Travel and fuck sluts gets old quickly but what are the alternatives? Get married, work 50h/w, have kids, divorce, burnout from work, depression, regret, die? Honestly sometimes I hate redpill. Killed my happiness in life. Gotta get religious and change my mindset I think.

All of this shit will go through your mind bro. I'm an optimist, but I have my frustrations and rants occasionally (hey, even the prophets and saints complained, trust me), and I guess that's why I was laughing when I read this post.

Getting to know God will change your focus but will also make you realize how hard denying yourself is and what suffering is in a different way. Let's put it this way --- this culture ain't gonna teach girls to be better people. So we need to change our focus. I would argue the biggest challenge is that as someone who knows the red pill and is getting older you want to do what is right for a girl, a family, etc. but the culture tries with all of its might to stop you and your virtuous intent. Another form of suffering.

But it's ok, we will get through it.

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(10-14-2019 02:50 PM)wwtl Wrote:  Your problem is fornication. Remove it and see a girl for who she is really is. Don't waste time on dinners or other useless leisure, as these tell you nothing and get into more challenging and interesting activities together to see how she handles herself and how she follows your lead.

For a proper relationship the vagina is the least important part of a girl. First and foremost you need to look for the happy gene. Then give it some time to see if you develop some chemistry (no, 5 "dates" might not be enough). In the end love is a decision to love the flaws of the other person as well. If you cannot do that, you will never be in a functioning LTR.

This advice is wise. I must say though, if I met a girl with qualities that I considered worthy of being my wife, I wouldn't pursue such aims. I can say that for a subset of us (and I'm not proud of this), putting sex forward was always more about her not having qualities that were worth sticking around for. In fact, that's the very point of it all ... you're looking for the girl where you're like, "Ehh, I don't care if I bang her soon because I actually like her". There's a balance to all of this, but by definition she shouldn't be allowing you to do that anyway if she is quality ... I guess that's why so many let you, lol --- they just don't have much to offer. Sorry for more black pill.
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(10-14-2019 02:50 PM)wwtl Wrote:  For a proper relationship the vagina is the least important part of a girl. First and foremost you need to look for the happy gene. Then give it some time to see if you develop some chemistry (no, 5 "dates" might not be enough). In the end love is a decision to love the flaws of the other person as well. If you cannot do that, you will never be in a functioning LTR.

What you're describing is really only half of the equation. Where are women who will be receptive to this sort of slow-burn courtship to be found? Because if you come to the table playing the wrong hand all you're going to get is friend-zoned.

(10-14-2019 06:40 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  beyond 2014, you couldn't really get good looking girls on apps anymore --- certainly any that would actually meet up.

It's not really about appearance as much as attitude.

What I find is that even women who enter into dating apps with the intention of finding LTRs wind up becoming serial-daters. The best first-dates I tended to have were with women who were brand new to these apps and therefore not yet jaded by pump-and-dumps or overwhelmed with the paradox of choice. But once they've been through the cycle a few times it sort of sucks the soul out from them and they just keep going through the motions like lifeless zombies playing musical-chairs. I know this because dating war stories always wind up coming up during the first-date. It may be a no-no, but if I don't bring it up, they do.

I also know they are in purgatory because I see their profiles keep revolving over and over again, across every single app, sort of like a clearance item that won't sell. Might be the pot calling the kettle black I suppose but that's the vibe I get over time. I'm looking for more or less a narrow demographic and there are a finite number of women around, so it's like a card game of concentration watching the same faces pop up again and again, month after month, year after year. I even had one women match me again after I had already gone on a bad first date with her. She had somehow forgotten the date and yet, perhaps due to her desperation, matched again.
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(10-14-2019 07:09 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 02:50 PM)wwtl Wrote:  Your problem is fornication. Remove it and see a girl for who she is really is. Don't waste time on dinners or other useless leisure, as these tell you nothing and get into more challenging and interesting activities together to see how she handles herself and how she follows your lead.

For a proper relationship the vagina is the least important part of a girl. First and foremost you need to look for the happy gene. Then give it some time to see if you develop some chemistry (no, 5 "dates" might not be enough). In the end love is a decision to love the flaws of the other person as well. If you cannot do that, you will never be in a functioning LTR.

This advice is wise. I must say though, if I met a girl with qualities that I considered worthy of being my wife, I wouldn't pursue such aims. I can say that for a subset of us (and I'm not proud of this), putting sex forward was always more about her not having qualities that were worth sticking around for. In fact, that's the very point of it all ... you're looking for the girl where you're like, "Ehh, I don't care if I bang her soon because I actually like her". There's a balance to all of this, but by definition she shouldn't be allowing you to do that anyway if she is quality ... I guess that's why so many let you, lol --- they just don't have much to offer. Sorry for more black pill.

If the man expects virtue from a girl, he has to show it himself. If you focus on pleasure seeking and instant gratification, you're going to meet these "qualities" in a girl as well.

You can't tell if someone is worthy being a wife without spending an extended amount of time with her while cutting out fornication. And once you figured that out, the next medium-term goal should be signing the papers to knock her up.

It's important that this kind of courtship needs not to be confused with orbiting: If a girl isn't into you at all, she obviously isn't going to be your wife. And if you catch one-itis, you can't properly assess her anyway. So it's about denying yourself when she wants and does allow it, not the other way around.
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wwtl,

We may be saying the same thing here, or I'm just in a different situation with different challenges.

(10-14-2019 08:00 PM)questor70 Wrote:  What you're describing is really only half of the equation. Where are women who will be receptive to this sort of slow-burn courtship to be found? Because if you come to the table playing the wrong hand all you're going to get is friend-zoned.

I definitely identify with this; the better looking girls in the west with options feel, in my opinion, that if you don't have a clear and early spark that you're "not the one" or some BS. Thus, you get friend-zoned. Courtship isn't part of the culture. This is the problem, the culture.

I can tell if a woman is worthy of being a wife physically, which is why I don't consider that many girls. Very few are good looking enough or young enough to be bothered with. I'm sad to say it, but it's true. And no, I'm not looking for models or anything, whatever that means.

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(10-14-2019 08:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  This is the problem, the culture.

Exactly. I know it's a chicken and the egg problem but IMHO the change has to start with women, not men--and there's no incentive whatsoever for them to change. If you go into dates acting like George Bailey, even the so-called good girls will think you're weak and supplicating, not romantic.





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(10-14-2019 08:00 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 06:40 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  beyond 2014, you couldn't really get good looking girls on apps anymore --- certainly any that would actually meet up.

It's not really about appearance as much as attitude.

What I find is that even women who enter into dating apps with the intention of finding LTRs wind up becoming serial-daters. The best first-dates I tended to have were with women who were brand new to these apps and therefore not yet jaded by pump-and-dumps or overwhelmed with the paradox of choice. But once they've been through the cycle a few times it sort of sucks the soul out from them and they just keep going through the motions like lifeless zombies playing musical-chairs. I know this because dating war stories always wind up coming up during the first-date. It may be a no-no, but if I don't bring it up, they do.

I also know they are in purgatory because I see their profiles keep revolving over and over again, across every single app, sort of like a clearance item that won't sell. Might be the pot calling the kettle black I suppose but that's the vibe I get over time. I'm looking for more or less a narrow demographic and there are a finite number of women around, so it's like a card game of concentration watching the same faces pop up again and again, month after month, year after year. I even had one women match me again after I had already gone on a bad first date with her. She had somehow forgotten the date and yet, perhaps due to her desperation, matched again.

I've seen that play out myself. All my Tinder successes have been with girls new to the app. The 'purgatory' analogy is good, and I definitely sense a lot of girls who get 'stuck' on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge - not meeting anyone, just swiping because their life feels mundane and without option are heavily depressed. I think, because women's sexuality is largely based on perceived status it goes hand in hand with environment. So a girl who (in her opinion) works a shit job, in a shit town and resents her life; starts to view those around her in the same manner - including the men. If those men share the same circumstances as her, then they must be low status and hence unattractive.

Alternatively, when girls get excited about anything, they ascribe value to it in their lives and often over assign status and attractiveness to the people who fit in with it. Something as simple as wanting to move to a new exciting town from her homely village. Suddenly all the new guys she meets living there are high value and exciting to her. Whereas if they had been met the week before in her hometown, they wouldn't have gotten a second look.

I think that in essence is at the root of the current dating and travel craze so present in young women. Sometimes, it's only by manipulating a change in environment that they can allow themselves to feel sexual desire for the men around them.
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Bro, do you even lift?

Looks get you matches but you still have to close.

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Not sure what's up with Tinder anymore. It's absolutely useless.

Back when Tinder came out I was crushing it on there and numerous American chicks lined up, sometimes multiple per day.

Now... Radio silence. I spent an entire weekend just wasting my time on this app.

Maybe God is telling me something.
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(10-14-2019 08:00 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 02:50 PM)wwtl Wrote:  For a proper relationship the vagina is the least important part of a girl. First and foremost you need to look for the happy gene. Then give it some time to see if you develop some chemistry (no, 5 "dates" might not be enough). In the end love is a decision to love the flaws of the other person as well. If you cannot do that, you will never be in a functioning LTR.

What you're describing is really only half of the equation. Where are women who will be receptive to this sort of slow-burn courtship to be found? Because if you come to the table playing the wrong hand all you're going to get is friend-zoned.

(10-14-2019 08:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  wwtl,

We may be saying the same thing here, or I'm just in a different situation with different challenges.

(10-14-2019 08:00 PM)questor70 Wrote:  What you're describing is really only half of the equation. Where are women who will be receptive to this sort of slow-burn courtship to be found? Because if you come to the table playing the wrong hand all you're going to get is friend-zoned.

I definitely identify with this; the better looking girls in the west with options feel, in my opinion, that if you don't have a clear and early spark that you're "not the one" or some BS. Thus, you get friend-zoned. Courtship isn't part of the culture. This is the problem, the culture.

I can tell if a woman is worthy of being a wife physically, which is why I don't consider that many girls. Very few are good looking enough or young enough to be bothered with. I'm sad to say it, but it's true. And no, I'm not looking for models or anything, whatever that means.

(10-14-2019 09:03 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 08:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  This is the problem, the culture.

Exactly. I know it's a chicken and the egg problem but IMHO the change has to start with women, not men--and there's no incentive whatsoever for them to change. If you go into dates acting like George Bailey, even the so-called good girls will think you're weak and supplicating, not romantic.





They all want Chad. They just think they can tame him.

It's pretty black-pilled to make the issue about the girls and the culture. For me it's about frame. When it is strong enough, you draw a girl into it. Asking women to change first isn't really red-pilled as well.

I'm convinced you can get almost any girl into "slow-burning courtship", if you get her hooked on it.

But first we get the questions out of the way: Obviously George Bailey's frame is complete BS, as anything which comes out of Hollywood, that propaganda is not worth discussing any further. We are also not talking about how a needy loser meets a girl, who isn't attracted to him at all, but he doesn't get it and thinks by orbiting her long enough, she is going to change. That's the friend-zone.

It looks like we're at a loss here how to play "courtship game": How to keep a girl interested without escalating ASAP into her pussy. Obviously it's important that you don't behave like her girlfriends. Presenting her a masculine man with virtue all the time is a basic requirement, just as having basic attraction is. If she isn't interested in you as a sexual being, you can save yourself the effort.

So that makes it important how you spend time with girls. Everything Hollywood and the culture tells you about how you spend time with girls ("dating") is complete useless bullshit for sure. The thing is that most men don't know any other ways to spend time with them and I admit I'm just figuring it out myself as well. (Well, I'm a musician, I have some things to do with girls.)

Just as in the beginning of the fornication game era, there are no ready-made guides available yet. The problem is that those guides contain empiric knowledge acquired by collecting hundreds of notches, which won't work if one set takes 6-12 months to complete (and might be the only one you ever do in life). This is why married boomer advice is so useless. And from my very limited experience taught by the Lord I can tell already, that there are certain rules at play in the process like never meet alone and keep under the radar in the early phases, that there is a certain stretched out push-pull dynamic at work and that you fucked up if you crossed a boundary to quick, because there is no way back (from the fornication path) once you did.

I think we in the West are simply looking into regaining lost knowledge about a game nobody knows anymore how to play.
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Was typing out a long-winded post but it's better just to ask directly.

I am honestly confused. Why are a group of men who for many years disavowed marriage (because of a biased legal system) and long term relationships (because of female hypergamy) suddenly want those things?

Maybe after hundreds of notches you've come to the realization that hookups leave you empty and strong relationships matter the most. I don't disagree. But knowing as much as you do about women, how this a goal? In this culture? And with this generation of women?

You've been through it all, you've probably seduced dozens of taken women. You know how they work. You knew when you were hooking up with them that you're just a flavor of the week and that soon another guy who's slightly better than you will show up and leave with her.

So why revert back pre-game beginnings? Hypergamy can't be broken.

Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong.
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(10-15-2019 01:18 AM)Kungfu Wrote:  I am honestly confused. Why are a group of men who for many years disavowed marriage (because of a biased legal system) and long term relationships (because of female hypergamy) suddenly want those things?

Maybe after hundreds of notches you've come to the realization that hookups leave you empty and strong relationships matter the most. I don't disagree. But knowing as much as you do about women, how this a goal? In this culture? And with this generation of women?

It's the next level challenge. Close to impossible to pull off for a white man in the 21st century.

Remember what used to be close to impossible to pull off when being that AFC in high school?
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(10-14-2019 11:51 PM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm convinced you can get almost any girl into "slow-burning courtship", if you get her hooked on it.

Which at present is a matter of faith because there are no success stories to be had here, unlike before with PUA.
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(10-14-2019 09:04 PM)mr-ed209 Wrote:  ...it's only by manipulating a change in environment that they can allow themselves to feel sexual desire for the men around them.

Unlike men, most women have no true solitary hobbies (social media doesn't count). Women are social oriented but that social contact doesn't necessarily mean intimacy, just that it involves interacting with other people. The majority of women engaging with online dating, even those who put "no hookups" and other qualifiers in their profiles, are really looking at dating as a form of recreation and escape. They may not be consciously aware of this but that's their primary drive.

This is why dates are so closely associated with the weekend, nightlife, and intoxication. While you want to have fun on a date, sharing a fun activity has a way of making ANYBODY you're with seem like a good partner, even if you know almost nothing about them. I've seen this play out myself. This is exactly why the early stages of any relationship are a poor indicator of long-term success. What you have is an activity partner, and yes, sex can become just another shared recreational activity.
10-15-2019 09:24 AM
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(10-15-2019 08:49 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 11:51 PM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm convinced you can get almost any girl into "slow-burning courtship", if you get her hooked on it.

Which at present is a matter of faith because there are no success stories to be had here, unlike before with PUA.

Yeah, that is the problem. We can't have single persons amassing "success stories", because a success story means, that there are no followups to it. So the only way to get a substantial amount of empirical evidence is to crowdsource it.

One thing I can tell already from experience: It's not like boomer churchians think and tell that you make some meandering "friendship" first, which somehow by magic suddenly turns into a marriage. For me "slow-burning courtship" feels a pretty specific process distinctively different from a friendship requiring tight logistics to not lose sight during the long no contact phases (which seem to be important). I will write it up a story, if I manage to pull something off.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(10-15-2019 09:38 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 08:49 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 11:51 PM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm convinced you can get almost any girl into "slow-burning courtship", if you get her hooked on it.

Which at present is a matter of faith because there are no success stories to be had here, unlike before with PUA.

Yeah, that is the problem. We can't have single persons amassing "success stories", because a success story means, that there are no followups to it. So the only way to get a substantial amount of empirical evidence is to crowdsource it.

One thing I can tell already from experience: It's not like boomer churchians think and tell that you make some meandering "friendship" first, which somehow by magic suddenly turns into a marriage. For me "slow-burning courtship" feels a pretty specific process distinctively different from a friendship requiring tight logistics to not lose sight during the long no contact phases (which seem to be important). I will write it up a story, if I manage to pull something off.

Reality TV shows, "bring up bates" and whatever the Duggars show is, have very well defined courtships. They are both super conservative christian families with a ton of kids each.

Those kids 'court' and get married and start popping out kids right away. Most end up matched pretty well in terms of SMV/looks as well.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(10-15-2019 09:52 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 09:38 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 08:49 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 11:51 PM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm convinced you can get almost any girl into "slow-burning courtship", if you get her hooked on it.

Which at present is a matter of faith because there are no success stories to be had here, unlike before with PUA.

Yeah, that is the problem. We can't have single persons amassing "success stories", because a success story means, that there are no followups to it. So the only way to get a substantial amount of empirical evidence is to crowdsource it.

One thing I can tell already from experience: It's not like boomer churchians think and tell that you make some meandering "friendship" first, which somehow by magic suddenly turns into a marriage. For me "slow-burning courtship" feels a pretty specific process distinctively different from a friendship requiring tight logistics to not lose sight during the long no contact phases (which seem to be important). I will write it up a story, if I manage to pull something off.

Reality TV shows, "bring up bates" and whatever the Duggars show is, have very well defined courtships. They are both super conservative christian families with a ton of kids each.

Those kids 'court' and get married and start popping out kids right away. Most end up matched pretty well in terms of SMV/looks as well.

That's nice if you have such a family background. However my approach is basically this one:




In the end it's the only one which works guaranteed.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Maybe OP just got older and didnt keep up with the competition. Because for many people including myself it's as good as it's ever been. Hit the gym get swole make money and dress better brah
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(10-13-2019 01:53 PM)Kungfu Wrote:  I am utterly clueless. Someone try and sell me on the idea of women. What's so god damn good about them?

I'm fond of their vaginas.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(10-14-2019 02:27 PM)Nefarias Wrote:  Truth is, there is no solution. Once you swallow the redpill you just cant be truly happy ever again.

Every time I like a girl, I'm trying so fucking hard to not see her character flaws, her shallow mind etc. Just to be happy for a few weeks and "love" her and feel loved. But I cant trick my brain into being ignorant - once you get to the stage where you experinced/have knowledge of how things work, I get more depressed and angry on myself - why cant I just be clueless and happy. Every fucking time I take her to a dinner or spend money on her I think "she fucked some guy for a 5 dollar drink, why should I buy her gifts and shit?" shit, sometimes it was me who fucked her after few drinks and now she is acting like a princess talking about "one day I want a guy thats gonna buy me a diamond ring" (that really happened to me, I was fucking speechless - I rawdoged her like 5 minutes ago knowing her for 2 hours and she tells me how she only dates guys after 6 months of "friendship" - poor guy who ends up wifing her up) Every time some girl does that stupid "omg you are so awesome thank you" teehee bullshit I feel angry and tricked for doing something for her. I spend my time with her just because she has a pussy, and I feel weak and stupid for that.

But what else is there for a man? Travel and fuck sluts gets old quickly but what are the alternatives? Get married, work 50h/w, have kids, divorce, burnout from work, depression, regret, die? Honestly sometimes I hate redpill. Killed my happiness in life. Gotta get religious and change my mindset I think.

Ecclesiastes 1:18

For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.


Truer words have never been spoken. What are the "pills" but pathways that a person takes in acquiring wisdom.
Whether it is red, black or God pill, once you take off the glasses what you said becomes true.

Sometimes I truly envy the NPC for being stuck in a blissful, pre programmed bubble.
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