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RE: American woman kills teen boy with car, claims "Diplomatic Immunity"
It’s a double edged sword. Being American does give you leverage if a crime has been committed overseas with consular assistance or immunity in this case. However, it also makes you a target in many other ways. From gringo tax, extortion, kidnapping or worse - murdered.
10-07-2019 09:57 PM
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Given how much Brits look down on yanks I think she could get off if she appeared in court and pleaded mental deficiency by way of being an American.

She could let a little trail of drool remain on the edge of her mouth and arrive covered in Dorito crumbs. If she talked like a slow southerner then the jury would probably take pity on her and sentence her to finishing-school or something like that.

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(10-08-2019 03:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Given how much Brits look down on yanks I think she could get off if she appeared in court and pleaded mental deficiency by way of being an American.

She could let a little trail of drool remain on the edge of her mouth and arrive covered in Dorito crumbs. If she talked like a slow southerner then the jury would probably take pity on her and sentence her to finishing-school or something like that.

Having lived as a yank in the UK, I can tell you that many Brits would feel justice was done if they had someone new to look down on.

Happy has clams they'd be.

(Not including Teedub, of course.)

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I didn't enjoy London when I visited. Crappy weather, crappy food, way too loud and crowded and the faces of the locals turned sour when I talked with my American accent despite me buying their overpriced shit.

No thanks.

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10-08-2019 11:59 AM
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Justice is the "ultimate" of all human illusions and folly`s. Of course there is no justice. In fact it follows directly from physics and the second law of thermodynamics (a real law, not the human made BS) that the entropy (disorder, equilibrium) of the universe must always increase. From this principle or dynamic you get variation and unequal outcomes. In fact this is the driving force behind the variation you see in biological life.

So, the zebra with a little slower legs (or just bad luck) will be eaten by the crocodile, and the young man with a little slower perception/coordination, or higher T levels (or just bad luck again) will crash and die on a motorcycle. You can never undo this with any human written law. It`s the law of the universe, not that of "the jungle." The human made "law" will for the most part just reflect the interests of those that have the most power in a society at the current point. Pluss a little human illusion baked into it.

I agree that the woman in question is a major c**t, but would it make any difference if she served 10-15 years for say involuntary manslaughter? The motorcyclist would still be as dead.

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(10-08-2019 12:39 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  Justice is the "ultimate" of all human illusions and folly`s. Of course there is no justice. In fact it follows directly from physics and the second law of thermodynamics (a real law, not the human made BS) that the entropy (disorder, equilibrium) of the universe must always increase. From this principle or dynamic you get variation and unequal outcomes. In fact this is the driving force behind the variation you see in biological life.

So, the zebra with a little slower legs (or just bad luck) will be eaten by the crocodile, and the young man with a little slower perception/coordination, or higher T levels (or just bad luck again) will crash and die on a motorcycle. You can never undo this with any human written law. It`s the law of the universe, not that of "the jungle." The human made "law" will for the most part just reflect the interests of those that have the most power in a society at the current point. Pluss a little human illusion baked into it.

I agree that the woman in question is a major c**t, but would it make any difference if she served 10-15 years for say involuntary manslaughter? The motorcyclist would still be as dead.

Mindblown

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(10-08-2019 12:39 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  Justice is the "ultimate" of all human illusions and folly`s. Of course there is no justice. In fact it follows directly from physics and the second law of thermodynamics (a real law, not the human made BS) that the entropy (disorder, equilibrium) of the universe must always increase. From this principle or dynamic you get variation and unequal outcomes. In fact this is the driving force behind the variation you see in biological life.

So, the zebra with a little slower legs (or just bad luck) will be eaten by the crocodile, and the young man with a little slower perception/coordination, or higher T levels (or just bad luck again) will crash and die on a motorcycle. You can never undo this with any human written law. It`s the law of the universe, not that of "the jungle." The human made "law" will for the most part just reflect the interests of those that have the most power in a society at the current point. Pluss a little human illusion baked into it.

I agree that the woman in question is a major c**t, but would it make any difference if she served 10-15 years for say involuntary manslaughter? The motorcyclist would still be as dead.

The strength and veracity of the human law is measured how close it mirrors divine law. You cannot escape divine law even if you can get away with murder within human law. The degree of punishment has to be applied relative to how badly she behaved relative to the motorcycle driver.

Our times are still better than what it was 99% of the time in history. The elite have to kill in secrecy, use clever lawyers or in some cases like this flee the country and grab whatever legal gimmick they can. But even in this case it will cost him. As others mentioned - it will have repercussions to the career of her husband.

Women are already under-punished in our system. Maybe in a close to ideal society we could assess her guilt correctly - was she drunk, on drugs or just absent-minded? Was the killed man careless? Then you could reason with the surviving family whether she could amend part of the punishment with a large amount of money - I would prefer 6 months in jail for that woman on top of 1 mio. $ in payments to family/girlfriend/wife than 5 years in jail for careless driving. Our legal system is far away from ideal frankly.
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(10-08-2019 02:24 PM)RIslander Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 12:39 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  Justice is the "ultimate" of all human illusions and folly`s. Of course there is no justice. In fact it follows directly from physics and the second law of thermodynamics (a real law, not the human made BS) that the entropy (disorder, equilibrium) of the universe must always increase. From this principle or dynamic you get variation and unequal outcomes. In fact this is the driving force behind the variation you see in biological life.

So, the zebra with a little slower legs (or just bad luck) will be eaten by the crocodile, and the young man with a little slower perception/coordination, or higher T levels (or just bad luck again) will crash and die on a motorcycle. You can never undo this with any human written law. It`s the law of the universe, not that of "the jungle." The human made "law" will for the most part just reflect the interests of those that have the most power in a society at the current point. Pluss a little human illusion baked into it.

I agree that the woman in question is a major c**t, but would it make any difference if she served 10-15 years for say involuntary manslaughter? The motorcyclist would still be as dead.

Mindblown

Hehe, yeah!

Here`s some background for this interpretation. I warn you though, this is not easy stuff. I`ve done some math in my studies, but this stretches my intellect to the limit, and a bit beyond. I think I grasp the essential points though. Sorry for derailing the thread btw.




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(10-07-2019 08:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I'm also going to keep it real and say I would have done the same with or without diplomatic immunity. I'd live with the guilt but not the time in court or prison. You guys are putting too much faith in The Law and Selective Justice System.

I know the kid is innocent but men need to stop driving motor bikes. I know they are cool and a cheap option but they turn what should be minor collisions into instant death scenarios. If you buy a motor bike you can afford a beat up small car. It doesn't matter how good an operator you are since you cannot anticipate who else is on the road.

By that brilliant logic you should only drive heavily armored slow vehicles only.

Come on man, this guy didn't die because he was on a motor bike, he died because this idiot wife of a diplomat was driving on the wrong side of the fucking road.

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What about riding a pushbike or being a pedestrian.

Blaming someone for riding a motorcycle is a deeply flawed analysis.

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RE: American woman kills teen boy with car, claims "Diplomatic Immunity"
Sorry if someone already posted this, but at issue here is that she probably has no right to diplomatic immunity. To get diplomatic immunity her husband would have to have attended an official swearing in, where the host nation recognizes the diplomats one by one. This is standard procedure in all countries.
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What every body seems to be missing is that neither this woman or her husband actually have diplomatic immunity because her husband is not a diplomat.

This can be checked on the official diplomat list.

He actually works as a NSA technical officer at RAF Crougton. However the media won't say this as I assume a D notice has been issued.

(Both the UK and US govt maintain the fiction that they don't spy on their own citizens, what they do is spy on each others citizens and pass on all details).

Perhaps someone should let the victims family know the real details.
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When you are in a foreign country you have no rights. Never let yourself get involved with the law whether you were right or wrong.

This is an extreme example but UK Pilot David Simpson was held for 162 days in a filthy Central Africa Republic prison on obvious bogus charges until whoever had the cash was able to bribe the right officials.

"He contracted malaria several times and survived on little more than cassava mash and meat stew and shared his cell with a dozen other suspected criminals."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...-jail.html

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