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Infrastructure is an easy target for fraud and graft. Everyone wants modern and safe infrastructure and are willing to pay something to get it. The hard part is that unless you're a commercial-grade contractor or estimator, you don't really have an idea how much it costs to make a highway overpass at a market rate. So you could be paying 3x or more than actual market costs, but you'd never know because everything is so inflated by limited or no-bid situations. Compound some high-interest loans and you've got the perfect storm of theft from the public via wealth transfer into private hands.

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California residents see the result of crazy environmentalism and centralizing control in the hands of power-hungry, inept bureaucrats, yet consistently vote for more of the same. You'd think, at some point, they might be willing to try something new. Instead, they leave the state and export liberalism to untouched areas.

Bernie is always saying that socialism works great, it just hasn't been tried "the right way" with "the right people" in charge. We all know he's BSing, but the rank and file must really believe it.
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Hot take.

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California Faces "Biggest Blackout Ever" As 2.5 Million PG&E Customers May Have No Power For Days

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/califor...WUSrzZWZi4

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(10-27-2019 11:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Additionally, there are many parts of the power grid that are outdated or lacking proper repairs. A friend who is an electrical engineer here in California (in a fire-prone area no less) has told me about how the internal conversations between electrical grid techs and engineers often rate equipment at a D grade (failing basic safety checks or at near risk of doing so in case of emergency). Keep in mind, these are engineers and techs. They aren't political people with an agenda to push. They are logical men who know what kind of systems need to be in place to keep the lights on and the fires out.

There are literally trillions of dollars of deferred maintenance in the United States (not just California) related to infrastructure. If Trump got a bill passed to work on it, there'd be tons of jobs for men, which is part of why California hates the idea of men being productive and bettering society. There's a larger thread at play here than just these fires or the power lines.

Now this makes California sense.

The politicians are ignoring the engineers.

I bet those engineers also believe there are only two genders.

People like that deserve to be ignored.

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SANTA ROSA, Calif. (AP) — Pacific Gas & Electric Co. power lines may have started two wildfires over the weekend in the San Francisco Bay Area, the utility said Monday, even though widespread blackouts were in place to prevent downed lines from starting fires during dangerously windy weather.

https://krcrtv.com/news/nation-world/uti...OiKIorHQz0

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(10-28-2019 12:06 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 11:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Additionally, there are many parts of the power grid that are outdated or lacking proper repairs. A friend who is an electrical engineer here in California (in a fire-prone area no less) has told me about how the internal conversations between electrical grid techs and engineers often rate equipment at a D grade (failing basic safety checks or at near risk of doing so in case of emergency). Keep in mind, these are engineers and techs. They aren't political people with an agenda to push. They are logical men who know what kind of systems need to be in place to keep the lights on and the fires out.

There are literally trillions of dollars of deferred maintenance in the United States (not just California) related to infrastructure. If Trump got a bill passed to work on it, there'd be tons of jobs for men, which is part of why California hates the idea of men being productive and bettering society. There's a larger thread at play here than just these fires or the power lines.

Now this makes California sense.

The politicians are ignoring the engineers.

I bet those engineers also believe there are only two genders.

People like that deserve to be ignored.

One of the reasons countries like Germany became excellent in terms of infrastructure and city-building even in the 19th century was because the leaders disentangled the engineers and city-planners from politics. They gave them immense power and let the administrative experts give politicians only nominal choice to choose from - aka - choose between prepared option 1, 2 or 3. Obviously all 3 options would be fine and the poltiician feels like he is making the decision.
The same goes for infrastructure - some investments are essential and you tell the guys to budget for it or they tell them that deaths resulting from it will fall back on them. And it was almost impossible to fire those men - some served for decades in certain positions.

Guess California rather learned from the Soviets than the Germans - ignore the warnings of the engineers, use the cheapest option, pronounce how great you are. What can go wrong - it's exactly like like Chernobyl disaster happened.
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I don't understand. I live in a hot, mountainous, densely forested area with strong winds and frequent forest fires, and the GDP per capita here is only 30% of California's.

How am I able to have electricity? Why is my fridge still working? Is it really me posting this? What's going on?

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Two words for you: electric eel.

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(10-29-2019 03:49 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  One of the reasons countries like Germany became excellent in terms of infrastructure and city-building even in the 19th century was because the leaders disentangled the engineers and city-planners from politics. They gave them immense power and let the administrative experts give politicians only nominal choice to choose from - aka - choose between prepared option 1, 2 or 3. Obviously all 3 options would be fine and the poltiician feels like he is making the decision.
The same goes for infrastructure - some investments are essential and you tell the guys to budget for it or they tell them that deaths resulting from it will fall back on them. And it was almost impossible to fire those men - some served for decades in certain positions.

Guess California rather learned from the Soviets than the Germans - ignore the warnings of the engineers, use the cheapest option, pronounce how great you are. What can go wrong - it's exactly like like Chernobyl disaster happened.

You can find a lot of faults with the post-WWII Socialist Yugoslavia, but at least the Party establishment did give free reign to the civil engineers, architects, etc. The cities and infrastructure, although ugly were working and built to last. There simply was no type of corruption that you find in current nominally pro Western values government that engages in terrible infrastructure/urban projects that will cripple the cities for next 20 years with incredibly inflated budgets and shoddy workmanship.
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Vallejo California over the weekend. It looks like a war zone.

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My dad's side of the family all live in Sonoma County except for two cousins who live in SF and still go up about every other weekend. My 93 year old grandmother is currently being forced to evacuate from the home she's lived in for 25 years and shared with my late grandfather for the last ~15 years of his life, for the second time in 3 years (thankfully my dad has the means to put her up at a nice hotel in Marin so she isn't camped out in the Fairgrounds). This is after they already had a blackout a few weeks ago. Last time the fires came through they came within a few blocks of my dad's house. All conservatives, all paid taxes for years, grandmother is the widow of a career military officer.

Fuck these Marxist assholes. I told my family again the last few days we could use their votes in a free state, I don't think they will leave while my grandmother is still around but when she passes I'm hopeful they'll get the hell out.

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You guys pushing the conspiracy angle really overestimate the ability of human beings to organize on a wide scale and underestimate the greed of PG&E. The decision was not how can we keep men down. The decision was, can we afford to fix this busted-ass equipment that could set the entire state on fire and potentially kill or displaced hundreds or thousands of people if we don't fix it, VERSUS, what if we just took that money and gave it to our CEO as a bonus for if/when we become state-owned (50 million) do some routine "check" on said equipment and then YEET let the motherfuckers burn.

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For those who don't know, the new mayor of San Francisco (who got into office when the relatively boring chinese mayor died suddenly) is a black, unmarried, childless ultra-progressive woman who grew up in the ghetto and has several siblings in jail.

What could go wrong?

And the PG&E debacle has barely begun. According to my friends who know a bit about PG&E, most of the experienced smart engineers are shopping their resumes to the other 49 states. They can get work anywhere. All the angry lefties in Northern California are looking for some capitalist pig to blame for the power going out -- never stopping to think that, by attacking PG&E, they are pretty much guaranteeing that the already-staggering and stumbling utlity is going to collapse even worse.

Smart people are out buying personal generators. Silicon Valley billionaires are actually installing entire private generation systems capable of supporting local neighbors with electricity and heating water. Nostrils distended, their brilliant minds attuned to the ethereal plane, the billionaires can smell a whiff of Atlas Shrugged in the air. Ah yes.

Remember, Northern California has been the richest fastest growing economic zone IN THE WORLD for 30 years straight. It's impossible to overstate how huge Silicon Valley is to the California economy. What an economic calamity it would be for the grid to fail. And it is failing.

Why is PG&E, the most important single point of failure in the biggest economy in the world, been allowed to reach this point? Because it's burdened by DECADES of bad regulatory decisions by the State energy commission -- one of the most relentlessly communistic groups, even by California standards. For decades they've been using the power grid as a giant piggy bank to fund every crazed left wing scam they could dream up. For example, using the rates to fund sprees into expensive solar power. Meanwhile refusing to fund basic maintenance.

Now the shit has truly and completely hit the fan. So Cal Edison is bad. PG&E is fuuuuuucked.

What's funny is, this won't affect the tech billionaires. They will just build little fusion reactors or something. But the poor and retired folk will be living in even more squalor. Or in this case, dying in squalor.

Socialism in it's full flower, on display in real time. Don't miss the show.
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(10-29-2019 11:43 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  For those who don't know, the new mayor of San Francisco (who got into office when the relatively boring chinese mayor died suddenly) is a black, unmarried, childless ultra-progressive woman who grew up in the ghetto and has several siblings in jail.

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Childless women past 30 are not pleasant to be around, and it gets worse with each year. She's 45 and an insane leftist. This broad is going to make San Francisco substantially worse than it already is. Her bitterness at the world must be on insane levels.
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(10-29-2019 11:43 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  For those who don't know, the new mayor of San Francisco (who got into office when the relatively boring chinese mayor died suddenly) is a black, unmarried, childless ultra-progressive woman who grew up in the ghetto and has several siblings in jail.

What could go wrong?

And the PG&E debacle has barely begun. According to my friends who know a bit about PG&E, most of the experienced smart engineers are shopping their resumes to the other 49 states. They can get work anywhere. All the angry lefties in Northern California are looking for some capitalist pig to blame for the power going out -- never stopping to think that, by attacking PG&E, they are pretty much guaranteeing that the already-staggering and stumbling utlity is going to collapse even worse.

Smart people are out buying personal generators. Silicon Valley billionaires are actually installing entire private generation systems capable of supporting local neighbors with electricity and heating water. Nostrils distended, their brilliant minds attuned to the ethereal plane, the billionaires can smell a whiff of Atlas Shrugged in the air. Ah yes.

Remember, Northern California has been the richest fastest growing economic zone IN THE WORLD for 30 years straight. It's impossible to overstate how huge Silicon Valley is to the California economy. What an economic calamity it would be for the grid to fail. And it is failing.

Why is PG&E, the most important single point of failure in the biggest economy in the world, been allowed to reach this point? Because it's burdened by DECADES of bad regulatory decisions by the State energy commission -- one of the most relentlessly communistic groups, even by California standards. For decades they've been using the power grid as a giant piggy bank to fund every crazed left wing scam they could dream up. For example, using the rates to fund sprees into expensive solar power. Meanwhile refusing to fund basic maintenance.

Now the shit has truly and completely hit the fan. So Cal Edison is bad. PG&E is fuuuuuucked.

What's funny is, this won't affect the tech billionaires. They will just build little fusion reactors or something. But the poor and retired folk will be living in even more squalor. Or in this case, dying in squalor.

Socialism in it's full flower, on display in real time. Don't miss the show.

Germany has the same funding of insane projects, but what they did there was simply raise the energy prices to average consumers by 100%+ over recent years. And they too despite being over-engineered are going to experience shortfalls - they have begun to silently restart coal plants.

South Africa had such an extreme disversity hiring policy that they fired all the competent mostly White engineers and replaced them with blokes with questionable credentials. Not surprisingly the entire grid is a shitshow that will become even worse in the future. That is soemthing that is yet to come for many US states.
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This guy makes some great vids about California:








He just had his youtube hacked and is missing some of his earlier work, but it's all good.








He does some great commentary.
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Pardon my ignorance, their (minor??) faults aside, they MUST be doing something right(at least economically) since they are the largest state economy in the US and the fifth largest worldwide.

No?
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(11-08-2019 01:29 PM)Regent Wrote:  Pardon my ignorance, their (minor??) faults aside, they MUST be doing something right(at least economically) since they are the largest state economy in the US and the fifth largest worldwide.

No?

Minor faults? You think the inability to keep the electricity on, the epidemic of drug addled homeless people who defecate at their pleasure on the streets of many of the large cities and the fact that half the state is ablaze, to name just a few things, is minor? Economically,the state may have a high GDP but after factoring the cost of living, the massive disparity between the tech haves and regular people have nots plus the high level of taxation and regulation, it's actual economic prowess is way overrated. Average people are finding it increasingly difficult to survive in California and whoever can leave is now leaving. Add to that the degenerate liberal culture and then the cherry of illegal immigration to the top of that shit sundae and you have a place that no sane person should aspire to live in.

But hey, the weather is nice and the women are awesome. Oh wait, on second thought, about the women in Cali...
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If you've ever lived there a decade or two ago, you would know that CA is in decline, culturally and socially. Economically, boomer and older Xer homeowners and most coastal college grads are doing OK, but the middle class is struggling, and the place is spiritually impoverished. Rural Mexican immigrants have taken over demographically, Hispanics will form the largest ethnicity within two decades.

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(11-08-2019 12:27 AM)Rigsby Wrote:  This guy makes some great vids about California:





He does some great commentary.

This is a huge pet peeve of mine, Americans reading and freaking out about no-go zones halfway around the world in places like Sweden, when urban inner city places in CA like W. Oakland, Richmond, Stockton, Fresno, Compton have been FAR WORSE for decades.

As bad as W. Europe is, it's nowhere near the kind of morbid urban circus that these places have been for decades.

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