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RE: People Scrambling As 34 Counties in CA Potentially Lose Power For Up to 5 Days
I read an article once a while ago written by a German engineer who compared electricity grids of various countries. He said that the one in the US in terms of reliability and net investment in new technology was below many of the former communist countries in Europe.

It produced cheaper energy prices (not anymore due to global warming scam investments), but the industry actually had incentives to invest, modernize and upkeep as little as possible. You had plants and installations running that would have been long been since replaced in countries like Germany.

Funnily enough Germany will experience similar things and in recent times their non-green-madness-following neighbors backed up their grid or the green-idiocracy country of Germany would have already experienced blackouts.
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Nahum 3:

Quote:Judgment against Nineveh(California)

1Woe to the city of blood,

full of lies,

full of plunder,

never without prey.

Filled with Liars and innocent blood especially of the unborn.


Quote:heaps of slain,

mounds of corpses,

dead bodies without end—

All the crime of murder especially murder of unborn children.

Quote:they stumble over their dead—

4because of the many harlotries of the harlot,

the seductive mistress of sorcery,

who betrays nations by her prostitution



and clans by her witchcraft.


Hollywood and LA bewitching the nations with her sorcery promoting the Globohomo degenerate culture resulting in possible massive numbers of people dead in future in Judgment.




Quote:5“Behold, I am against you,”

declares the LORD of Hosts.

“I will lift your skirts over your face.

I will show your nakedness to the nations

and your shame to the kingdoms.

6I will pelt you with filth

and treat you with contempt;

I will make a spectacle of you.

7Then all who see you

will recoil from you
and say,

‘Nineveh(California) is devastated;

who will grieve for her?’

Where can I find

comforters for you?”

Full of poop, needles and disease.



Looks like California is under Judgment.
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(10-09-2019 05:06 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-w...501564.php

^ I didn't believe it but I looked it up. Power being turned off as a precaution before high winds. Very Mad Max

I worked a utility on the East Coast for about 7-8 years so I'm gonna assume most the affected counties are rural which is why the primaries and transformers are all above-ground.

While it would be a massive capital undertaking, this is shows why it's a good idea to have distribution underground with pad-mounted transformers.

Linemane I know tell me it takes 3-5 hours to replace a downed line and/or broken pole. So multiply that by 100 lines and poles. So it actually makes sense and would expedite restoration efforts.

I'm not seeing the "cultural decline the sky is falling" in this precaution. Better to cut the power now than to have cars driving over live lines downed in the roads, no?

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(10-10-2019 09:45 AM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 05:06 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-w...501564.php

^ I didn't believe it but I looked it up. Power being turned off as a precaution before high winds. Very Mad Max

I worked a utility on the East Coast for about 7-8 years so I'm gonna assume most the affected counties are rural which is why the primaries and transformers are all above-ground.

While it would be a massive capital undertaking, this is shows why it's a good idea to have distribution underground with pad-mounted transformers.

Linemane I know tell me it takes 3-5 hours to replace a downed line and/or broken pole. So multiply that by 100 lines and poles. So it actually makes sense and would expedite restoration efforts.

I'm not seeing the "cultural decline the sky is falling" in this precaution. Better to cut the power now than to have cars driving over live lines downed in the roads, no?

The decline seen in not upgrading the grid to the suggestion you mention. Not building redundancies into the grid for events like high wind. Its sign that no one is thinking about the future and focus on milking as much as possible with current infrastructure instead of preparing for better and more robust infrastructure down the line. Sooner or later everything will fail and there is no alternative for people to use.

For example, in the hell hole of NYC, the Lincoln Tunnel is 90 years old. Soon or later the tunnel is going to need major maintenance, but there is no major alternative anyone in NJ and NYC to get out of the city. New York want to build a new tunnel, but Governor Christe of NJ at the time cancel the project since he knows it will be over budget and NJ will paying for most of it. Instead of making a new tunnel or bridge to reduce congestion and help reduce the burden on existing infrastructure, everyone in TriState Area was thinking how to milk that project for sweet cash for the present instead planning for the future. The day the tunnel is closed due to failing equipment, NYC will be massive mess as the decrease in materials and food shipments occurs due to the major way in the city is cut off. Then again, new social justice project du jour is more important.
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I'm not saying the sky is falling. This will probably pass by with some basic adjustments and the world not much noticing.

I am noting that it's interesting that CA is looking at last-minute blackouts that rival (actually exceed) what I deal with in the 3rd world. I do think they should have spent a lot more time on prevention instead of waiting for something like this - and I think it says a lot about the false feeling of security people live under when they're in the 1st world. Like it or not, society is a fragile thing anywhere. We cap on shithole countries and then California struggles to keep the lights on.

And perhaps even more tellingly, that it struck me how much more I'd feel I needed to be locked and loaded in a CA blackout than I'd ever feel in a country like the Philippines (where after 12 years of living in this type of place I'm well aware there is still a target on my back). Doesn't even cross my mind to worry about keeping a gun by my side in a brown out here.

I mean, not in the slightest. And that's even if I'm in a big capital city like Manila or Bangkok. Nor does anyone break into local businesses when the lights go out.

Meanwhile, my brother lives in a CA city of less than 30,000 and is very worried when the power goes out like that. And liquor stores get raided within an hour and a half of the power going down, judging by his text he sent earlier. Kind of makes you wonder how many other incidents sparked off and went unreported or unnoticed. If you read Colin Flaherty you'll see unreported crime has become the norm. Seems they'd rather keep people in the dark rather than cause a panic about the actual state of things.

In my smaller hometown, very rural area, people are still on high alert because even there the home invasions incidences have gone through the roof...this isn't something I am making up - I could share at least a story a day if you want me to link you to death. The drama back home is constant.

I'm an extremely optimistic person, actually - if you woke up to the life I did everyday you'd be hard pressed not to be.

But even if this tamely passes by without much big incident still certainly seems to be a few things to chew on here.

And I reckon if this does happen in a bigger place like Oakland, etc, there will be a lot to chew on. I mean, doubt much of the real nonsense that goes down will actually get reported in the news anyways so will probably be a nonissue for most people. Again, most things go unreported and unnannounced. All just another day on edge in the US, and that's the real problem, I guess.

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(10-10-2019 05:16 AM)Hypno Wrote:  Blackouts to Berkley and Oakland coming next. Shits about to get real.

Although I'm sure the social justice warriors will be happy to do their part to combat global warming.

Good. Let them live with the consequences of thier foolishness. You won't get radical climate policy until the goofy wealthy lefties have to eat it and enjoy a fellow reduced standard of living. Rolling frequent blackouts and the zombie rush for supplies will be the norm.
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(10-10-2019 10:56 AM)kosko Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 05:16 AM)Hypno Wrote:  Blackouts to Berkley and Oakland coming next. Shits about to get real.

Although I'm sure the social justice warriors will be happy to do their part to combat global warming.

Good. Let them live with the consequences of thier foolishness. You won't get radical climate policy until the goofy wealthy lefties have to eat it and enjoy a fellow reduced standard of living. Rolling frequent blackouts and the zombie rush for supplies will be the norm.

The left will probably blame climate change for it all.
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Is there any reason not to take P,G,& E at their word?

If not, this whole thing might be a good reminder to Californians what life is like for everyone else.

Like Beyond Borders, I grew up in one of the affected counties. Something about having them shaken out of their daily routines is very satisfying, provided no one gets hurt.

They think they are untouchable in their houses on a hill in the trees. Barely know their neighbors.

If this reminds them they need to be better prepared for something going wrong, and more resilient when it does, then it is hard to see how being inconvenienced is such a bad thing for my smug former neighbors.

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Remember to charge your Tesla before the big blackout.
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This is why you need to be armed at home and proficient with firearms. You also need a week's worth of dehydrated food, 2 weeks worth of fresh water, batteries and a solar charger. The fact that even such a suggestion would elicit a "this guy is nuts" from normies for taking such a basic and reasonably priced preparation is the fact that they have been programmed to do so. Which is why you need to.

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RE: People Scrambling As 34 Counties in CA Potentially Lose Power For Up to 5 Days
Huge sections of the country routinely experience blackouts lasting 5 days, often longer. It's usually because of ice storms. We don't seem to go crazy within hours of it happening.
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(10-10-2019 12:45 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Huge sections of the country routinely experience blackouts lasting 5 days, often longer. It's usually because of ice storms. We don't seem to go crazy within hours of it happening.

Because several day blackouts usually occur in rural areas where there is still a sense of community. In an urban area it is a total shit show. I lived in Minneapolis for years and never had a loss of electricity despite monster blizzards. Cities are prioritized in the grid. In my small home town in the northeast US we got smoked by a hurricane a few years ago, mass flooding, National Guard evacuations, no power for a week and no rise in crime.

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(10-10-2019 12:39 PM)RIslander Wrote:  This is why you need to be armed at home and proficient with firearms.

Yeah, except this is California. You can have guns, but no evil scary black assault rifles or magazines with more than 10 rounds.

My dad lives in the affected area along with his side of the family including my 93-year-old grandmother. Fucking incompetent assholes can't keep their equipment from sparking wildfires so they just shut off everyone's power for days. Yet another step towards Venezuela.

Sure, you can run generators....with $5/gallon gas.

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Vehicles drive in traffic down Culver Blvd. in Los Angeles on Thursday, Sept. 19, 2019. PHOTO: PATRICK T. FALLON/BLOOMBERG NEWS
Following the attacks on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities last month, many forecasters warned that gas prices would spike. Yet prices have hardly budged—except in California, where they are surging due to policies that have made the state more reliant on foreign oil.


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Gas prices in the Golden State have shot up 30 cents a gallon in the last week amid problems at in-state refineries to a statewide average of $4.03 a gallon and may be headed higher. Prices rose a mere 10 cents nationwide in the week after the attacks on Saudi facilities and have since ticked down a few cents.

A big reason gas prices didn’t spike after the Saudi attack is growing U.S. shale oil production, which has doubled since 2012 to about 12.5 million barrels a day and added about six million barrels to global supply. This has more than offset the 5.7 million barrels that were temporarily knocked out of Saudi production.

Yet oil production in California has declined about 18% since 2012 as older wells are exhausted and regulatory costs make it less profitable to drill new ones. California has made up for its declining domestic production by importing more foreign oil by tanker, especially from, you guessed it, Saudi Arabia—which emits more CO2.

Regulatory costs have also forced many refiners in the state to close. The California Energy Commission notes that “the cost of complying with environmental regulations and low product prices will continue to make it difficult to continue operating older, less efficient refineries.” Few refineries outside of the state produce the unique fuel blends required by California.

Thus when California refineries experience problems, retailers must import foreign gasoline at steep prices, a challenge partly exacerbated by the outages in Saudi Arabia. Add California’s 61-cent-a-gallon gas tax—the highest in the country—and this is why its gas prices are now nearly $1.40 higher than the U.S. average and $1.70 more than in Texas.

Gov. Gavin Newsom recently remarked that “Saudi Arabia is showing us how dependent we are on foreign oil.” By “we,” he means the royal California.

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CNN told me this was a prime time for Putin to roll the Russian tanks onto Santa Monica beach and wonder why he has to steal back the red drapery back from the Californians.

I also heard the frogmen were taking pot-shots at beach goers, but that seems a bit unrealistic.
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(10-10-2019 04:55 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 12:39 PM)RIslander Wrote:  This is why you need to be armed at home and proficient with firearms.

Yeah, except this is California. You can have guns, but no evil scary black assault rifles or magazines with more than 10 rounds.

You don't need an AR-15. It isn't a good home defense weapon anyway because you're going to end up killing your neighbors whether you miss or not. It isn't effective in close quarters because its bulky and easily disarmed. A pistol with hallow points or a shotgun with buckshot are your best options.

And yes California sucks.

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Looks like the power already back on at least in Humboldt.

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(10-10-2019 05:47 PM)RIslander Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 04:55 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 12:39 PM)RIslander Wrote:  This is why you need to be armed at home and proficient with firearms.

Yeah, except this is California. You can have guns, but no evil scary black assault rifles or magazines with more than 10 rounds.

You don't need an AR-15. It isn't a good home defense weapon anyway because you're going to end up killing your neighbors whether you miss or not. It isn't effective in close quarters because its bulky and easily disarmed. A pistol with hallow points or a shotgun with buckshot are your best options.

And yes California sucks.

Normally I would say that getting your ammo consecrated would be going overboard, but in California I'd make an exception.

Anyway, in places like California you choose your self defence gun based on how antiquated it LOOKS. 12 gauge semi/pump with a wooden furniture will go over better with a jury than the same gun with a black pistol grip. An old school 44mag with wooden grips will go over better than a black. 22lr semi auto pistol. Stupid, but that's reality.

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I don't remember we had 5 days long power outages in Serbia even during the NATO aggression 20 years ago.
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RE: People Scrambling As 34 Counties in CA Potentially Lose Power For Up to 5 Days
(10-10-2019 05:47 PM)RIslander Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 04:55 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 12:39 PM)RIslander Wrote:  This is why you need to be armed at home and proficient with firearms.

Yeah, except this is California. You can have guns, but no evil scary black assault rifles or magazines with more than 10 rounds.

You don't need an AR-15. It isn't a good home defense weapon anyway because you're going to end up killing your neighbors whether you miss or not. It isn't effective in close quarters because its bulky and easily disarmed. A pistol with hallow points or a shotgun with buckshot are your best options.

And yes California sucks.

It depends on your experience and the construction of your house as well as ammo selection. My primary home defense gun is an AR, but I have put tens of thousands of rounds through the AR platform mostly in the military. I've carried it in combat and I have more confidence in my ability to operate it under stress than I do any other platform. IMO it has the highest ceiling of any home defense platform, but requires a lot more training to be able to use effectively than other options. For someone with no military background who isn't willing or able to spend at least a few hours a month training including professional courses at least a few times a year, I'd also recommend the shotgun with buckshot--but that has the same bulk and length issues as a rifle.

Overpenetration isn't as much of an issue as people think IF you get the right ammo. A good home defense round (I like 64gr Speer Gold Dots) will have far more stopping power than the standard 223/556 JHP round while also carrying much less of a risk of overpenetration--the trade off, aside from cost (and this isn't really a huge issue as you can use cheaper ammo to train), is that if the home invader finds good cover you likely won't be able to shoot through it. And in my case, the exterior of my house is brick so I'm not worried about that regardless of ammo although shooting through internal walls is still a concern.

There's a reason most military and SWAT units (at least in the US) have switched from pistol caliber submachine guns to the AR platform for urban combat over the past 2 decades. For people with a military or law enforcement background who have muscle memory operating the platform or who are willing and able to invest time and money training, I think an AR platform is best--ideally a suppressed pistol or short barrel rifle with about an 8-11" barrel (although if you don't have a suppressor, stick with the full length barrel and protect your ears). Otherwise, a shotgun with buckshot is good. Either way, get a good handgun that you can put in your nightstand (inside a biometric safe if you have kids or company) and use to fight your way to your long gun.

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10-11-2019 10:23 AM
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RE: The California thread (formerly: 34 Counties in CA Lose Power)
Gas prices have breached $5 in some areas as those with solar panels realize that it doesn't work when the power goes out (assuming they don't have batteries):

Quote:Millions of Californians may have just suffered an unprecedented, induced blackout by the state's largest (and bankrupt) utility, PG&E, just so it isn't blamed for starting even more fires causing it to go even more bankrupt... but at least the price of gas is soaring.

According to Fox5NY, citing figures from AAA and the Oil Price Information Service, the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline in Los Angeles County was $4.25 on Wednesday, 4.5 cents higher than one week ago, 57.6 cents more than one month ago and 37.1 cents greater than one year ago. It has also risen 86.4 cents since the start of the year. What is more troubling is that as California gas prices reached the highest level in the state since 2015, some Los Angeles area gas stations are charging more than $5 a gallon.

The gas price spike started last month after Saudi Arabia oil production facilities were attacked, and accelerated after three Los Angeles-area refineries slowed or halted production due to maintenance issues and no imported gasoline was available to make up for the shortfall, according to Jeffrey Spring, the Automobile Club of Southern California's corporate communications manager.

The shortage was made worse after local refineries cut back production of summer-blend gasoline in anticipation of switching to selling the winter blend beginning Nov. 1.

But wait, there's more: America's most "environmentally conscious" state got a harsh lesson in electrical engineering when many of the tens of thousands of people hit by this week's blackout learned the hard way that solar installations don't keep the lights on during a power outage.

That, as Bloomberg reports, is "because most panels are designed to supply power to the grid, not directly to houses. During the heat of the day, solar systems generate more juice than a home can handle. However, they don’t produce power at all at night. So systems are tied into the grid, and the vast majority aren’t working this week as PG&E cut power to much of Northern California to prevent wildfires."

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/cali...anels-dont

Even with power cut, fires are raging:

Quote:Raging wildfires have broken out across neighborhoods in Los Angeles, killing two people, burning homes and forcing thousands to evacuate.

The latest fire, known as the Saddleridge Fire, broke out after 9pm on Thursday in Sylmar, north of Los Angeles, along the 210 Freeway near Yarnell Street and jumped the highway, shutting down multiple freeways/

Officials say the fire has quickly grown, scorching more than 4,700 acres by 8am on Friday with zero containment. The cause of the fire is still unknown.

Helicopters made repeated water drops as 1,000 firefighters on the ground attacked flames in and around homes, 25 of which have been damaged so far.

Authorities have ordered mandatory evacuations in the Granada Hills, Porter Ranch and Oakridge Estates neighborhoods affecting about 100,000 people on the northern edge of the city in the San Fernando Valley area.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ornia.html

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RE: The California thread (formerly: 34 Counties in CA Lose Power)
I really need to move.
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