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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(10-15-2019 04:47 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  Sometimes I truly envy the NPC for being stuck in a blissful, pre programmed bubble.

I don't. The NPC has inner demons, trust me. No fervor for life. I get frustrated at times, but in a healthy way. Where there is frustration, there is fervor my friend.

But you are right about wisdom, as long as you are doing what is right --- it is a type of suffering knowing what you must do. But it is a type of freedom as well.

I will redirect, because wwtl doesn't understand my drift here. It is not black pill to talk about how poor western women are on average, it is red pill. What's more, why would I want to slow burn or court a girl I'm not instantly attracted to, in some way? My report is that this is the case. Will that take a younger girl who in lieu of the "rating" is young and thus more attractive? Sure.

Either way, to get into a better culture where we don't have to deal with all manner of clown world, both the women and said culture is, I'm sad to say, away from our stable, fine lands. Which means one thing:

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When the gender dynamics that affect social media and dating sites move in to LinkedIn, then the early years of a young man’s career will become harder.

My LinkedIn feed is already displaying this.

Don't spend all your energy on sex and all your money on women; they have destroyed kings. (Proverbs 31:3 GNB)
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1. What in the hell are religious and virtuous guys doing on tinder? It’s a waste of your time.
2. If you attempted online dating and it has proven to be worthless for you please let it go. Walk out your house and cold approach a woman you fancy physically. A presentable man still does pretty well cold approaching but the problem is a lot of you guys want success the easy way. Very few presentable men have the nerve to approach a strange woman. Use that to your advantage
3. Quite a bit of you gentlemen seemed blackpilled but not really. Meaning you accept the realities of life, but not the true nature of women. Since the beginning of time men have successfully managed to govern women’s sexual desires and general autonomy. Those days are behind us and women are revealing their true nature. It’s not that their nature is bad per se it’s simply different than our bluepilled expectations. It’s not so much that men need to look for virgins and overly pious women, they simply need to find a woman that places value on her body and doesn’t feel like every Tom Dick and Chad deserves it. Conversely, she doesn’t feel compelled to experience every handsome dude that crosses her path. It’s literally that simple.
10-16-2019 01:37 PM
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"they simply need to find a woman that places value on her body and doesn’t feel like every Tom Dick and Chad deserves it."

Simply... Yes, so simple.

I await personal anecdotes from those who claim to have found said unicorn in the developed world...with much anticipation.
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(10-16-2019 11:13 PM)questor70 Wrote:  "they simply need to find a woman that places value on her body and doesn’t feel like every Tom Dick and Chad deserves it."

Simply... Yes, so simple.

I await personal anecdotes from those who claim to have found said unicorn in the developed world...with much anticipation.

Gonna be a long wait.
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Zenta and questor, your responses are typical of what quaker just wrote, men want it the easy way, and it's easier to claim that it's too hard then to step out of your comfort zone or do some hard work to become a more desirable man. When's the last time either of you went somewhere out in the real world and talked to a seemingly good woman with the intentions of dating her?
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
I await that answer too aeroektar lol. In my experience women don't "give their bodies away to ever tom dick and chad". Go to a bar and try to fornicate with a fat "bar slut" (low smv). Good luck. **I am not advising to seek casual sex, simply making the point it isnt easy, even with seemingly "low smv" women.**

Maybe they do have a 40 n count. Theyve had 3000 offers. Thats less than 1%. How many guys here would turn down 99% of the offers they got from women?

I know this is an unpopular opinion here but I think there are many amazing women in the US. You need to find them and capture their minds and they will purr the same as a 3rd world village chick.
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(10-17-2019 07:12 AM)tr1cky Wrote:  I await that answer too aeroektar lol. In my experience women don't "give their bodies away to ever tom dick and chad". Go to a bar and try to fornicate with a fat "bar slut" (low smv). Good luck. **I am not advising to seek casual sex, simply making the point it isnt easy, even with seemingly "low smv" women.**

Maybe they do have a 40 n count. Theyve had 3000 offers. Thats less than 1%. How many guys here would turn down 99% of the offers they got from women?

I know this is an unpopular opinion here but I think there are many amazing women in the US. You need to find them and capture their minds and they will purr the same as a 3rd world village chick.

I wholly concur. I live in Washington DC and I often here complaints on this board about how hard it is to land a decent women out here. This couldn't be any further from the truth for me. There are plenty of quality women here who aren't enveloped in app culture. The hardest part about Washington is meeting women between 22-28 without going to clubs, if younger chicks are your thing. Outside of this small hurdle it's relatively easy.

I have a gorgeous Croatian friend with an 80+ body count. Believe it or not she isn't a complete waste of skin. She acquired most of those bodies when she was a fat ass living in Croatia and sought validation because of her low self esteem. Since moving to the states she's lost 75lbs. She would honestly be a great wife to some bastard. That said, there isn't a chance in hell I would deal with her long term. Not because I have a fear of her potentially cheating on me, but because Im frankly not mature enough to get past the fact 80 men have been with the woman I would marry.

My point is there are plenty of good, fit and attractive women in this country. The question I always ask is if you require an above average mate are you in fact above average? Are you an outta shape guy pining over fit women? Are you intellectually shallow man lusting after an erudite woman? Do you long for a traditonal feminine woman, but aren't MASCULINE enough to approach such a woman when presented with te option?
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Quaker, the only point I would make in regards to your "you want an above average woman, are you above average yourself?" would be that women dont value the same things men do. They dont care too much if youre fit, intellectually shallow, or have a big bank account.

Those things arent negatives but they certainly aren't the be all end all when it comes to a woman's attraction.

Most men here want a young good looking virgin. That is a product in high demand. You better be prepared to offer what they want in order to get it, unless you believe the world owes you something. In the 50s that was a stable income to provide for their soon-to-be family. With no birthcontrol, it was inevitable.
Now they can control their reproduction while earning their own income. For better or worse, RVF and "holding frame" aint changing that.

If we want a high end woman to marry we need to give them what they want. They dont need provisions anymore. Instead they need us to provide something intangible that men have a hard time offering, or even understanding, which is emotions. A woman wants to FEEL something when shes with you.

**before the whiners come in and say --it didnt use to be like that!! Why do i have to do all that work! Its not worth it ill go to a village in Kurkozizizstan and find a good traditional girl who only wants clean water!! -- You want a woman to give up her greatest asset, her youth and beauty, and all you offer is big biceps and a 800$/week paycheck? Well, you better go to a place where that is a lot of money**
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(10-17-2019 01:56 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  Outside of this small hurdle it's relatively easy.

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(10-17-2019 02:55 PM)tr1cky Wrote:  If we want a high end woman to marry we need to give them what they want. They dont need provisions anymore. Instead they need us to provide something intangible that men have a hard time offering, or even understanding, which is emotions. A woman wants to FEEL something when shes with you.

**before the whiners come in and say --it didnt use to be like that!! Why do i have to do all that work! Its not worth it ill go to a village in Kurkozizizstan and find a good traditional girl who only wants clean water!! -- You want a woman to give up her greatest asset, her youth and beauty, and all you offer is big biceps and a 800$/week paycheck? Well, you better go to a place where that is a lot of money**

It isn't that you are wrong about what you're saying per se --- it's that feelings are unreliable, and anyone who thinks that making a woman "feel" in a particular way may understand game, but is silly if he doesn't understand that game is short term, and feelings change on a whim. You need someone who is virtuous, which yes you can find here, but mostly if you aren't raised properly, you will rely on feelings, which betrays your point and is evident all around us, every day. Just look at the results.

Women will never be devoid of feelings, irrational behaviour or fickleness, but women raised in cultures that expressly tell them to embrace this madness and not put it in check, at all, are not the ones that you want to, or get to stay with, long term.

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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
What are the results? Sky high divorce rates? Infidelity?

Women are the most free they have ever been due to economic (workforce) and biological (birthcontrol) reasons. They didnt become "less virtuous". They hated and disrespected their beta cuck husbands in the 40s too. Only difference is they couldn't leave because they needed the support.

Is that what you want to go back to? A women with no options that only stays with you because you provide?

Is the answer going to be, "im not a beta cuck so she would stay with me because shes madly in love with me due to my alpha frame and big muscles. "

If that was true, then you could easily get a western women as an LTR and keep her just the same.

Yes, feelings do change. Everything changes. Maintaining a relationship is constant work. Anything good isnt easy and it always requires constant work. Life.
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"Since the beginning of time men have known how to successfully manage a women’s sexual desires and general autonomy. Those days are ahead of us again" - quaker13

Fixed it. No more being dweebs.
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(10-17-2019 06:15 PM)tr1cky Wrote:  What are the results? Sky high divorce rates? Infidelity?

Women are the most free they have ever been due to economic (workforce) and biological (birthcontrol) reasons. They didnt become "less virtuous". They hated and disrespected their beta cuck husbands in the 40s too. Only difference is they couldn't leave because they needed the support.

Is that what you want to go back to? A women with no options that only stays with you because you provide?

Is the answer going to be, "im not a beta cuck so she would stay with me because shes madly in love with me due to my alpha frame and big muscles. "

If that was true, then you could easily get a western women as an LTR and keep her just the same.

Yes, feelings do change. Everything changes. Maintaining a relationship is constant work. Anything good isnt easy and it always requires constant work. Life.

Exactly my friend
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A change I've noticed over the past few years with Tinder, is that the whole travel and brunch craze, that used to seem to be exclusive to the more middle class girls, with well off fathers taking a year out from university etc; seems to be spreading to poorer trashier girls. Checkout girls and beauty therapists now all want a slice of the status they've seen the richer kids enjoying. I can't help but feel that is already triggering some degree of turnaround; whereby it will no longer be trendy to post tons of travel pics because everybody is doing it and soon there will be no status boost to be deprived from it.

I don't know if that would be enough to restore normalcy to the dating market. But if young high status, pretty rich girls started suddenly emphasising starting families; you could be sure that the masses would soon follow suit.
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(10-17-2019 06:15 PM)tr1cky Wrote:  What are the results? Sky high divorce rates? Infidelity?

Women are the most free they have ever been due to economic (workforce) and biological (birthcontrol) reasons. They didnt become "less virtuous". They hated and disrespected their beta cuck husbands in the 40s too. Only difference is they couldn't leave because they needed the support.

Is that what you want to go back to? A women with no options that only stays with you because you provide?


Is the answer going to be, "im not a beta cuck so she would stay with me because shes madly in love with me due to my alpha frame and big muscles. "

If that was true, then you could easily get a western women as an LTR and keep her just the same.

Yes, feelings do change. Everything changes. Maintaining a relationship is constant work. Anything good isnt easy and it always requires constant work. Life.

This reads an awful lot like thinly veiled feminism Confused
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Yes, it is, Sword.

A woman "with options" = chaos. This is red pill 101. Don't believe me? Look around.

Of course, that is a generalization to describe what's going on in the modern day. The proper "options" that women always had historically were virtue of their families, their youth, their beauty, etc. Not what they thought their options were, or should be. Because we know how that works out. Shit, we just did the experiment on a large scale.

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The assumption is being made that women were dreadfully unhappy in the past and forced into servitude. That is the same assumption and argument feminists push.

I think its completely wrong.
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(10-19-2019 02:36 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  The assumption is being made that women were dreadfully unhappy in the past and forced into servitude. That is the same assumption and argument feminists push.

I think its completely wrong.

Yah, life was a living hell for women until the sixties when they suddenly set themselves free (from what exactly?). Think about that for a second. As long as people have been on earth, being a woman was a horrible experience until a few short years ago. That statement in itself raises alot of questions. Theres a lot of different directions a discussion like this can go. Overall that statement is just based on the regressive version of history and culture which is still unfortunately the dominant western intellectual thought.
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(10-17-2019 06:15 PM)tr1cky Wrote:  What are the results? Sky high divorce rates? Infidelity?

Women are the most free they have ever been due to economic (workforce) and biological (birthcontrol) reasons. They didnt become "less virtuous". They hated and disrespected their beta cuck husbands in the 40s too. Only difference is they couldn't leave because they needed the support.

Is that what you want to go back to? A women with no options that only stays with you because you provide?

Is the answer going to be, "im not a beta cuck so she would stay with me because shes madly in love with me due to my alpha frame and big muscles. "

If that was true, then you could easily get a western women as an LTR and keep her just the same.

Yes, feelings do change. Everything changes. Maintaining a relationship is constant work. Anything good isnt easy and it always requires constant work. Life.
Its just basically again the Pareto distribution. You can only win as a men if you are in the top 20 or 10%. But that will basically just result in chaos if men realize that. Especially if you think about the genetic lottery.
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(10-17-2019 01:56 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  My point is there are plenty of good, fit and attractive women in this country. The question I always ask is if you require an above average mate are you in fact above average? Are you an outta shape guy pining over fit women? Are you intellectually shallow man lusting after an erudite woman? Do you long for a traditonal feminine woman, but aren't MASCULINE enough to approach such a woman when presented with te option?

Great post (particularly this last paragraph).

I too notice, when I actually spend enough time outside doing things, even in the UK, there are still SOME good options around. You just cannot find them via the internet.

Even if you could find the good ones, trying to get a woman to be truly feminine and submissive via internet seduction is practically impossible. How can a man assert his dominance and engage her emotions via pixels on a screen? Voice is about the best option you have.

The last point you mention hits me in particular. Not that I didn't already know it to the the case. I am masculine, and I want a feminine woman, but I don't approach them / make it happen as much as I should.
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Sword I don’t think what Tr1cky wrote was feminism at all. His point was these women were never happy to begin with and by denying the true sexual nature of woman all you are really doing is lying to yourself for convenience sake. It’s like the saying goes, “want a woman who wants you”. When we get nostalgic and wax poetic about the good ole days we seemingly reject the notion that many of the women in those nuclear families with beta providers did not want those men sexually. The sooner we accept and acknowledge that the better off we will be in tackling the scourge that is modern feminism. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t want my daughter marrying some asshole she isn’t attracted to out of a provisional necessity and you shouldn’t either
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(10-18-2019 05:27 PM)mr-ed209 Wrote:  A change I've noticed over the past few years with Tinder, is that the whole travel and brunch craze, that used to seem to be exclusive to the more middle class girls, with well off fathers taking a year out from university etc; seems to be spreading to poorer trashier girls. Checkout girls and beauty therapists now all want a slice of the status they've seen the richer kids enjoying. I can't help but feel that is already triggering some degree of turnaround; whereby it will no longer be trendy to post tons of travel pics because everybody is doing it and soon there will be no status boost to be deprived from it.

I don't know if that would be enough to restore normalcy to the dating market. But if young high status, pretty rich girls started suddenly emphasising starting families; you could be sure that the masses would soon follow suit.

Whenever I travel around Germany, I notice that these are the upper middle class families that have the most kids, with the supplementing 7 seat SUV's and huge houses. Maybe it is the same in the US?
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@quaker13 "His point was these women were never happy to begin with and by denying the true sexual nature of woman..."

There certainly is a good and dark side of a woman's sexual nature is there not?

If a woman does not like her man for being a beta then yes he lacks masculinity so the woman in the relationship will begin to become unhappy.

Men aren't beta when they provide for their families. It makes the woman very happy actually. Like always in any given period of time, it takes guts and a masculine man to accomplish that. A man has either lived in a culture supporting his masculine development or not. It doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to be a man rather then be in permanent adolescence. It always has been that way whether or not the society helped him accomplish that goal.

Women aren't sexually attracted to a man's physical features alone. He has to have a masculine essence. In fact masculinity supersedes being in tip top shape - not that being in very good shape is unimportant but you aren't going to get very far if that's all you rely on.

By the good old days you mean the 40s then sure there were beta men but not very many esspecially compared to today.

I can't tell if this is a rant but I can't draw the connection between being a beta, being an asshole and what a woman isn't attracted too in your argument. It's kind of all over the place. Men back then knew how to treat a woman. When to "be an asshole" and when to be a gentleman. They went afraid to show it and women were attracted to men like that.

Now I do get the point that men aren't being attractive enough today which contributes society -and everything that is good about the institutions- is crumbling.

The only thing I can say where you are 100% correct is that man should only want a woman who wants him meaning don't chase your women, let her chase you.
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(10-19-2019 07:11 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  Sword I don’t think what Tr1cky wrote was feminism at all. His point was these women were never happy to begin with and by denying the true sexual nature of woman all you are really doing is lying to yourself for convenience sake. It’s like the saying goes, “want a woman who wants you”. When we get nostalgic and wax poetic about the good ole days we seemingly reject the notion that many of the women in those nuclear families with beta providers did not want those men sexually. The sooner we accept and acknowledge that the better off we will be in tackling the scourge that is modern feminism. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t want my daughter marrying some asshole she isn’t attracted to out of a provisional necessity and you shouldn’t either

This is too simplistic of an approach. The patriarchy™ withstood the test of time because women (as an aggregate) do not in fact know what is good and stable unless they are taught and see it, but wisdom typically comes too late if it is not enforced/reinforced by the culture. Why does it come too late? They have a biological clock and at their prime, as we know, it is critical for them NOT to wander into the desert of desolation which came to be known as the cock carousel, destroying family formation.

"Lying to yourself for convenience sake"? No, understanding what the difference is between bad, and worse.

You wouldn't want your daughter marrying an asshole she isn't attracted to out of resource desire, but you'd be ok with a her sexing up a hit and run Chad who splits even if she's lucky enough to lock him down (she won't). You don't get it both ways. She wouldn't be marrying for resources in the first place if high value Mr. Alpha initially wanted her.

Talking about "what women want" sexually is in fact broaching the topic of feminism all over again. That's precisely where the degradation began.

For men, this [being too promiscuous] has always been a challenge and a potential problem. For women, the introduction of such ideas is literally an abyss. Which is where we are currently. I bet the next thing you're going to tell me is that women are happier now than they were "back then" right?

I'm a little suprised I need to explain this ...

Get your passport ready!
(This post was last modified: 10-19-2019 11:26 AM by Kid Twist.)
10-19-2019 11:24 AM
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(10-19-2019 07:11 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  It’s like the saying goes, “want a woman who wants you”. When we get nostalgic and wax poetic about the good ole days we seemingly reject the notion that many of the women in those nuclear families with beta providers did not want those men sexually. The sooner we accept and acknowledge that the better off we will be in tackling the scourge that is modern feminism. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t want my daughter marrying some asshole she isn’t attracted to out of a provisional necessity and you shouldn’t either

But what happens when you base the institution of marriage, and in effect your whole society, on something as fickle as female sexual desire?
10-19-2019 02:39 PM
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